Hi all,
I've just watched the insert_html_tag movie, and I cannot reproduce the "overtype the tag name" action, where replacing the opening tag - p by div - is mirrored at the closing tag. When I do it, the closing tag is not modified.
"tab into the body of the tag" doesn't work either (it just inserts a tab character, instead of having the cursor jump into the tag body area).
What am I doing wrong?
Alain
On 2/5/2006, at 20:45, Alain Ravet wrote:
I've just watched the insert_html_tag movie, and I cannot reproduce the "overtype the tag name" action, where replacing the opening tag - p by div - is mirrored at the closing tag. When I do it, the closing tag is not modified.
Did you use the “Wrap in Open/Close Tag” snippet?
Allan
> Did you use the “Wrap in Open/Close Tag” snippet?
Yes (I guess you meant the "Insert Open/Close tag command).
When I type
p Ctrl-< back shift-back div
, I end up with <div></p>
I tried many variations to no avail: forcing the file type to html, switching the edit mode to 'overwrite'...
Alain
Allan
>> > Did you use the “Wrap in Open/Close Tag” snippet? >> Yes >> (I guess you meant the "Insert Open/Close tag command). > > No. Ctrl-shift W to wrap selection…
1/ I followed exactly the screencast first 30 seconds, where Ctrl-< is used to create and change <p></p> into <div></div>
2/ When I use Ctrl-Shift-W, I end up with <p>p</p> , and I still can't have the closing tag mirror opening tag changes.
Alain
On 3 May 2006, at 00:38, Alain Ravet wrote:
2/ When I use Ctrl-Shift-W, I end up with
<p>p</p> , and I still can't have the closing tag mirror opening tag changes.
Try the following: - Create a new HTML document. - Type some random text, say "foo". - Select it. - Hit ctrl-shift-W.
The text should now read "<p>foo</p>", with the first "p" selected. Type "h1" and you will end up with "<h1>foo</h1>".
-- Max
Max > Try the following: .. That works fine for me, but it's not what's demoed in the screencast.
Alain
Try the following:
- Create a new HTML document.
- Type some random text, say "foo".
- Select it.
- Hit ctrl-shift-W.
The text should now read "<p>foo</p>", with the first "p" selected. Type "h1" and you will end up with "<h1>foo</h1>".
-- Max
On May 2, 2006, at 5:38 PM, Alain Ravet wrote:
Allan
Did you use the “Wrap in Open/Close Tag” snippet?
Yes (I guess you meant the "Insert Open/Close tag command).
No. Ctrl-shift W to wrap selection…
1/ I followed exactly the screencast first 30 seconds, where Ctrl-< is used to create and change <p></p> into <div></div>
2/ When I use Ctrl-Shift-W, I end up with
<p>p</p> , and I still can't have the closing tag mirror opening tag changes.
I just opened TextMate and the screencast and followed Allan's actions. It all worked for me exactly as shown.
James Edward Gray II
James > I just opened TextMate and the screencast and followed Allan's actions. > It all worked for me exactly as shown.
So when you type
p Ctrl-< back shift-back div
, you end up with <div></div>
, and not <div></p> like I do?
Alain
Alain, I think you don't need to type the first p. When you do CTRL-<, it default to putting in the p tags:
<p></p>
with the first p highlighted. At that point, if you start typing, you can overwrite the "p" with "div".
-matt
On 5/2/06, Dan Weeks textmate@danimal.org wrote:
On 2006-05-03 01:10:14 +0200, Alain Ravet wrote:
, and not <div></p> like I do?
Could this be a mis-match with features and versions? What release of TextMate are you using?
Dan
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Dan > Could this be a mis-match with features and versions? What release of > TextMate are you using?
I'm using the latest version of TextMate- 985 - and MacOS. I even cleaned my local /Library/Application Support/Textmate directories, both in ~and in root. I have a G4 PB, with a Belgian keyboard. Textmate is installed in the Application directory.
