I'm getting a bit more into textmate, and, that has brought me to some less newbie questions, but, things that have been bothering me:
1) Where can I find a list of keyboard shortcuts? The other day I wanted to comment out a block of text, but had to google to figure out ⌘-/
2) I'm ready to start playing with projects some -- and, from my lurking on this list, it seems that the default project stuff isn't very capable. What is a good project bundle to start playing with?
Thanks in advance,
-Dave
Perfect! Thanks!
-Dave
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:10 PM, Philip v. Winterfeldt < info@vonwinterfeldt.com> wrote:
- Where can I find a list of keyboard shortcuts?
Control-Option-Command-K is the shortcut to the list of keyboard shortcuts.
Philip
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or invoke CTRL+APPLE+T
type something in like 'comment' to get a list of commands and their shortcut.
If you click at the magnifier and select key equivalents then you can enter a shortcut to see the commands bound to it.
--Hans
Wow -- that one roxxors too! Thanks!
-Dave
On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 12:59 PM, Hans-Jörg Bibiko bibiko@eva.mpg.dewrote:
or invoke CTRL+APPLE+T
type something in like 'comment' to get a list of commands and their shortcut.
If you click at the magnifier and select key equivalents then you can enter a shortcut to see the commands bound to it.
--Hans
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Philip v.Winterfeldt schrieb:
Control-Option-Command-K is the shortcut to the list of keyboard shortcuts.
Yes, and like many other shortcuts, it doesn't work on my German keyboard. What comes up instead is Textmate's "Connect to Server" dialog.
You know, I'm used to the shortcuts containing pipes, slashes and so on to not work on my "exotic" layout, but I'm completely at a loss concerning why such a "regular" shortcut doesn't work.
I'm using version 1.5.8 (1498) under 10.5.6, and I haven't set any keyboard shortcut settings in OSX itself. I've tried the shortcut both with a RoR project open and with nothing whatsoever open, no success. I can open the window through Bundles -> Textmate -> Show Keyboard Shortcuts, but not via keyboard shortcut. If this isn't meta, I don't know. :-)
If there's anyone else with a non-US keyboard who has ideas on how to make Textmate's shortcuts usable, I'm all ears. ;)
Thorsten
Hi,
On 25.02.2009, at 11:49, Thorsten Hamann wrote:
Philip v.Winterfeldt schrieb:
Control-Option-Command-K is the shortcut to the list of keyboard shortcuts.
Yes, and like many other shortcuts, it doesn't work on my German keyboard. What comes up instead is Textmate's "Connect to Server" dialog.
Works fine here. On my german MBP.
You know, I'm used to the shortcuts containing pipes, slashes and so on to not work on my "exotic" layout, but I'm completely at a loss concerning why such a "regular" shortcut doesn't work.
I'm using version 1.5.8 (1498) under 10.5.6, and I haven't set any keyboard shortcut settings in OSX itself. I've tried the shortcut both with a RoR project open and with nothing whatsoever open, no success. I can open the window through Bundles -> Textmate -> Show Keyboard Shortcuts, but not via keyboard shortcut. If this isn't meta, I don't know. :-)
Using the same TM and OSX version.
If there's anyone else with a non-US keyboard who has ideas on how to make Textmate's shortcuts usable, I'm all ears. ;)
Have you defined some custom short cuts in the Systemsettings or do you have an application running in the background that catches the shortcut?
adi
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Hi,
Hi,
On 25.02.2009, at 11:49, Thorsten Hamann wrote:
Philip v.Winterfeldt schrieb:
Control-Option-Command-K is the shortcut to the list of keyboard shortcuts.
Yes, and like many other shortcuts, it doesn't work on my German keyboard. What comes up instead is Textmate's "Connect to Server" dialog.
Works fine here. On my german MBP.
Same for me. German MBP and OSX and no problems whatsoever.
Bye,
Carsten
On 25.02.2009, at 11:49, Thorsten Hamann wrote:
Philip v.Winterfeldt schrieb:
Control-Option-Command-K is the shortcut to the list of keyboard shortcuts.
