7 May
2005
7 May
'05
8:26 p.m.
hi again,
I realize this has been discussed a while back, but AFAIR the issue
at the time has supposedly been resolved (threading of the
filessystemchecking process)
whenever I switch back to TM (say, after reloading a browser window)
to make changes in (say, a page template) i experience a noticable
and annoying delay of two to (sometimes) five seconds (on a dual 1GHz
G4 system with 1.25Gb RAM) together with a noticable spike in CPU
utilization.
until yesterday I just attributed that delay to the fact that I've
switched from working remotely via SFTP to WebDAV over HTTPS (on
Tiger). Meanwhile I'm hooked on the conveniences of being able to
work remotely using projects - so much, that I've moved my entire
project to my local machine just to eliminate that nagging delay and
keep the project mode - only to find out a day later that the delay
is still there...
the project contains well under a hundred files, each moderately
sized, nothing fancy there. is there anything I can do on my side of
the problem? could you on yours, Allan?
the delay shows itself by having the frontmost (project-) window
visble, but its bar grey and inactive.
curious in berlin,
best regards,
tom
--
Tom Lazar
http://tomster.org
7 May
7 May
10:31 p.m.
On May 7, 2005, at 22:26, Tom Lazar wrote:
I realize this has been discussed a while back, but
AFAIR the issue at
the time has supposedly been resolved (threading of the
filessystemchecking process)
No -- the threading mentioned in release notes is for loading bundles.
the project contains well under a hundred files, each
moderately
sized, nothing fancy there. is there anything I can do on my side of
the problem? could you on yours, Allan?
Long term, it should be fixed -- short-term you can change to a static
project, i.e. instead of dragging a folder into the project drawer,
drag the files form the folder. Of course you lose the advantages of
folder references.
I'm curious, does this happen each time you switch away and back to TM,
or only when something has actually changed in the filesystem?
8 May
8 May
1:35 a.m.
I have been experiencing the same thing in b5 -- about two seconds for
TM to actually become active again after switching away. I thought it
might be my file size or number of files open or something but I can't
find a direct correlation that is consistent. Two seconds on a dual
2.5GHZ G5 is an awful lot of instructions...
I'm curious, does this happen each time you switch
away and back to
TM, or only when something has actually changed in the filesystem?
Since things change on my filesystems all the time, I can't really say.
It seems pretty consistent, though.
Is there some experiment we could perform, something to profile to give
you some hints?
S
On May 7, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On May 7, 2005, at 22:26, Tom Lazar wrote:
>
>> I realize this has been discussed a while back, but AFAIR the issue
>> at the time has supposedly been resolved (threading of the
>> filessystemchecking process)
>
> No -- the threading mentioned in release notes is for loading bundles.
>
>> the project contains well under a hundred files, each moderately
>> sized, nothing fancy there. is there anything I can do on my side of
>> the problem? could you on yours, Allan?
>
> Long term, it should be fixed -- short-term you can change to a static
> project, i.e. instead of dragging a folder into the project drawer,
> drag the files form the folder. Of course you lose the advantages of
> folder references.
>
I'm curious, does this happen each time you switch
away and back to
TM, or only when something has actually changed in the filesystem?
>
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1:59 a.m.
On 5/8/05, Allan Odgaard <allan(a)macromates.com> wrote:
On May 7, 2005, at 22:26, Tom Lazar wrote:
I have exactly the same behaviour running Textmate version 1.1b5 (v1.1b5).
I have a project whose files & drawers are located on a networked
drive I mount through Samba. In the project it's a total of 1900+
files and everytime I switch back to TextMate its a delay while it
seems to be loading all information necessary to display the different
filetypes correctly. In that delay it shows up the projectwindow and
the tab with open files and the one active file, albeit all greyed
out. When the delay is over the proper colorcoding appears and I can
start editing away.
Would be glad if this behaviour could be resolved somehow. :).
David
I realize this has been discussed a while back,
but AFAIR the issue at
the time has supposedly been resolved (threading of the
filessystemchecking process)
No -- the threading mentioned in release notes is for loading bundles.
the project contains well under a hundred files,
each moderately
sized, nothing fancy there. is there anything I can do on my side of
the problem? could you on yours, Allan?
Long term, it should be fixed -- short-term you can change to a static
project, i.e. instead of dragging a folder into the project drawer,
drag the files form the folder. Of course you lose the advantages of
folder references.
I'm curious, does this happen each time you switch away and back to TM,
or only when something has actually changed in the filesystem?
2:35 a.m.
A question, is my impression correct that TM checks the change status of all
the files in the project drawers? Wouldn't only need to check the status of
files in the tabs? After all wouldn't they be the only ones with a status
change that makes a difference. Then TM could check the filecounts of the
various folders that have been expanded. Or am I missing something here (I
am sure that there are a lot of things) It does seem that there should be a
cascade of priorities, things that one might want to have updated before
working, things that can update as one begins work.
2:43 a.m.
On May 8, 2005, at 4:35, Samuel DeVore wrote:
A question, is my impression correct that TM checks
the change status
of all the files in the project drawers?
Yes, well, it checks the date of each top-level folder, and if the date
is different than when one left TM, it goes down a level etc. On
network mounted filesystems the date doesn't seems to be reliable, and
this check is slow. On a normal filesystem it _should_ really be a fast
check, but based on feedback, this isn't the case for all users.
Wouldn't only need to check the status of files in
the tabs?
Well, it needs to update the project drawer, and it needs the file list
for e.g. cmd-T etc. -- but yes, there's room for improvements, and as
previously stated, it will be changed to be more lazy and offload some
scanning to separate threads -- but it'll have to wait till I anyway
will update the project window for other planned changes and
improvements.
1:14 p.m.
On May 8, 2005, at 4:43 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On May 8, 2005, at 4:35, Samuel DeVore wrote:
I understand perfectly that you don't want to fix something now that
you're going to rewrite soon[tm] anyway. but would it be possible,
that one could state as a preference (using a defaults write
statement) that TM only checks the open tabs? for the way I work (and
perhaps others, too) that would be a great productivity enhancer for
the mean time.
or perhaps only do the check if the project drawer is visible (I
actually tried that to see, if the delay would disappear together
with it)
and a final note: given all that 'heavy weight'-checking that's going
on every time i switch back to TM it's kind of disappointing to find
that it doesn't seem to pick up changes to currently open files, i.e.
when I append something to my to-do list via quicksilver and i switch
back to TM, that new line doesn't show up, if the to-do list was open
already. i need to switch to another tab and back again to manually
enforce the update.
i have actually lost quite a few to-do items this way :( (by adding
items in TM before it picked up the change and then saving from TM
thus overwriting the item that was on the version of the to-do list
on the filesystem)
just though, I'd mention it ;)
best regards,
tom
--
Tom Lazar, http://tomster.org
Wouldn't only need to check the status of
files in the tabs?
Well, it needs to update the project drawer, and it needs the file
list for e.g. cmd-T etc. -- but yes, there's room for improvements,
and as previously stated, it will be changed to be more lazy and
offload some scanning to separate threads -- but it'll have to wait
till I anyway will update the project window for other planned
changes and improvements.
2:05 p.m.
On May 8, 2005, at 15:14, Tom Lazar wrote:
[...] would it be possible, that one could state as a
preference
(using a defaults write statement) that TM only checks the open tabs?
for the way I work (and perhaps others, too) that would be a great
productivity enhancer for the mean time.
But then when should it update the project drawer? You can create a
static (thus non-updating) project by dragging files (instead of
folders) to the project drawer. If you want to add an entire folder
structure as a project you can e.g. create a script as the one attached
below, which takes a folder as first argument and writes a tmproj file
to stdout. I didn't make it handle special filenames though (like
containing quotes).
and a final note: given all that 'heavy
weight'-checking that's going
on every time i switch back to TM it's kind of disappointing to find
that it doesn't seem to pick up changes to currently open files, i.e.
when I append something to my to-do list via quicksilver and i switch
back to TM, that new line doesn't show up, if the to-do list was open
already. i need to switch to another tab and back again to manually
enforce the update.
I am not able to reproduce this. When I switch back to TextMate it
updates the file if it had no local changes, or ask me, if it did have
local changes.
5:20 p.m.
New subject: delay after switching back to TM [SOLVED] kind of ;-)
On May 8, 2005, at 4:05 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
Tom Lazar
http://tomster.org
You can create a static (thus non-updating) project by
dragging
files (instead of folders) to the project drawer.
ah, I was completely unaware of that (although, now I do recall it
being mentioned here previously...)
If you want to add an entire folder structure as a
project you can
e.g. create a script as the one attached below, which takes a
folder as first argument and writes a tmproj file to stdout. I
didn't make it handle special filenames though (like containing
quotes).
thanks, that script was helpful. I have now created a static project
of my current zope product and switching/roundtripping between TM,
browsers and Terminal.app is instant now. I'll definitely be able to
"live with this" until you rewrite the whole project drawer.
thank you very much for your service,
best regards,
tom
p.s. @mark: I live just around the corner of Helmholtzplatz, I often
hang out there with my kids ;-) next time I see somebody with a
powerbook i'll step up and ask... *g*
20 Jul
20 Jul
5:43 p.m.
I can confirm this behavior, it's quite a noticeable lag.
On 5/8/05, Allan Odgaard <allan(a)macromates.com> wrote:
On May 8, 2005, at 15:14, Tom Lazar wrote:
--
Kevin Marsh <kevin.marsh(a)gmail.com>
[...] would it be possible, that one could state
as a preference
(using a defaults write statement) that TM only checks the open tabs?
for the way I work (and perhaps others, too) that would be a great
productivity enhancer for the mean time.
