9 Aug
2012
9 Aug
'12
3:16 p.m.
The source for TextMate 2 is now available at GitHub:
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/
Blog post: http://blog.macromates.com/2012/textmate-2-at-github/
I am re-purposing the ‘svn’ mailing list (textmate-dev) for development talk, incase
anyone wish to participate in the development.
9 Aug
9 Aug
5:37 p.m.
This is very cool, but it calls into question what your plans are for future commercial
development (by you and your team) of TM2. Is it a dead parrot?
Sorry to ask, but I'm not clear from your announcement.
Thanks for all you do!
Walter
On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
The source for TextMate 2 is now available at GitHub:
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/
Blog post: http://blog.macromates.com/2012/textmate-2-at-github/
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6:07 p.m.
On Aug 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Walter Lee Davis <waltd(a)wdstudio.com> wrote:
This is very cool, but it calls into question what
your plans are for future commercial development (by you and your team) of TM2. Is it a
dead parrot?
I will remain active working on TextMate and I hope we can still sell some licenses even
though people can now do their own build (w/o any license enforcement).
6:19 p.m.
@allan will you (or do you now) work for someone then?
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On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 2:07 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On Aug 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Walter Lee Davis
<waltd(a)wdstudio.com (mailto:waltd@wdstudio.com)> wrote:
This is very cool, but it calls into question
what your plans are for future commercial development (by you and your team) of TM2. Is it
a dead parrot?
I will remain active working on TextMate and I hope we can still sell some licenses even
though people can now do their own build (w/o any license enforcement).
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6:30 p.m.
@allan, nice. Once you go solo it's hard to ever work for anyone again.
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On Thursday, August 9, 2012 at 2:26 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:19 PM, Adam Merrifield
<macagp(a)gmail.com (mailto:macagp@gmail.com)> wrote:
@allan will you (or do you now) work for someone
then?
I’m still my own boss and I don’t plan for that to change :)
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7:01 p.m.
Well, to me TM is money well spent, I'd renew my license any day.
On Aug 9, 2012, at 8:07 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On Aug 9, 2012, at 7:37 PM, Walter Lee Davis
<waltd(a)wdstudio.com> wrote:
This is very cool, but it calls into question
what your plans are for future commercial development (by you and your team) of TM2. Is it
a dead parrot?
I will remain active working on TextMate and I hope we can still sell some licenses even
though people can now do their own build (w/o any license enforcement).
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7:18 p.m.
On 9 Aug 2012, at 12:01, Rolf Langenhuijzen wrote:
Well, to me TM is money well spent, I'd renew my
license any day.
I would as well. Open-Sourcing it is *incentive* to pay for it, not
vice-versa. It's the best of both worlds: lots of eyes on the little
nit-picky problems, but someone who can dedicate their time to
maintaining the larger vision and direction of the project, vet the
contributed code for quality, and make sure there are regular dependable
releases.
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5:51 p.m.
The source for TextMate 2 is now available at GitHub:
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/
This is amazing, thank you very much. I am almost speechless. Just spend a while reading
your source code, and it is awesome, I think this is perfect example how one should write
code.
I think TM2 has bright future. TM2 is almost mature and stable, so we weren't given
just some ugly non-stable code in middle of development. Moreover now we can fix some
problems ourselves, and request for merge, which will definitely speed up things. GPL3 is
I think is great too, I think worst can happen to such project is some forks and
fragmentation.
TM2 project/website now definitely deserves some Donation button :)
Cheers,
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6:02 p.m.
Wow, thanks very very much.
I personally have paid for TextMate and I still very very happy of your choice.
... and yes you need a Donation button :-)
I will be happy to donate something, and to test the build, cloning now :-)
2012/8/9 Adam Strzelecki <ono(a)java.pl>pl>:
The source for
TextMate 2 is now available at GitHub: https://github.com/textmate/textmate/
This is amazing, thank you very much. I am almost speechless. Just spend a while reading
your source code, and it is awesome, I think this is perfect example how one should write
code.
