Had another go at the tab thing tonight, trying to get it a little more
"aqua"... The result is attached.
Both Allan and myself have pretty much turned down the idea. Whilst I
think they look great, they're a little too small, and the X and dot
don't stand out enough... I'd probably have to start again with a new
(slightly larger) "red ball" (this one was borrowed from OmniWeb).
But these flat crosses are becoming a little bit of a de-facto OSX
standard in one form or another -- most tabbed apps are using them, so
I figure there's no need to rock the boat.
We're also ummming and ahhhhing about coloring the selected tab from
white to something else (like an Aqua blue), but my preference is
definitely white.
For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected
tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does have
some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's black)
which are a not exactly simple to work around. One day maybe :)
Justin
With regards to Allans comment about the window splitting, this would
be great as I have a couple of guys who won't move from JEdit because
of this one feature. They are doing PHP, XHTML and CSS.
Keep up the good work, this is turning out to be a cracking little
editor.
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> 1. Re: Window splitting? (Allan Odgaard)
> 2. Re: Shift Left, Shift Right (jeremy*pinnix)
> 3. Re: Left Padding (Allan Odgaard)
> 4. Leave the tabs as they were (James Hill)
> 5. Show Web Preview... options ( Jos? Campos )
> 6. Re: Re: folding idea (Ivan Pan)
> 7. Re: TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues (Allan Odgaard)
> 8. Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (Andrew Green)
> 9. Re: Couple little gnats (Phil Aaronson)
> 10. Re: suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets (Raena Armitage)
> 11. Re: b7 project drawer visuals (jeremy*pinnix)
>
> From: Allan Odgaard <allan(a)macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:19:49 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>, Ivan Pan
> <ifanpan(a)gmail.com>
> Cc: Subject: Re: [TextMate] Window splitting?
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:47, Ivan Pan wrote:
>
>> Just a suggestion. Maybe lay out a roadmap or a check list, so we
>> won't keep nagging you about something that's already in the work.
>
> I have considered that, but I fear that it may actually lead to the
> opposite situation, also I really cannot make any estimates to when
> what will happen -- people should consider, “is this a common editor
> feature?” if the answer is yes, most likely I know about it and
> eventually plan to get around to it ;)
>
> For now there is the feature requests in the wiki -- I do read these,
> but currently do not comment on when what is planned.
>
>> It's already a great text editor and certainly an editor that would
>> make BBEdit worry. Keep up the good work.
>
> That's another reason, don't want to give them too much insight in
> planned features, as some stuff is sort of "new" :)
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jeremy*pinnix <jpinnix(a)pixelgrazer.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:22:50 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Shift Left, Shift Right
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> Option-Tab for shifting to the right
> Shift-Option-Tab for shifting to the left
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>
>> Ok, there is one nagging problem I've been having that no one has
>> seemed to bring up yet. What is the arrow symbol (for Shift Left and
>> Shift Right) equivalent to on my powerbook? I've checked the Mac help
>> and the symbol isn't even listed in it's Special Key guide. I've
>> attached a screenshot of the help page, as you can see it's not
>> there. I've tried every combination of keys that I can think of, but
>> nothing works. I have to resort to choosing it from the menu.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> From: Allan Odgaard <allan(a)macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:23:57 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Left Padding
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:01, Michael Sheets wrote:
>
>>> There already is 2 pixels?!?
>> Sorry, I meant 2-3 more, not total. If the small padding is so good
>> why is there more on the top? ;)
>
> That's a bug! ;)
>
> Well, I think I initially did 6 pixels on each of the sides, but when
> I added gutter-stuff, I made it 2 pixels between folding-markers and
> end of gutter (and/or line numbers etc.), so I removed some to make it
> symmetrical.
>
> I don't like too much padding, e.g. NSTextView seems to be using 1.5
> times the width of a character or so, and that makes it hard for me to
> see how much stuff is indented.
>
> But I can probably be persuaded to add two more pixels.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Hill <jamie(a)soniciq.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:28:19 BST
> To: textmate(a)lists.macromates.com
> Subject: [TextMate] Leave the tabs as they were
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> I thing the tabs should be as they were in the first release. Clean
> and just fine. Too many programs today end up with fancy bevels etc
> all over the place. Keep it clean and lightweight I say.
