I work on several open-source projects (VTK, ParaView, CMake...) that
follow a somewhat unusual indentation style. Instead of
Getting the first curly indent right was trivial but I can't figure
out how to reduce the indentation _after_ the closing curly. When the
pattern matches decreaseIndentPattern, the current line's indentation
is reduced. What I need is for the following line to be unindented. Is
there any way to do this?
> Dog leave a puddle of sick in your living room? Wouldn't have
> happened if you had TM2.
> I think the developer is doing you all a favor!
> Yea, well, you didn't have to clean it up! Allen, please take pity on my
beloved poodle Jericho and her IBS. I think even a short update with maybe
a thumbs up / thumbs down about how it's going would quell her digestive
issues and get her appetite back. She's been coding and utilizing TextMate
so much she can't get the thought of all those juicy new feature out of her
mind. She barely even finishes both of her chili dogs anymore.
Although I'm starting to think he has his spam filter set to exclude
'textmate 2' and 'tm2' automatically.... ;)
OK I've got a question, is there any way I can temporarily disable or toggle
auto-pairing of quotes (& etc) with a hot key? Sometimes I just want a
single quote (etc) somewhere and it can get annoying to delete the paired
character each time.
Also, is TmCodeBrowser 1.11 the latest in "Show Classes, Functions, etc in a
Tree Panel" technology we have right now? I would like something that shows
more information (variables in functions, entire struct definitions), and
can show/hide info without the mouse hovering over it (hate the mouse). If
not I'll take a crack at patching up TmCodeBrowser into a 'good enough'
solution until TextMate 2 arrives to make us muscular without exercise,
gives our cars an extra 5 mpg (or kpl as it may be) in the city, and stops
Jericho from ruining all my fancy Ikea rugs.
> Problem is reproducible 100% to me.
Thank you Mel, I can reproduce it now as well. Interesting, it only seems
to remove some of the formatting. Alignment and some other things don't
seem to be removed.
> Why are you looking for an alternative to something that does what you
want in the first place?
I think the point is that there are some issues with TM1. Like you said,
there really isn't any alternative, but that shouldn't stop us from having a
frank discussion about TextMate's (very few) shortcomings. I'm pretty sure
everyone here absolutely adores TextMate, especially after seeing the spurt
of activity here in the past few days.
Since we are some of TextMate's largest fans, I think this is a somewhat
appropriate place to discuss the future of TextMate (if not TextMate proper,
then the bundle systems which can theoretically fill whatever gaps we need
given enough elbow grease).
Since there are only a few short messages from Allen himself over the past
year, we can only discuss alternatives and what we would like to see
updated/fixed, and wait for news. Given another year, maybe a competitor
will be to an advanced enough stage that with some work it could become
One possible alternative could be E-TextEditor (http://www.e-texteditor.com/).
The only problem is that it is Windows only...but I've used it and it seems
to have very good support for all TextMate bundles (it uses Cygwin). That
could be a possibility lacking any further news on the future of the real
As Apple product users, we all love and pay for two things. High quality and shiny new beautiful products. Our choice in hardware shows we all appreciate quality and beauty and are willing to pay for it. We all love TM because it's so fun to use and the reason we want a new, slightly different and better version is the same reason we all can't wait to buy Lion. We all want TM2 and that's fine. I imagine all the hardcore, 'use TM1 till the bitter end' types are old school UNIX hackers that could still break out vim or emacs and knock off a script if they had too, and that's just fine too (pretty cool actually).
Another point worth making is, this situation is really strange. This can't be normal. But it is entertaining, so who cares right?
There is an army of loyal TM users just waiting to shell out cash. So we must ask, why would there be such a delay and no response, with so many loyal customer? Companies and products and software disappear and stops being developed when customers stop supporting and that is the only reason. That is the only logical reason. Why doesn't the creator sell or license it somehow? There are so many ways to make money with a good idea or product and the kinds of people who invest in these things would be all over a product with this much support. So who knows whats happening.
But after this long, who cares? I went back to bbedit, for most uses and still use TM sometimes. Theme junkies can get their fix with this tool. It's great. http://daringfireball.net/2006/10/bbcolors_1-0 and also, try 'bbedit --maketags' from the command line for extremely cool built in ctags support.
Keep using TM or don't.
Peace to all
I've come across another serious TM bug :(
It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
user doing the ⌘+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ⌘-tab to TM, TM
will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.
Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
solution for now?
> Uh? Neither Joshua Kehn nor I wrote the section you quoted above, Mark
> Jackson did. I know I certainly don't take Joshua's disapproval of
> styled text as a personal attack, and I hope he doesn't take my feeling
> that styled text is actually important as an attack on him.
I never stated that. Ever.
> For the official record I can duplicate the bug. I just don't make it a
> habit of tabbing into my plain text editor before pasting rich text into
> another application.
I really, really apologize to you guys for misquoting you. I must have
grabbed the name from the messages above or below. I think I'll just stick
to technical answers from now on. :)
Regarding the bug, I am running TM 1.5.10 1623 on OS X 10.6.6 (MB Alum) and
can completely confirm that the bug doesn't exist as it has been described*,
at least on my system. Possibly you are running a different build?
* I can copy rich text and interact with TM all I want and the pasteboard
retains 100% of the richness (styling).
> I am sure I am not the only one here who feels that some people, BIGHYPE
> *hint* and others, need to tone their attitude down. Being an ass, doesn't
> help anyone.
@Joshua Kehn & @Watts Martin: Let's please keep this list related to helping
people with TextMate, not useless ad hominem attacks. If someone reports a
bug, you don't need to say anything unless you can confirm it or say it
isn't currently affecting you. "This bug doesn't bother me much, so keep
quiet" is not an acceptable answer, and if you post some advice please be
ready to follow it yourself.
That being said, I can confirm that I am not experiencing the clipboard bug.
I can copy rich text from TextEdit and paste it into TextMate, then paste
the still-rich text anywhere else I like. Therefore I'd say that TextMate
is NOT screwing up the clipboard so it must be something else.
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> 3. Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
> pasteboard (Watts Martin)
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> 5. Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
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> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:45:49 -0400
> From: Mel Brands <bighype(a)gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
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> Hi all,
> I've come across another serious TM bug :(
> It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
> user doing the ?+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
> image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
> active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
> leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
> you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
> number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ?-tab to TM, TM
> will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.
> Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
> really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
> solution for now?
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:47:35 -0400
> From: Joshua Kehn <josh.kehn(a)gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
> system-wide pasteboard
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then it's
> worth in my opinion.
> Joshua Kehn | Josh.Kehn(a)gmail.com
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Mel Brands wrote:
> Hi all,
> > I've come across another serious TM bug :(
> > It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
> > user doing the ?+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
> > image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
> > active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
> > leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
> > you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
> > number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ?-tab to TM, TM
> > will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.
> > Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
> > really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
> > solution for now?
> > Mel
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another thing: in Alpha one can save and edit any find/replace (F/R) pattern for later use. I’m using this feature heavily because I’m frequently editing TeX documents converted from Word format where one often has very similar F/R tasks such as formatting citations, references, or bibliographical material. At the same time one cannot do this using some external script because there’s still a wide variance of constructs depending on how the Word author worked.
That all boiling down to: is there a way to save, edit, and reload F/R patterns?
Thanks for all hints!
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