I think TM2 has bright future. TM2 is almost mature and stable, so we weren't given
just some ugly non-stable code in middle of development. Moreover now we can fix some
problems ourselves, and request for merge, which will definitely speed up things. GPL3 is
I think is great too, I think worst can happen to such project is some forks and
fragmentation.
TM2 project/website now definitely deserves some Donation button :)
Cheers,
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5:56 p.m.
Interesting development....
Even more interesting to me, though probably not anyone else, was noticing that
MultiMarkdown is a build requirement for TextMate 2.
;)
F-
On Aug 9, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
The source for TextMate 2 is now available at GitHub:
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/
Blog post: http://blog.macromates.com/2012/textmate-2-at-github/
I am re-purposing the ‘svn’ mailing list (textmate-dev) for development talk, incase
anyone wish to participate in the development.
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10 Aug
10 Aug
12:08 p.m.
I just read in the GitHub readme.md that OS X 10.7 is required to build
TextMate from source.
However, (as I do not plan to make own builds) will I be able to use future
updates from the regular builds coming in via the Software Update in the TM2
preferences also under OS X 10.6.8 as before?
Thanks for clarification.
d'Alembert
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2 p.m.
I believe that TM2 has been scoped to 10.7 and up. 1.5 still works in 1.6.
Walter
On Aug 10, 2012, at 8:08 AM, dAlembert wrote:
I just read in the GitHub readme.md that OS X 10.7 is required to build
TextMate from source.
However, (as I do not plan to make own builds) will I be able to use future
updates from the regular builds coming in via the Software Update in the TM2
preferences also under OS X 10.6.8 as before?
Thanks for clarification.
d'Alembert
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2:09 p.m.
Walter Lee Davis wrote:
I believe that TM2 has been scoped to 10.7 and up. 1.5 still works in 1.6.
Well, according to a blog post earlier this year
http://blog.macromates.com/2012/leopards-and-questions/ only 10.5 support
had been dropped up to now, and so far TM2 (9147) is working well on my 10.6
systems, that's why I'm asking...
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2:29 p.m.
[…] will I be
able to use future updates from the regular builds coming in via the Software Update in
the TM2 preferences also under OS X 10.6.8 as before?
Sorry, 10.6 has been dropped as well.
3:33 p.m.
On Aug 10, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Adam Strzelecki <ono(a)java.pl> wrote:
Can you please give more details, what Lion only API does TM2 now use? ARC? Or it is just
build constraint?
Presently, there is minimal 10.7 stuff used, but moving forward, we’ll start to use more
(and drop workarounds for supporting older versions).
More than 90% of 2.0 users are on 10.7 or 10.8, so I don’t think there is any reason to
spend time maintaining a 10.6 compatible version — time spent on that is time not spent on
actual features/bugs (and 10.6 compatibility has a price in that it limits how much new
API we can use, at least without clunky workarounds and multiple code paths where the
developer only tests one, i.e. a source of bugs).
[…] will I be able to use future updates from the
regular builds coming in via the Software Update in the TM2 preferences also under OS X
10.6.8 as before?
Sorry, 10.6 has been dropped as well. 
11 Aug
11 Aug
8 a.m.
At 4:14 PM +0200 8/10/12, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012, at 2:08 PM, dAlembert
<nablamalnabla(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
Am using TM2 Version 2.0 (9147) fine right now on 10.6.8.
Should I immediately turn-off automatic updates to prevent my TM2 install from breaking
when updating in the near future?
[] will I be able to use future updates from the
regular builds coming in via the Software Update in the TM2 preferencesalso under OS X
10.6.8 as before?
Sorry, 10.6 has been dropped as well.
10:39 a.m.
On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:00 AM, Stephen Bannasch <stephen.bannasch(a)deanbrook.org>
wrote:
Should I immediately turn-off automatic updates to
prevent my TM2 install from breaking when updating in the near future?
It should be smart enough to give you the latest version for your OS.
We have one issue¹ with a user where it auto-updates, but I can’t confirm this, so I would
be interested in knowing if others have this problem (since we’ll need this to work again
when we go 10.8+ :) ).
IOW just leave it on and/or manually Check Now and please let me know if something newer
than r9147 is reported (or r9064 for 10.5 users).