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 19:18, textmate-request(a)lists.macromates.com wrote:
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>> 1. Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (C J Silverio)
>>
>> From: C J Silverio <ceej(a)spies.com>
>> Date: 18 October 2004 19:08:57 BST
>> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
>> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:
>>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the
>>> selected tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and
>>> it does have some issues in regards to the colour of the document
>>> (eg Ruby's black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
>>> One day maybe :)
>>
>> You might find something to use in Camino's take:
>> <CaminoSnap001.png>
>>
>> The selected tab bleeds into a stripe that goes across the window,
>> but is still separate from the document display. This helps indicate
>> "this tab is live", but doesn't war with the rendered page.
>>
>> --ceej
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> From: jose.campos+tm(a)galacsys.com (José Campos)
> Date: 18 October 2004 16:44:07 BST
> To: textmate(a)lists.macromates.com (TM Users)
> Subject: [TextMate] Show Web Preview... options
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> "Show Web Preview" is very nice but...
>
> + on a computer where PHP is enabled,
> + for files that are located somewhere in the ~/Sites/ folder,
> + instead of opening them as :
> "file:///Users/jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
> + it would be nicer to open them as :
> "http://127.0.0.1/~jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
>
> ...so that the PHP code could be fully seen
>
> Have a nice day,
>
> --
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>
> From: Ivan Pan <ifanpan(a)gmail.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 15:34:56 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
> Reply-To: Ivan Pan <ifanpan(a)gmail.com>, TM Users
> <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:51:11 +0100, Chris Jenkins
> <chrisjenkins(a)mac.com> wrote:
>> Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of
>> hierarchy
>> and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the
>> gutter (I
>> changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some
>> way also
>> be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as
>> a way
>> of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket
>> over
>> long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.
>
> 1. tab icons: more visually intuitive that what we have, though I am
> fine with what we have.
> 2. connector's subbranch: I like the idea to have multiple folding
> markers within the same indentation.
> 3. explicit folding markers: I want to be able to clear some of the
> markers in the gutter by manually setting the marking. I sometimes
> have too many markers together.
>
> ip
>
>
>
>
> From: Allan Odgaard <allan(a)macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:44:00 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Mats Persson wrote:
>
>> When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre
>> the current line where the cursor happens to be. Although I can't
>> swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but
>> now I do, and it is a bit irritating.
>
> It has always been the case ;) I realize that not all like it, since
> some e.g. scroll w/o moving the caret. It'll be improved down the
> road.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Green <andrew(a)article7.co.uk>
> Date: 18 October 2004 14:32:23 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected
>> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does
>> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's
>> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
>
> I think the reason this seems necessary is the way that the tabs adjoin
> the document area. You'll notice that Safari puts the tabs the other
> way up, so that they adjoin the toolbar instead.
>
> Admittedly, TM doesn't have a toolbar, but I do wonder if the tabs
> would work the other way up anyway, adjoining the window title bar
> rather than the document area. Sadly, no mockup is forthcoming from me
> on this!
>
> It could be a really bad idea, of course. I'm just wondering.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
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> ::
> article seven Andrew Green
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>
>
>
>
> From: Phil Aaronson <phil(a)hinkty.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:53:30 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Jeroen wrote:
>
>> Phil Aaronson wrote:
>>> Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't
>>> exist in a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a
>>> BBEdit user which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold
>>> some text in vim, say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the
>>> cursor. Undo ('u') undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to
>>> expect.
>>
>> You're right, I thought Vim did not put folding on the undo stack,
>> but it does indeed.
>
> For the record, in vim, undo also undoes text selection.
>
>> However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack,
>> simply because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.
>
> I'm getting that impression :) Not that this is a big deal, but most
> apps I use seem to break it down along command vs. setting line, not
> content vs. representation of content. That said a command vs. setting
> undo is a little more difficult line to walk with TextMate than a lot
> of other apps.
>
>> And word processors != text editors, there's a world of difference
>> between them.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Raena Armitage <raena(a)raena.net>
> Date: 18 October 2004 16:57:22 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 8:28 pm, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>> Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's
>> something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)
>>
>> Though I'm still not entirely sure how to do it.
>
> Outline view would make the most sense to me as a user.
>
> José Campos adds:
>> Drawers, just like the project drawer would be nice, just add
>> radio-buttons in the tab bar to select which drawer to open
>> (Project-Command-Macros-Snippets-Clipboard history-Templates)
>
> ...that's a lot of things, and I personally wouldn't feel that the
> project area (where documents live) is an appropriate place to also
> find bundly things -- although I wouldn't find it strange to find
> templates there.
>
> Perhaps the contextual menu could accommodate something, though?
> Currently it has 'Filter through Command,' but perhaps some oft-used
> snippets wouldn't go astray here?
>
>
>
>
> From: jeremy*pinnix <jpinnix(a)pixelgrazer.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 14:26:39 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> I would also prefer they not be bold. The folder icon is sufficient.