Yes, and like many other shortcuts, it doesn't work on my German keyboard. What comes up instead is Textmate's "Connect to Server" dialog.
As far as I know there is no "Connect to server" command in TM but in Finder if you press APPLE+K. Thus make sure that TextMate is active while pressing CTRL+OPT+APPLE+K and that you did not change the key bindings for metachars in System Preferences > Keyboard/Mouse > Modifier Keys.
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
--Hans
On 25.02.2009, at 12:38, Hans-Jörg Bibiko wrote:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
I found out how to type a ß but how do you type the rest öäüÖÄÜ?
adi
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On 25.02.2009, at 13:54, Adi Sieker wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 12:38, Hans-Jörg Bibiko wrote:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
I found out how to type a ß but how do you type the rest öäüÖÄÜ?
OPT+u for the diaeresis ¨ and then type aeiuoyAEIUOY etc.
--Hans
On 25.02.2009, at 14:19, Hans-Jörg Bibiko wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 13:54, Adi Sieker wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 12:38, Hans-Jörg Bibiko wrote:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
I found out how to type a ß but how do you type the rest öäüÖÄÜ?
OPT+u for the diaeresis ¨ and then type aeiuoyAEIUOY etc.
Neat, I've been mulling this over. I still have some english-keyboard muscle memory. I started with an english layout for 5 years. So switching shouldn't be to hard. The main problem I have is that I work a lot on my customers computers, so I'd have to switch back and forth between english and german layout. Carrying an english keyboard is also not always an option, currently I work on thin clients and I can't even change the layout.
adi
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On Feb 25, 2009, at 21:07, Adi Sieker wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 14:19, Hans-Jörg Bibiko wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 13:54, Adi Sieker wrote:
On 25.02.2009, at 12:38, Hans-Jörg Bibiko wrote:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
I found out how to type a ß but how do you type the rest öäüÖÄÜ?
OPT+u for the diaeresis ¨ and then type aeiuoyAEIUOY etc.
Neat, I've been mulling this over. I still have some english-keyboard muscle memory. I started with an english layout for 5 years. So switching shouldn't be to hard. The main problem I have is that I work a lot on my customers computers, so I'd have to switch back and forth between english and german layout. Carrying an english keyboard is also not always an option, currently I work on thin clients and I can't even change the layout.
I've worked for years with mostly Danish keyboards, but using them with US layouts most of the time, an then when I needed the Danish æ, ø and å I'd just use the Alt-Shift Windows shortcut to toggle between DK and US layouts. It can get a little confusing at times, but writing code with lots of []{}'s makes 856% more sense on a US layout than a Danish.
You can define a shortcut in Mac OS X to do the same.
Thankfully I only touch Mac and FreeBSD machines in my new job, it is so much nicer. And I just use Option-<something> to type non-ascii characters, it's easy to learn.
Regards Morten Liebach
Hans,
Hans-Jörg Bibiko schrieb:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
wow, just wow. :) While you obviously like it that way, I'd say if I have to choose between some minor inconvenience in one or two applications and dealing with a foreign keyboard layout, having to learn shortcuts for common characters of my native language (and having to re-adapt every time I use another computer), I'll choose the inconvenience of sometimes having to use the mouse or remap some shortcut. :)
It might have come over quite harsh, but actually I don't mind much that some shortcuts don't work (such as Ctrl-|). I can remap those which are of use to me. But I was just baffled by the fact that a simple Ctrl-Cmd-Alt-K wouldn't work as intended. :)
Thorsten
2009/2/25 Thorsten Hamann thorsten.hamann@crt.de
Hans,
Hans-Jörg Bibiko schrieb:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
wow, just wow. :) While you obviously like it that way, I'd say if I have to choose between some minor inconvenience in one or two applications and dealing with a foreign keyboard layout, having to learn shortcuts for common characters of my native language (and having to re-adapt every time I use another computer), I'll choose the inconvenience of sometimes having to use the mouse or remap some shortcut. :)
Well, ymmv but I have switched from using Swedish keyboard layout to US together with a text expansion program, in my case Typinator, to make it easy to type the special characters I need. I think it works great to use e.g. ".ae" for ä and ".ue" for ü. And now all the shortcut in Textmate works as they should ...
