I will "try" upgrading to PHP 5 in TM. Question: is there any thing else that i need to know besides the instructions at TM/Bundles/PHP/Help/4.1 my plan of action is to upgrade to OS 10.5 when the DVD gets here this friday. and the various upgrades thru the Apple server. install PHP 5 on the machine via entropy. follow the instructions as given, TM/Bundles/PHP/Help/4.1 see what kind of mess entropy and MAMP can make, yes i will have the servers shut off. and go from there. If any one could bring me to notice anything i do not see please let me know. Thank you i found universal install DVD of 10.5 at hardcoremac that is affiliated with yahoo business.