Hi all,
I was wondering about this:
http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2006/textmate_on_windows
Is the account given on the site fully correct? Does anyone see any issues? Just thought I would ask before I jumped to any conclusions.
-Eric
Yes, tell us, Allan... Is he name dropping, or do you know this cat?
Brett
On Nov 20, 2006, at 3:41 PM, Eric Knapp wrote:
Hi all,
I was wondering about this:
http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2006/textmate_on_windows
Is the account given on the site fully correct? Does anyone see any issues? Just thought I would ask before I jumped to any conclusions.
-Eric
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On 11/20/06, Brett Terpstra brett@circlesixdesign.com wrote:
Yes, tell us, Allan... Is he name dropping, or do you know this cat?
Brett
As the bundles are open source, does it really matter? This looks like a more humble approach and less vaporware than Intype[1]
It's not the bundles I'm asking about, it's the bit about his parent's summerhouse ;-). I'm just curious, as I'm ALL for the power of TM becoming available to the IT dept. friends of mine who keep whining that they HAVE to use Windoze but they're so jealous of Mac users because of TM.
Brett
On Nov 20, 2006, at 5:15 PM, Fred B wrote:
On 11/20/06, Brett Terpstra brett@circlesixdesign.com wrote:
Yes, tell us, Allan... Is he name dropping, or do you know this cat?
Brett
As the bundles are open source, does it really matter? This looks like a more humble approach and less vaporware than Intype[1]
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On 20. Nov 2006, at 22:41, Eric Knapp wrote:
I was wondering about this:
http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2006/textmate_on_windows
Is the account given on the site fully correct? Does anyone see any issues? Just thought I would ask before I jumped to any conclusions.
Yes -- I met with him for lunch a few weeks ago (we had sushi) and he showed me his editor.
It was weird to initially see the inType clone of my bundle editor, but seeing a scope tool tip on this windows editor was even more weird ;)
There is a good discussion on the post I linked to about this. Lots of people are saying that this is a really good thing for the TextMate community. However, I'm not so sure. I realize that there is nothing anyone can do about it but if this editor take off on Win and Linux there is really nothing to stop him from porting to OS X too. I guess I've seen good intentions blow up in faces too many times to be excited about this. I can only hope that everything works out well for everyone, but I'm skeptical.
-Eric
On 11/20/06, Allan Odgaard throw-away-1@macromates.com wrote:
On 20. Nov 2006, at 22:41, Eric Knapp wrote:
I was wondering about this:
http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2006/textmate_on_windows
Is the account given on the site fully correct? Does anyone see any issues? Just thought I would ask before I jumped to any conclusions.
Yes -- I met with him for lunch a few weeks ago (we had sushi) and he showed me his editor.
It was weird to initially see the inType clone of my bundle editor, but seeing a scope tool tip on this windows editor was even more weird ;)
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On Tue, Nov 21, 2006, Eric Knapp wrote:
There is a good discussion on the post I linked to about this. Lots of people are saying that this is a really good thing for the TextMate community. However, I'm not so sure. I realize that there is nothing anyone can do about it but if this editor take off on Win and Linux there is really nothing to stop him from porting to OS X too. I guess I've seen good intentions blow up in faces too many times to be excited about this. I can only hope that everything works out well for everyone, but I'm skeptical.
So what if he does, though? There would need to be a compelling reason for most people to move from TM to the new thing, and if there's a compelling reason, then he's doing something right and maybe it makes sense to move.
Competition is not a bad thing.
Ben
It'd be best, if they could work it out, to have a single company producing TextMate for all platforms.
Combine code wherever possible, have a single source for bundles, and have a unified marketing effort.
Problem is, the people coding these things aren't usually the strongest businessmen. Not a dig, just a fact based on my 30 years in the business.
A unified marketing approach could make this combined company fly to heights reached, in the not too distant past, by Underware (Brief), CodeWright, et al. before each got bought and squandered by much larger companies (Borland, mostly).
S
On Nov 21, 2006, at 8:52 PM, Eric Knapp wrote:
There is a good discussion on the post I linked to about this. Lots of people are saying that this is a really good thing for the TextMate community. However, I'm not so sure. I realize that there is nothing anyone can do about it but if this editor take off on Win and Linux there is really nothing to stop him from porting to OS X too. I guess I've seen good intentions blow up in faces too many times to be excited about this. I can only hope that everything works out well for everyone, but I'm skeptical.
-Eric
On 11/20/06, Allan Odgaard throw-away-1@macromates.com wrote: On 20. Nov 2006, at 22:41, Eric Knapp wrote:
I was wondering about this:
http://e-texteditor.com/blog/2006/textmate_on_windows
Is the account given on the site fully correct? Does anyone see any issues? Just thought I would ask before I jumped to any conclusions.
Yes -- I met with him for lunch a few weeks ago (we had sushi) and he showed me his editor.
