[TxMt] 'undoing' for days [gripe]

[R. Strachan]

Allow the user to decide which works best for him/her, with character AND
block based editing to exist side by side.

My explanation gave an example with an existing application, and references
for those who don't use 'that' application.

-- 
Shannon

On 11/4/04 21:07, "James Andrews" <jamesandrews at mac.com> wrote:

> We already have Cmd-z to step back through the undo stack and
> Cmd-Shift-z to move forward through it so I don't understand the
> difference. For me the issue is a matter of preference regarding block
> vs. character based granularity i.e. the points in the stack you move
> back or forwards to.
> 
> Personally I generally prefer the block-based version for speed and
> because every other text editing app for the OS X GUI works this way
> (so I guess I'm used to it). I can understand the benefits in certain
> circumstances for character based undo, but find it's too granular for
> me most of the time. I would like to see undo work the same as the
> other apps (i.e. block based) for speed and intuitiveness (i.e.
> expected behaviour) but switch to a more fine grained approach with an
> additional modifier (Alt or Ctrl). There is little danger of losing
> stuff with the block approach as you can always move forward through
> the re-do stack if you've gone too far (and then switch to a fine
> grained approach to move back slowly if necessary).
> 
> I can understand some others might want to have the default being
> character based (though expect the majority to prefer the block
> approach) so perhaps we can have a mode-toggle or a preference to keep
> us all happy.
> 
> On 4 Nov 2004, at 19:38, R. Strachan wrote:
> 
>> On 11/4/04 19:04, "Sune Foldager" <cryo at diku.dk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 5. nov 2004, at 3:06, R. Strachan wrote:
>>> 
>>>> In a graphics application (Photoshop Elements), there's Undo, Step
>>>> Forward,
>>>> and Step Backwards.
>>>> In my limited use of PE, I've found Undo is like a character by
>>>> character
>>>> undo. Step Backwards is chunk based undo.
>>>> Step Backwards undoes a group of pen strokes, or actions. Like a
>>>> group
>>>> of
>>>> brush strokes.
>>>> 
>>>> Undo reverts one of the brush strokes.
>>>> I hope y'all can understand what I'm trying to explain.
>>>> Could something similar be done in TM?
>>> 
>>> Sounds complicated... I like better that both discrete (like it is
>>> now)
>>> and block undo/redo will be available for instance on cmd-z and
>>> cmd-opt-z for undo. Then, which one binds to what should be a
>>> preferences setting. I would like cmd-z to be discrete undo; I imagine
>>> most others would like it the other way around.
>> 
>> My descriptions always sound more complicated than actual use :-)
>> 
>> How you imagine what others would like is how PE has it.
>> 
>> Step Forward is cmd-y
>> 
>> Step Backward is cmd-z
>> 
>> Undo is cmd-option-z
>> 
>> 
>> If the option to swap the key combos were available, it might make
>> things
>> easier for many people but I also think that too many customizations
>> can get
>> in the way of functionality.
>>