Le 6 juil. 06 à 23:15, Ollivier Robert a écrit :

According to Alain Matthes:

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A new site (version beta for the site and the files latex)

http://altermundus.com/ .html, .tex, .sty .cls only with textmate

Now, if only you could get rid of that awful excuse of a font (that is, MS Comic Sans), it would be even better.

http://bancomicsans.com/home.html

a.css :

font-family: "Comic sans MS", Loma, FreeSans, "Nimbus Sans L", verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;

1) i like this font

2) If you have this font on your mac, and if you don't like it, you make a mistake !!

3) You don't have this font and in this case, no problem for you !!!

J'ai posé la question à de nombreux linuxiens qui n'ont pas été dérangés par mon choix de fontes mais je veux bien des conseils car je me suis posé de nombreuses questions pour faire quelque chose de compatible os X, linux et win car beaucoup d'enseignants se servent encore malheureusement de win pour bosser sur leur pc.

Cordialement Alain Matthes

According to Alain Matthes:

font-family: "Comic sans MS", Loma, FreeSans, "Nimbus Sans L", verdana, arial, helvetica, sans-serif;

1. i like this font

That's a good reason to use it but as your site is meant to be read, you may want to choose a font more suited to reading (which MS Comic Sans, being a /comic/ -- the author's own words -- font, is definitely not).

2. If you have this font on your mac, and if you don't like it, you

make a mistake !!

No, Apple choose to include it in OS X and I choose not to delete any system font.

J'ai posé la question à de nombreux linuxiens qui n'ont pas été dérangés par mon choix de fontes mais je veux bien des conseils car je me suis posé de nombreuses questions pour faire quelque chose de compatible os X, linux et win car beaucoup d'enseignants se servent encore malheureusement de win pour bosser sur leur pc.

[I will stay in English, sorry Alain]

If you want something that is available on all platforms _and_ stay readable, pick a font that is not a comic one like Arial/Helvetica (for sans serif) or Times New Roman (as boring this font can be) as a serif one.

Equivalent exist for all of these for Linux/FreeBSD.

Setting aside personal preferences, any comic font is unsuited for anything else than headings as they are generally harder on the eyes for reading for any long period of time.

Typography generally advise on using serif fonts for plain text and sans serif ones for headings. It is less of an issue for online reading (and I'm using Trebuchet MS myself for page bodies) IMHO.

See my own site http://new.keltia.net/ for a very plain HTML site but one I consider quite readable IMVHO.

But as we say in French

Chacun ses goûts

:-)

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The jumping movement is known as a saccade. (I knew the cognitive neuroscience class would come in handy one day!) On Jul 7, 2006, at 12:00 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

On 6/7/2006, at 23:58, Ollivier Robert wrote:

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[...] Typography generally advise on using serif fonts for plain text and sans serif ones for headings. It is less of an issue for online reading [...]

Reading happens by “jumping” from place to place on the line (I believe there is a technical term for these movements) and the eye will fixate shortly on each location visited (sometimes a regressing will happen.) I.e. it’s not one continuous motion from left to right (as it feels like) but instead “snapshots” of segments of the line.

So my take on this is that the serifs are there as visual cues to help the jumps happen faster (because of less cognitive overhead) and/or help with orientation after each jump, as the serifs make the line more explicit.

For online reading the resolution tends to be too low for the serifs to do their job, and instead they introduce noise [1] making the reading process harder instead of easier -- for larger text this is not the case, but for that the serifs are not useful (so it doesn’t matter what you choose here.)

So I’d say the serif/sans serif advice for text/heading in typography should be reversed for online reading -- the advice (about making them distinct) is btw for aesthetic reasons, as we (people) like contrast, and mixing serif/sans serif gives that clear contrast as opposed to e.g. using another serif font for headings, which would often just give a feel of “there is something wrong with the type when used in the headings” instead of making the headings (more) visually distinct.

I know however that there are actually people who like serif fonts for online reading, so I guess it does to some degree boil down to personal preference.

As for Comic Sans: in addition to not be crafted for optimal reading efficiency (but instead for comic bubbles) “serious people” (like myself :) ) generally associate it with amateurish content, since it’s often the first choice when someone needs to make an invitation or similar look more personal -- so on that ground alone I would stay the hell away from this type ;)

[1] There are some semi-serif fonts specially crafted for online reading which are generally good. The problem is really using types created for print on a monitor, and most of those classic serif fonts are made for print.

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