Can you drag from e.g. Mail's compose window w/o problems, or do you experience the same deselecting problem there?
No - After a little comparison, I'd say Mail is more tolerant about the ever so slight moves of the cursor coming from the use of the Intuos tablet. If I'm careful not to move at all in TextMate, it works fine, but if I just work as usual, 1 out of 3 times, it will deselect... In Mail, it just works perfectly...
I pulled out my old mouse from the box to compare and, as I suspected, I don't have the same problem. I guess that's enough to confirm my suppositions.
I suggested the idea of a pref for the app so that people who like the default behavior won't see any modification as a regression. Although the problem might not effect a majority of the TextMate users (how many people use tablets for everything on their computer?), it is still a very fundamental part of the feature set. That's why I believe it deserves a little attention (read: "slider" :)
On 19/08/2005, at 7.16, minimal.design wrote:
Can you drag from e.g. Mail's compose window w/o problems, or do you experience the same deselecting problem there?
No - After a little comparison, I'd say Mail is more tolerant about the ever so slight moves of the cursor coming from the use of the Intuos tablet. If I'm careful not to move at all in TextMate, it works fine, but if I just work as usual, 1 out of 3 times, it will deselect... In Mail, it just works perfectly...
hmm... so it would seem that Mail has some threshold for clicking and moving, before it actually starts a selection (or drag for that matter)?
I pulled out my old mouse from the box to compare and, as I suspected, I don't have the same problem. I guess that's enough to confirm my suppositions.
Do you know if the tablet report fractional coordinates? That might be the difference, i.e. that TM is seeing movements of only a fraction of a pixel, which Mail ignores. I can try to truncate the coordinates.
Although the problem might not effect a majority of the TextMate users (how many people use tablets for everything on their computer?), it is still a very fundamental part of the feature set. That's why I believe it deserves a little attention (read: "slider" :)
Sorry to be blunt, but this idea strikes me as absurd ;)
a) you will be able to disable re-selection in b17 (see my other letter on the subject) b) if Mail doesn't have the problem, clearly it's just a matter of replicating what Mail does, rather than let the user work it out by disabling features.
On 8/22/05, Allan Odgaard allan@macromates.com wrote:
b) if Mail doesn't have the problem, clearly it's just a matter of replicating what Mail does, rather than let the user work it out by disabling features.
Here's how it feels like to me in Mail: if you start a selection while the mouse is moving, it always starts a new selection. If you are staitionary when you start, it always drags. Perhaps that just means the timeout is set to a number smaller than it takes me to click the mouse down and start dragging :)
Douglas
On 22/08/2005, at 13.59, Douglas Livingstone wrote:
Here's how it feels like to me in Mail: if you start a selection while the mouse is moving, it always starts a new selection. If you are staitionary when you start, it always drags.
This is actually not true for me; I just did some testing. There _is_ a delay, however quite minute, so dragging _right_ after clicking will not drag, but change the selection.
-- Sune.
On 19/08/2005, at 7.16, minimal.design wrote:
Can you drag from e.g. Mail's compose window w/o problems, or do you experience the same deselecting problem there?
No - After a little comparison, I'd say Mail is more tolerant about the ever so slight moves of the cursor coming from the use of the Intuos tablet.
Please re-test this with 1.1b17 and let me know if TM is now as tolerant as Mail.
If not, you can always execute: defaults write com.macromates.textmate NSDragAndDropTextDelay 0
But it would be interesting to know what Mail then does to achieve its tolerance.
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