Hi,
I've happily used textmate for about 2 years now and I love it -- thank you macromates for a great tool.
Last night in the middle of a work session the font rendering of textmate suddenly degraded. It now looks like this: (I use QuickType mono)
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7d959429cb.gif
This is what it looked like before, more or less, and still looks like in textedit (but without syntax coloring of course:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?42baf8bee8.gif
Has anyone encountered this issue before? What things can I try to get back to normal?
All fonts are affected, not just QuickType mono
1. Running 10.5 on a macbook pro
2. Happened during a time machine backup. I mention this because I had problems with ATS server and the font caches while getting Time machine backups working, where ats would start consuming a whole core for hours and have to be killed. This was a week ago, and that problem seemed to go away after deleting all Cache folders, turning off spotlight indexing & backing up of Cache folders etc.
3. I've already deleted the ATS caches & rebooted as per the wiki page
I'm in a bit of a panic -- have a lot of work to do in two projects and doing it with my most important productivity tool crippled is a terrifying prospect :/
(I'm sure there are going to be people who don't think the first text is much harder to read than the second, but it is for me and the font rendering is one of the top 5 reasons I use a mac, so this is not intended to open that whole discussion. I just want to know how to get back what I'm used to looking at 8 hours a day :))
Cheers,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
Perhaps Anti Aliasing is off? It’s a checkbox at the bottom of the Fonts & Colors section in the Preferences.
On 14 Dec 2007, at 15:28, Michael Johnston wrote:
Hi,
I've happily used textmate for about 2 years now and I love it -- thank you macromates for a great tool.
Last night in the middle of a work session the font rendering of textmate suddenly degraded. It now looks like this: (I use QuickType mono)
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7d959429cb.gif
This is what it looked like before, more or less, and still looks like in textedit (but without syntax coloring of course:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?42baf8bee8.gif
Has anyone encountered this issue before? What things can I try to get back to normal?
All fonts are affected, not just QuickType mono
Running 10.5 on a macbook pro
Happened during a time machine backup. I mention this because I
had problems with ATS server and the font caches while getting Time machine backups working, where ats would start consuming a whole core for hours and have to be killed. This was a week ago, and that problem seemed to go away after deleting all Cache folders, turning off spotlight indexing & backing up of Cache folders etc.
- I've already deleted the ATS caches & rebooted as per the wiki page
I'm in a bit of a panic -- have a lot of work to do in two projects and doing it with my most important productivity tool crippled is a terrifying prospect :/
(I'm sure there are going to be people who don't think the first text is much harder to read than the second, but it is for me and the font rendering is one of the top 5 reasons I use a mac, so this is not intended to open that whole discussion. I just want to know how to get back what I'm used to looking at 8 hours a day :))
Cheers,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
For new threads USE THIS: textmate@lists.macromates.com (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
Last night in the middle of a work session the font rendering of textmate suddenly degraded. It now looks like this: (I use QuickType mono)
Go into Preferences - > fonts and colours and make sure that "anti- alias" has a checkmark in the box. I think that should get you back to where you want to be.
j.
Thanks, but anti-aliasing IS turned on.
The image I posted is not a lo-fi gif of non-anti-aliased text, but is virtually exactly what I see on the screen.
One interesting thing is that turning anti-aliasing OFF changes the font-rendering to match the metrics (ie, the lines become the same length) though not of course the look of the textedit example.
(sorry about threading, I accidentally had digest mode turned on for this list)
Cheerio,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
Here's an observation I made:
When I zoom in on the b+w screenshot with Ctrl+mwheel, I can see the artifacts of sub-pixel anti-aliasing (i.e. weird colored pixels in otherwise white text). When I do the same for white text in the colored screen shot, those artifacts are no longer there - it's just standard anti-aliasing.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what this means but hopefully it give someone else a clue to the problem.
Good luck, Ian Potter
On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Michael Johnston wrote:
Thanks, but anti-aliasing IS turned on.
The image I posted is not a lo-fi gif of non-anti-aliased text, but is virtually exactly what I see on the screen.
One interesting thing is that turning anti-aliasing OFF changes the font-rendering to match the metrics (ie, the lines become the same length) though not of course the look of the textedit example.
(sorry about threading, I accidentally had digest mode turned on for this list)
Cheerio,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
For new threads USE THIS: textmate@lists.macromates.com (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
The problem, whatever it is has now "infected" TextEdit. I think this is a Leopard problem.
QuickType mono now looks the same in TextEdit as it does in Textmate.
The only thing I've done is to quit & relaunch TextEdit.
I'd think I was going crazy if I didn't have the screen capture to prove what it used to look like.
