Wow, this icon quest is getting really exciting, but ever more confusing, so I thought a simple poll between the two (???) top contenders could be of general interest, and a lot less confusing as to which one anyone is commenting on. Yeah, I know I'm being a bit of an anorak, but can't help it, and I am taking my medication daily ;-)
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Icon A by Bartelme.
Icon B by Ethan.
My vote: Icon A by Bartelme
Reason: I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm guessing it's something to do with Bartelme's icon following the general "text editor" icon look, and it is more in line with the 3D feel of the other Apple app icons in the dock which I think is more appropriate and professional.
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Mats
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On Feb 9, 2005, at 22:12, Mats Persson wrote:
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I'd strongly suggest using the wiki [1] for this.
Also, just for the records, I'm a technocrat and not easily swayed by popular opinion ;) But of course I'm always interested in knowing what the “audience” thinks.
My Vote and Comment Vote: I like them both but Icon B will stand out more in my PowerBook (i.e. small) dock. I'm wary of highly-detailed icon attributes like the pen.
Comment: "a bit of an anorak" -- Mats you've lived in the UK too long! cheers Paul
On 9 Feb 2005, at 22:12, Mats Persson wrote:
Wow, this icon quest is getting really exciting, but ever more confusing, so I thought a simple poll between the two (???) top contenders could be of general interest, and a lot less confusing as to which one anyone is commenting on. Yeah, I know I'm being a bit of an anorak, but can't help it, and I am taking my medication daily ;-)
To register your vote, please do a reply with the name of your preferred icon selected, and if you so wish add your reasons to why you like it below the quoted text.
Any other comment belongs in a completely new thread. Please try to keep it on point here. Thank you! ;-)
Icon A by Bartelme. <TextMate_Bartelme.icns>
Icon B by Ethan. <TextMate_Ethan_3.icns>
My vote: Icon A by Bartelme
Reason: I'm not entirely sure why, but I'm guessing it's something to do with Bartelme's icon following the general "text editor" icon look, and it is more in line with the 3D feel of the other Apple app icons in the dock which I think is more appropriate and professional.
Ok, I'm sorry I don't want to have people think I'm bitter or anything, but I would like to remind people that Bartelme's icon is derivative work. It says so on his website, and the original is what comes with 1.1b4.
it's something to do with Bartelme's icon following the general "text editor" icon look,
I know this is nit-picky, but the look, the layout, the icon with everything but the pen, new shadow and an up in saturation were mine long before Bartelme. I'm not trying to downplay Bartleme's talent (just look at his website to know how good he is as a designer) but I did a lot of work on this as well.
Thanks - just needed to get that out there. Sorry if it sounds vindictive or angry, it's really not.
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Hi Jon,
I think I can speak for a large portion of us (if not all) when I say that we all greatly appreciate your work on the TM icon. Bartelme has done other kinds of derivative work and I think that it's more like a nod to the original author than any kind of usurping of the spotlight.
Indeed, what I think we're all looking for is a nice icon for TM. We've gone through a number of icons so far -- with wide changes between each revision. That Bartelme took the latest released icon and improved upon it seems to me that we're finally coming to a consensus!!
I would suggest that the icon developers put their heads together and figure out the best possible combination of the latest submissions. I think that what we need is a big gear icon with more saturation (like Jon's + Bartelme's combined, but looking more like the KDEsque gear), but designed in accordance with the Apple guidelines (angle, lighting, etc).
Bartelme's work should push the icon's design forward -- and I think it's sparked another round of creativity that will hopefully drive us towards the final look... based on your contribution!
Chris
Jon Raphaelson wrote:
Ok, I'm sorry I don't want to have people think I'm bitter or anything, but I would like to remind people that Bartelme's icon is derivative work. It says so on his website, and the original is what comes with 1.1b4.
it's something to do with Bartelme's icon following the general "text editor" icon look,
I know this is nit-picky, but the look, the layout, the icon with everything but the pen, new shadow and an up in saturation were mine long before Bartelme. I'm not trying to downplay Bartleme's talent (just look at his website to know how good he is as a designer) but I did a lot of work on this as well.
Thanks - just needed to get that out there. Sorry if it sounds vindictive or angry, it's really not.
Jon -
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Home: 303-469-3442 Cell: 720-937-4372
jonathan.raphaelson@colorado.edu jonraphaelson@gmail.com
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Chris Messina wrote:
I think that what we need is a big gear icon with more saturation (like Jon's + Bartelme's combined, but looking more like the KDEsque gear), but designed in accordance with the Apple guidelines (angle, lighting, etc).
Absolutely agree with this wholeheartedly. Ethan's latest icon (large gear) definitely stands out more in the dock, but the angle, lighting and other aspects of it are not OSXish. Fix those things, and I think we would have a definite winner.
-Chris
Just to state the obvious. "Apple Guidelines" are just that, guidlines. Not rules. Remember that an icon is an ICON. It needs to be iconic. That's why the most recent icon works the best IMO.
