[TextMate] Re: Window splitting
James Hill
jamie at soniciq.com
Tue Oct 19 08:34:48 UTC 2004
With regards to Allans comment about the window splitting, this would
be great as I have a couple of guys who won't move from JEdit because
of this one feature. They are doing PHP, XHTML and CSS.
Keep up the good work, this is turning out to be a cracking little
editor.
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> 1. Re: Window splitting? (Allan Odgaard)
> 2. Re: Shift Left, Shift Right (jeremy*pinnix)
> 3. Re: Left Padding (Allan Odgaard)
> 4. Leave the tabs as they were (James Hill)
> 5. Show Web Preview... options ( Jos? Campos )
> 6. Re: Re: folding idea (Ivan Pan)
> 7. Re: TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues (Allan Odgaard)
> 8. Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (Andrew Green)
> 9. Re: Couple little gnats (Phil Aaronson)
> 10. Re: suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets (Raena Armitage)
> 11. Re: b7 project drawer visuals (jeremy*pinnix)
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> From: Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:19:49 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>, Ivan Pan
> <ifanpan at gmail.com>
> Cc: Subject: Re: [TextMate] Window splitting?
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
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>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:47, Ivan Pan wrote:
>
>> Just a suggestion. Maybe lay out a roadmap or a check list, so we
>> won't keep nagging you about something that's already in the work.
>
> I have considered that, but I fear that it may actually lead to the
> opposite situation, also I really cannot make any estimates to when
> what will happen -- people should consider, “is this a common editor
> feature?” if the answer is yes, most likely I know about it and
> eventually plan to get around to it ;)
>
> For now there is the feature requests in the wiki -- I do read these,
> but currently do not comment on when what is planned.
>
>> It's already a great text editor and certainly an editor that would
>> make BBEdit worry. Keep up the good work.
>
> That's another reason, don't want to give them too much insight in
> planned features, as some stuff is sort of "new" :)
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jeremy*pinnix <jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:22:50 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Shift Left, Shift Right
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> Option-Tab for shifting to the right
> Shift-Option-Tab for shifting to the left
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>
>> Ok, there is one nagging problem I've been having that no one has
>> seemed to bring up yet. What is the arrow symbol (for Shift Left and
>> Shift Right) equivalent to on my powerbook? I've checked the Mac help
>> and the symbol isn't even listed in it's Special Key guide. I've
>> attached a screenshot of the help page, as you can see it's not
>> there. I've tried every combination of keys that I can think of, but
>> nothing works. I have to resort to choosing it from the menu.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mike
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> From: Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:23:57 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Left Padding
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
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>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:01, Michael Sheets wrote:
>
>>> There already is 2 pixels?!?
>> Sorry, I meant 2-3 more, not total. If the small padding is so good
>> why is there more on the top? ;)
>
> That's a bug! ;)
>
> Well, I think I initially did 6 pixels on each of the sides, but when
> I added gutter-stuff, I made it 2 pixels between folding-markers and
> end of gutter (and/or line numbers etc.), so I removed some to make it
> symmetrical.
>
> I don't like too much padding, e.g. NSTextView seems to be using 1.5
> times the width of a character or so, and that makes it hard for me to
> see how much stuff is indented.
>
> But I can probably be persuaded to add two more pixels.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
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>
> From: James Hill <jamie at soniciq.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:28:19 BST
> To: textmate at lists.macromates.com
> Subject: [TextMate] Leave the tabs as they were
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
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>
> I thing the tabs should be as they were in the first release. Clean
> and just fine. Too many programs today end up with fancy bevels etc
> all over the place. Keep it clean and lightweight I say.
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 19:18, textmate-request at lists.macromates.com wrote:
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>> 1. