TextMate March 2005

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by Mark Sapa

Hello everybody, just a stupid question after puttering along with the Bundle repository for a while: Is there an easy way of checking out the entire "trunk" to a local directory? And, after checking out individual bundles, is it normal to get messages like > svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/Bundles/!svn/vcc/default' > svn: REPORT of '/svn/Bundles/!svn/vcc/default': 503 unknown method > (http://macromates.com) Thanks in advance, Mark Sapa

21 years

Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why

by Chris Thomas

On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Eric Hsu wrote: > The other piece asks for split views of the same document. I think > BBEdit had this, but I used the functionality about once a month. If > I need to jump between subroutines, there are a number of 'jump to > function' commands that are competing in the TM svn repository. The > project I'm working on now is broken up into a bunch of modules that > are in different files anyway. I have been learning how > fantastically indispensable the "Find in Project" command is. BBEdit's implementation is one horizontal split pane, IIRC. Not good enough. Imagine that you have a really large source file. Imagine that you need to make changes to code at top of the file that require interrelated changes to stuff at the bottom, and/or vice versa. Imagine these changes are too complicated to hold all of the details in your head. You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential. In the past, I've actually used four horizontal split panes working on the same document at once. That was a particularly intricate case, but I would certainly use the functionality if I had it now. Unfortunately, Xcode's pane split UI sucks. MPW did it right (more or less). Chris

21 years

Re: Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why (Eric Hsu)

