With regards to Allans comment about the window splitting, this would be great as I have a couple of guys who won't move from JEdit because of this one feature. They are doing PHP, XHTML and CSS.
Keep up the good work, this is turning out to be a cracking little editor.
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- Re: Window splitting? (Allan Odgaard)
- Re: Shift Left, Shift Right (jeremy*pinnix)
- Re: Left Padding (Allan Odgaard)
- Leave the tabs as they were (James Hill)
- Show Web Preview... options ( Jos? Campos )
- Re: Re: folding idea (Ivan Pan)
- Re: TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues (Allan Odgaard)
- Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (Andrew Green)
- Re: Couple little gnats (Phil Aaronson)
- Re: suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets (Raena Armitage)
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From: Allan Odgaard allan@macromates.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:19:49 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com, Ivan Pan ifanpan@gmail.com Cc: Subject: Re: [TextMate] Window splitting? Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:47, Ivan Pan wrote:
Just a suggestion. Maybe lay out a roadmap or a check list, so we won't keep nagging you about something that's already in the work.
I have considered that, but I fear that it may actually lead to the opposite situation, also I really cannot make any estimates to when what will happen -- people should consider, “is this a common editor feature?” if the answer is yes, most likely I know about it and eventually plan to get around to it ;)
For now there is the feature requests in the wiki -- I do read these, but currently do not comment on when what is planned.
It's already a great text editor and certainly an editor that would make BBEdit worry. Keep up the good work.
That's another reason, don't want to give them too much insight in planned features, as some stuff is sort of "new" :)
Kind regards Allan
From: jeremy*pinnix jpinnix@pixelgrazer.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:22:50 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] Shift Left, Shift Right Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
Option-Tab for shifting to the right Shift-Option-Tab for shifting to the left
On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
Ok, there is one nagging problem I've been having that no one has seemed to bring up yet. What is the arrow symbol (for Shift Left and Shift Right) equivalent to on my powerbook? I've checked the Mac help and the symbol isn't even listed in it's Special Key guide. I've attached a screenshot of the help page, as you can see it's not there. I've tried every combination of keys that I can think of, but nothing works. I have to resort to choosing it from the menu.
Thanks Mike
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From: Allan Odgaard allan@macromates.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:23:57 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] Left Padding Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:01, Michael Sheets wrote:
There already is 2 pixels?!?
Sorry, I meant 2-3 more, not total. If the small padding is so good why is there more on the top? ;)
That's a bug! ;)
Well, I think I initially did 6 pixels on each of the sides, but when I added gutter-stuff, I made it 2 pixels between folding-markers and end of gutter (and/or line numbers etc.), so I removed some to make it symmetrical.
I don't like too much padding, e.g. NSTextView seems to be using 1.5 times the width of a character or so, and that makes it hard for me to see how much stuff is indented.
But I can probably be persuaded to add two more pixels.
Kind regards Allan
From: James Hill jamie@soniciq.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:28:19 BST To: textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: [TextMate] Leave the tabs as they were Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
I thing the tabs should be as they were in the first release. Clean and just fine. Too many programs today end up with fancy bevels etc all over the place. Keep it clean and lightweight I say.
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From: C J Silverio ceej@spies.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:08:57 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:
For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's black) which are a not exactly simple to work around. One day maybe :)
You might find something to use in Camino's take: <CaminoSnap001.png>
The selected tab bleeds into a stripe that goes across the window, but is still separate from the document display. This helps indicate "this tab is live", but doesn't war with the rendered page.
