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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Justin French saying:
The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is. Having something similar in TextMate would be great.
All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in there as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc). Agreed, most of the values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM has no idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think BBEdit knows this either...
It does, though :-)
Here's how BBEdit work. If I have something like this:
.foo {
}
I move the cursor between the two brackets and hit Cmd-M. This gives me a list of properties. I select one. This gives me something like this:
.foo { border-color: ; }
Then I hit Cmd-Opt-M, and now I get a list of possible values for this property along with related properties.
HTML tags work the same. This helps since
- I only ever use tags that are valid in the scope that I am in - I always know what tags/properties I can use and how to spell them - I always know what values are allowed
I'm not sure if something along those lines is planned for TextMate since it may not be as much targeted at HTML as BBEdit is, but it would certainly be very nice to have something like this, maybe even more automatic, for example with dropdown lists of legal functions/tags/properties/values/... automatically appearing while typing.
lucas
- -- "I hate words." "Words suck." "If I wanted to read, I'd go to school." -- Beavis & Butthead
On 07/10/2004, at 4:07 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:
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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Justin French saying:
The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is. Having something similar in TextMate would be great.
All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in there as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc). Agreed, most of the values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM has no idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think BBEdit knows this either...
It does, though :-)
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Then I hit Cmd-Opt-M, and now I get a list of possible values for this property along with related properties.
HTML tags work the same. This helps since
- I only ever use tags that are valid in the scope that I am in
- I always know what tags/properties I can use and how to spell them
- I always know what values are allowed
Me 2! ; )
I'm not sure if something along those lines is planned for TextMate since it may not be as much targeted at HTML as BBEdit is, but it would certainly be very nice to have something like this, maybe even more automatic, for example with dropdown lists of legal functions/tags/properties/values/... automatically appearing while typing.
lucas
Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit operates -- I'm currently trying to work out if a combination of Snippets and Macros can substitute for syntax-aware code hinting... there are benefits in both approaches, and each could learn from each other.
As noted by others (esp. Eric Curtis in his very good post) TextMate isn't fully aimed at the HTML crowd, at least not to begin with.
Crucial for HTML, IMHO, is some form of asset awareness, skEdit (broken record!) offers completion of image names, file references, class names etc., because it is aware of these elements -- it even has an image viewer, click on an image from and you're site folder in TM, like that HEX?!
Sorry, I don't mean to be sarcastic, just raising some things that are useful to the web crowd, but that can apply to coders too (awareness of other files/classes etc. without you having to type it initially to get it into the completion buffer.)
marc
On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:21 AM, marc wrote:
On 07/10/2004, at 4:07 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:
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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Justin French saying:
The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is. Having something similar in TextMate would be great.
All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in there as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc). Agreed, most of the values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM has no idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think BBEdit knows this either...
It does, though :-)
It's badly implemented in BBEdit. For example. I'm inside the head tags, I hit Cmd + M, it brings up a nice contextual menu, I type the first letter "s" and hit enter when "style" is highlighted, I hit enter and it puts the opening and closing style tags in BUT it puts my cursor in between them! Then I have to navigate back to the inside of end of opening tag, hit Cmd + Alt + M and what do I get? A BLOODY DIALOG box into which I have to type values "text/css" etc. ON TOP OF IT ALL you can't tab through the dialog's fileds. You've got to click around, typing more values and manipulating pull-downs. It's ridiculous.
That's not what I call a tool that increases my productivity.
Yet again I refer to Topstyle as the ONLY APPLICATION that does it right.
And pleaase don't tell me to go back to the PC. I think we're all i agreement here about the merits of OSX.
Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit operates -- I'm currently trying to work out if a combination of Snippets and Macros can substitute for syntax-aware code hinting... there are benefits in both approaches, and each could learn from each other.
As noted by others (esp. Eric Curtis in his very good post) TextMate isn't fully aimed at the HTML crowd, at least not to begin with.
Crucial for HTML, IMHO, is some form of asset awareness, skEdit (broken record!) offers completion of image names, file references, class names etc., because it is aware of these elements -- it even has an image viewer, click on an image from and you're site folder in TM, like that HEX?!
Sorry, I don't mean to be sarcastic, just raising some things that are useful to the web crowd, but that can apply to coders too (awareness of other files/classes etc. without you having to type it initially to get it into the completion buffer.)
Again marc your spot on, but I have some issues with skEdit's preview feature and don't even get me started on the native apple color palette. Also, am I blind or is there no "screen" value for the style element's media attribute?
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