by James Hill

Have to say, got a bit lost on the multi project stuff as I don't really see this as necessary however... I know at lease another 3 or 4 people who are holding back due to the lack of split window functionality (same document or multiple). I have a chap here who is still using JEdit despite the slooow Java based (orrible) interface purely for this feature. TextMate is a cracking app and feels properly "Mac", the think lacking being the slit window functionality... oh and function / class navigation (but that can wait). Jamie -- http://www.soniciq.com On 14 Mar 2005, at 09:19, textmate-request(a)lists.macromates.com wrote: > Send textmate mailing list submissions to > textmate(a)lists.macromates.com > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > textmate-request(a)lists.macromates.com > > You can reach the person managing the list at > textmate-owner(a)lists.macromates.com > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of textmate digest..." > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Stupid svn Repository Question (Chris Messina) > 2. Re: Stupid svn Repository Question (Jack Baty) > 3. Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why (Jonathan Ragan-Kelley) > 4. Re: Stupid svn Repository Question (Mark Sapa) > 5. Re: Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why (Eric Hsu) > 6. Re: Stupid svn Repository Question (Eric Hsu) > 7. Re: Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why (Chris Thomas) > 8. Re: Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why (Eric Hsu) > 9. Re: Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why (David Casal) > > From: Chris Messina <factoryjoe(a)factorycity.net> > Date: 13 March 2005 19:43:12 GMT > To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > I'm trying to use svnX and I keep getting this error when I try to > connect: > > subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:670: (apr_err=175002) > svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn' > subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:294: (apr_err=175002) > svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not resolve hostname > `macromates.com': No address associated with nodename > (http://macromates.com) > > Any idea why this would be happening? I can connect successfully to > other SVN repositories, so I'm at a loss as to why this is happening. > > Chris > > > Allan Odgaard wrote: > >> On Mar 13, 2005, at 18:50, Brad Miller wrote: >> >>> I just tried to do a fresh checkout myself to see if I could get my >>> changes to the entitynav.py checked in and I'm seeing the same >>> thing. >>> [...] >> >> >> I did a fresh checkout to /tmp, which worked. I changed a command and >> then I also got an error on commit (though not the same), but it >> seems this is a know problem [1]. Since I'd done the new checkout as >> 'anon'. >> >> Using: “svn ci --username duff” solved the problem. Could you try >> this Brad? Giving the correct username after 'anon' has failed *does >> not work*. >> >> [1] http://svn.haxx.se/users/archive-2004-12/0035.shtml >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> For new threads USE THIS: textmate(a)lists.macromates.com >> (threading gets destroyed and the universe will collapse if you don't) >> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate > > > > -- > > Do the evolution. Get Firefox! > <http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=5&t=4> > > Quote of the moment: /"Simplicity is in taking the elegant path. It is > also a conscious choice— to achieve simplicity one must eschew > complexity. Simple things must be simple."/ -- author unknown > > > > > > > > From: Jack Baty <jbaty(a)fusionary.com> > Date: 13 March 2005 21:24:15 GMT > To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > A short time ago, for a week or so I could not access anything on the > macromates.com site, including Subversion. Turns out that for some > reason my ISPs name servers had very old data. I changed name servers > and everything, including svn commands, began working again. It's a > long shot but could be worth a look. > > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Chris Messina wrote: > >> I'm trying to use svnX and I keep getting this error when I try to >> connect: >> >> subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:670: (apr_err=175002) >> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn' >> subversion/libsvn_ra_dav/util.c:294: (apr_err=175002) >> svn: PROPFIND of '/svn': Could not resolve hostname >> `macromates.com': No address associated with nodename >> (http://macromates.com) >> >> Any idea why this would be happening? I can connect successfully to >> other SVN repositories, so I'm at a loss as to why this is happening. >> > > -- > Jack Baty (http://jackbaty.com) > Fusionary Media (http://fusionary.com) > > Good God, don't the villagers carry torches and pitchforks anymore? > > > > > > From: Jonathan Ragan-Kelley <katokop1(a)gmail.com> > Date: 14 March 2005 06:48:50 GMT > To: textmate(a)lists.macromates.com > Subject: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why > Reply-To: jrk(a)csail.mit.edu, TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > Searching through the archives of this list, and other > TextMate-related materials, I've seen that this has come up a handful > of times, but not in a while, and rarely with much of any response, so > I'll ask again: > > Why does TextMate lack any sort of single-project/multi-window > functionality (the most functional and common implementation being > arbitrary split panes within the editor windows, as in jEdit, Emacs, > Xcode, Visual Studio, et multi al.)