I have put off upgrading to Catalina because of people here reporting TextMate issues after upgrading. Problems with menus, etc.
Could anyone who is using Catalina offer any advice on whether it would be best to stay with Mojave or if the problems with Catalina are minor and no big deal. I use TextMate daily for work and don't want to upgrade if it is going to cause prblems with my productivity.
Thanks.
I’ve been running TextMate 2 on Catalina for some time with no issues.
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On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Curt Sellmer sellmerfud@gmail.com wrote:
I have put off upgrading to Catalina because of people here reporting TextMate issues after upgrading. Problems with menus, etc.
Could anyone who is using Catalina offer any advice on whether it would be best to stay with Mojave or if the problems with Catalina are minor and no big deal. I use TextMate daily for work and don't want to upgrade if it is going to cause prblems with my productivity.
Thanks.
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There are no problems with Catalina.
Generally speaking my experience over the years is that one should update as soon as new versions or upgrades come around.
I don't like some of the security features introduced in recent versions, but I understand why that was done and find that after a while one gets used to it.
Once every major version I have to turn the protection off, reenable Postfix (because my practice management Software wants to email and can't do SSL (!)), turn the protection back on and be done with it, no drama.
There was a small problem with one of the menus on the bottom line which is not present with TextMate 2.0.6 any longer.
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On 2020-02-24 22:39 , Charles McKnight wrote:
I’ve been running TextMate 2 on Catalina for some time with no issues.
TextMate version 2.0.6
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On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Curt Sellmer sellmerfud@gmail.com wrote:
I have put off upgrading to Catalina because of people here reporting TextMate issues after upgrading. Problems with menus, etc.
Could anyone who is using Catalina offer any advice on whether it would be best to stay with Mojave or if the problems with Catalina are minor and no big deal. I use TextMate daily for work and don't want to upgrade if it is going to cause prblems with my productivity.
Thanks.
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On 25 Feb 2020, at 10:09, Dr Eberhard W Lisse wrote:
Generally speaking my experience over the years is that one should update as soon as new versions or upgrades come around.
IMPORTANT: All of this is anecdotal - just my experience and opinions.
As a counter-opinion, I've found Catalina to be one of the most bug-ridden Mac OS releases since 10.4.3 (Tiger) where I first started my Mac "journey". The early OS X Lion releases were bad too, but by about ".2" these were settling down while Catalina continues to irritate. As a developer, it has been something of a nightmare and I only upgraded because I was essentially forced into it by the iCloud backwards-incompatible data formats Apple foisted upon us in iOS 13 (Notes, Reminders) coupled with a new machine at work which had Catalina preinstalled.
TextMate is generally OK on Catalina these days. I do see problems with files not refreshing when changed on disc. I've had some data loss arise from that - thank heavens everything is in a Git repo! - but can't comment on what part of the software stack is to blame; maybe the same thing would have happened on OS X 10.14. I do also see the weird fails-to-redraw-on-scroll issues with TextMate 2.0.x which others have reported and a few problems with tabs not redrawing or positioning properly, but I'm fairly sure I've seen that kind of thing on pre-Catalina releases too. Apart from the file refresh trouble, I wouldn't say anything too serious has gone wrong. I see the same sort of issues on:
* A 2011 MBP hacked up to Catalina via the DosDude 1 patcher. * A 2014 Retina MBP that was upgraded to Catalina from Mojave. * A 2020 16" Macbook Pro that shipped with Catalina preinstalled.
...so that's a huge spread of hardware age and capability, pretty much ruling out hardware variations and (as much as one can be certain of anything of this nature) confirming the issues as software based. I have seen similar problems with Catalina especially around sleep->wake recognition of attached USB devices like audio adapters, HDMI capability detection failures and numerous redraw bugs with:
* A 2012 Mac Mini (the "last known good" model with Firewire) upgraded to Catalina from Mojave.
...but don't use TextMate on that machine.
There are few patterns to Catalina's problems. It's just random and buggy. External monitors change their left-right order, brightness on the laptop is at full on wake from sleep, colour profiles are forgotten... All in all, it takes away 32-bit support - a huge loss - but gives nothing back in terms of speed or footprint. The iTunes split into Music etc. has literally just meant the bug count has tripled, across Music, Podcasts and TV, and somehow the Music app at launch takes about twice as much RAM to display the same things as iTunes did. Since 10.15.0, Music app features have been *removed* rather than added (it's no longer possible to scrub through a track using trackpad gestures with the pointer hovering over the position bar, and Podcasts/TV didn't support that from the outset anyway). So it does less, but it's somehow more bloated. I'm able to compare the two side by side thanks to https://github.com/cormiertyshawn895/Retroactive.
Apple are still providing full security updates to OS X 10.14, so if you have no other compelling reason to move, my vote is that I recommend you do not upgrade. Catalina gives you nothing of value in return. Perhaps wait for 10.16 to see if the debacle and brand damage of 10.15 and iOS 13 has convinced Apple to review and improve their quality assurance processes.
The problems I've seen with TextMate are problems with TextMate, not problems caused by Catalina. If TextMate is fine for you on Mojave, it will be fine for you on Catalina.
It is also true, as others have said, that Catalina itself is terrible. Don't upgrade if you don't have to. (I had to put Catalina on one machine, in order to do certain kinds of Xcode development.) Basically it's a major system upgrade with zero testing. The horror stories about losing all your email should be enough to keep you off it. Plus iTunes becomes the atrocious Music app, so it's best if you don't have any music.
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On Feb 24, 2020, at 12:36 PM, Curt Sellmer sellmerfud@gmail.com wrote:
I have put off upgrading to Catalina because of people here reporting TextMate issues after upgrading. Problems with menus, etc.
Could anyone who is using Catalina offer any advice on whether it would be best to stay with Mojave or if the problems with Catalina are minor and no big deal. I use TextMate daily for work and don't want to upgrade if it is going to cause prblems with my productivity.
Thanks.
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Thanks for the helpful replies.
I'm going to stay with Mojave for now as I don't not have a compelling need for any of the new "features" in Catalina.
With any luck, the next [California Place Name] will be better!
Walter
On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Curt Sellmer sellmerfud@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks for the helpful replies.
I'm going to stay with Mojave for now as I don't not have a compelling need for any of the new "features" in Catalina.
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