On 25 Feb 2009, at 14:16, Thorsten Hamann wrote:
Hans-Jörg Bibiko schrieb:
By myself, I'm German, I'm using an US-keyboard due to these conflicts and to learn how to type ü or ß is VERY easy. In other words if you use an US/GB keyboard instead make the life (on a Mac) much easier.
wow, just wow. :) [...] if I have to choose between some minor inconvenience in one or two applications [and] having to learn shortcuts for common characters of my native language [...] I'll choose the inconvenience of sometimes having to use the mouse [...]
For those of us working a lot in the shell or writing source code or similar, most European keyboards are a MAJOR inconvenience, hopefully people are not switching keyboard layout just to make ⌘/ easier, but because they type a lot of {, }, [, ], /, , |, etc. The ratio of before mentioned characters and Danish accented characters is probably 1:1,000…
Allan,
Allan Odgaard schrieb:
wow, just wow. :) [...] if I have to choose between some minor inconvenience in one or two applications [and] having to learn shortcuts for common characters of my native language [...] I'll choose the inconvenience of sometimes having to use the mouse [...]
For those of us working a lot in the shell or writing source code or similar, most European keyboards are a MAJOR inconvenience, hopefully people are not switching keyboard layout just to make ⌘/ easier, but because they type a lot of {, }, [, ], /, , |, etc. The ratio of before mentioned characters and Danish accented characters is probably 1:1,000…
I couldn't find the keymap Apple uses for Danish keyboards, but the PC ones are very similar to the German ones, only our äöü replaced with your equivalents, so I'm not far off your layout.
Frankly I don't see any problems with [] and {}, they're just Alt-5/6 and Alt-8/9, | is Alt-7 and the \ is the most complicated one with Alt-Shift-7, resulting in the key "7" to hold all three slashes, which is nice.
While I agree that I write more parantheses (and kinds thereof) than Umlauts when I program, I don't program *all the time*. Actually I spend just as much time, if not more, writing e-mails and documentation, creating presentations, drawing diagrams and so on.
So looking at the total time spent with my computer, the German layout is of hindrance in Textmate only (which, again, doesn't bother me all that much), but helps me all the rest of my day. Just remapping the shortcuts I need in one application is much easier than having to deal with another layout only I have and having to adapt every time I'm not using my own machine.
Hans' mileage obviously varies. I figure he programs a lot more than I do. :)
May I ask why you didn't make the shortcuts so that they worked on both US and European keyboards, if you have one yourself? (I assume the decision wasn't an easy one, and I'd like to know why.)
Thorsten
On 11 Mar 2009, at 08:55, Thorsten Hamann wrote:
[...] Frankly I don't see any problems with [] and {}, they're just Alt-5/6 and Alt-8/9
On a Danish keymap { and } are ⇧⌥8 and ⇧⌥9.
Now consider Safari/Terminal’s tab switching, which becomes: ⇧⌥⌘8 and ⇧⌥⌘9…
May I ask why you didn't make the shortcuts so that they worked on both US and European keyboards, if you have one yourself? [...]
I am not sure what shortcuts you are referring to. Those in the various bundles (which I think is what started this thread) are not chosen by me.
Le 11 mars 09 à 10:46, Allan Odgaard a écrit :
May I ask why you didn't make the shortcuts so that they worked on both US and European keyboards, if you have one yourself? [...]
I am not sure what shortcuts you are referring to. Those in the various bundles (which I think is what started this thread) are not chosen by me.
