You know what's an alternative to TM2? TM1. Seriously, I've sat back and read each and every post in this epic thread, read all the alternative suggestions and how they pale in comparison to TM1 (and they do) and the obvious point keeps being missed… Why are you looking for an alternative to something that does what you want in the first place? Yes, yes, news of TM2 would all make us feel like we're not using abandonware (though maintenance releases do that too) but the reality is for as long as TM1 works on whatever OS Apple throws at us then I am happy to continue using TM1. I've been using TextMate for what… 5 years give or take? I got my money's worth, Allan owes me nothing. And if TM1 stopped working tomorrow I'd feel hard pressed to knock on Allan's door and demand he do something about it. I'd move on. It would suck to do so but Allan is not some corporation that will live on with or without him (yes technically MacroMates is but I suspect his pride would stop him from letting that go); if Allan is gone, so too is TextMate, so be it. I am excited to see what TM2 has to offer but until then TM1 has no challengers to temp me to leave. My customer satisfaction hinges on this version working, the version I paid for, not whether it's developer keeps me updated on what they're doing on the next version. And let's face it, if Duke Nukem Forever can finally post a release date (June 24) then there is hope yet for TextMate 2. Adam Merrifield On Apr 26, 2011, at 8:29 PM, Watts Martin wrote:

Justin Catterall wrote: alternative to Because TextMate doesn't do everything that I want. I'll spare everyone from the bullet point list, but there are things (IMO) that other editors do better. There are also things that TM does better. The question is where the tipping point is, and that's a personal choice. Someone else here put this better than I'm about to rephrase it, but most people on this list don't *want* to switch away from TextMate. What we want is for TextMate to keep evolving with us. Editors like Vim and Emacs and BBEdit have stayed in widespread use because they *do* evolve. But if TextMate stays in one place and other editors don't, then for more and more people the tipping point is going to go in the other direction. And frankly, ongoing support for a text editor matters in a way that ongoing support for Duke Nukem doesn't. No, TextMate users aren't entitled to anything other than the program we paid for. We get that (or at least most of us do). But "is this program still an ongoing concern" matters. Not because we imagine that TextMate 1.x will suddenly stop working--goodness knows you can keep using programs long after they're theoretically obsolete--but because some of those editors that do things that TextMate doesn't do may, in future releases, also start doing what TextMate does that keeps us using it. And if by that point TextMate hasn't started doing what *they* do, then we have to evaluate whether the tipping point has moved. I understand there's an argument to be made for not talking about the competition on the TextMate list, and if that raises people's hackles, I'm sorry. But look at it this way: if we understand what it is that *is* attractive about some of the other players, then maybe TextMate will, through future releases or bundles, move in those directions. -- Watts Martin <layotl(a)gmail.com>

Justin Catterall said: "I didn't write that." ...you sure didn't! Sorry about that. (I think I must have replied to a message with that quote extract in it, rather than the original.)

I'm not sure why Allan doesn't want us to see TM2 when it's complete enough to be dogfooded. After 2-3 OS cycles worth of development by a very capable developer, I can't imagine that it's in a very raw state... On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Merrifield Adam <macagp(a)gmail.com> wrote:

Hi, I've hesitated to jump in to what should be a non-discussion; however, I think the meta-issue here - which is one of civility - is of great importance. A question was asked: i.e., would Allan please provide an honest assessment of TM2's state? The question was asked of Allan, not of anyone else. It was asked in a respectful fashion. Though it was a question of Allan it was asked in a public forum; however, that was appropriate in this case as the answer to the question is of broad and general interest. In summary, I see nothing wrong with the question itself, or how it was asked, or where it was asked. Some of the responses have, on the other hand, been --- to my mind --- quite inappropriate. Those fall into a couple of categories: * Some have questioned the propriety of asking the question. Indeed, some have questioned the propriety of asking any question at all. * Some have questioned why anyone would care what the answer was. * Some have suggested that wanting more than what exists is (somehow) beyond the natural order of things. * Some have been just plane rude. There should be no question at all about the propriety of asking a civil question in a civil fashion. Gerd should not be called on the carpet for asking the question, nor should he be asked to explain or defend himself, or "justify" his need to ask the question. Similarly, Allan can choose to respond publicly, or privately, or via a proxy, or not at all. His choice. It seems to me that's enough: i.e., there is no need for anyone else to chime in unless they can provide something helpful or relevant. Anything more - in particular, responses that castigate Gerd or Allan - don't advance anyone's interest: not Gerd's, not Allan's, and certainly not the interest of TextMate or the TextMate community. So, I conclude with a plea: let's all try to make our contributions to this discussion, and all discussions we take part in - online or offline, remotely or in person - positive and constructive. Sam On Apr 27, 2011, at 11:23 AM, Justin Catterall wrote: -- Lee Samuel Finn Professor, Dept Physics; Dept Astronomy & Astrophysics The Pennsylvania State University 104 Davey Laboratory University Park, PA 16802

Everyone is failing to miss a major selling point here. By NOT having Textmate 2 you essentially have a macguffin in your own personal life to blame essentially all of your failures on. Can't meet your deadline? Wouldn't have happened if you had TM2. Productivity Issues? Wouldn't have happened if you had TM2. Dog leave a puddle of sick in your living room? Wouldn't have happened if you had TM2. Offended someone on a mailing list made you sad? Wouldn't have happened if you had TM2. I think the developer is doing you all a favor! On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 5:35 PM, Jerry <lanceboyle(a)qwest.net> wrote:

TM2 has to be developed using TM2. Sent from my iPad On Apr 27, 2011, at 9:49 PM, Adam Merrifield <macagp(a)gmail.com> wrote: