Hi there,
Is this expected? Because I didn't see it in the screenshot on the repo?
Untitled-1 (dragged).tiff (http://db.tt/1GifqfBa)
On Sep 15, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Tuan Anh Tran me@tuananh.us wrote:
Is this expected? Because I didn't see it in the screenshot on the repo?
Not expected, no.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 8:53 AM, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote:
On Sep 15, 2012, at 5:43 AM, Tuan Anh Tran me@tuananh.us wrote:
Is this expected? Because I didn't see it in the screenshot on the repo?
Not expected, no.
Actually it is called the "horizontal scrollbar", and it is quite expected when scrollbars are turned on in the system.
Gerd
On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Gerd Knops gerti-textmate@bitart.com wrote:
Is this expected? Because I didn't see it in the screenshot on the repo?
Not expected, no.
Actually it is called the "horizontal scrollbar", and it is quite expected when scrollbars are turned on in the system.
Ah… I thought it looked like a scrollbar pre-10.7 — hadn’t considered that users can still enable always-visible scrollbars.
On 15 Sep 2012, at 18:10, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote:
On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Gerd Knops gerti-textmate@bitart.com wrote:
Actually it is called the "horizontal scrollbar", and it is quite expected when scrollbars are turned on in the system.
Ah… I thought it looked like a scrollbar pre-10.7 — hadn’t considered that users can still enable always-visible scrollbars.
Could it have the 10.7/10.8 look (matching the background) even when always visible? Some applications have this (e.g. TaskPaper). Do they use custom scrollbars?
Why worry about it? It's nice that all of the scrollbars are native and styled the same throughout the system.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 12:37 PM, Fred B wrote:
On 15 Sep 2012, at 18:10, Allan Odgaard mailinglist@textmate.org wrote:
On Sep 15, 2012, at 4:47 PM, Gerd Knops gerti-textmate@bitart.com wrote:
Actually it is called the "horizontal scrollbar", and it is quite expected when scrollbars are turned on in the system.
Ah… I thought it looked like a scrollbar pre-10.7 — hadn’t considered that users can still enable always-visible scrollbars.
Could it have the 10.7/10.8 look (matching the background) even when always visible? Some applications have this (e.g. TaskPaper). Do they use custom scrollbars?
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On 15 Sep 2012, at 18:41, Travis Dunn tdunn13@gmail.com wrote:
Why worry about it? It's nice that all of the scrollbars are native and styled the same throughout the system.
"The same throughout the system" except when they're not, e.g. Aperture, iPhoto, Logic, just to name examples from Apple. ;) The problem is the white bars are really ugly with a dark background and even more now with a dark background Line Numbers gutter. This is not a problem in most app, as you can't change the background and it's light most of the time… In fact, the few non white background apps I have have non white scrollbars gutters.
I really hope I'll have an all dark background TM2 one day, although the first change needed is the File Browser. ;)
I'm not arguing that they are a bad thing. I just don't think it's necessarily a good direction to go down the "completely skinable" road. It's pretty easy to make a decent looking syntax coloring theme for the editor window, it's a completely different thing to make a decent looking interface theme.
There's enough work to be done to the UI itself, and (i think) it can be done in a way that works well with a light or dark themes. I personally would rather see the effort be put into making a well designed editor that a new user can sit down and think "man, this looks nice" than into something that can be hacked up to look like a rubbish XMMS theme.
Just my 2 cents though.
On Sep 15, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Fred B wrote:
On 15 Sep 2012, at 18:41, Travis Dunn tdunn13@gmail.com wrote:
Why worry about it? It's nice that all of the scrollbars are native and styled the same throughout the system.
"The same throughout the system" except when they're not, e.g. Aperture, iPhoto, Logic, just to name examples from Apple. ;) The problem is the white bars are really ugly with a dark background and even more now with a dark background Line Numbers gutter. This is not a problem in most app, as you can't change the background and it's light most of the time… In fact, the few non white background apps I have have non white scrollbars gutters.
I really hope I'll have an all dark background TM2 one day, although the first change needed is the File Browser. ;)
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On 15 Sep 2012, at 20:02, Travis Dunn tdunn13@gmail.com wrote:
On Sep 15, 2012, at 1:25 PM, Fred B wrote:
On 15 Sep 2012, at 18:41, Travis Dunn tdunn13@gmail.com wrote:
Why worry about it? It's nice that all of the scrollbars are native and styled the same throughout the system.
"The same throughout the system" except when they're not, e.g. Aperture, iPhoto, Logic, just to name examples from Apple. ;) The problem is the white bars are really ugly with a dark background and even more now with a dark background Line Numbers gutter. This is not a problem in most app, as you can't change the background and it's light most of the time… In fact, the few non white background apps I have have non white scrollbars gutters.
I really hope I'll have an all dark background TM2 one day, although the first change needed is the File Browser. ;)
I'm not arguing that they are a bad thing. I just don't think it's necessarily a good direction to go down the "completely skinable" road. It's pretty easy to make a decent looking syntax coloring theme for the editor window, it's a completely different thing to make a decent looking interface theme.
Agreed, but I never asked to make them skinable. The best for me would be to have no gutter, just the theme background, and a dark or light scrollbar depending on the background color. Just like when the "When scrolling" option is checked, but always visible.
The File Browser is a different story, though.
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