But then when should it update the project drawer? You can create a
static (thus non-updating) project by dragging files (instead of
folders) to the project drawer. If you want to add an entire folder
structure as a project you can e.g. create a script as the one attached
below, which takes a folder as first argument and writes a tmproj file
to stdout. I didn't make it handle special filenames though (like
containing quotes).
and a final note: given all that 'heavy
weight'-checking that's going
on every time i switch back to TM it's kind of disappointing to find
that it doesn't seem to pick up changes to currently open files, i.e.
when I append something to my to-do list via quicksilver and i switch
back to TM, that new line doesn't show up, if the to-do list was open
already. i need to switch to another tab and back again to manually
enforce the update.
I am not able to reproduce this. When I switch back to TextMate it
updates the file if it had no local changes, or ask me, if it did have
local changes.
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21 Jul
21 Jul
3:08 p.m.
I didn't get the original message, so I'm replying to this one.
Apologies for that.
> But then when should it update the project drawer?
You can create a
> static (thus non-updating) project by dragging files (instead of
> folders) to the project drawer. If you want to add an entire folder
> structure as a project you can e.g. create a script as the one
> attached
> below, which takes a folder as first argument and writes a tmproj
> file
> to stdout. I didn't make it handle special filenames though (like
> containing quotes).
I'm seeing the same problem with my projects - updating the project
drawers takes a few seconds. This is especially annoying when I
switch between TextMate and the Web browser in very short sequences.
First I also thought about a setting or even a manual update. But my
suggestion now would be to do the project refreshing in a separate
thread in the background. Is that possible?
Patrice
7:39 p.m.
On 21/07/2005, at 17.08, Patrice Neff wrote:
I didn't get the original message, so I'm
replying to this one.
Apologies for that.
The original was sent long ago -- this is a known problem, and it
will be fixed when folder behavior is changed post 1.1.
In the meantime, switch to static projects if the delay is too
frustrating.
11:23 p.m.
On 22/07/2005, at 1.18, Patrice Neff wrote:
This was actually in the part you quoted:
[...] You can create a static (thus non-updating) project by
dragging
files (instead of folders) to the project drawer. If you want to
add an
entire folder structure as a project you can e.g. create a
script as the
one attached below, which takes a folder as first argument and
writes a
tmproj file to stdout. [...]
So it's in the way you create the project, not a switch.
In the
meantime, switch to static projects if the delay is too
frustrating.
Thanks for your reply. But how do I switch to static projects? I
didn't find anything at the big search engines or in the help.
11:41 p.m.
Am 22.07.2005 um 01:23 schrieb Allan Odgaard:
This was actually in the part you quoted:
Oops, sorry for that.
[...] You can create a static (thus non-updating) project by
dragging
files (instead of folders) to the project drawer. If you want
to add an
entire folder structure as a project you can e.g. create a
script as the
one attached below, which takes a folder as first argument and
writes a
tmproj file to stdout. [...]
So it's in the way you create the project, not a switch.
I see. Well in that case I'll probably just bear with the delays
until the real fix.
Patrice
18 Aug
18 Aug
8:54 p.m.
On 7/21/05, Allan Odgaard <allan(a)macromates.com> wrote:
On 21/07/2005, at 17.08, Patrice Neff wrote:
Is there a target release date for 1.2? I was wondering because on my
lowly iBook the lag can be up to 10-15 seconds even on smallish
projects (100+ files) which is rather frustrating. Especially since i
don't care for any of the other editors anymore ;)
I didn't get the original message, so I'm
replying to this one.
Apologies for that.
The original was sent long ago -- this is a known problem, and it
will be fixed when folder behavior is changed post 1.1.
9:21 p.m.
On 18/08/2005, at 22.54, Tizzle wrote:
Is there a target release date for 1.2?
No.
I was wondering because on my lowly iBook the lag can
be up to
10-15 seconds
Then use static projects instead of folder references, as I have
proposed every time this subject surfaces -- I even posted a script
to make such project from a folder.
19 Aug
19 Aug
3:25 a.m.
<sarcasm>
hey, now that you mention it, the projects drawer IS slow!!!
I dragged the C: drive of my SMB shared windows 98 drive (running in
virtual pc on my iMac g3 400MHZ) into textMate and it took a full 30
SECONDS to reference all the files & sub folders!!!
And now every time I switch back to it from Word it takes FOREVER to
get back to editing my Bittany_Spears.JPG.vbs file!!!
Ug. I guess i'll have to to back to using my bootlegged version of
Visual Studio...
</sarcasm>
I wonder how many windows viruses are written on a mac? Hmm... makes
you think... :D
On Aug 18, 2005, at 5:21 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
use static projects instead of folder references, as I
have
proposed every time this subject surfaces
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