Le 3 oct. 07 à 18:19, Oliver Hagmann a écrit :

On 03.10.2007, at 17:51, Robin Houston wrote:

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On 03/10/2007, Khushru Khumbatta kuadka@web.de wrote:

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being a new TextMate user I want to install now a TeX/LaTex distribution. Yet there are so many of them. Which one works best with the LaTeX bundle of Textmate?

MacTeX-2007 is the nearest thing there is to a "standard" distribution at the moment, so I suggest you use that. It certainly works well with TextMate.

http://www.tug.org/mactex/

Robin

I can only confirm this. I just installed MacTex today and everything works like a charm. Prior to that, I installed it via MacPorts, which also kind of worked but the documents (meaning the fonts) look much better with MacTex (don't know exactly why, though).

I prefer gwTeX based on TL2007 with I-Installer. With MacTeX (certainly a good distribution and perhaps the only one in the future) , you can't make the choices that you want. A lot of things are installed, for example in my format i want only english and french hypenation. I can make that with I-installer but with macTeX...I don't know . You can easily with the mode expert ang I- installer to get something very special with languages, fonts, paper size etc....

The choice is between two distributions. I think a bad idea is to use fink or macport, except if you like the challenge.

Regards Alain

Le 3 oct. 07 à 20:12, Charilaos Skiadas a écrit :

On 03/10/2007, Khushru Khumbatta kuadka@web.de wrote:

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being a new TextMate user I want to install now a TeX/LaTex distribution. Yet there are so many of them. Which one works best with the LaTeX bundle of Textmate?

We recommend that you use MacTeX ➲ to install the necessary parts as it comes with a standard “no questions asked” installer.

As of this writing, the installer also takes care of updating your PATH variable (by modifying /etc/profile) so TextMate will be able to find the installed pdflatex. If you are using another distribution you may need to setup the path manually ⓘ .

I-installer set the path !

"being a new TextMate user" is different of "being a new TeX user"

If setting a PATH is not a problem, and if the user wants something special why not I-installer?

and why not the real TL2007 distribution ?

With MacTeX, is it easy now to add a font ? For example , with I- installer I have fourier directly. Is it the same with macTeX ?

Alain

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and why not the real TL2007 distribution ?

With MacTeX, is it easy now to add a font ? For example , with I- installer I have fourier directly. Is it the same with macTeX ?

I wasn't saying not to use other distributions, nor that i- installer does not set the path. I was merely quoting what the bundle help says.

yes I understand... and I recommended too for the beginners to follow the recommendations but MacTeX is a large download (740M) perhaps in the help, it's possible to speak about the method used by Oktay Acikalin : Basictex.dmg and mactex-additions.dmg

Regards Alain

Le 4 oct. 07 à 08:29, Allan Odgaard a écrit :

On 04/10/2007, at 00:01, Alain Matthes wrote:

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[...] yes I understand... and I recommended too for the beginners to follow the recommendations but MacTeX is a large download (740M) perhaps in the help, it's possible to speak about the method used by Oktay Acikalin : Basictex.dmg and mactex-additions.dmg

I am not aware of that distro. So how big a DL is that? and is it fully functional for basic stuff?

Definitely if this is enough to get people started with LaTeX (which that part of the bundle help is about) then we should recommend it instead, unless it has some clear disadvantageous.

Can you give the pros/cons of that distro, and maybe the pros of choosing one of the larger distros.

Basic is a piece of the big cake : MacTeX

http://www.tug.org/mactex/faq/startingover.html

" If all else fails ....

For those who have been unsuccessful in downloading a working MacTeX.dmg, Let me suggest that you get started as follows:

1) For these downloads, use Safari. We don't test with FireFox. I'm not saying it is the cause of your trouble, but it is best to eliminate all extraneous variables.

2) Go to http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/ and download BasicTeX.dmg. This will install a small subset of TeX Live on your system, but the small subset is remarkably capable, with TeX, LaTeX, pdfTeX, AMS-LaTeX, ConTeXt, XeTeX, etc. All of my documents typeset fine using it. The advantage is that this is a small download, about 39 MB, so this is a way to test without dealing with large downloads. These distributions are still quite complete and serviceable.

The smaller download may cause fewer problems. Download gwTeX (321MB) or

MacTeXAdditions.dmg (103MB).

