Have to say, got a bit lost on the multi project stuff as I don't really see this as necessary however... I know at lease another 3 or 4 people who are holding back due to the lack of split window functionality (same document or multiple). I have a chap here who is still using JEdit despite the slooow Java based (orrible) interface purely for this feature. TextMate is a cracking app and feels properly "Mac", the think lacking being the slit window functionality... oh and function / class navigation (but that can wait).
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From: Chris Messina factoryjoe@factorycity.net Date: 13 March 2005 19:43:12 GMT To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
I'm trying to use svnX and I keep getting this error when I try to connect:
subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:670: (apr_err=175002) svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn' subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:294: (apr_err=175002) svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not resolve hostname `macromates.com': No address associated with nodename (http://macromates.com)
Any idea why this would be happening? I can connect successfully to other SVN repositories, so I'm at a loss as to why this is happening.
Chris
Allan Odgaard wrote:
On Mar 13, 2005, at 18:50, Brad Miller wrote:
I just tried to do a fresh checkout myself to see if I could get my changes to the entitynav.py checked in and I'm seeing the same thing. [...]
I did a fresh checkout to /tmp, which worked. I changed a command and then I also got an error on commit (though not the same), but it seems this is a know problem [1]. Since I'd done the new checkout as 'anon'.
Using: “svn ci --username duff” solved the problem. Could you try this Brad? Giving the correct username after 'anon' has failed *does not work*.
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From: Jack Baty jbaty@fusionary.com Date: 13 March 2005 21:24:15 GMT To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
A short time ago, for a week or so I could not access anything on the macromates.com site, including Subversion. Turns out that for some reason my ISPs name servers had very old data. I changed name servers and everything, including svn commands, began working again. It's a long shot but could be worth a look.
On Mar 13, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Chris Messina wrote:
I'm trying to use svnX and I keep getting this error when I try to connect:
subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:670: (apr_err=175002) svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn' subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:294: (apr_err=175002) svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not resolve hostname `macromates.com': No address associated with nodename (http://macromates.com)
Any idea why this would be happening? I can connect successfully to other SVN repositories, so I'm at a loss as to why this is happening.
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From: Jonathan Ragan-Kelley katokop1@gmail.com Date: 14 March 2005 06:48:50 GMT To: textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why Reply-To: jrk@csail.mit.edu, TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
Searching through the archives of this list, and other TextMate-related materials, I've seen that this has come up a handful of times, but not in a while, and rarely with much of any response, so I'll ask again:
Why does TextMate lack any sort of single-project/multi-window functionality (the most functional and common implementation being arbitrary split panes within the editor windows, as in jEdit, Emacs, Xcode, Visual Studio, et multi al.)? Is there any intention of adding such functionality (in the near future)?
I have a hard time imagining how a programmer-centric editor can largely ignore the need of developers to have simple and effective ways to view and edit several documents in the same project simultaneously. Interfaces and implementations, interfaces and clients, refactoring source and destination, etc., etc. I recognize that it is possible to view multiple documents at once, as in any standard document-based app, using multiple windows. However, files opened to separate windows fail to integrate with the project-file functionality and multi-document (tab) organization around which TextMate is built, and, most of all, require heavy use of the dreaded Mouse to do much of anything. I have a hard time imagining how the developers work on this very 30+ KLC app, itself, without the ability to deftly maneuver many files with keyboard alone, and to see more than one thing at a time. The addition of features like cmd-T speaks directly the significance of keyboard navigation of large projects, but in such projects, what on earth are we to do with our widescreen or multi-monitor setups if we can only use one pane? There's only so much of my screen real-estate I could ever allocate to Safari and OmniOutliner to read documentation and keep a to-do list, when the primary thing I need is to keep my head inside my code.
I apologize for the rather desperate, frustrated tone creeping up underneath this message -- it's just the type of desperation that could only be created by frequent attempts to use an absolutely glorious, is-everything-I-could-dream-of app, perpetually foiled by a single, fatal (and bizarrely unique, among programmer's editors) flaw in just one small aspect of its implementation which completely prevents me from doing anything more than diddling around and getting frustrated, time and again. Not to mention from forking over the $50 -- nay $100 I would honestly love to pay for this program, if only I could actually use it.