? Is there any intention of adding > such functionality (in the near future)? > > I have a hard time imagining how a programmer-centric editor can > largely ignore the need of developers to have simple and effective > ways to view and edit several documents in the same project > simultaneously. Interfaces and implementations, interfaces and > clients, refactoring source and destination, etc., etc. I recognize > that it is possible to view multiple documents at once, as in any > standard document-based app, using multiple windows. However, files > opened to separate windows fail to integrate with the project-file > functionality and multi-document (tab) organization around which > TextMate is built, and, most of all, require heavy use of the dreaded > Mouse to do much of anything. I have a hard time imagining how the > developers work on this very 30+ KLC app, itself, without the ability > to deftly maneuver many files with keyboard alone, and to see more > than one thing at a time. The addition of features like cmd-T speaks > directly the significance of keyboard navigation of large projects, > but in such projects, what on earth are we to do with our widescreen > or multi-monitor setups if we can only use one pane? There's only so > much of my screen real-estate I could ever allocate to Safari and > OmniOutliner to read documentation and keep a to-do list, when the > primary thing I need is to keep my head inside my code. > > I apologize for the rather desperate, frustrated tone creeping up > underneath this message -- it's just the type of desperation that > could only be created by frequent attempts to use an absolutely > glorious, is-everything-I-could-dream-of app, perpetually foiled by a > single, fatal (and bizarrely unique, among programmer's editors) flaw > in just one small aspect of its implementation which completely > prevents me from doing anything more than diddling around and getting > frustrated, time and again. Not to mention from forking over the $50 > -- nay $100 I would honestly love to pay for this program, if only I > could actually use it. > > The problem is, I greatly appreciate everything that is TextMate. The > core idea -- that other editors on OS X just feel wrong -- echoes my > sole problem since coming [back] to the platform. And TextMate really > does feel right. Oh so right. I just can't actually use it for > anything, since I can't quickly, cleanly, and effectively (i.e. with > the keyboard, without endlessly mucking about with window sizes and > placements) operate on and navigate large multi-file software > projects. > > I understand that TextMate is a focused, relatively small undertaking > compared to mammoth editor-beasts like Emacs, or even jEdit these days > -- that that is not only the reality of a single-developer project, > but the goal. But I can't imagine that at least rudimentary split > panes (or some functionally similar interface feature) could possibly > be nearly as implementation-heavy as many of the features that seem to > be coming every few weeks. You have this nice, object-oriented text > view you've created, which can be instantiated many times over (in > separate windows) just fine -- why not allow multiple instantiations > within sub-windows, using Apple's standard split pane widgets? The > key thing which complicates this, of course, is the focus on tabs, and > while it's true that there doesn't seem to be an obvious, elegant > solution to the problem of tabs for multiple panes, I think those of > us who really feel the need for mouse-free management of multiple > document views would gladly live with pretty tabs which have to shut > themselves off when a window is split into multiple panes, at least > until a better solution can be made. After all, tabs are a rather > mouse-centric interface element, anyway, as indicated by the > enthusiastic introduction of the new cmd-T file open/switch feature. > > So there we have it. If you can't tell, I've been stewing over this > for several months. Now, what are the chances? Is this even on the > drawing board? Is there anything I or anyone else could do to help it > along (like [not] sending more long, love-lorn emails)? > > Is anyone else -- besides me and the 2 people who asked after this > feature here and on the wiki in the fall -- interested in panes? If > not, how on earth do you work with multiple text files simultaneously? > I'd really like to know, because hopefully I'm just totally missing > something that will improve my [working] life forever. > > Much love to the creator and users of this fantastic app. And don't > worry, I'm putting my straight jacket back on as we speak, and heading > to bed in my padded, white room. > > > > > From: Mark Sapa <Mark.Sapa(a)gmx.de> > Date: 14 March 2005 07:12:15 GMT > To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > Hey Allan, just tried your suggestion a few times: > > > Am 13.03.2005 um 19:21 schrieb Allan Odgaard: > >> On Mar 13, 2005, at 18:15, Mark Sapa wrote: >> >>>> [moerk@mungon]~ 501 % rm -rf Bundles >>>> [moerk@mungon]~ 502 % rm -rf .subversion >>>> [moerk@mungon]~ 503 % svn co >>>> http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles >>>> Authentication realm: <http://macromates.com:80> macromates.com >>>> Password for 'moerk': >> >> Maybe this is related to the bug I just mentioned for Brad [1]. >> >> Could you try instead to do: >> svn co --username anon http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk >> Bundles >> >> So that it won't first prompt for password for moerk. > > > This is the result: > >> [moerk@mungon]~ 546 % rm -rf Bundles >> [moerk@mungon]~ 547 % rm -rf .subversion >> [moerk@mungon]~ 548 % svn co --username anon >> http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles >> Authentication realm: <http://macromates.com:80> macromates.com >> Password for 'anon': >> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/Bundles/trunk' >> svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/Bundles/trunk': 400 failed to forward body of >> the request (http://macromates.com) >> [1][moerk@mungon]~ 549 % rm -rf Bundles[moerk@mungon]~ 550 % rm -rf >> .subversion[moerk@mungon]~ 551 % svn co --username anon >> http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles >> Authentication realm: <http://macromates.com:80> macromates.com >> Password for 'anon': >> svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/svn/Bundles/trunk' >> svn: PROPFIND of '/svn/Bundles/trunk': 403 Forbidden >> (http://macromates.com) >> [1][moerk@mungon]~ 552 % rm -rf Bundles [moerk@mungon]~ 553 % rm >> -rf .subversion[moerk@mungon]~ 554 % svn co --username anon >> http://macromates.com/svn/Bundles/trunk Bundles >> Authentication realm: <http://macromates.com:80> macromates.com >> Password for 'anon': >> svn: REPORT request failed on '/svn/Bundles/!svn/vcc/default' >> svn: REPORT of '/svn/Bundles/!svn/vcc/default': 503 unknown method >> (http://macromates.com) > > The first I _might_ attribute to a skippy