Hi Allan,
I think your customers deserve on honest assessment of what is going on.
Gerd
You are so right, Gerd. The time has come for Allan to be open and frank with us.
Jenny
Again?
I heard this 2 years ago already ;-)
Good luck!
TM2 is a bomb I am looking forward to!
Dennis
Am 25.04.2011 um 19:34 schrieb Jenny Harrison:
You are so right, Gerd. The time has come for Allan to be open and frank with us.
Jenny
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On 25-04-2011, at 19:29, Gerd Knops wrote:
Hi Allan,
I think your customers deserve on honest assessment of what is going on.
I said this on 18-08-2010 in reply to a similar post:
There are plans. Work is being done. It will be ready when it's ready.
We wait. We don't discuss the subject. We enjoy and use what we've got which is extremely good.
/Berend
Hi Gerd,
Why the question in the first place?
Curiosity or there's something you can't do with TM1?
On Apr 25, 2011, at 6:29 PM, Gerd Knops wrote:
Hi Allan,
I think your customers deserve on honest assessment of what is going on.
Gerd
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Folks,
My post wasn't intended as flame bait.
I use TextMate every working day for many hours. I simply care about this the most important tool in my arsenal to be the best it can be. And at least for my workflow there is still no alternative in sight.
When it came out it was leaps and bounds ahead (or could be made so for many cases by the ingenious bundle system). But that was quite a few years ago. It is now lacking features that can't easily be added as a bundle, and are a lot of work to add as a (not really supported) plugin if even possible.
Examples are tighter integration with source control features, or integration with compilers and debuggers just to name a couple. And then there are the weaknesses that have been identified on this forum over the years.
Brandon's post shows me that I am not alone holding back on bundle or plugin development due to the looming TM2 threatening to invalidate a lot of the time and work (and therefore money) we would invest. Being a consultant that would come out of my own pocket, which isn't very deep.
So knowing if TM1 is the end of the line, or if there really is a TM2 and a rough idea when it would really come out would make TextMate a better tool for me, because I could gauge ROI better for spending time writing, updating or polishing bundles and plugins.
Allan has made a few announcements regarding TM2. I believe them to have been in good faith. They didn't work out. Life happens. I have no qualms with that.
If it's about the money, Allan should apologize for the (in hindsight ill-advised) promise of free upgrades, and move on. Many folks will complain, but I am sure that I am not alone in stating I couldn't care less if TM2 is going to be free or not.
And if work on TM2 just isn't doing it for Allan any more, I don't have a problem with that either. As said life happens, and it is to short to force oneself to work on something that no longer holds one's interest.
In that case it would still be unreasonable to ask Allan to open-source TM2. I am sure he has spent countless hours on it, and should be compensated for it. So why not let the community buy it from you with the goal of open-sourcing it? We could all pledge whatever we would be willing to pledge. If we meet Allan's number, he'd collect on the pledges and put TM2 onto github or elsewhere. Everybody wins.
Gerd
I am not a developer, but a heavy user of the Latex bundle in TM for about five years. Latex users in academia who take the time to learn TM love it, and thus I believe there is a large potential group of TM purchasers for Allan. I have the greatest admiration for his creative skills and have always enthusiastically supported him, especially when I was an active member of this discussion group. I just want a rough idea of what to expect. Time is a serious factor for me and the students I supervise. Gerd mentioned some problems which I have to live with every day, and I see that other software is running circles around TM with respect to these particular problems. For example, each time I format the source code into a pdf file, I have to wait several seconds. If the file gets long, it takes a very long time for the pdf to show itself. If there are figures, it takes even longer. But these are fast computers. Why can't this be fixed? Skim jumps around, too when it comes into focus. I have to look away, otherwise I get distracted by the jumps, and then I have to move the page back to where I was reading before the small edit. TeXShop cuts the formatting time dramatically and the pdf output does not jump around. I have not used a stopwatch, but it is noticeably faster. But I hang onto TM because of the macros and snippets. I took the trouble to learn all the keyboard commands in the spirit of GTD, as this group taught me, so my hands never leave the keyboard, but TM is now the block itself for efficiency. There are other Latex editors coming out. Should I take the time to learn one of these? I don't mean to offend anyone by asking that question. Would I recommend that a new student take the time to learn TM? I guess I would not now do this. If we just had a rough idea, I would know how to proceed. I can wait a little longer.
Jenny Harrison Professor of Mathematics University of California, Berkeley
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