I'm clueless.
Alain
On May 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Alain Ravet wrote:
So when you type
p Ctrl-< back shift-back div
The snippet does not wrap the tag in a tab trigger when used this way and Allan does not do this in the movie. :)
James Edward Gray II
James
> The snippet does not wrap the tag in a tab trigger when used this way > and Allan does not do this in the movie. :)
OK. I got this one - p => div - corrected, but the same problem still occurs a little later - div => DIV, and all I get is: <DIV id="entry"></div>
, instead of <DIV id="entry"></DIV>
Is there a special way to select the starting 'div', to trigger the change mirroring?
Alain
On May 2, 2006, at 6:10 PM, Alain Ravet wrote:
So when you type p Ctrl-< back shift-back div
The snippet does not wrap the tag in a tab trigger when used this way and Allan does not do this in the movie. :)
On May 2, 2006, at 6:29 PM, Alain Ravet wrote:
James
> The snippet does not wrap the tag in a tab trigger when usedthis way > and Allan does not do this in the movie. :)
OK. I got this one - p => div - corrected, but the same problem still occurs a little later - div => DIV, and all I get is: <DIV id="entry"></div>
, instead of <DIV id="entry"></DIV>
Is there a special way to select the starting 'div', to trigger the change mirroring?
Do this:
1. control - shift - < 2. Type: div id="whatever" 3. Arrow back until you are just after the v in div 4. control - u
Hope that helps.
James Edward Gray II
James > Do this: > 1. control - shift - < > 2. Type: div id="whatever" > 3. Arrow back until you are just after the v in div > 4. control - u > > Hope that helps.
It did, thanks (for 1. I pressed control-<, no shift)
, except that I couldn't replicate the double change mirroring that Alan does in the screencast :
div => DIV => div
I can only do div => DIV , but that's already a progress.
Alain
On May 2, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Alain Ravet wrote:
James
Do this:
- control - shift - <
- Type: div id="whatever"
- Arrow back until you are just after the v in div
- control - u
Hope that helps.
It did, thanks (for 1. I pressed control-<, no shift)
Technically, you can't really press the "<" without also pressing the shift key, as "<" is a shifted comma (as it were). At least on US/ English keyboards. So I'm not really sure what keys you were pressing there!
That is: "^-<" is the same as "^-shift-," [On my keyboard, anyway]
, except that I couldn't replicate the double change mirroring that Alan does in the screencast :
div => DIV => divI can only do div => DIV , but that's already a progress.
Alain
Pressing those keys when there is NOT a selection should result in
<p></p>
appearing in the editor, with the first p highlighted. Anything you then type will replace BOTH p's.
Just after the part where Allan's movie show's div => DIV => div you can hear him say
"Then I can tab into the body of this tag..."
That's a critical bit of info. Once you move the insertion point outside of the enclosing angle brackets, the "mirroring magic" will be permanently gone. Although its not visible, the editor (or perhaps the text in question) is in a special state when it's first created by the "^-<" keystroke.
You can change the first tag, and those changes will be mirrored in the second tag but ONLY up to the point where you press <tab> or otherwise move the insertion point OUTSIDE of the angle brackets.
eo
Eric O'Brien wrote:
That's a critical bit of info. Once you move the insertion point outside of the enclosing angle brackets, the "mirroring magic" will be permanently gone. Although its not visible, the editor (or perhaps the text in question) is in a special state when it's first created by the "^-<" keystroke.
Speaking of which, maybe could maybe be some sort of indication when in one of the placeholders of a snippet. It's sometimes hard to tell when you can shift-tab back and when you can't.
Also, I quite often use undo when I'm in a snippet, and find myself knocked out of the snippet state. A request: undo shouldn't take me out of snippet mode. It's disorienting and sometimes necessitates going further so I can start the snippet over again.