Cheerio,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
On 14-Dec-07, at 2:35 PM, Ian Potter wrote:
Here's an observation I made:
When I zoom in on the b+w screenshot with Ctrl+mwheel, I can see the artifacts of sub-pixel anti-aliasing (i.e. weird colored pixels in otherwise white text). When I do the same for white text in the colored screen shot, those artifacts are no longer there - it's just standard anti-aliasing.
Unfortunately, I have no idea what this means but hopefully it give someone else a clue to the problem.
Good luck, Ian Potter
On Dec 14, 2007, at 4:55 PM, Michael Johnston wrote:
Thanks, but anti-aliasing IS turned on.
The image I posted is not a lo-fi gif of non-anti-aliased text, but is virtually exactly what I see on the screen.
One interesting thing is that turning anti-aliasing OFF changes the font-rendering to match the metrics (ie, the lines become the same length) though not of course the look of the textedit example.
(sorry about threading, I accidentally had digest mode turned on for this list)
Cheerio,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
For new threads USE THIS: textmate@lists.macromates.com (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
For new threads USE THIS: textmate@lists.macromates.com (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
On 14 Dec 2007, at 22:44, Michael Johnston wrote:
The problem, whatever it is has now "infected" TextEdit. I think this is a Leopard problem.
QuickType mono now looks the same in TextEdit as it does in Textmate.
The only thing I've done is to quit & relaunch TextEdit.
I'd think I was going crazy if I didn't have the screen capture to prove what it used to look like.
is your anti-aliasing set to best for flat panel? (in appearance in System Prefs.)
is font-smoothing turned off for smaller than your font-size?
if you reboot, does this make everything lose sub-pixel anti-aliasing (medium)?
if you tick and untick anti-alias in TextMate can you see a difference?
;)
Thanks, the system prefs were the key to the problem.
Everything is back to normal now, after changing the font smoothing to best for flat panel. (it was on automatic)
It seems like leopard suddenly forgot that my screens were flat panels. After running for 3 weeks & several restarts. Strange.
QuickType Mono now looks like it used to in TextMate! Hooray.
What I don't understand is why TextEdit still used sub-pixel rendering the first time it was launched after a font cache clear and reboot, but not the second time. That is odd.
Cheerio,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
On 14-Dec-07, at 2:58 PM, Tony Crockford wrote:
On 14 Dec 2007, at 22:44, Michael Johnston wrote:
The problem, whatever it is has now "infected" TextEdit. I think this is a Leopard problem.
QuickType mono now looks the same in TextEdit as it does in Textmate.
The only thing I've done is to quit & relaunch TextEdit.
I'd think I was going crazy if I didn't have the screen capture to prove what it used to look like.
is your anti-aliasing set to best for flat panel? (in appearance in System Prefs.)
is font-smoothing turned off for smaller than your font-size?
if you reboot, does this make everything lose sub-pixel anti- aliasing (medium)?
if you tick and untick anti-alias in TextMate can you see a difference?
;)
For new threads USE THIS: textmate@lists.macromates.com (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
Michael,
Did you do an upgrade install of 10.5? I saw the behavior you are describing until I reinstalled 10.5 using archive and install. In my case I had two different external monitors that I use with my mac book pro. The problem seemed to always start when I was using the LCD screen in my office. Plugging in the LCD at home and rebooting almost always fixed the problem. :-(
I haven't seen the problem with either since I did archive & install, and I have also upgraded to 10.5.1
Brad
On Dec 14, 2007, at 3:28 PM, Michael Johnston wrote:
Hi,
I've happily used textmate for about 2 years now and I love it -- thank you macromates for a great tool.
Last night in the middle of a work session the font rendering of textmate suddenly degraded. It now looks like this: (I use QuickType mono)
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?7d959429cb.gif
This is what it looked like before, more or less, and still looks like in textedit (but without syntax coloring of course:
http://img2.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?42baf8bee8.gif
Has anyone encountered this issue before? What things can I try to get back to normal?
All fonts are affected, not just QuickType mono
Running 10.5 on a macbook pro
Happened during a time machine backup. I mention this because I
had problems with ATS server and the font caches while getting Time machine backups working, where ats would start consuming a whole core for hours and have to be killed. This was a week ago, and that problem seemed to go away after deleting all Cache folders, turning off spotlight indexing & backing up of Cache folders etc.
- I've already deleted the ATS caches & rebooted as per the wiki page
I'm in a bit of a panic -- have a lot of work to do in two projects and doing it with my most important productivity tool crippled is a terrifying prospect :/
(I'm sure there are going to be people who don't think the first text is much harder to read than the second, but it is for me and the font rendering is one of the top 5 reasons I use a mac, so this is not intended to open that whole discussion. I just want to know how to get back what I'm used to looking at 8 hours a day :))
Cheers,
Michael Johnston lastobelus@mac.com
For new threads USE THIS: textmate@lists.macromates.com (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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