Coda.app/Contents/Resources/Panic Sans.dfont
Seems like a nice font.
thomas Aylott — subtleGradient — CrazyEgg — sixteenColors
On 23 Apr 2007, at 22:14, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Coda.app/Contents/Resources/Panic Sans.dfont
Seems like a nice font.
I see the syntax highlighting gets confused by 'this' in a Javascript comment :)
http://www.panic.com/coda/img/sites-screenshot_03.jpg
On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Coda.app/Contents/Resources/Panic Sans.dfont
I didn't even realize it was a "Panic" font. Looks to my eyes like its actually Vera Sans Mono which I use myself within TextMate.
Yeah just compared the characters and its identical as far as I can tell.
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Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Coda.app/Contents/Resources/Panic Sans.dfont
I didn't even realize it was a "Panic" font. Looks to my eyes like its actually Vera Sans Mono which I use myself within TextMate.
Yeah just compared the characters and its identical as far as I can tell.
Yep. It's just Bitstream Vera Sans Mono.
Incidentally, anyone who plans on using such a font should use DejaVu Sans Mono (google it). It has many more glyphs, including things like ⌥⌘↑, and also Cyrillic/Greek/etc.
And it's F/OS, and constantly improving, etc. etc.
-Jacob
On Apr 23, 2007, at 6:00 PM, Jacob Rus wrote:
Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 2:14 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Coda.app/Contents/Resources/Panic Sans.dfont
I didn't even realize it was a "Panic" font. Looks to my eyes like its actually Vera Sans Mono which I use myself within TextMate. Yeah just compared the characters and its identical as far as I can tell.
Yep. It's just Bitstream Vera Sans Mono.
Incidentally, anyone who plans on using such a font should use DejaVu Sans Mono (google it). It has many more glyphs, including things like ⌥⌘↑, and also Cyrillic/Greek/etc.
And it's F/OS, and constantly improving, etc. etc.
-Jacob
Wow, that's a little disingenuous of them to distribute a find under their own name like that.
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Wow, that's a little disingenuous of them to distribute a find under their own name like that. I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
I would think that they must have licensed it in some form or another. I wouldn't think the Panic guys would be stupid enough to just steal it. But then I've been surprised by people/companies before.
Jamie
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On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
Sorry for the repeat.
Checking out Inconsolata and I can say my only real complaint is that the 0 character doesn't have any hint to distiquish it from an O beyond the difference in character width. I would guess thats an area of preference though it makes a big difference for me. Especially when reading someone else's code where I don't already know what was typed necessarily.
And the DejaVu variation of the Vera Sans fonts is great. I have actually been using it for quite some time now but I always forget until I look in the preferences and see it there. The '⌥⌘↑' type characters are an especially welcome addition for me.
Jamie
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Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
Checking out Inconsolata and I can say my only real complaint is that the 0 character doesn't have any hint to distiquish it from an O beyond the difference in character width. I would guess thats an area of preference though it makes a big difference for me. Especially when reading someone else's code where I don't already know what was typed necessarily.
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
On Apr 23, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Jacob Rus wrote:
Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
Checking out Inconsolata and I can say my only real complaint is that the 0 character doesn't have any hint to distiquish it from an O beyond the difference in character width. I would guess thats an area of preference though it makes a big difference for me. Especially when reading someone else's code where I don't already know what was typed necessarily.
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
Sometimes cute wins over sense. Just don't tell that to my Daughters :P
thomas Aylott — subtleGradient — CrazyEgg — sixteenColors
Thanks for mentioning this nice font! It's quite easy to modify its zero character, since its source code is available on its website. Once I compiled fontforge from fink, it took two minutes to add a dot (copied from the period and resized) to the zero.
http://www.levien.com/type/myfonts/inconsolata.html
Alex
On 23 Apr 2007, at 9:38 pm, Jacob Rus wrote:
Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
Checking out Inconsolata and I can say my only real complaint is that the 0 character doesn't have any hint to distiquish it from an O beyond the difference in character width. I would guess thats an area of preference though it makes a big difference for me. Especially when reading someone else's code where I don't already know what was typed necessarily.
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
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Jacob Rus wrote:
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
Actually, I hadn't looked super closely at Inconsolata before, other than noticing that it generally is clean. But it seems to have been created as a LaTeX font. Notably, it makes `' look halfway between '' and ‘’. I personally am not sure whether I really favor this approach.
But yeah, it prints nicely, and I imagine is particularly nice for printing LaTeX code.
-Jacob
On Apr 24 2007, at 02:38, Jacob Rus wrote:
Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
Checking out Inconsolata and I can say my only real complaint is that the 0 character doesn't have any hint to distiquish it from an O beyond the difference in character width. I would guess thats an area of preference though it makes a big difference for me. Especially when reading someone else's code where I don't already know what was typed necessarily.
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
Check out Consolas, which inspired Inconsolata. It can be downloaded here:
http://drnicwilliams.com/wp-content/uploads/ 2006/08/6_new_cleartype_fonts_longhorn.zip
Mark Eli Kalderon wrote:
On Apr 24 2007, at 02:38, Jacob Rus wrote:
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
Check out Consolas, which inspired Inconsolata. It can be downloaded here:
Um... Consolas and Inconsolata look nothing alike. One is blocky and gross, and the other is very elegant (I'm highly biased about these things).