-Jacob
On 3/5/2006, at 8:18, Jacob Rus wrote:
[...] Speaking of which, maybe could maybe be some sort of indication when in one of the placeholders of a snippet. It's sometimes hard to tell when you can shift-tab back and when you can't.
I am postponing this till we have dynamic scopes, so themes can provide this,
Also, I quite often use undo when I'm in a snippet, and find myself knocked out of the snippet state. A request: undo shouldn't take me out of snippet mode. It's disorienting and sometimes necessitates going further so I can start the snippet over again.
Initially undo worked fine for snippets, but when I redid the stuff to have the regexp mirroring and whatnot, it just got to complex to support both. It will be back to org. behavior whenever I find the time and motivation to work on this part again.
Eric O'Brien wrote: > Technically, you can't really press the "<" without also pressing the > shift key, as "<" is a shifted comma (as it were). At least on > US/English keyboards. So I'm not really sure what keys you were > pressing there!
On Belgian keyboards, < and > share the same key, with '>" being the shifted one.
> Just after the part where Allan's movie show's div => DIV => div you > can hear him say
OK. I finally made it. My mistake was to repeat Ctrl-U, instead of Ctrl-U & Shift-Ctrl-U.
Thanks to everybody for your patience.
Alain
Scripsit Eric O'Brien diē 3.5.2006 6:58:
On May 2, 2006, at 5:16 PM, Alain Ravet wrote:
James
[using ^-<]
Changing an already existing pair of tags (i.e. one not just inserted using ^-<) only works for me using Home and End keys, as suggested in Duane's screencast and provided in his bundle advertised yesterday… Is that what you are looking for, Alain?
It did, thanks (for 1. I pressed control-<, no shift)
Technically, you can't really press the "<" without also pressing the shift key, as "<" is a shifted comma (as it were). At least on US/ English keyboards. So I'm not really sure what keys you were pressing there!
That is: "^-<" is the same as "^-shift-," [On my keyboard, anyway]
On my keyboard, ^-shift-< means ^->, because on a German keyboard, "<" is on the additional key found on (most? all?) European keyboards.
(This is a problem with some few TextMate mappings; especially mappings with the [shift and] option key can be annoying if one regularly uses the special characters that can be produced this way. But fortunately nobody has come up with the idea of standardly mapping something to Opt-l = @ or Opt-e = €! For the same reason, any mapping containing something like Opt-\ doesn't work: Opt-Shift-7 => Opt-/ or Shift-| => . Sorry for the digression.)
[...]
Just after the part where Allan's movie show's div => DIV => div you can hear him say
"Then I can tab into the body of this tag..."
... and tab back, Shift-Tab on my keyboard ;-), to change the just inserted enclosing tags. Very nice, indeed. Why is it restricted to text.html in the "official" bundle, because it might make sense for text.xml etc., too?
Cheers, Bernhard
On 3/5/2006, at 10:07, Theorik wrote:
[...] This is a problem with some few TextMate mappings; especially mappings with the [shift and] option key can be annoying if one regularly uses the special characters that can be produced this way.
My policy here is that most European layouts are already broken, and I encourage everyone who can, to switch to the US keymap, it is such a productivity gain when coding/using the shell, to have easy to reach /, , [, ], {, }, |, ;, :, etc. key.
Of course I know some perceive this almost as saying “boot into Windows” :p
Le Wed 3/05/2006, Allan Odgaard disait
On 3/5/2006, at 10:07, Theorik wrote:
[...] This is a problem with some few TextMate mappings; especially mappings with the [shift and] option key can be annoying if one regularly uses the special characters that can be produced this way.
My policy here is that most European layouts are already broken, and I encourage everyone who can, to switch to the US keymap, it is such a productivity gain when coding/using the shell, to have easy to reach /, , [, ], {, }, |, ;, :, etc. key.
Of course I know some perceive this almost as saying “boot into Windows” :p
But my powerbook was sold with a french keyboard, and I also need some strange characters like éèà...