The problem is, I greatly appreciate everything that is TextMate. The core idea -- that other editors on OS X just feel wrong -- echoes my sole problem since coming [back] to the platform. And TextMate really does feel right. Oh so right. I just can't actually use it for anything, since I can't quickly, cleanly, and effectively (i.e. with the keyboard, without endlessly mucking about with window sizes and placements) operate on and navigate large multi-file software projects.
I understand that TextMate is a focused, relatively small undertaking compared to mammoth editor-beasts like Emacs, or even jEdit these days -- that that is not only the reality of a single-developer project, but the goal. But I can't imagine that at least rudimentary split panes (or some functionally similar interface feature) could possibly be nearly as implementation-heavy as many of the features that seem to be coming every few weeks. You have this nice, object-oriented text view you've created, which can be instantiated many times over (in separate windows) just fine -- why not allow multiple instantiations within sub-windows, using Apple's standard split pane widgets? The key thing which complicates this, of course, is the focus on tabs, and while it's true that there doesn't seem to be an obvious, elegant solution to the problem of tabs for multiple panes, I think those of us who really feel the need for mouse-free management of multiple document views would gladly live with pretty tabs which have to shut themselves off when a window is split into multiple panes, at least until a better solution can be made. After all, tabs are a rather mouse-centric interface element, anyway, as indicated by the enthusiastic introduction of the new cmd-T file open/switch feature.
So there we have it. If you can't tell, I've been stewing over this for several months. Now, what are the chances? Is this even on the drawing board? Is there anything I or anyone else could do to help it along (like [not] sending more long, love-lorn emails)?
Is anyone else -- besides me and the 2 people who asked after this feature here and on the wiki in the fall -- interested in panes? If not, how on earth do you work with multiple text files simultaneously? I'd really like to know, because hopefully I'm just totally missing something that will improve my [working] life forever.
Much love to the creator and users of this fantastic app. And don't worry, I'm putting my straight jacket back on as we speak, and heading to bed in my padded, white room.
From: Mark Sapa Mark.Sapa@gmx.de Date: 14 March 2005 07:12:15 GMT To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
Hey Allan, just tried your suggestion a few times:
Am 13.03.2005 um 19:21 schrieb Allan Odgaard:
On Mar 13, 2005, at 18:15, Mark Sapa wrote:
[moerk@mungon]~ 501 % rm -rf Bundles [moerk@mungon]~ 502 % rm -rf .subversion [moerk@mungon]~ 503 % svn co http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles Authentication realm: http://macromates.com:80 macromates.com Password for 'moerk':
Maybe this is related to the bug I just mentioned for Brad [1].
Could you try instead to do: svn co --username anon http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles
So that it won't first prompt for password for moerk.
This is the result:
[moerk@mungon]~ 546 % rm -rf Bundles [moerk@mungon]~ 547 % rm -rf .subversion [moerk@mungon]~ 548 % svn co --username anon http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles Authentication realm: http://macromates.com:80 macromates.com Password for 'anon': svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/Bundles/trunk' svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/Bundles/trunk': 400 failed to forward body of the request (http://macromates.com) [1][moerk@mungon]~ 549 % rm -rf Bundles[moerk@mungon]~ 550 % rm -rf .subversion[moerk@mungon]~ 551 % svn co --username anon http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles Authentication realm: http://macromates.com:80 macromates.com Password for 'anon': svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/Bundles/trunk' svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/Bundles/trunk': 403 Forbidden (http://macromates.com) [1][moerk@mungon]~ 552 % rm -rf Bundles [moerk@mungon]~ 553 % rm -rf .subversion[moerk@mungon]~ 554 % svn co --username anon http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles Authentication realm: http://macromates.com:80 macromates.com Password for 'anon': svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/Bundles/!svn/vcc/default' svn: REPORT of '/svn/Bundles/!svn/vcc/default': 503 unknown method (http://macromates.com)
The first I _might_ attribute to a skippy connection, I was unsure about my correct typing of the password in the second, but the third _definitely_ has the correct pw. This is with a freshly recompiled version of svn, btw.
