[TxMt] Re: prerelease

[Merrifield Adam]

Come on people! You bought the current product. You get support for the current product. In no way, in any market anywhere, does that make you a shareholder. So why do you all act as though you've lost some sort of investment if the fables TM2 never materializes?

This theme comes up time and time again and I honestly think that Allan has every right to be snippy about it. It is counter productive and hurtful at times. Allan owes us nothing beyond support of the product we paid for (5 years ago for me) which is TM 1.X. And he does a great job at that. He is one man working on arguably one of the most versatile and complex pieces of software around. He has goals, setbacks, hopes, dreams, doubts and emotions. You didn't buy TM1.X from a vending machine.

Allan is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. So say he hurriedly pushes out a beta of TM2 before Christmas to make all you whiners happy... and it's unstable, bug filled, crashy... then what's the theme of these threads going to be? "TM2 is garbage! I'm going back to TM1.5!"

But if waits until he feels TM2 is worthy of a public beta and perhaps misses some Christmas deadline, then what? "Another 'promised' TM2 deadline missed! FAIL! I'm going to Sublime Text 2 where they eat rainbows and poop butterflies!"

Yes we're all rooting for a TM2 someday, and yes we are all allowed to get eager and excited about it as was the initial intent of this thread. But then all too quickly it turns into the hater thread, the "Where is TM2?" thread, the "You owe us your first born child for your failure to produce!" thread.

Those of us who are happy using TM1.5 are growing so weary of the "Where is TM2?" threads. If TM1.5 has issues for you, submit a bug report, get support for TM1.5, the version you paid for. If this is not enough for you then kindly move on to VI, emacs, Sublime Text 2, YourTextEditorHere and troll their mailing lists.

Adam Merrifield
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On Dec 7, 2011, at 10:47 AM, Marc Chanliau wrote:

> Dude, you should be nicer. Your product is not free, we pay for it (which is fine), so there's such a thing called "customer service." Customers are pesky in general so you need to be patient with them otherwise you sound like a Google employee!
> Just saying...
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> On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 7:41 AM, Allan Odgaard <mailinglist at textmate.org> wrote:
> Please stop this nonsense!
> 
> Christmas falls on the 24th of December (or 25th in some countries), we said a public alpha will be out before Christmas — posting that you don’t believe this, when you’ll be proven right or wrong in less than 3 weeks, doesn’t seem productive.
> 
> My life sure wouldn’t be worse if I didn’t have to deal with this topic on a regular basis, so your speculation is off — if you actually go look at the official 2.0 statement¹ we’ve had on our site for years, it makes it clear that there is no guarantee that 2.0 will come out — the posts in the past were prompted by pressure from the community about a status update coupled with me being in a productive phase making me less pessimistic about the project, yet I generally ended such posts with a disclaimer discouraging people from buying TM based on hopes of future improvements.
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> On 7 Dec 2011, at 14:11, Adam Strzelecki wrote:
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> > Hi,
> >
> > Let me put my 2 cents in the discussion. I do not believe we gonna see TM2 anytime soon, regardless Alan giving us a glimpse of hope we gonna see new shiny TM2 till end of this year. I am not a judge what is the real reason that we are promised to see alphas, betas, but none of the promises are ever fulfilled (so far).
> >
> > I may only speculate (trying not to be troll here) that making an impression that TM2 is in steady development may be a good way to fight with possible competition, as nobody dares to start developing a new text editor that can be real threat for TextMate knowing that version 2 (aka Holy Grail) can be released anytime soon.
> >
> > But for us TextMate users, it is no good at all. As the old long long standing bugs or feature request (i.e. line wrap with indentations or better memory handling for text files with really long lines) never going to be fixed, as it TM2 is the one to sort them out.
> >
> > Once again I don't need TM2, I just need to have couple of issues fixed in TM1.
> >
> > Regards,
> > --
> > Adam Strzelecki
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