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From: jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com (José Campos) Date: 18 October 2004 16:44:07 BST To: textmate@lists.macromates.com (TM Users) Subject: [TextMate] Show Web Preview... options Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
Hi, "Show Web Preview" is very nice but... + on a computer where PHP is enabled, + for files that are located somewhere in the ~/Sites/ folder, + instead of opening them as : "file:///Users/jo/Sites/path/to/file.php" + it would be nicer to open them as : "http://127.0.0.1/~jo/Sites/path/to/file.php" ...so that the PHP code could be fully seen Have a nice day,-- Jo <W:00°04'37" ; N:47°15'36">
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From: Ivan Pan ifanpan@gmail.com Date: 18 October 2004 15:34:56 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] Re: folding idea Reply-To: Ivan Pan ifanpan@gmail.com, TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:51:11 +0100, Chris Jenkins chrisjenkins@mac.com wrote:
Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of hierarchy and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the gutter (I changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some way also be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as a way of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket over long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.
- tab icons: more visually intuitive that what we have, though I am
fine with what we have. 2. connector's subbranch: I like the idea to have multiple folding markers within the same indentation. 3. explicit folding markers: I want to be able to clear some of the markers in the gutter by manually setting the marking. I sometimes have too many markers together.
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From: Allan Odgaard allan@macromates.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:44:00 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On 18. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Mats Persson wrote:
When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre the current line where the cursor happens to be. Although I can't swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but now I do, and it is a bit irritating.
It has always been the case ;) I realize that not all like it, since some e.g. scroll w/o moving the caret. It'll be improved down the road.
Kind regards Allan
From: Andrew Green andrew@article7.co.uk Date: 18 October 2004 14:32:23 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French wrote:
For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
I think the reason this seems necessary is the way that the tabs adjoin the document area. You'll notice that Safari puts the tabs the other way up, so that they adjoin the toolbar instead.
Admittedly, TM doesn't have a toolbar, but I do wonder if the tabs would work the other way up anyway, adjoining the window title bar rather than the document area. Sadly, no mockup is forthcoming from me on this!
It could be a really bad idea, of course. I'm just wondering.
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From: Phil Aaronson phil@hinkty.com Date: 18 October 2004 19:53:30 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] Couple little gnats Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Jeroen wrote:
Phil Aaronson wrote:
Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't exist in a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a BBEdit user which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold some text in vim, say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the cursor. Undo ('u') undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to expect.
You're right, I thought Vim did not put folding on the undo stack, but it does indeed.
For the record, in vim, undo also undoes text selection.
However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack, simply because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.
I'm getting that impression :) Not that this is a big deal, but most apps I use seem to break it down along command vs. setting line, not content vs. representation of content. That said a command vs. setting undo is a little more difficult line to walk with TextMate than a lot of other apps.
And word processors != text editors, there's a world of difference between them.
Fair enough.
Phil
From: Raena Armitage raena@raena.net Date: 18 October 2004 16:57:22 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
On 18 Oct 2004, at 8:28 pm, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)
Though I'm still not entirely sure how to do it.
Outline view would make the most sense to me as a user.
José Campos adds:
Drawers, just like the project drawer would be nice, just addradio-buttons in the tab bar to select which drawer to open (Project-Command-Macros-Snippets-Clipboard history-Templates)
...that's a lot of things, and I personally wouldn't feel that the project area (where documents live) is an appropriate place to also find bundly things -- although I wouldn't find it strange to find templates there.
Perhaps the contextual menu could accommodate something, though? Currently it has 'Filter through Command,' but perhaps some oft-used snippets wouldn't go astray here?
From: jeremy*pinnix jpinnix@pixelgrazer.com Date: 18 October 2004 14:26:39 BST To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com Subject: Re: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals Reply-To: TM Users textmate@lists.macromates.com
I would also prefer they not be bold. The folder icon is sufficient.
On Oct 18, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Johan Sörensen wrote:
Hi,
I know I'm being anal about this, but then again I am a mac user, but I'm not really sure I like the bold for the folders in the projectdrawer. They are already plenty visually marked with the standard mac os folder icon, no need to bold up the text, in fact, this is probably the first application where I've seen this (afaik). I'm also not too sure about the file-texts being ~80% black, but that I can live with, it's just the boldness of the folders that's a little too much!
If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with a defaults write)
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