[CHANGED] When a new version is available, TextMate will download it automatically (w/o first asking the user), though showing progress underway which can be cancelled.
I have to say..UGH here. Can we get this turned into an option? I'm usually the type that prefers to initiate my downloads rather than having them done for me, for a variety of reasons, some security, some due to available bandwidth at the time, etc.
I dunno, that's just me.
On 21/10/2005, at 16.46, Robert M. Zigweid wrote:
[CHANGED] When a new version is available, TextMate will download it automatically (w/o first asking the user), though showing progress underway which can be cancelled.
I have to say..UGH here. Can we get this turned into an option? I'm usually the type that prefers to initiate my downloads rather than having them done for me, for a variety of reasons, some security, some due to available bandwidth at the time, etc.
What security problems would there be? It's basically doing exactly the same as the actual version check, download a file from the server, this one is just bigger -- if this is a security concern, you may want to disable version checks altogether :)
Available bandwidth: you can cancel the download when it starts. I could make that into a pause/resume. But maybe try it for a few versions and see if you ever actually get the download and it spoils something by consuming bandwidth.
I think this is one of those cases where on paper it sounds like maybe not the best thing to do because of presumed privacy issues or similar, but in real-life it's just a handy time-saver.
Allan,
I'm a newbie TextMate user, and just did the first version update this morning. I have to say, even the previous behavior is disconcerting: I get a dialog saying there's a new version to update to, but no further detail. No list of changes, no button that would take me to a list of changes, and no assurance that the update is authentic. That's enough to make me not use the auto-update feature, but I do still like the notification that there's a new version.
But the other issue is: it's a text editor. I don't want my text editor going off and downloading updates on its own accord. I don't want *any* of my software downloading updates on its own accord, but especially not the stuff that's supposed to be reasonably lightweight.
Just my $.02 on that issue. FWIW, I'm loving TextMate. It's the most innovative editor I've seen since emacs, and it might be enough to make me actually switch away from my old-skool unix roots. :) Certainly it's the first that's genuinely impressed me, and made me set aside some money for when the demo period expires.
Best regards, Josh
On Oct 21, 2005, at 9:04 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
What security problems would there be? It's basically doing exactly the same as the actual version check, download a file from the server, this one is just bigger -- if this is a security concern, you may want to disable version checks altogether :)
Available bandwidth: you can cancel the download when it starts. I could make that into a pause/resume. But maybe try it for a few versions and see if you ever actually get the download and it spoils something by consuming bandwidth.
I think this is one of those cases where on paper it sounds like maybe not the best thing to do because of presumed privacy issues or similar, but in real-life it's just a handy time-saver.
On 21/10/2005, at 17.32, Josh Carter wrote:
[...] even the previous behavior is disconcerting: I get a dialog saying there's a new version to update to, but no further detail. No list of changes, no button that would take me to a list of changes, and no assurance that the update is authentic.
It sounds like the RSS feed is a better match for you (granted, you can still be the victim of DNS spoofing):
feed://appcast.textmate.org
I would like to show changes while/before downloading, my own experience though is, that I generally don't read it before I have actually updated — so this is not top priority ATM.
But the other issue is: it's a text editor. I don't want my text editor going off and downloading updates on its own accord. I don't want *any* of my software downloading updates on its own accord, but especially not the stuff that's supposed to be reasonably lightweight.
I'd think the more lightweight, the more natural would it be to just do a quick self-update (with users permission for replacing the old version of course).
On 21 oct. 05, at 16:46, Robert M. Zigweid wrote:
[CHANGED] When a new version is available, TextMate will download it automatically (w/o first asking the user), though showing progress underway which can be cancelled.
I have to say..UGH here. Can we get this turned into an option? I'm usually the type that prefers to initiate my downloads rather than having them done for me, for a variety of reasons, some security, some due to available bandwidth at the time, etc.
I dunno, that's just me.
This one surprise me too.
I really prefer to decide when I want to download things: Sometimes I use my PowerBook on dial-up or even thru GPRS and that would be a terrible time to start a download, at 0,5 EUR for 100 KB...