¹ https://github.com/textmate/textmate/issues/75
10 Aug
10 Aug
4:40 p.m.
I use TM for Ruby development essentially, so I'm more interested in a TM
"product" as opposed to TM source code. Will it be possible to still buy TM
and install it as a dmg? I would rather buy TM than compile my own version
from source. Frankly, TM is really worth paying for.
Marc
On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 8:16 AM, Allan Odgaard <mailinglist(a)textmate.org>wrote;wrote:
The source for TextMate 2 is now available at GitHub:
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/
Blog post: http://blog.macromates.com/2012/textmate-2-at-github/
I am re-purposing the ‘svn’ mailing list (textmate-dev) for development
talk, incase anyone wish to participate in the development.
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4:48 p.m.
On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Marc Chanliau <marc.chanliau(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I use TM for Ruby development essentially, so I'm
more interested in a TM "product" as opposed to TM source code. Will it be
possible to still buy TM and install it as a dmg? I would rather buy TM than compile my
own version from source. Frankly, TM is really worth paying for.
Definitely, the auto-updater will continue to work and you can download a fresh copy (to
bootstrap the process) from https://github.com/textmate/textmate/downloads
Right now the builds do not require a license, but that may change, as I still consider
TextMate commercial software. I just allow people to study and change the code as an added
bonus (and hopefully TextMate will benefit long-term from community activities, at which
point we may reconsider how we should go about “selling” it).
Kind regards Allan
11 Aug
11 Aug
1 a.m.
Hi Allan,
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Definitely, the auto-updater will continue to work and
you can download a fresh copy (to bootstrap the process) from
https://github.com/textmate/textmate/downloads
Are you saying that all of us using the TextMate 2 alpha need to download this version in
order to keep getting updates?
Thanks,
Rob
1:56 a.m.
New subject: TextMate 2 at GitHub - Source control
Is source control broken to anyone else? After the update the "smart folder"
that groups all changed files doesn't work and the status icons don't display.
thanks
7:11 a.m.
New subject: TextMate 2 at GitHub - Source control
On 11/08/2012, at 03.56, William Pickens wrote:
Is source control broken to anyone else? After the
update the "smart folder" that groups all changed files doesn't work and the
status icons don't display.
Is this Subversion? If so, see release notes :)
13 Aug
13 Aug
4:57 p.m.
New subject: TextMate 2 at GitHub - Source control
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:11 AM, Allan Odgaard <mailinglist(a)textmate.org> wrote:
On 11/08/2012, at 03.56, William Pickens wrote:
ah yes, I stopped at the interview link and didn't read the rest of the notes :)
thanks!
Is source control broken to anyone else? After
the update the "smart folder" that groups all changed files doesn't work and
the status icons don't display.
Is this Subversion? If so, see release notes :)
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11 Aug
11 Aug
7:10 a.m.
On 11/08/2012, at 03.00, Rob Cope wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
No
Definitely, the auto-updater will continue to
work […]
Are you saying that all of us using the TextMate 2 alpha need to download this version in
order to keep getting updates? 
2:23 p.m.
As soon as you accept code from others, you can consider it what you want, but, it's
open source at that point, and requiring a license is just silly. Yes, you are more than
free to sell it, but, so are others.
On Aug 10, 2012, at 12:48 PM, Allan Odgaard <mailinglist(a)textmate.org> wrote:
On Aug 10, 2012, at 6:40 PM, Marc Chanliau
<marc.chanliau(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I use TM for Ruby development essentially, so
I'm more interested in a TM "product" as opposed to TM source code. Will it
be possible to still buy TM and install it as a dmg? I would rather buy TM than compile my
own version from source. Frankly, TM is really worth paying for.
Definitely, the auto-updater will continue to work and you can download a fresh copy (to
bootstrap the process) from https://github.com/textmate/textmate/downloads
Right now the builds do not require a license, but that may change, as I still consider
TextMate commercial software. I just allow people to study and change the code as an added
bonus (and hopefully TextMate will benefit long-term from community activities, at which
point we may reconsider how we should go about “selling” it).
Kind regards Allan
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