Greetings,
Someone mentioned XCode top bars this morning (which I think is an excellent idea, much better than my previous scroll bars adorners attempt imho) when I was actually about to post updated mockups as well :)
Here they are anyway:
I think it looks better than the bottom status bar, and it leaves room (which was a valid concern) for possible additions, popups, buttons, whatever.
It looks even better in the project window because it makes a better separation between the tabs and the editing pane:
Thoughts ?
PS: question for the list moderators: what is the preferred method to post screenshots on the list ? Attached pictures have to go through moderator approval, which is obvious, so do you prefer URLs for example ?
On 9. Oct 2004, at 12:51, Luc Heinrich wrote:
I think it looks better than the bottom status bar, and it leaves room (which was a valid concern) for possible additions, popups, buttons, whatever.
Certainly! I didn't like the bottom status bar you initially did (but I really like the other things you've done!), And I do seem to recall that somewhere in AHIG it says, that using the scroll bars for info (which had a special gadget in Classic) should be avoided when possible.
Thoughts ?
I really like it! I hope to incorporate all your visual changes in 1.0.2 (1.0.1 will mostly be bug fixes and behavior fixes).
PS: question for the list moderators: what is the preferred method to post screenshots on the list ? Attached pictures have to go through moderator approval, which is obvious, so do you prefer URLs for example ?
For me it's most convenient to receive the mockups as inline images, but I don't know if the other list members like this, mostly it's a question of what bandwidth people have. Normally I think it's frowned upon to send large attachments to mailing lists. But OTOH we all love to look at nice images ;)
Though David is currently setting up a wiki, I think then we should move much of this to the wiki (but then you'll have to host the images on your own site).
Kind regards Allan
Could someone please make these mock-ups available for me to see off-list or via the new wiki. Had a problem with my e-mail for a few days, so I missed the original attachments and the List Archives does not show them.
Just very curious by nature : )
Thanks in advance.
Kind regards,
Mats
On Oct 9, 2004, at 14:36, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On 9. Oct 2004, at 12:51, Luc Heinrich wrote:
I think it looks better than the bottom status bar, and it leaves room (which was a valid concern) for possible additions, popups, buttons, whatever.
Certainly! I didn't like the bottom status bar you initially did (but I really like the other things you've done!), And I do seem to recall that somewhere in AHIG it says, that using the scroll bars for info (which had a special gadget in Classic) should be avoided when possible.
Thoughts ?
I really like it! I hope to incorporate all your visual changes in 1.0.2 (1.0.1 will mostly be bug fixes and behavior fixes).
PS: question for the list moderators: what is the preferred method to post screenshots on the list ? Attached pictures have to go through moderator approval, which is obvious, so do you prefer URLs for example ?
For me it's most convenient to receive the mockups as inline images, but I don't know if the other list members like this, mostly it's a question of what bandwidth people have. Normally I think it's frowned upon to send large attachments to mailing lists. But OTOH we all love to look at nice images ;)
Though David is currently setting up a wiki, I think then we should move much of this to the wiki (but then you'll have to host the images on your own site).
Kind regards Allan
Could someone please make these mock-ups available for me to see off-list or via the new wiki. Had a problem with my e-mail for a few days, so I missed the original attachments and the List Archives does not show them.
Just published one of my mock-ups on the official wiki (http://wiki.macromates.com/). I put it under my own "Author" page for now, Specific feature illustrations may go elsewhere, but this is just a snapshot of my current progress.
hp.
On 09/10/2004, at 8:51 PM, Luc Heinrich wrote:
It looks even better in the project window because it makes a better separation between the tabs and the editing pane:
Those tabs need a little work... personally I'd like to see a direct emulation of either Safari's tabs, or of the OS X native "tabs"... anything else is just asking the user to familiarise themselves with yet another tab design... yes, they're pretty much the same, but not THE SAME :)
Otherwise, I love your work Luc!
I like smart interface people in general of course :)
Justin French
On 9. Oct 2004, at 16:10, Justin French wrote:
It looks even better in the project window because it makes a better separation between the tabs and the editing pane:
Those tabs need a little work... personally I'd like to see a direct emulation of either Safari's tabs, or of the OS X native "tabs"... anything else is just asking the user to familiarise themselves with yet another tab design... yes, they're pretty much the same, but not THE SAME :)
One thing to keep in mind is the dragability of tabs. I also intend to add animation to this later (and perhaps zoom/un-zoom when adding/deleting tabs). So the graphics should preferably allow a tag to be a separate item, i.e. one which can be torn out of the bar and stand on its own.
Kind regards Allan
I love all the mock-ups that have been submitted to address UI and usibility issues. Great stuff!
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