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Johan Sörensen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know I'm being anal about this, but then again I am a mac user, but
>> I'm not really sure I like the bold for the folders in the
>> projectdrawer. They are already plenty visually marked with the
>> standard mac os folder icon, no need to bold up the text, in fact,
>> this is probably the first application where I've seen this (afaik).
>> I'm also not too sure about the file-texts being ~80% black, but that
>> I can live with, it's just the boldness of the folders that's a little
>> too much!
>>
>> If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by
>> it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with
>> a defaults write)
>>
>> -- johan
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> The CSS validator uses a different form variable and a different URL.
> This seems to work (Gmail is going to break this up into multiple
> lines ... be sure it's all one line in TextMate):
>
> curl -o /tmp/`id -u`/results.html -F file=@$TM_FILEPATH
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator && open /tmp/`id
> -u`/results.html
OK, very nice, it works fine :)
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Hi All,
Just a couple little usability gnats (beta 6):
1. Cutting and pasting of code pretty much always doubles the indent.
Which drives us newbies to drink for a while until we finally discover
the indent paste behavior that you can set. Does anyone have this on?
Seems like turning it off would make the better default behavior. It
would have saved me several days of swearing under my breath each time
:)
2. I noticed that the code folding actions are not in the undo stack.
Sort of a bummer. I've caught myself trying to undo a fold only to have
some change I made previous to that be undone.
Thanks,
Phil
What shortcut does a circled question mark point to? I haven't
encountered it before.. I could redefine it, but I'm just curious :-)
It shows up with the search commands
Hiding then showing the status bar can move the insertion cursor off
the bottom of the displayed document.
To reproduce:
Scroll to the end of a document, put the insertion cursor at the of a
document.
Hide Status Bar
Show Status bar
I guess it depends on where you want the status bar to 'steal its
display space. I would think you would want to avoid moving the
document which you currently do. That means 'stealing' from the top of
the display (suggested new behavior and the inverse of of what Hide
Status Bar does)). However, if the cursor is in the region to be
stolen, you should probably push it down (current behavior).
This is a just a little tip for folks who run their life in TextMate
(as I have begun to).
I have a single TextMate project in which I keep and maintain all my
todo lists, project files, reference notes, etc. I'm a bit of a
"[Getting Things Done][1]" nerd, so I admit to spending a lot of time
fiddling around with lists. :)
I've evolved a standard header that I use for most of my txt documents
that is similar to this example from my "Next Actions" (aka "to-do")
list :
## Next Actions
* _file_: "next.txt"
* _purpose_: list of next actions needed for projects
* _meta_: todo, next actions, task
Nothing too spectacular, but the little metadata line has really
started to come in handy; I now can do a "`Find in Project`" on all my
files and pick up any relevant hits--even when the term is not
expressly mentioned in a given line of text. It's a great way to bubble
up hidden content--even when it's many layers deep in the Finder.
The other, related tip, which I've mentioned before on [my site][2] is
to try and standardize your vocabulary for TODOs or anything else
you'll want to locate in a pile. I try to begin all of my TODOs with a
verb followed by a fairly detailed phrase. E.g. :
Buy propane at Albertson's
Google the best way to run DynDNS on a Linksys; how to retain links?
Email John about his site updates for Friday
This becomes really useful for GREPing a list of related topics and
even generating a new one.
TextMate has really made me want to hone my modest shell skills to
learn what it can do, because it seems pretty limitless. I'm just
starting to install a few commands that will concatenate related files
and generate these kinds of searches on the fly. I'd love to hear how
other folks are using TM and the shell for tasks outside development,
web design, etc. There's an awful of of power under that hood.
Best,
mm
[1]: http://davidco.com (David Allen Site: Home of GTD, etc.)
[2]: http://43folders.com (OS X and productivity stuff)
Out of idle curiosity (and because I use subversion a lot), how far down
the list is the proposed svn integration?
I know it's early days so I'm not nagging for it already, but I just
wondered ;)
drew.
Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of hierarchy
and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the gutter (I
changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some way also
be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as a way
of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket over
long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.
Anyone got any other ideas?
Chris
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Hi Allan,
Not sure this is a bug or some hidden feature, so therefore the posting
here.
Just played with b7 for a few seconds, and love the improvements
overall, but found this irritation:
When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre
the current line where the cursor happens to be. Although I can't
swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but now
I do, and it is a bit irritating.
Is there some setting hidden away somewhere or just one of those things
that will be changed in b8 ??
Hope I made myself clear ??
Kind regards,
Mats