On 3/5/2006, at 10:57, Erwan David wrote:
[...] Of course I know some perceive this almost as saying “boot into Windows” :p
But my powerbook was sold with a french keyboard, and I also need some strange characters like éèà...
I myself need æøå / ÆØÅ and sometimes é.
I have just learned the option-keys for these (and dead keys for the accented characters). I write far less danish prose than I write code, so this is an overall gain. And it’s definitely easier to press option-a for å then it is to press opt-shift 7, 8, 9 for , {, } respectively, or even cmd-opt-shift 8/9 for previous/next tab in Safari ;)
I actually ordered an international keyboard by accident, but as they say, there are no accidents -- I was already pretty fed up with the danish layout at the time, and I knew that DHH was a proponent for the US keymap (he’s also a Dane), so it was certainly a good mistake I made ordering that keyboard.
Scripsit Allan Odgaard diē 3.5.2006 10:51:
On 3/5/2006, at 10:07, Theorik wrote:
[...] This is a problem with some few TextMate mappings; especially mappings with the [shift and] option key can be annoying if one regularly uses the special characters that can be produced this way.
My policy here is that most European layouts are already broken, and
You cannot judge this, I'm afraid. For a much to detailed explanation, see below.
I encourage everyone who can, to switch to the US keymap, it is such a productivity gain when coding/using the shell, to have easy to reach /, , [, ], {, }, |, ;, :, etc. key.
Of course I know some perceive this almost as saying “boot into Windows” :p
Not supporting non-US keyboard layouts is a severe limitation and should be stated clearly in the manual and on the web page. (This is not to say that it makes no sense – it probably does make sense for you.)
Had I read your recommendation earlier, I wouldn't have paid for TextMate – seriously. You don't offer a refund, do you?
Cheers, Bernhard
<waffle> As you don't take the point of hiding special characters seriuosly, what you're saying seems that you refuse to support TextMate outside of the domains of (a) writing English or (classical) Latin text and (b) programming in languages restricted to 7bit character sets (c) using an US English keyboard. This may is fine (but should be stated clearly!) and may cover the majority of your users – it just doesn't cover me.
Your recommendation is indeed a lot like saying “boot into Windows…” – for many things, Windows works (at least in the beginning, although in my experience, it deteriorates quite fast), maybe a bit less convenient than a unixoid system. The standard US keyboard doesn't work for me, so you should continue your suggestion “…to run TextMate”.
I don't use a text editor only for programme code[0] but also for typing text (I even have text messages in my programmes – most of them containing 8bit characters), so I want to easily type both (especially) German and other “common” characters (yes, this is not specific, and it changes according to what I type about and who I cite or whose music I listen to[1] etc.) and the characters needed for coding LaTeX etc. The easiest way to have part of this is using a German keyboard layout; I don't mind using the option key a log – I do mind using the character table all the time.[2] Another option would be building my own keyboard with more (modifier) keys; for practical reasons, I refrain from this (fitting such a keyboard on my laptop might prove difficult).
A last question to close my rant: Why do you offer a choice between UTF-8 and ISO-8859 encodings? They are equivalent to ASCII for all purposes you develop TextMate for.[3]
[0] Even most programming languages I use are able to use 8bit encodings – why shouldn't I use them? Most programmes will never cross the borders of my city, even less the Atlantic.
[1] E.g. I like Dvořák – why shouldn't I be able type his name correctly? (By the way: he didn't invent the similar-sounding keyboard!) The same for the names of Central European cities that are geographically much closer to me than the US cities with their ASCII names?
[2] In fact, the German (and other?) keyboard layout of XFree / X.org as found on Linux, FreeBSD etc. offers most flexibility if you activate the compose key; the Apple keyboard layout is already a lot better than the standard Windows layout. Obviously, you cannot have everything.