Not to mention there are a lot of different keyboards. Just for French (as in “I speak French”), there is at least: — PC French (as in “I live in France”), AZERTY — PC Belgian French, AZERTY — Mac French and Belgian French, a subtle mix of the previous two and the one I've always used — Canadian French, QWERTY — I might switch to this one or multilingual Canadian someday, but as not as long as I use laptops — Swiss French, QWERTZ — even though it sounds like the Swiss keyboards don’t vary a lot between languages
On Mac French keyboard, / { } _ are 2-keys, \ [ ] 3-keys, ^ is dead key. Numbers are 2-keys, too. Quite a pain when selecting commands from a menu, especially as none of the non-shifted key is ever to be useful in that context (how fast can you say &é"'(§è!çà ?). Both ⌘3 and ⌘4 can’t be used on this layout as they have to be shifted and thus take snapshots. Also the default shortcut for TM Indent Line can’t be typed either.
And I discovered some years ago that some english-speaking people don’t even know there are other layouts than US.
Typewriter designer should have think of us when they designed their keyboards.
Édouard
Édouard Gilbert wrote:
And I discovered some years ago that some english-speaking people don’t even know there are other layouts than US.
As is true when it comes to data formats, and language, too. As one of those US centric people, I still have yet to find someone to tell me how 'ü' sounds different from 'u'and all that. I have learned 'ñ' from Spanish class. :) For that matter, is there an audible distinction between Édouard and Edouard? (Or if I were to naively translate to a more english name, Edward) Yes, I speak out of ignorance. At least I know how to type the right letters. :)
2009/3/11 David Morton mortonda@dgrmm.net
Édouard Gilbert wrote:
And I discovered some years ago that some english-speaking people don’t even know there are other layouts than US.
As is true when it comes to data formats, and language, too. As one of those US centric people, I still have yet to find someone to tell me how 'ü' sounds different from 'u'and all that. I have learned 'ñ' from Spanish class. :) For that matter, is there an audible distinction between Édouard and Edouard? (Or if I were to naively translate to a more english name, Edward) Yes, I speak out of ignorance. At least I know how to type the right letters. :)
Well as another french speaker, I can respond : In french, the ¨ is a mark that a vowels combo is not a diphtong ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diphthong), and sometime it's just a disambiguation sign (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diaeresis) .
In German, it's different, as "ü" is pronounced as a french "u" :-)
Too bad that computer ASCII was invented by english speakers, English is one of the rare european language without diacritics.
As you see, I have the same first name as you, spelling the same, but I can assure you that there is a real and audible difference (and never speak of my last name, as I have always had to spell it when travelling)
Thanks for listening …
Tach Adi,
Adi Sieker schrieb:
Works fine here. On my german MBP.
yes, MBP here, too, with one of those new-fangled Apple USB keyboards.
Have you defined some custom short cuts in the Systemsettings or do you have an application running in the background that catches the shortcut?
No, I didn't set anything in the system settings; after reading your e-mail I even opened the keyboard mapping settings and pressed the "Standard" button to reset anything I might have set unintendedly.
BUT. I thought the Connect To Server dialog was from Textmate because it was in English, but it turned out that it came from MacFusion (a front-end to MacFUSE). I've quit MacFusion, and now the shortcut works.
Thanks for the hint!
Thorsten
This may be a total ass backwards way of doing things, but it works for me, and works well in all applications so have more than just value in tm.
Most keyboard shortcuts have a menu item. I just press command- shift-? which will bring up Apple Help Search. Type in a word and it will highlight and expand the menu. You get to see where it is, what category it is in, and the keyboard shortcut.
For me, this is the best way to learn it, since I learn where it lives, plus the keyboard command. It sometimes becomes like a spotlight to keyboard commands for me. Some I will decide to memorize, others I do not use enough, but now I have this global keyboard shortcut to it, that I can get it sans a mouse, and works in more than one place.
On Feb 24, 2009, at 8:58 AM, David Frascone wrote:
I'm getting a bit more into textmate, and, that has brought me to some less newbie questions, but, things that have been bothering me:
- Where can I find a list of keyboard shortcuts? The other day I
wanted to comment out a block of text, but had to google to figure out ⌘-/
- I'm ready to start playing with projects some -- and, from my
lurking on this list, it seems that the default project stuff isn't very capable. What is a good project bundle to start playing with?
-- Scott
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