I'm very much looking forward to the prerelease of the next major version of TextMate. What day this month can we look forward to it?
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+1
On Dec 6, 2011, at 5:21 AM, Sean Gilbertson wrote:
I'm very much looking forward to the prerelease of the next major version of TextMate. What day this month can we look forward to it?
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+2
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On 6 Dec 2011, at 14:47, Daniel Dettlaff dmilith@verknowsys.com wrote:
+1
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+1, but so does everyone on this list and many more, I guess :)
On Dec 06, 2011, at 03:47 PM, Daniel Dettlaff dmilith@verknowsys.com wrote:
+1
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+1
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Jonas Müller wrote:
+1, but so does everyone on this list and many more, I guess :)
On Dec 06, 2011, at 03:47 PM, Daniel Dettlaff dmilith@verknowsys.com wrote:
+1
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you guys are so damn tacky! it is disgusting
Are you that way for all gift givers?
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:52 AM, pzsgeneral@me.com wrote:
+1
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Jonas Müller wrote:
+1, but so does everyone on this list and many more, I guess :)
On Dec 06, 2011, at 03:47 PM, Daniel Dettlaff dmilith@verknowsys.com wrote:
+1
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proudly, yes
On Dec 6, 2011, at 7:42 AM, David Clark wrote:
you guys are so damn tacky! it is disgusting
Are you that way for all gift givers?
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:52 AM, pzsgeneral@me.com wrote:
+1
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Jonas Müller wrote:
+1, but so does everyone on this list and many more, I guess :)
On Dec 06, 2011, at 03:47 PM, Daniel Dettlaff dmilith@verknowsys.com wrote:
+1
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Are you an idiot, or do you just play one on TV? Gift givers? MacroMates gave you a copy as a gift? Huh. I purchased mine, withe the promise from MacroMates of a version 2.
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 10:42 AM, David Clark david@davidsaccess.com wrote:
you guys are so damn tacky! it is disgusting
Are you that way for all gift givers?
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 9:52 AM, pzsgeneral@me.com wrote:
+1
On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:48 AM, Jonas Müller wrote:
+1, but so does everyone on this list and many more, I guess :)
On Dec 06, 2011, at 03:47 PM, Daniel Dettlaff dmilith@verknowsys.com wrote:
+1
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Timothy Reaves wrote:
Are you an idiot, or do you just play one on TV? Gift givers? MacroMates gave you a copy as a gift? Huh. I purchased mine, withe the promise from MacroMates of a version 2.
Are you always a grinch, or do you just play one on mailing lists?
For anyone who has followed the ups and downs of news about TM2 any arrival of an alpha/beta will feel like a gift. Having survived all the speculation for four or so years it *is* a wee bit tacky to start probing for a release date, like a kid harping on at parents to open Christmas presents before the 25th.
Patience, grasshoppers… Zen smiles all 'round please! (And best wishes to Santa in Cyprus and whatever elves he's brought in for the gift-wrapping.)
Cheers, Paul
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
Regards,
Please stop this nonsense!
Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
Regards,
Adam Strzelecki
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Thanks Allan,
This was crazy!!
-------------------------- Jay States from iPhone
On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote:
Please stop this nonsense!
Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
Regards,
Adam Strzelecki
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For anyone who has spent some time in the last few months perusing the commit log of github/avian then you would feel confident that we are close.
For anyone who has been whining, I don't get you. While waiting for a better TM2, I've taught myself VIM, and purchased and tried Vico, SublimeText2, Tincta, and Coda. I like to encourage all of them :-)
Vim is amazing once you get past the billion hour learning curve. The problem I have with it is the fragility of the extensions. There isn't a consistently followed packaging standard so the package managers don't always work. Additionally, the quality of the extensions isn't as good as TM so you end up fixing extension bugs and VIM configuration issues to get a TM like editor. However, those keybinding are very productive. I find it hard to go back to an editor now days that doesn't have the movement and basic command keybindings.
SublimeText2 is my main choice now days for cranking out code. I use the Vintage package which gives me my Vim key movement and command compatibility. Additionally, the project system works well for me.
Vico, is kind of like a MacVim clone but better. The only reason I use SublimeText2 over Vico is the SublimeText2 project system.
Both Vico and SublimeText2 support sftp remote file editing which is very handy at times.