[3] It would have greater potential, you know? </waffle>
On 03 May 2006, at 11:42, Theorik wrote:
I encourage everyone who can, to switch to the US keymap, it is such a productivity gain when coding/using the shell, to have easy to reach /, , [, ], {, }, |, ;, :, etc. key. Of course I know some perceive this almost as saying “boot into Windows” :p
Not supporting non-US keyboard layouts is a severe limitation and should be stated clearly in the manual and on the web page. (This is not to say that it makes no sense – it probably does make sense for you.)
Had I read your recommendation earlier, I wouldn't have paid for TextMate – seriously. You don't offer a refund, do you?
Cheers, Bernhard
I think you should refrain from making statement like that Allan, really.
My keyboards were, are and will be AZERTY. - Being forced to make option + whatever then the letter to have accented chars would be plain stupid in french. - I'm used to azerty and a 20+ year habit is hard to change. - It would be a nightmare every time I'd have to use something else that my macs (@ work, etc.) - I don't write to my friends by coding/using the shell. - I don't want to use the option key every time I write my name. ;)
Why not asking me to stop speaking french altogether?
The only thing that piss me off on my belgian keyboard is the need to use shift to get a dot, but I changed in 10s with the free Ukelele[1]
[1]http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/14495
On the other hand I don't understand you neither, Bernhard. What's so hard about changing a keybinding or two??? e.g. I changed cmd + [ to cmd + (, etc.
If you are ready to drop TM for such a minor thing, I wonder why you bought it first...
-- FredB a.k.a Frédéric Ballériaux
Scripsit Fred B. diē 3.5.2006 12:39:
On the other hand I don't understand you neither, Bernhard. What's so hard about changing a keybinding or two??? e.g. I changed cmd + [ to cmd + (, etc.
Changing a key binding or two is not a big thing, but if Allan decides what keyboard I should use and seems to say that the others are unsupported and irrelevant[1], I don't want to use the programme – maybe he has other ideas on how I should work, too. After Allan's last comment, I see no big problem at all.
(But of course, at the wrong moment, even changing a key binding or two can be annoying (AFAIK there is no list of key bindings by "mode") so I stumble upon conflicts by accident and have to guess which key combinations are still "free" – not so smart, but I am certainly able to live with it, now that I understood how key bindings in OS X work.)
[1] That's how I understood him first, but he has relativated nearly everything he said. So let's just say there were two people who ridiculously got in a fight about keyboard layouts.
If you are ready to drop TM for such a minor thing, I wonder why you bought it first...
I liked it, it integrated with programmes I use, the developer seemed to be helpful generally. That's why I was irritated when he seemed quite arrogant at what I thought was easier to take care of on his side than on mine (but maybe the idea that people shouln't be able to shadow Alt bindings was just as arrogant as I thought it was to shadow Alt bindings in "standard" bundles. Sorry.)
Cheers, Bernhard
On 3/5/2006, at 13:35, Theorik wrote:
What's so hard about changing a keybinding or two??? e.g. I changed cmd + [ to cmd + (, etc.
For the records, TextMate actually offer option-tab and option-shift- tab as out-of-the-box alternatives to cmd-[, and cmd-] (because the keys are so awkward on most European keyboard layouts).
[...] maybe he has other ideas on how I should work, too.
Oh, I indeed have _many_ ideas about how people should work. Every single feature in TextMate (or lack of same) is representative of my idea about how _you_ should work!
[...] but maybe the idea that people shouln't be able to shadow Alt bindings was just as arrogant as I thought it was to shadow Alt bindings in "standard" bundles. Sorry.)
No TextMate function should by default be placed solely on alt (option) + key. If you do encounter such bindings, let me know.
As for the cmd-option-\ that you have mentioned, not really sure if you are just using that as an example of an unreachable key?
