I am currently taking an ancient Latin class.
Latin, in modern text, makes use of macron ( bars over letters ).
The best way to render these glyphs, I have found, is to use the glyphs-description in the LaTeX set, e.g. ={u} produces a little u with a bar over it.
Typing in 5 strokes just to produce that glyph is pretty painful, so i wrote a bundle called "Latin Student". The bulk of of these features were along the lines of ^u producing the aforegiven LaTeX set.
1. Is there any guide on how i could export this? A place where I could check this and other ancillary notions like "linify based on ';' prefixed by numbers" 2. Is there any interest in thinking about building a larger bundle which could serve many Languages or non-Latin glyphsets
Valete,
Steven
On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Steven Harms wrote:
I am currently taking an ancient Latin class.
Latin, in modern text, makes use of macron ( bars over letters ).
Hmmm... I had 6 years of Latin (in Germany) and have never seen such a thing. So curiosity had me look it up on Wikipedia. Quote: "Textbooks and dictionaries indicate the quantity of vowels by putting a macron or horizontal bar above the long vowel, but this is not generally done in regular texts."
I guess you learn something new every day!
BTW if you switch your keyboard to "U.S. Extended", You can get a macron over a character by pressing Opt-a followed by the character.
Gerd
Gerd,
In my experience that glyph ( chosen by opt-a + vowel ) when inserted in HTML does not port - when viewed in a web page it tends to come up as a '?' or something similar whereas the unicode value does port.
So, in theory i could extend the "Convert HTML to Entities" code and augment it to support macron-ized vowels. Eve Now, I may merely be reflecting my ignorance of UTF-8 and i18n in general, but without the text being easily ported, I simply don't feel like I'm building data artifacts that can be re-used flexibly - and I need that.
I feel like my solution is *good* and opening it up for others to benefit from would be good too, I just wonder if there's a better way, or a larger geist that would be well served by by my trying to take a larger perspective.
Steven
On Mar 9, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Gerd Knops wrote:
On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Steven Harms wrote:
I am currently taking an ancient Latin class.
Latin, in modern text, makes use of macron ( bars over letters ).
Hmmm... I had 6 years of Latin (in Germany) and have never seen such a thing. So curiosity had me look it up on Wikipedia. Quote: "Textbooks and dictionaries indicate the quantity of vowels by putting a macron or horizontal bar above the long vowel, but this is not generally done in regular texts."
I guess you learn something new every day!
BTW if you switch your keyboard to "U.S. Extended", You can get a macron over a character by pressing Opt-a followed by the character.
Gerd
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On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Steven Harms sgharms@stevengharms.com wrote:
Gerd,
In my experience that glyph ( chosen by opt-a + vowel ) when inserted in HTML does not port - when viewed in a web page it tends to come up as a '?' or something similar whereas the unicode value does port.
Did you uesd the meta-tag for telling the browser that you are using UTF-8 and saved your file in UTF-8 as well?
So, in theory i could extend the "Convert HTML to Entities" code and augment it to support macron-ized vowels. Eve Now, I may merely be reflecting my ignorance of UTF-8 and i18n in general, but without the text being easily ported, I simply don't feel like I'm building data artifacts that can be re-used flexibly - and I need that.
I feel like my solution is *good* and opening it up for others to benefit from would be good too, I just wonder if there's a better way, or a larger geist that would be well served by by my trying to take a larger perspective.
Well…somehow I guess that everyone who has to use regularly "non-standard-characters" has already generated appropriate snippets activated by shortcuts or whatever. At least it's always one of the first things I do if I notice that I have to "describe" a character in some kind of language (only had to do this until now in HTML for umlauts and in LaTeX for macrons because I need them regularly when I have to transcribe Japanese into romanized characters).
And, well, if you do that for all possible characters you have a lot of characters to think of and appropriate shortcuts -- if I have to type a shortcut and then choose from a list then I'm better of with a restricted list which I created myself for the few I need regularly.
Niels
On Mar 9, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Gerd Knops wrote:
On Mar 9, 2008, at 10:25 AM, Steven Harms wrote:
I am currently taking an ancient Latin class.
Latin, in modern text, makes use of macron ( bars over letters ).
Hmmm... I had 6 years of Latin (in Germany) and have never seen such a thing. So curiosity had me look it up on Wikipedia. Quote: "Textbooks and dictionaries indicate the quantity of vowels by putting a macron or horizontal bar above the long vowel, but this is not generally done in regular texts."