TinctaPro, and Coda lack a Vim mode so I haven't spent much time with them.
When TM2 preview comes out later this month, I'll check it out. First to see if my plugin still works, and then to see if makes me more productive than what I'm using now. Regardless, I will buy TM2 once Alan allows me to, even though he has promised me a free upgrade. As I said, I like to encourage them all :-)
One thing you will see when you try a bunch of editors, is the influence Alan has had on editors. His ideas have been replicated everywhere, and in a few cases, improved on. Almost all the editors now support the TM language grammar, and snippet files. Also, if you follow the discussions, for these other editors, people regularly complain about how they differ to TM and practically hound the authors to better comply with TM.
I'm at a complete loss why anyone would harass Alan. He created the best editor available when it was released. He created compelling new ways of doing things that almost all editors adopted. So what if he went away for a long time to work on his next creation? TM still works, and there are a bunch of TM inspired editors to try. Why the drama?
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Jay States j.states@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks Allan,
This was crazy!!
Jay States from iPhone
On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote:
Please stop this nonsense!
Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we
said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic
on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see
TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an
impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long
standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed
in TM1.
Regards,
Adam Strzelecki
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I'm with you on this, when TM2 comes, I will be more than happy to pay for it, even tho Alan said it will be free for current license holders...
Alan, forgive a few of us knuckle heads :)
All I entended was to +1 the idea of getting a preview link for list users, thats all… no harassment, no hate, just reinforcing the idea that TM is an awesome editor and excited to see a newer version…
On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Hans Stimer wrote:
For anyone who has spent some time in the last few months perusing the commit log of github/avian then you would feel confident that we are close.
For anyone who has been whining, I don't get you. While waiting for a better TM2, I've taught myself VIM, and purchased and tried Vico, SublimeText2, Tincta, and Coda. I like to encourage all of them :-)
Vim is amazing once you get past the billion hour learning curve. The problem I have with it is the fragility of the extensions. There isn't a consistently followed packaging standard so the package managers don't always work. Additionally, the quality of the extensions isn't as good as TM so you end up fixing extension bugs and VIM configuration issues to get a TM like editor. However, those keybinding are very productive. I find it hard to go back to an editor now days that doesn't have the movement and basic command keybindings.
SublimeText2 is my main choice now days for cranking out code. I use the Vintage package which gives me my Vim key movement and command compatibility. Additionally, the project system works well for me.
Vico, is kind of like a MacVim clone but better. The only reason I use SublimeText2 over Vico is the SublimeText2 project system.
Both Vico and SublimeText2 support sftp remote file editing which is very handy at times.
TinctaPro, and Coda lack a Vim mode so I haven't spent much time with them.
When TM2 preview comes out later this month, I'll check it out. First to see if my plugin still works, and then to see if makes me more productive than what I'm using now. Regardless, I will buy TM2 once Alan allows me to, even though he has promised me a free upgrade. As I said, I like to encourage them all :-)
One thing you will see when you try a bunch of editors, is the influence Alan has had on editors. His ideas have been replicated everywhere, and in a few cases, improved on. Almost all the editors now support the TM language grammar, and snippet files. Also, if you follow the discussions, for these other editors, people regularly complain about how they differ to TM and practically hound the authors to better comply with TM.
I'm at a complete loss why anyone would harass Alan. He created the best editor available when it was released. He created compelling new ways of doing things that almost all editors adopted. So what if he went away for a long time to work on his next creation? TM still works, and there are a bunch of TM inspired editors to try. Why the drama?
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Jay States j.states@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Allan,
This was crazy!!
Jay States from iPhone
On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote:
Please stop this nonsense!
Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
Regards,
Adam Strzelecki
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Plus one billion points (pinky curled for emphasis) for a sense of fair play.
And thank you so much, Alan, for making a dent in the universe.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Hans Stimer wrote:
I'm at a complete loss why anyone would harass Alan. He created the best editor available when it was released. He created compelling new ways of doing things that almost all editors adopted. So what if he went away for a long time to work on his next creation? TM still works, and there are a bunch of TM inspired editors to try. Why the drama?
I feel like being in a church now :-) Thank God for such a divine product! Ok, now we all relax, it's all in jest.