It was weird to initially see the inType clone of my bundle editor, but seeing a scope tool tip on this windows editor was even more weird ;)
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On 22 Nov 2006, at 02:10, Lists In@IDC wrote:
It'd be best, if they could work it out, to have a single company producing TextMate for all platforms.
Best for whom? It'd be best for Allan to do whatever makes him happy.
Problem is, the people coding these things aren't usually the strongest businessmen. Not a dig, just a fact based on my 30 years in the business.
s/fact/observation/
On Nov 22, 2006, at 7:32 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote:
On 22 Nov 2006, at 02:10, Lists In@IDC wrote:
It'd be best, if they could work it out, to have a single company producing TextMate for all platforms.
Best for whom? It'd be best for Allan to do whatever makes him happy.
Best for the users who have multi-platform needs and, ultimately, for the developers if the personalities, work styles, and business arrangements were harmonious.
I've been the only programmer on a project and I find that, when working with a compatible team, the quality and amount of delivered product goes up exponentially and the stress goes down. Nothing like a fresh pair of eyes (or even just ears) on a tough piece of design or code.
Problem is, the people coding these things aren't usually the strongest businessmen. Not a dig, just a fact based on my 30 years in the business.
s/fact/observation/
Good point.
S
On 22 Nov 2006, at 13:41, Lists In@IDC wrote:
I've been the only programmer on a project and I find that, when working with a compatible team, the quality and amount of delivered product goes up exponentially and the stress goes down. Nothing like a fresh pair of eyes (or even just ears) on a tough piece of design or code.
That certainly works for some people but it's not for everyone. It certainly doesn't work for me - I prefer solitary toil.
Ultimately though what's best for TM users is a happy, motivated Allan - and he's the one that knows the factors that create that condition so why don't we just trust him to keep doing what he's doing?
TextMate is more than just a great editor. It encapsulates a number of completely new ideas about how an editor should work and, as such, it raises the bar for all editors. It's absolutely inevitable that other editors will adopt features pioneered in TM. Should we worry about that? No, of course not - it just means we'll have better editors whatever platform we're working on. Should Allan worry about it? I doubt it. In the short term he's got a two year lead on everyone else. In the long term he's the guy who invented TextMate - and that's always going to be the basis of a pretty handy looking professional CV.
Eric Knapp wrote:
There is a good discussion on the post I linked to about this. Lots of people are saying that this is a really good thing for the TextMate community. However, I'm not so sure. I realize that there is nothing anyone can do about it but if this editor take off on Win and Linux there is really nothing to stop him from porting to OS X too. I guess I've seen good intentions blow up in faces too many times to be excited about this. I can only hope that everything works out well for everyone, but I'm skeptical.
No matter how good this guy is as a programmer, I have a lot of trouble believing he'll be able to make a competent TextMate lookalike using a cross-platform GUI toolkit, and completely cross-platform–compatible code, by himself, in a short period of time. There's so much that relies on Apple-specific stuff to work. I'm not holding my breath for these TextMate clones. Instead, I think it's a better idea for windows guys to just target windows, and use all the techs available to them on *that* platform, to make the best windows editor they can, and while borrowing ideas from TM is useful (like scopes, etc.), I don't think lifting the bundles wholesale is going to do much use for anyone.
-Jacob
On Nov 21, 2006, at 9:59 PM, Jacob Rus wrote:
... I don't think lifting the bundles wholesale is going to do much use for anyone.
-Jacob
I could hardly disagree more ;)
I love TextMate, but I like the bundles more.
I love the idea of tmBundles (and their associated innards) being completely application agnostic. I would love for the bundle community to have an influx of seriously talented programmers. How could that possibly hurt us?
The fact is that Windows has the largest number of total users. And Linux has a massive collection of brilliantly talented sharing developers. I think it could only help us for all of these developers to have an application (or applications) that take advantage of TextMate's bundle formats.
The only people who might not want anyone making a bundle utilizing app would be Apple. Since so many people have bought macs just to use TextMate. Other then them, maybe Allan. But he made these formats open and has absolutely no interest in making TextMate cross-platform.
I think this will be good for Allan. This is good for TextMate. But, mostly, this is great for me and all the other programmers on earth. Thanks to Allan (and probly a few other people), we have these great open formats that don't trap our code into proprietary boxes. Soon we'll have even more great people improving TextMate by making and improving the bundles.
I do worry that if we ever lost Allan leading the pack, we would lose all direction and would gain some serious bloat. We have to make dang sure we help Allan keep TextMate in control of these formats. At least until they're advanced to a point where it wouldn't be easy to break them.
Can you imagine a distant future where even BBEdit, Dreamweaver and Visual Studio are compatable with the TextMate bundles? How stinking awesome would that be? Every developer on earth would get to go blind with my themes ;)
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