I guess you learn something new every day!
BTW if you switch your keyboard to "U.S. Extended", You can get a macron over a character by pressing Opt-a followed by the character.
Gerd
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Hi,
unfortunately I do not see the point here, but please let me note something.
On 9 Mar 2008, at 23:15, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Steven Harms sgharms@stevengharms.com wrote:
In my experience that glyph ( chosen by opt-a + vowel ) when inserted in HTML does not port - when viewed in a web page it tends to come up as a '?' or something similar whereas the unicode value does port.
Did you uesd the meta-tag for telling the browser that you are using UTF-8 and saved your file in UTF-8 as well?
If one sets the HTML page to utf-8, one will see it correctly.
So, in theory i could extend the "Convert HTML to Entities" code and augment it to support macron-ized vowels.
What do you mean? If I write ā in an HTML doc and if I convert it to Entities I get ā. Fine. The same also for combining diacritics.
Latin, in modern text, makes use of macron ( bars over letters ).
The best way to render these glyphs, I have found, is to use the glyphs-description in the LaTeX set, e.g. ={u} produces a little u with a bar over it.
Typing in 5 strokes just to produce that glyph is pretty painful, so i wrote a bundle called "Latin Student". The bulk of of these features were along the lines of ^u producing the aforegiven LaTeX set.
In LaTeX I'm using: \usepackage{ucs} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} ... \section{Introduction} āēĕ ...
ucs is a tiny Unicode package which allows to write accented characters directly into an uft-8 document (without ={u}). Thus, for me at least, there is no need to reinvent the wheel twice. ucs can be installed by using fink "sudo fink install unicode-tex" if one is using tetex. Of course, it has some limitations but to write the Latin long vowel or Roomaji it is fine, I mean.
Or did I misunderstand something wrong?
--Hans
Hans,
I had not seen the 'ucs' package, it looks very useful.
Nevertheless, I want to make sure that users at keyboards that don't have such incredibly handy fancy-character implementation tools ( i.e. solaris, linux ) can still enter the complex vowels, thus via the command line they should be able to invoke:
./script "ag={o}, agere, ={e}g={\i}, actus
And have that put the right format to the Xterm AS WELL AS produce the right LaTeX artifact. So I think requiring the glyph to be entered, versus allowing a compositing method, may lock out some of my system neutrality.
Thank you for providing another tool that I can put in the patchwork that will get this thing running.
Best,
Steven
On Mar 10, 2008, at 4:36 AM, Hans-Joerg Bibiko wrote:
Hi,
unfortunately I do not see the point here, but please let me note something.
On 9 Mar 2008, at 23:15, Niels Kobschaetzki wrote:
On Sun, Mar 9, 2008 at 10:51 PM, Steven Harms <sgharms@stevengharms.com
wrote: In my experience that glyph ( chosen by opt-a + vowel ) when inserted in HTML does not port - when viewed in a web page it tends to come up as a '?' or something similar whereas the unicode value does port.
Did you uesd the meta-tag for telling the browser that you are using UTF-8 and saved your file in UTF-8 as well?
If one sets the HTML page to utf-8, one will see it correctly.
So, in theory i could extend the "Convert HTML to Entities" code and augment it to support macron-ized vowels.
What do you mean? If I write ā in an HTML doc and if I convert it to Entities I get ā. Fine. The same also for combining diacritics.
Latin, in modern text, makes use of macron ( bars over letters ).
The best way to render these glyphs, I have found, is to use the glyphs-description in the LaTeX set, e.g. ={u} produces a little u with a bar over it.
Typing in 5 strokes just to produce that glyph is pretty painful, so i wrote a bundle called "Latin Student". The bulk of of these features were along the lines of ^u producing the aforegiven LaTeX set.
In LaTeX I'm using: \usepackage{ucs} \usepackage[utf8]{inputenc} ... \section{Introduction} āēĕ ...
ucs is a tiny Unicode package which allows to write accented characters directly into an uft-8 document (without ={u}). Thus, for me at least, there is no need to reinvent the wheel twice. ucs can be installed by using fink "sudo fink install unicode-tex" if one is using tetex. Of course, it has some limitations but to write the Latin long vowel or Roomaji it is fine, I mean.
Or did I misunderstand something wrong?
--Hans
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