On the US keymap, btw, cmd-option-\ is toggle smoothing when in zoom mode (that is, an Apple defined key). This key is however not tied to the actual character on the key, as with the danish keymap, the key becomes cmd-option-', which coincidentally is “Decrease Quote Level” in Mail (and TextMate as well), making that function unavailable (via the keyboard) when in zoom mode.
Scripsit Allan Odgaard diē 3.5.2006 13:58:
On 3/5/2006, at 13:35, Theorik wrote:
[...] maybe he has other ideas on how I should work, too.
Oh, I indeed have _many_ ideas about how people should work. Every single feature in TextMate (or lack of same) is representative of my idea about how _you_ should work!
Exactly. And most of them are obvious and well-documented; and many of these, I like. The keyboard "recommendation"/"order"[1] wasn't obvious at all and had it been as serious as I thought it was, I wouldn't have liked it/you/TextMate any more at all.
By the way, aren't you exaggerating a bit? If the lack of features is in each and every case carefully provided by you, why do you have such a lot of features in your to-do list?
[1] Sorry again for the strong reaction, but I've heard this missionary keyboard recommendation too often from people who only write programmes with their computer – and even for email use some strange TeXnical encodings ("a,"o,"u,"s,…) that could have been obsolete a long time otherwise. I just don't want to be converted to [read but especially] write like this, and as I respect other people's conventions and “/"d@Unt raIt/” in SAMPA or IPA transcription, even though it may be easier to write than English orthography, I also expect some consideration for my working/writing habits from others, too…
[...] but maybe the idea that people shouln't be able to shadow Alt bindings was just as arrogant as I thought it was to shadow Alt bindings in "standard" bundles. Sorry.)
No TextMate function should by default be placed solely on alt (option) + key. If you do encounter such bindings, let me know.
Scanning through the bundles, I only noticed such bindings in the bundle of Duane Johnson (Alt-S/F, entirely my choice to install it, easy to change…) and some unreachable keys.
Again: there is no keyboard overview for TextMate shortcuts, is there? (I imagine it would be quite difficult to programme, anyway.)
As for the cmd-option-\ that you have mentioned, not really sure if you are just using that as an example of an unreachable key?
Yes. Cmd-Option-[ would be another (I think that was "Indent Line"; at least I remapped this function).
Cheers, Bernhard
On May 3, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Theorik wrote:
By the way, aren't you exaggerating a bit? If the lack of features is in each and every case carefully provided by you, why do you have such a lot of features in your to-do list?
Because he decided those features could wait, forcing his opinion of you yet again. ;)
James Edward Gray II
There is the "Show keyboard shortcuts" in the TextMate bundle, bound to ctrl-opt-cmd-K over here. This will show you all things in the bundles. Is that not enough? I think there was some other little program out there that did something like that.
On May 3, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Theorik wrote:
Again: there is no keyboard overview for TextMate shortcuts, is there? (I imagine it would be quite difficult to programme, anyway.)
Haris
Scripsit Charilaos Skiadas die- 3.5.2006 15:39:
There is the "Show keyboard shortcuts" in the TextMate bundle, bound to ctrl-opt-cmd-K over here. This will show you all things in the bundles. Is that not enough? I think there was some other little program out there that did something like that.
It's good for finding what function is bound to what key. It's not much help for deciding what key is free but probably it's possible to invert the list? Thanks very much for the hint!
Bernhard
On May 3, 2006, at 8:24 AM, Theorik wrote:
Again: there is no keyboard overview for TextMate shortcuts, is there? (I imagine it would be quite difficult to programme, anyway.)
Haris
On May 3, 2006, at 11:38 AM, Theorik wrote:
It's good for finding what function is bound to what key. It's not much help for deciding what key is free – but probably it's possible to invert the list? Thanks very much for the hint!