connection, I was unsure > about my correct typing > of the password in the second, but the third _definitely_ has the > correct pw. > This is with a freshly recompiled version of svn, btw. > > Any more suggestions, anyone? > > Right now I'll try rebuilding the fink svn-client without ssl > support... *shrug* > > > > > > From: Eric Hsu <erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu> > Date: 14 March 2005 07:27:31 GMT > To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > >> Why does TextMate lack any sort of single-project/multi-window >> functionality (the most functional and common implementation being >> arbitrary split panes within the editor windows, .... >> >> Is anyone else -- besides me and the 2 people who asked after this >> feature here and on the wiki in the fall -- interested in panes? If >> not, how on earth do you work with multiple text files simultaneously? > > I'm confused by the request. One piece talks about many files, one > project (the end). For this, > I use the 'project drawer'. Start a new project. Add the folders that > I am working with (the drawer automatically finds the enclosed files). > Now as I click on files in the hierarchy, they appear as tabs. You can > flip between them using Ctrl-Opt-Arrow. It works pretty well... My > only complaint is that the drawer remembers state oddly. If you add a > folder and want to omit a subfolder (in my case because there are > 1,500 data files in it), TM will add it back when it refreshes; other > times when it refreshes the folders close up. But Allan is aware of > these annoyances... > > The other piece asks for split views of the same document. I think > BBEdit had this, but I used the functionality about once a month. If I > need to jump between subroutines, there are a number of 'jump to > function' commands that are competing in the TM svn repository. The > project I'm working on now is broken up into a bunch of modules that > are in different files anyway. I have been learning how fantastically > indispensable the "Find in Project" command is. > > - Eric > -- > Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics > San Francisco State University > erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu > http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu > > > > > From: Eric Hsu <erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu> > Date: 14 March 2005 07:33:42 GMT > To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>, Mark Sapa > <Mark.Sapa(a)gmx.de> > Cc: Subject: Re: [TxMt] Stupid svn Repository Question > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > At 8:12 AM +0100 3/14/05, Mark Sapa wrote: >> Right now I'll try rebuilding the fink svn-client without ssl >> support... *shrug* > > My svn setup is working great, checkout and checkin. Let's see, how > did I install it... > > My info: svn, version 1.1.1 (r11581) > compiled Oct 23 2004, 17:26:09 > > I think I got it from http://www.codingmonkeys.de/mbo/, which has > packages nicely precompiled for Panther. You are using 10.3, right? > > - Eric > -- > Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics > San Francisco State University > erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu > http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu > > > > > From: Chris Thomas <chris(a)cjack.com> > Date: 14 March 2005 07:39:19 GMT > To: Eric Hsu <erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu> > Cc: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > > On Mar 13, 2005, at 11:27 PM, Eric Hsu wrote: > >> The other piece asks for split views of the same document. I think >> BBEdit had this, but I used the functionality about once a month. If >> I need to jump between subroutines, there are a number of 'jump to >> function' commands that are competing in the TM svn repository. The >> project I'm working on now is broken up into a bunch of modules that >> are in different files anyway. I have been learning how >> fantastically indispensable the "Find in Project" command is. > > BBEdit's implementation is one horizontal split pane, IIRC. Not good > enough. > > Imagine that you have a really large source file. > Imagine that you need to make changes to code at top of the file that > require interrelated changes to stuff at the bottom, and/or vice > versa. > Imagine these changes are too complicated to hold all of the details > in your head. > > You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential. > > In the past, I've actually used four horizontal split panes working on > the same document at once. That was a particularly intricate case, but > I would certainly use the functionality if I had it now. > Unfortunately, Xcode's pane split UI sucks. MPW did it right (more or > less). > > Chris > > > > > > From: Eric Hsu <erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu> > Date: 14 March 2005 07:59:13 GMT > To: Chris Thomas <chris(a)cjack.com> > Cc: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com>, Eric Hsu > <erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > >> You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential. > > Yeah, I was thankful that one time a month I used it. And I would be > happy to have it in TM. The question is always priorities... > > - Eric > -- > Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics > San Francisco State University > erichsu(a)math.sfsu.edu > http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu > > > > > From: David Casal <david(a)luminas.co.uk> > Date: 14 March 2005 09:19:27 GMT > To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > Subject: Re: [TxMt] Split Panes: who/what/when/where/why > Reply-To: TM Users <textmate(a)lists.macromates.com> > > > > On 14 Mar 2005, at 07:59, Eric Hsu wrote: > >>> You don't need this often, but when you do, it's essential. >> >> Yeah, I was thankful that one time a month I used it. And I would be >> happy to have it in TM. The question is always priorities... > > The one thing I miss from jedit is actually being able to open > -several- files in split panes. That's the scenario I used the most, > and the one I'd really love to see in TM. > > David Casal > > > > > _______________________________________________ > textmate mailing list > textmate(a)lists.macromates.com > http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate

21 years

Opening large files

by Christian Bogen

I just tried to open the recently published BoingBoing 2000-2005 archive file (about 18 MB in size) in TM and it took 1 minute and 25 seconds (!!) (I actually used a stopp watch when opening it a second time) with a spinning beach ball and the fan on my PB (12" 867 Mhz with 640 MB RAM running 10.3.8) basically going berserk. Is that a beta problem (I'm using b5) or is this behaviour »normal«? (Just for the record: TW opened the same file in less than 10 seconds!) Christian

21 years, 1 month

Cmd key shows shortcut key

by Nednieuws

In BBEdit, pressing the Cmd key in the Find dialog shows all shortcuts. E.g. if I hold the Cmd key down "Replace" will change to "Cmd-R Replace". This way, you don't need the mouse. Would that be possible with TextMate? -- Regards, Charles.

21 years, 1 month

Problems with b5 and services menu / BOM follow-up question

by Christian Bogen

Hi, I'm experiencing some problems with b5 and the Services menu: TextMate doesn't seem to register itself in the menu and the contents of Services > Insert are greyed out when accessed from within TextMate. Any ideas? Known b5 problem? Also I'd like to know if future TM version will let you, as an option, create new UTF-8 files with BOM? (I know it preserves existing BOMs ...) Thanks in advance! Kind regards Christian

21 years, 1 month

multiselect cmd-t window

by Lang Riley

I am lovin' the cmd-T window, very nice. Any possibility it might be multiselect in the future? I often have need to pull up a class and its similarly named unit test class and perhaps a similarly named test fixture. It would be nice to grab them all in one shot, since they typically show up right next to each other in the window. Not a big deal though. -- Best regards, Lang Riley

21 years, 1 month

Re: [TxMt] Some Bundle Questions

by Chris Thomas

On Mar 9, 2005, at 9:48 PM, Eric Ocean wrote: > > Now, Add to Repository fails with: > > /bin/bash: line 11: ruby: command not found This is probably the BASH_ENV problem. We should fail more gracefully and support TM_RUBY, but -- currently -- we don't. Date: January 27, 2005 4:38:47 AM PST From: cryo(a)cyanite.org Subject: Re: [TxMt] ruby not found error To: textmate(a)lists.macromates.com Reply-To: textmate(a)lists.macromates.com On 27. jan 2005, at 13:15, David Casal wrote: > Hello all, > > Stupid question here...I have: > > ruby /Users/dc/Documents/txt/scripts/todo2log.rb $TM_FILEPATH It can't locate ruby _here_.. doesn't matter if the shebang is right later on (it's not even used). Most likely your ruby-path is setup in ~/.bash_profile, which is not sourced by TM. A solution that should fix everything path-related: Make a file in your home-dir, say .bash_env and have it contain: source /etc/profile source ~/.bash_profile Then set TM's BASH_ENV variable to: ~/.bash_env That should source all relevant path stuff. A completely different solution is of course to call the script directly: /Users/dc/Documents/txt/scripts/todo2log.rb $TM_FILEPATH ..it needs to be +x of course, for this to work. http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate

21 years, 1 month

project drawer sorting

by eoghan

Hello Is there any way to get the project drawer to sort files automatically? I know you can drag them up and down, but Id like it if it sorted auto... Thanks Eoghan

21 years, 1 month

[OT] IRC on Macs

by Raymond Brigleb

Greetings, This is a bit off topic... but I'm already composing the email so hey. Anybody recommend a good Mac IRC client? I haven't been on IRC for years, and never since switching to Mac. I've searched a bit but thought maybe someone could make a recommendation since many folks on here seem to discuss this project on IRC (which is my goal as well). Thanks! Raymond

21 years, 1 month

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