What's the benefit except saving one clic, anyway?
I can't imagine if every apps start to act like this... brrr.
On 21/10/2005, at 17.20, Fred B. wrote:
I really prefer to decide when I want to download things: Sometimes I use my PowerBook on dial-up or even thru GPRS and that would be a terrible time to start a download, at 0,5 EUR for 100 KB...
What's the benefit except saving one clic, anyway?
A multi-step procedure should preferably present all questions up front, rather than ask them throughout the process. Previously this was not possible because it had to ask first for the download and then for the install. So it's really more the intermediate delay I wanted to get rid of, than the redundant click.
It was also requested, presumably people who leave their machine on, so when they return to it, they'd rather see an “Install & Relaunch” then “Download”, and have to wait for the download before taking up any work in TM.
Another point is also, that if people use nightly builds, I really want them to use latest nightly build, so presenting them with “Install & Relaunch” with the archive already downloaded, might higher the odds for them to proceed.
I can't imagine if every apps start to act like this... brrr.
Well, it _is_ possible to disable automatic version checks and do them manually instead — if you do it manually, TextMate will ask before downloading, since it already has the users attention.
But I can see the point about having to pay for every KB downloaded — I can add at least a hidden option for next build.
On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:
FWIW: I like the auto downloads :)
As long as we still get asked before the Install&Relaunch. When working on time sensitive material, I'd rather upgrade later, in case some minor bug in the new version affects my workflow.
Though personally I have to say that I too would prefer it if there were two checkboxes in the Software Update panel, one for automatic download and one for automatic relaunch. But it's not a big issue, personally.
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Joost Schuttelaar
Haris
On Oct 21, 2005, at 10:49 AM, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:
FWIW: I like the auto downloads :)
me too!
If you happen to not like how the automatic update behaves, don't use it. Instead update with the very convenient "Check Now" button in the preferences.
Matt Erker
Web Developer TOKY Branding + Design 3139 Olive Street Saint Louis, Missouri 63103 314.534.2000
I think the best thing to do is to have a separate checkbox for "auto- download when new build is available" (with some explanatory text saying it still prompts for install/relaunch), and simply default that to on. That way everybody's happy.
On Oct 21, 2005, at 11:40 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Well, it _is_ possible to disable automatic version checks and do them manually instead — if you do it manually, TextMate will ask before downloading, since it already has the users attention.
But I can see the point about having to pay for every KB downloaded — I can add at least a hidden option for next build.
On 21/10/2005, at 22.10, Kevin Ballard wrote:
I think the best thing to do is to have a separate checkbox for "auto-download when new build is available" (with some explanatory text saying it still prompts for install/relaunch), and simply default that to on. That way everybody's happy.
Yes, I'm likely going to do that for next build — I'd hoped I could remove all preferences related to software updating, when I'd figured out what was acceptable, but I guess a few paranoid people wouldn't like that ;)
On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Yes, I'm likely going to do that for next build — I'd hoped I could remove all preferences related to software updating, when I'd figured out what was acceptable, but I guess a few paranoid people wouldn't like that ;)
Having just suffered through an extended bout of dialup -- just now thankfully over -- I can tell you that anyone operating over a very low-bandwidth connection will thank you as well. :)
Though I do admire and support the idea of fewer visible preferences in general.
Chris
Whatever you do, at least keep the auto-update. I'd love it if every app DID this, the more transparency for me, the happier I am (and I actually consider myself a "power user", at least on the windows platform hehe, before the switch) Of course I also love the "new features" popup, so I can read how much better everything is :)
Andreas
On Oct 22, 2005, at 0:37 , Chris Thomas wrote:
On Oct 21, 2005, at 4:13 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Yes, I'm likely going to do that for next build — I'd hoped I could remove all preferences related to software updating, when I'd figured out what was acceptable, but I guess a few paranoid people wouldn't like that ;)
Having just suffered through an extended bout of dialup -- just now thankfully over -- I can tell you that anyone operating over a very low-bandwidth connection will thank you as well. :)
Though I do admire and support the idea of fewer visible preferences in general.
Chris
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