Oh, for that I just try the key I want to use and see if it does anything. Sometimes it is ok if it does something else as well. My first criteria are: Is it easy to remember? Is it easy to type? Does it conform to the key equivalents guidelines? (http://macromates.com/ textmate/manual/key_bindings#conventions)
Bernhard
Haris
On 3/5/2006, at 11:42, Theorik wrote:
[...] Not supporting non-US keyboard layouts is a severe limitation and should be stated clearly in the manual and on the web page.
Relax -- I did write that my statement would read akin to “boot into Windows”. Of course I do support non-US keyboard layouts, but there is really nothing I can do about the fact that some key equivalents are awkward. They are that in Apple’s programs as well (as previous/ next tab in Safari).
I think the main problem was that I felt by what I understood as your telling me how to work with TextMate (or be ignored and irrelevant) – without knowing me or my what I do, and judging from Fred's reply this wasn't so far from how he understood you. Thank you very much for clarifying your support criteria!
Scripsit Allan Odgaard diē 3.5.2006 12:40:
On 3/5/2006, at 11:42, Theorik wrote:
[...] Not supporting non-US keyboard layouts is a severe limitation and should be stated clearly in the manual and on the web page.
Relax -- I did write that my statement would read akin to “boot into
I am relaxed, thanks. From time to time I feel like trolling when provoked by a what I perceive as a utterly stupid statement.[1]
Windows”. Of course I do support non-US keyboard layouts, but there is really nothing I can do about the fact that some key equivalents are awkward. They are that in Apple’s programs as well (as previous/ next tab in Safari).
Command-Option-Ä/Ö are a bit awkward, but feasible. Cmd-Alt-\ just isn't (on my keyboard with a German Mac layout). So I have to remap (that's OK); if something gets hard-mapped to Alt-E (€), I have a little problem when I hit on it at the wrong time; no big problem, indeed, but sometimes tedious. For the rest, see my other post.
([1] Some things just aren't mitigated enough by saying: "You won't like this", are they? “Boot into Windows!” *g*)
Cheers, Bernhard
On May 3, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Theorik wrote:
I think the main problem was that I felt by what I understood as your telling me how to work with TextMate (or be ignored and irrelevant) – without knowing me or my what I do, and judging from Fred's reply this wasn't so far from how he understood you.
There's a very simple solution to this debate. All we need is TextMate support for this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=382504
Trevor
Scripsit Trevor Harmon die- 3.5.2006 19:16:
On May 3, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Theorik wrote:
I think the main problem was that I felt by what I understood as your telling me how to work with TextMate (or be ignored and irrelevant) – without knowing me or my what I do, and judging from Fred's reply this wasn't so far from how he understood you.
There's a very simple solution to this debate. All we need is TextMate support for this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=382504
Great, when will the TextMind bundle be ready?
Bernhard
Scripsit Trevor Harmon diē 3.5.2006 19:16:
On May 3, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Theorik wrote:
I think the main problem was that I felt by what I understood as your telling me how to work with TextMate (or be ignored and irrelevant) – without knowing me or my what I do, and judging from Fred's reply this wasn't so far from how he understood you.
There's a very simple solution to this debate. All we need is TextMate support for this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=382504
Great, thanks! When will this TextMind bundle be ready?
Bernhard
Scripsit Theorik diē 3.5.2006 19:44:
Scripsit Trevor Harmon diē 3.5.2006 19:16:
On May 3, 2006, at 4:35 AM, Theorik wrote:
I think the main problem was that I felt by what I understood as your telling me how to work with TextMate (or be ignored and irrelevant) – without knowing me or my what I do, and judging from Fred's reply this wasn't so far from how he understood you.
There's a very simple solution to this debate. All we need is TextMate support for this:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html? in_article_id=382504
Great, thanks! When will this TextMind bundle be ready?
Sorry, I'm to new to Mac OS to always remember that ESC can be taken as confirmation – sorry for posting twice! (No, for once I'm not complaining.)
Bernhard
PS: Sometimes I wonder whether such apologies do more harm than good by abusing innocent bits that could do a lot for other people. Sorry again.
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