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Walter Lee Davis waltd@wdstudio.com wrote:
Plus one billion points (pinky curled for emphasis) for a sense of fair play.
And thank you so much, Alan, for making a dent in the universe.
Walter
On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:27 AM, Hans Stimer wrote:
I'm at a complete loss why anyone would harass Alan. He created the best
editor available when it was released. He created compelling new ways of doing things that almost all editors adopted. So what if he went away for a long time to work on his next creation? TM still works, and there are a bunch of TM inspired editors to try. Why the drama?
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Oh, something has grown in my Mac? What is it? A violet daisy? That can't be true. It isn't spring.
I feel like being in a church now :-) Thank God for such a divine product!
I pray for forgiveness, I was faithless. But I've received a sign in a form of violet daisy, my faith is now stronger.
Cheers!
Dude, you should be nicer. Your product is not free, we pay for it (which is fine), so there's such a thing called "customer service." Customers are pesky in general so you need to be patient with them otherwise you sound like a Google employee! Just saying...
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.orgwrote:
Please stop this nonsense!
Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see
TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an
impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long
standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed
in TM1.
Regards,
Adam Strzelecki
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Come on people! You bought the current product. You get support for the current product. In no way, in any market anywhere, does that make you a shareholder. So why do you all act as though you've lost some sort of investment if the fables TM2 never materializes?
This theme comes up time and time again and I honestly think that Allan has every right to be snippy about it. It is counter productive and hurtful at times. Allan owes us nothing beyond support of the product we paid for (5 years ago for me) which is TM 1.X. And he does a great job at that. He is one man working on arguably one of the most versatile and complex pieces of software around. He has goals, setbacks, hopes, dreams, doubts and emotions. You didn't buy TM1.X from a vending machine.
Allan is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. So say he hurriedly pushes out a beta of TM2 before Christmas to make all you whiners happy... and it's unstable, bug filled, crashy... then what's the theme of these threads going to be? "TM2 is garbage! I'm going back to TM1.5!"
But if waits until he feels TM2 is worthy of a public beta and perhaps misses some Christmas deadline, then what? "Another 'promised' TM2 deadline missed! FAIL! I'm going to Sublime Text 2 where they eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"
Yes we're all rooting for a TM2 someday, and yes we are all allowed to get eager and excited about it as was the initial intent of this thread. But then all too quickly it turns into the hater thread, the "Where is TM2?" thread, the "You owe us your first born child for your failure to produce!" thread.
Those of us who are happy using TM1.5 are growing so weary of the "Where is TM2?" threads. If TM1.5 has issues for you, submit a bug report, get support for TM1.5, the version you paid for. If this is not enough for you then kindly move on to VI, emacs, Sublime Text 2, YourTextEditorHere and troll their mailing lists.
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On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marc Chanliau wrote:
Dude, you should be nicer. Your product is not free, we pay for it (which is fine), so there's such a thing called "customer service." Customers are pesky in general so you need to be patient with them otherwise you sound like a Google employee! Just saying...
On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote: Please stop this nonsense!
Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi,
Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
Regards,
Adam Strzelecki
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On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Merrifield Adam macagp@gmail.com wrote:
Those of us who are happy using TM1.5 are growing so weary of the "Where is TM2?" threads. If TM1.5 has issues for you, submit a bug report, get support for TM1.5, the version you paid for. If this is not enough for you then kindly move on to VI, emacs, Sublime Text 2, YourTextEditorHere and troll their mailing lists.
I agree! Thank you, Allan, for making a great product! And thanks to all the bundle developers! And thanks to Allan and others that's been very helpful on this list!
I bought TM 1.5 just before the previous "Where is TM2" thread. I bought the current product, and it works very well! I was never promised a TM2, but if it should show up soon, as hinted — Wow, I hope it's great!
Best regards,
True. This thread started out not as an accusation of any sorts, but more as a question about on what evening between now and the 24th people should hang up their socks (or whatever other custom they're used to at Christmas).
On Wednesday, 7 December 2011 at 16:41, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Please stop this nonsense! Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive. My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements. ¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
Hi, Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far). I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon. But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out. Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1. Regards, -- Adam Strzelecki _______________________________________________ textmate mailing list textmate@lists.macromates.com (mailto:textmate@lists.macromates.com) http://lists.macromates.com/listinfo/textmate
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