On Apr 24 2007, at 04:47, Jacob Rus wrote:
Mark Eli Kalderon wrote:
On Apr 24 2007, at 02:38, Jacob Rus wrote:
Yeah, slashed (or dotted) 0 is a must for a code font. It's too bad because otherwise Inconsolata is great, especially printed.
Check out Consolas, which inspired Inconsolata. It can be downloaded here:
Um... Consolas and Inconsolata look nothing alike. One is blocky and gross, and the other is very elegant (I'm highly biased about these things).
Personal preferences aside, while Inconsolata is not a direct variant of Consolas the way that DejaVu is a variant of Bitstream, but, as Ralph Levien the designer of Inconsolata writes:
Inconsolata draws from many inspirations and sources. I was
particularly struck by the beauty of Luc(as) de Groot's Consolas, which is his monospaced design for Microsoft's upcoming Vista release.
The Bitstream Vera readme says thusly (http://www.gnome.org/fonts/):
The fonts have a generous copyright, allowing derivative works (as long as "Bitstream" or "Vera" are not in the names), and full redistribution (so long as they are not *sold* by themselves). They can be be bundled, redistributed and sold with any software.
And from the Coda help files:
Panic Sans Mono font based on the font Bitstream Vera, modified for improved small-size legibility on Mac OS X.
Copyright © 2007 by Panic, Inc. Copyright © 2003 by Bitstream, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Bitstream Vera is a trademark of Bitstream, Inc.
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Wow, that's a little disingenuous of them to distribute a find under their own name like that. I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
I would think that they must have licensed it in some form or another. I wouldn't think the Panic guys would be stupid enough to just steal it. But then I've been surprised by people/companies before.
Jamie
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Sorry, meant to also say, it looks like Panic is doing exactly what is being asked here:
* Panic Sans is a derivative work of Bitstream Vera Sans, so the font name must not use "Bitstream" or "Vera" in the font name. * The documentation includes copyright and trademark notice as required by the Bitstream Vera license.
Changing the font name is important for two reasons:
* it doesn't make use of trademarks held by Bitstream * it doesn't cause any conflicts with other fonts
-Brad
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Brad Choate wrote:
The Bitstream Vera readme says thusly (http://www.gnome.org/fonts/):
The fonts have a generous copyright, allowing derivative works (as long as "Bitstream" or "Vera" are not in the names), and full redistribution (so long as they are not *sold* by themselves). They can be be bundled, redistributed and sold with any software.
And from the Coda help files:
Panic Sans Mono font based on the font Bitstream Vera, modified for improved small-size legibility on Mac OS X.
Copyright © 2007 by Panic, Inc. Copyright © 2003 by Bitstream, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Bitstream Vera is a trademark of Bitstream, Inc.
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Wow, that's a little disingenuous of them to distribute a find under their own name like that. I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
I would think that they must have licensed it in some form or another. I wouldn't think the Panic guys would be stupid enough to just steal it. But then I've been surprised by people/ companies before.
Jamie
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Ok, then. Please allow me to completely backpeddle here and say that it's completely genuous :D
Dear Panic guys, I hereby humbly apologize for my idle statement. We love you!
thomas Aylott — subtleGradient — CrazyEgg — sixteenColors
On Apr 23, 2007, at 6:44 PM, Brad Choate wrote:
Sorry, meant to also say, it looks like Panic is doing exactly what is being asked here:
- Panic Sans is a derivative work of Bitstream Vera Sans, so the
font name must not use "Bitstream" or "Vera" in the font name.
- The documentation includes copyright and trademark notice as
required by the Bitstream Vera license.
Changing the font name is important for two reasons:
- it doesn't make use of trademarks held by Bitstream
- it doesn't cause any conflicts with other fonts
-Brad
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:30 PM, Brad Choate wrote:
The Bitstream Vera readme says thusly (http://www.gnome.org/fonts/):
The fonts have a generous copyright, allowing derivative works (as long as "Bitstream" or "Vera" are not in the names), and full redistribution (so long as they are not *sold* by themselves). They can be be bundled, redistributed and sold with any software.
And from the Coda help files:
Panic Sans Mono font based on the font Bitstream Vera, modified for improved small-size legibility on Mac OS X.
Copyright © 2007 by Panic, Inc. Copyright © 2003 by Bitstream, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Bitstream Vera is a trademark of Bitstream, Inc.
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Methnen (AKA Jamie) wrote:
On Apr 23, 2007, at 3:15 PM, Thomas Aylott (subtleGradient) wrote:
Wow, that's a little disingenuous of them to distribute a find under their own name like that. I'm digging Inconsolata these days anyway.
I would think that they must have licensed it in some form or another. I wouldn't think the Panic guys would be stupid enough to just steal it. But then I've been surprised by people/ companies before.
Jamie
Email: jamie@methnen.com Homepage: http://www.methnen.com
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"I want to find where the maid in the street is pouring her wine, I heard she takes you in and gives you the words you need said. If you'll be her brother, she'll kiss you like a sister. She'll even be your mother, for now." -Matt Slocum (Sister, Mother)
"And we are drowned." -Annie Dillard (Tickets For a Prayer Wheel) ____________________________________________________________________ ___
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