Although the pen details in the current TextMate beta are well done, the icon still lacks personality. Just right now I have 4 other icons in my dock that contains some sort of pad and pen, whereas the lone gear of the most recently submitted icon allows it standout and be retained in memory much more quickly. The saturation and strong contrast are also helpful in this.
Though another thing to think about, when I think about textmate, I don't necessarily think of it in abbreviated form as merely a T, I would think of it more as TM.
On Feb 9, 2005, at 5:39 PM, Chris Ruzin wrote:
Chris Messina wrote:
I think that what we need is a big gear icon with more saturation (like Jon's + Bartelme's combined, but looking more like the KDEsque gear), but designed in accordance with the Apple guidelines (angle, lighting, etc).
Absolutely agree with this wholeheartedly. Ethan's latest icon (large gear) definitely stands out more in the dock, but the angle, lighting and other aspects of it are not OSXish. Fix those things, and I think we would have a definite winner.
-Chris
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Michael Gregoire wrote:
Just to state the obvious. "Apple Guidelines" are just that, guidlines. Not rules. Remember that an icon is an ICON. It needs to be iconic. That's why the most recent icon works the best IMO.
IMO, the latest gear icon from Ethan isn't as professional looking as his previous incarnation of the gear. The drop shadow is cropped. The edge of the gear is all black, instead of shaded purple, which gives it a cheaper, more cartoony look. Perhaps Ethan just submitted an early vision of what the icon will look like?
For instance, the way the gear looks in Wolfgang's version is much more professional looking, IMO. Work with that style of gear, but make it more purple, like Ethan's.
Although the pen details in the current TextMate beta are well done, the icon still lacks personality. Just right now I have 4 other icons in my dock that contains some sort of pad and pen, whereas the lone gear of the most recently submitted icon allows it standout and be retained in memory much more quickly. The saturation and strong contrast are also helpful in this.
I agree. The lone, purple gear with TM somewhere on it would be the way to go, but the latest gear from Ethan isn't there yet. Getting closer, but not there yet. Combine the professional, polished aspects of Wolfgang's icon with Ethan's gear and you'll have a very nice TM icon.
Though another thing to think about, when I think about textmate, I don't necessarily think of it in abbreviated form as merely a T, I would think of it more as TM.
Agreed.
Using the automatically completing {} () and "" means that after I type the interior part, I have to then hit the right arrow key to leave the braces/parentheses/quotes. Seems like it would be nice to hit command-spacebar to move the cursor one space forward like a hitting the right arrow key. What's the difference? I think it would be a much easier and faster keystroke than moving my pinkie all the way over to the arrow keys. This situation happens hundreds of times a day at least.
Just a thought. I'm sure there are some reasons why it's a terrible idea.
Ed
On Feb 10, 2005, at 0:31, Edmundo Ortega wrote:
Dam... I thought we had everybody trained to not reply to existing letters when writing new ones -- it ruins mail threading!
Seems like it would be nice to hit command-spacebar to move the cursor one space forward like a hitting the right arrow key.
You could use Automation / Start Macro Recording, move right, Stop Macro Recording and then save this macro with the cmd-space key equivalent.
Just a thought. I'm sure there are some reasons why it's a terrible idea.
Well, cmd-space activates Quicksilver (and Spotlight on Tiger). But I really would like to have a default accelerator to skip over the auto-pairs, but haven't gotten the proper solution yet. Tab has been suggested, but when using {} as auto-pair, tab is likely to be a character that will actually be used.
On 10. feb 2005, at 0:31, Edmundo Ortega wrote:
Using the automatically completing {} () and "" means that after I type the interior part, I have to then hit the right arrow key to leave the braces/parentheses/quotes. Seems like it would be nice to hit command-spacebar to move the cursor one space forward like a hitting the right arrow key. What's the difference? I think it would be a much easier and faster keystroke than moving my pinkie all the way over to the arrow keys. This situation happens hundreds of times a day at least.
Just a thought. I'm sure there are some reasons why it's a terrible idea.
Only reason I can think of is that my QuickSilver hotkey and some peoples LaunchBar hotkey is on that combination.. and I think Tiger's Spotlight also :-p.
Oh, and do remember to make a new thread next time you change subject please :-).
Chris Ruzin wrote:
Michael Gregoire wrote:
Just to state the obvious. "Apple Guidelines" are just that, guidlines. Not rules. Remember that an icon is an ICON. It needs to be iconic. That's why the most recent icon works the best IMO.
IMO, the latest gear icon from Ethan isn't as professional looking as his previous incarnation of the gear. The drop shadow is cropped. The edge of the gear is all black, instead of shaded purple, which gives it a cheaper, more cartoony look. Perhaps Ethan just submitted an early vision of what the icon will look like?
After lurking on this list for a while, i simply cannot keep my mouth shut anymore.. IMHO, there has only been one icon until now that truly works and scales and stands out in the crowd - the simplest and most polished of them all. http://www.fonthead.com/projects/textmateicon.gif
( Sorry, Ethan, the version 3 - 3D-thing looks like something for MS Windows. go back to the polished approach, please, please)
Just my 2¢
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