[TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide pasteboard

[Brandon M Fryslie]

>
> I am sure I am not the only one here who feels that some people, BIGHYPE
> *hint* and others, need to tone their attitude down. Being an ass, doesn't
> help anyone.


@Joshua Kehn & @Watts Martin: Let's please keep this list related to helping
people with TextMate, not useless ad hominem attacks.  If someone reports a
bug, you don't need to say anything unless you can confirm it or say it
isn't currently affecting you.  "This bug doesn't bother me much, so keep
quiet" is not an acceptable answer, and if you post some advice please be
ready to follow it yourself.

That being said, I can confirm that I am not experiencing the clipboard bug.
 I can copy rich text from TextEdit and paste it into TextMate, then paste
the still-rich text anywhere else I like.  Therefore I'd say that TextMate
is NOT screwing up the clipboard so it must be something else.

Cheers!
Brandon

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>   1.  TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
>      pasteboard (Mel Brands)
>   2.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
>      pasteboard (Joshua Kehn)
>   3.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
>      pasteboard (Watts Martin)
>   4.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
>      pasteboard (Joshua Kehn)
>   5.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
>      pasteboard (Mark Jackson)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:45:49 -0400
> From: Mel Brands <bighype at gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
>        pasteboard
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> Hi all,
>
> I've come across another serious TM bug :(
>
> It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
> user doing the ?+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
> image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
> active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
> leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
> you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
> number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ?-tab to TM, TM
> will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.
>
> Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
> really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
> solution for now?
>
> Mel
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:47:35 -0400
> From: Joshua Kehn <josh.kehn at gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
>        system-wide pasteboard
> Message-ID: <D32113888E05420D95668EB217F51F35 at gmail.com>
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>
> Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then it's
> worth in my opinion.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Josh___________________________________________
> Joshua Kehn | Josh.Kehn at gmail.com
> http://joshuakehn.com
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Mel Brands wrote:
> Hi all,
> >
> > I've come across another serious TM bug :(
> >
> > It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
> > user doing the ?+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
> > image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
> > active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
> > leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
> > you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
> > number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ?-tab to TM, TM
> > will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.
> >
> > Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
> > really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
> > solution for now?
> >
> > Mel
> >
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> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:58:32 -0700
> From: Watts Martin <layotl at gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
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> Joshua Kehn wrote:
> > Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then
> > it's worth in my opinion.
>
> I'm not sure you're understanding the problem that Mel described.
>
> (1) Open a TextEdit document.
> (2) Add a few lines of text and then style some of them: make one
> italic, one bold, one a different font, one centered.
> (3) Copy these lines with Cmd-C or the edit menu.
> (4) Paste them onto the end of the document just to verify that you get
> back what you copied, with all the styles.
> (5) Switch to an open TextMate window. Don't do ANYTHING. Just switch to
> it.
> (6) Switch back to TextEdit and hit Cmd-V for paste again.
> (7) The pasted text will have lost all of its styling.
>
> Maybe you have a workflow in which you never, ever, ever copy styled
> text to the Clipboard and expect it to retain its styles. I don't
> usually work with styled text, either, but I can't guarantee I never
> will -- and Mel is absolutely right. TextMate has absolutely no business
> mucking about with the clipboard when no command that should touch the
> clipboard is invoked. This may be a bug that few people encounter, but
> it's a potentially serious one for people who use the clipboard a lot.
> (And it's one I've just opened a ticket on.)
>
> --
> Watts Martin <layotl at gmail.com>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:01:13 -0400
> From: Joshua Kehn <josh.kehn at gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
>        system-wide pasteboard
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> I understand the problem, I'm saying I don't find copying already formatted
> text a priority.
>
> The fact that it does muck with the clipboard would be an annoyance if you
> routinely tab through TextMate on your way to pasting RTF copy into another
> application.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Josh___________________________________________
> Joshua Kehn | Josh.Kehn at gmail.com
> http://joshuakehn.com
>
> On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Watts Martin wrote:
>
> > Joshua Kehn wrote:
> > > Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then
> > > it's worth in my opinion.
> >
> > I'm not sure you're understanding the problem that Mel described.
> >
> > (1) Open a TextEdit document.
> > (2) Add a few lines of text and then style some of them: make one
> > italic, one bold, one a different font, one centered.
> > (3) Copy these lines with Cmd-C or the edit menu.
> > (4) Paste them onto the end of the document just to verify that you get
> > back what you copied, with all the styles.
> > (5) Switch to an open TextMate window. Don't do ANYTHING. Just switch to
> it.
> > (6) Switch back to TextEdit and hit Cmd-V for paste again.
> > (7) The pasted text will have lost all of its styling.
> >
> > Maybe you have a workflow in which you never, ever, ever copy styled
> > text to the Clipboard and expect it to retain its styles. I don't
> > usually work with styled text, either, but I can't guarantee I never
> > will -- and Mel is absolutely right. TextMate has absolutely no business
> > mucking about with the clipboard when no command that should touch the
> > clipboard is invoked. This may be a bug that few people encounter, but
> > it's a potentially serious one for people who use the clipboard a lot.
> > (And it's one I've just opened a ticket on.)
> >
> > --
> > Watts Martin <layotl at gmail.com>
> >
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> Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:17:43 -0700
> From: Mark Jackson <mrcodewizard at gmail.com>
> To: TextMate users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
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> On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Watts Martin wrote:
>
> > I'm not sure you're understanding the problem that Mel described
>
> If that's true then you should direct your tirade at BIGHYPE for failing to
> provide basic info to explain/test the alleged bug. Even with your steps to
> replicate, which may not be what s/he/it did, it still may not be TM's
> fault.
>
> I am tired of the people who automatically assume it's this or that program
> because of a thin thread of connection. Correlation is not causation. Then
> come on the list and start thumping their chest about the SERIOUS bug THEY
> found.
>
> I am sure I am not the only one here who feels that some people, BIGHYPE
> *hint* and others, need to tone their attitude down. Being an ass, doesn't
> help anyone.
>
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