Dick Koch koch (AT) math.uoregon.edu August 11, 2007

MacTeX-2007 requires Mac OS X 10.3 or higher."

It exists a good documentation : http://www.uoregon.edu/~koch/ BasicTeX.pdf

* BasicTeX (40.4 MB) is an experimental installation package for Mac OS X based on TeX Live 2007. Unlike gwTeX and MacTeX, this package is deliberately small. Yet it contains all of the standard tools needed to write TeX documents, including TeX, LaTeX, pdfTeX, MetaFont, dvips, ConTeXt, MetaPost, and XeTeX.

* Thus it is a subset of the full TeX Live with exactly the TeX Live directory structure and con guration scripts. So it would be easy for users to upgrade to the full TeX Live over the network, and it would be easy for the MacTeX group to o er small upgrade packages on their web site if users complain of missing pieces.

*The BasicTeX package contains the original computer modern fonts (in Adobe type one format) and new Latin Modern fonts by Boguslaw Jackowski and Janusz M. Nowacki for European users. The creation of these very compact outline fonts is a relatively new development. BasicTeX also contains the babel and inputenc packages for dealing with these European characters. One of our fears has been that we would not be able to support European users with such a small package, but the Latin Modern package makes this support possi- ble.

* BasicTeX installs :

/usr/local/texlive/2007basic the actual TeX distribution /usr/local/bin/texdist a symbolic link to /Library/TeX/.scripts/texdist /usr/texbin a symbolic link to the active distribution's binaries /Library/TeX the TeX distribution structure, mainly symbolic links /Library/PreferencePanes contains the TeXDistPrefPane preference pane

and installs pdfsync and revtex because testers requested them, and we add the following European hyphenation packages: hyphen-basque, hyphen-danish, hyphen- dutch, hyphen- nnish, hyphen-french, hyphen-german, hyphen-hungarian, hyphen- italian, hyphen-norwe gian, hyphen-polish, hyphen-portuguese, hyphen-spanish, hyphen- swedish, and hyphen- ukenglish.

%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% %%%%%%%%%%%%% The only problem is : how to complete BasicTeX in a full MacTeX, properly. I ask the question in the OSX TEX list today !

Regards Alain

PS

To finish about this problem about distribution what an "expert" wants to updates for example Ghostscript :

"Updates to the full MacTeX install packages will be available on an irregular basis on this page; these updates will be clearly marked with a new release date. In between releases of the TeXLive DVD from TUG, updates to Ghostscript, ImageMagick, and the Font Utilities may be made using Gerben Wierda's i-Installer tool.

Updates to the other programs (b) may be done via their local websites."

Le 4 oct. 07 à 00:28, Dr. Drang a écrit :

On Oct 3, 2007, at 1:59 PM, Alain Matthes wrote:

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With MacTeX, is it easy now to add a font ? For example , with I- installer I have fourier directly. Is it the same with macTeX ?

MacTeX comes with the Fourier font and the fourier.sty LaTeX package, so you don't need to do anything to use them.

I just switched from an older version of gwtex (installed via i- Installer) to MacTex, and I have a few nonstandard fonts in my ~/ Library/texmf tree. Getting them to work with MacTex required three steps:

1. Move the .map files to the new standard location, ~/Library/

texmf/fonts/map/dvips/misc/ 2. For each font, add a line that looks like "Map fname.map" to ~/.texlive2007/texmf-config/web2c/updmap.cfg 3. Run "sudo updmap"

It is not obvious there are two ways

1) sudo updmap --enable Map=fname.map

2) better (updmap creates file and folder in your home tree)

sudo updmap-sys --syncwithtrees sudo updmap-sys --enable Map=fname.map

From Herbert Schultz :

"ALWAYS use the -sys versions of the commands (e.g., updmap-sys, not updmap). Gerben's gwTeX, traditionally made the two commands synonyms but you should get into good habits in case you go over to a gwTeX that isn't configured that way or MacTeX. The -sys versions of the commands try to put the map files, etc., in the proper place in the system TeX trees (texmf.local in gwTeX) while the non-sys version will write to your personal texmf tree---this has lead to tons of problems when trying to diagnose problems as you can see."

And here you see some differences between macTeX and gwTeX

Regards Alain