[TxMt] Re: TM2 in the Vaporware Awards

[Rick Gigger]

Thanks for the suggestions.  I'm not really actively trying to move away from TextMate though.  I was responding mostly to this comment: "Nothing like allowing a product to founder, while the competition catches up, and surpasses."  I was mostly just casting doubt on the idea that there were all of these other editors out there that had not only caught up to TextMate but surpassed.  I'm sure if Eclipse is your thing then it has probably always been superior to TextMate.  I loathe Eclipse and find it to be a huge bloated mess.  If there was an editor that had caught up with TextMate and surpassed it in all the areas that are important to me then I would take a look at it but I don't think that anything actually has.  As such I will be waiting patiently to dish out some money for TM2 when it is released.

I'm not saying I like it in the vaporware awards, I'm just contesting that even this enormous amount of time has been enough for "the competition" to make an editor that I would prefer over TextMate.

Thanks you again for your suggestions though, I am on a Mac but it would be nice for my Windows using colleagues to have the same capabilities that I enjoy in TextMate.  Alas as far as I can tell there isn't anything yet on windows that fulfills these requirements.

Thanks,

Rick

On Jan 5, 2010, at 3:33 PM, Brad Hutchins wrote:

> Perhaps jEdit, or Eclipse in General.  PSPad is probably the best free text editor for Windows.
> 
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> On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Rick Gigger <rick at alpinenetworking.com> wrote:
> I have not taken much time to investigate this but so far I have been unable to find anything that feels as natural as TextMate.  Is there another editor that has these features:
> 
> 1. Snippets with place holders that you can tab through
> 2. The equivalent of TextMate commands
> 3. An equivilent of the cmd-T go to file command
> 4. The ability to make an ad-hoc project by opening a folder on the command line
> 5. An equivilent of the cmd-shift-T go to symbol command
> 6. Nested syntax highlighting (for example the ability to intermingle javascript, php, html, css in one file and have them all highlighted correctly)
> 
> These seem like pretty basic features at this point but they are the one's that really draw me to TextMate. With TextMate 2 taking so long I have looked around to see if another editor has emerged with the same usability and I just haven't found anything.
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> Can any other editor do all these things?
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> Thanks,
> 
> Rick
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> On Jan 1, 2010, at 8:48 AM, Timothy Reaves wrote:
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> > On Dec 23, 2009, at 1:41 PM, Alex Ross wrote:
> >
> >> On Dec 23, 2009, at 7:45 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
> >>
> >>> heh… yesterday I proudly told my brother in law that I am now so mainstream that TM has made it to Wired’s vaporware list, though he didn’t know what vaporware was ;)
> >>
> >> “Congratulations” was my first thought…
> >>
> >
> >
> >       Congratulations indeed.  Nothing like allowing a product to founder, while the competition catches up, and surpasses.  I remember when TM outshone by far the Xcode editor.  That hasn't been the case now for a good long time.  Same for other editors.  I still use it, even with all of it's flaws, but only for a replacement for mvim.
> >
> >       I understand software is hard; I've written a few million lines of code in my time.  I also understand how easy it is to get in over your head.  A particular company I worked for known best for internet search starts many of it's apps as small, single programmer projects.  Then they catch on like wildfire, and the company takes them over, and makes them capable of the larger attention base.  And they have great problems at this.  It is very difficult to take a small app that is popular, and turn it into a bigger app that is just as popular.  Especially with inadequate development resources.
> >
> >       So, yes, TM is still very popular with the cult that use it.  But I'll tell ya what: at that afore mentioned company the majority of non-Java developers insist that emacs is still the best out there.  Draw your own conclusions.
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