Any more suggestions, anyone?
Right now I'll try rebuilding the fink svn-client without ssl support... *shrug*
From: Eric Hsu erichsu@math.sfsu.edu Date: 14 March 2005 07:27:31 GMT To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
Why does TextMate lack any sort of single-project/multi-window functionality (the most functional and common implementation being arbitrary split panes within the editor windows, ....
Is anyone else -- besides me and the 2 people who asked after this feature here and on the wiki in the fall -- interested in panes? If not, how on earth do you work with multiple text files simultaneously?
I'm confused by the request. One piece talks about many files, one project (the end). For this, I use the 'project drawer'. Start a new project. Add the folders that I am working with (the drawer automatically finds the enclosed files). Now as I click on files in the hierarchy, they appear as tabs. You can flip between them using Ctrl-Opt-Arrow. It works pretty well... My only complaint is that the drawer remembers state oddly. If you add a folder and want to omit a subfolder (in my case because there are 1,500 data files in it), TM will add it back when it refreshes; other times when it refreshes the folders close up. But Allan is aware of these annoyances...
The other piece asks for split views of the same document. I think BBEdit had this, but I used the functionality about once a month. If I need to jump between subroutines, there are a number of 'jump to function' commands that are competing in the TM svn repository. The project I'm working on now is broken up into a bunch of modules that are in different files anyway. I have been learning how fantastically indispensable the "Find in Project" command is.
- Eric
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From: Eric Hsu erichsu@math.sfsu.edu Date: 14 March 2005 07:33:42 GMT To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com, Mark Sapa Mark.Sapa@gmx.de Cc: Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
At 8:12 AM +0100 3/14/05, Mark Sapa wrote:
Right now I'll try rebuilding the fink svn-client without ssl support... *shrug*
My svn setup is working great, checkout and checkin. Let's see, how did I install it...
My info: svn, version 1.1.1 (r11581) compiled Oct 23 2004, 17:26:09
I think I got it from http://www.codingmonkeys.de/mbo/, which has packages nicely precompiled for Panther. You are using 10.3, right?
- Eric
-- Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics San Francisco State University erichsu@math.sfsu.edu http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu
From: Chris Thomas chris@cjack.com Date: 14 March 2005 07:39:19 GMT To: Eric Hsu erichsu@math.sfsu.edu Cc: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Eric Hsu wrote:
The other piece asks for split views of the same document. I think BBEdit had this, but I used the functionality about once a month. If I need to jump between subroutines, there are a number of 'jump to function' commands that are competing in the TM svn repository. The project I'm working on now is broken up into a bunch of modules that are in different files anyway. I have been learning how fantastically indispensable the "Find in Project" command is.
BBEdit's implementation is one horizontal split pane, IIRC. Not good enough.
Imagine that you have a really large source file. Imagine that you need to make changes to code at top of the file that require interrelated changes to stuff at the bottom, and/or vice versa. Imagine these changes are too complicated to hold all of the details in your head.
You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential.
In the past, I've actually used four horizontal split panes working on the same document at once. That was a particularly intricate case, but I would certainly use the functionality if I had it now. Unfortunately, Xcode's pane split UI sucks. MPW did it right (more or less).
Chris
From: Eric Hsu erichsu@math.sfsu.edu Date: 14 March 2005 07:59:13 GMT To: Chris Thomas chris@cjack.com Cc: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com, Eric Hsu erichsu@math.sfsu.edu Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential.
Yeah, I was thankful that one time a month I used it. And I would be happy to have it in TM. The question is always priorities...
- Eric
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From: David Casal david@luminas.co.uk Date: 14 March 2005 09:19:27 GMT To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On 14 Mar 2005, at 07:59, Eric Hsu wrote:
You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential.
Yeah, I was thankful that one time a month I used it. And I would be happy to have it in TM. The question is always priorities...
The one thing I miss from jedit is actually being able to open -several- files in split panes. That's the scenario I used the most, and the one I'd really love to see in TM.
David Casal
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