[TxMt] Re: prerelease

[William Pickens]

I'm with you on this, when TM2 comes, I will be more than happy to pay for it, even tho Alan said it will be free for current license holders...

Alan, forgive a few of us knuckle heads :)

All I entended was to +1 the idea of getting a preview link for list users, thats all… no harassment, no hate, just reinforcing the idea that TM is an awesome editor and excited to see a newer version…


On Dec 7, 2011, at 8:27 AM, Hans Stimer wrote:

> For anyone who has spent some time in the last few months perusing the commit log of github/avian then you would feel confident that we are close.
> 
> For anyone who has been whining, I don't get you. While waiting for a better TM2, I've taught myself VIM, and purchased and tried Vico, SublimeText2, Tincta, and Coda. I like to encourage all of them :-)
> 
> Vim is amazing once you get past the billion hour learning curve. The problem I have with it is the fragility of the extensions. There isn't a consistently followed packaging standard so the package managers don't always work. Additionally, the quality of the extensions isn't as good as TM so you end up fixing extension bugs and VIM configuration issues to get a TM like editor. However, those keybinding are very productive. I find it hard to go back to an editor now days that doesn't have the movement and basic command keybindings.
> 
> SublimeText2 is my main choice now days for cranking out code. I use the Vintage package which gives me my Vim key movement and command compatibility. Additionally, the project system works well for me. 
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> Vico, is kind of like a MacVim clone but better. The only reason I use SublimeText2 over Vico is the SublimeText2 project system.
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> Both Vico and SublimeText2 support sftp remote file editing which is very handy at times.
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> TinctaPro, and Coda lack a Vim mode so I haven't spent much time with them.
> 
> When TM2 preview comes out later this month, I'll check it out. First to see if my plugin still works, and then to see if makes me more productive than what I'm using now. Regardless,  I will buy TM2 once Alan allows me to, even though he has promised me a free upgrade. As I said, I like to encourage them all :-)
> 
> One thing you will see when you try a bunch of editors, is the influence Alan has had on editors. His ideas have been replicated everywhere, and in a few cases, improved on. Almost all the editors now support the TM language grammar, and snippet files. Also, if you follow the discussions, for these other editors, people regularly complain about how they differ to TM and practically hound the authors to better comply with TM.
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> I'm at a complete loss why anyone would harass Alan. He created the best editor available when it was released. He created compelling new ways of doing things that almost all editors adopted. So what if he went away for a long time to work on his next creation? TM still works, and there are a bunch of TM inspired editors to try. Why the drama? 
> 
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> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:44 AM, Jay States <j.states at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks Allan,
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> This was crazy!!
> 
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> Jay States from iPhone
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> On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:41 AM, Allan Odgaard <mailinglist at textmate.org> wrote:
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> > Please stop this nonsense!
> >
> > Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
> >
> > My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
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> > ¹ http://macromates.com/license_policy
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> > On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
> >>
> >> I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
> >>
> >> But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
> >>
> >> Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> --
> >> Adam Strzelecki
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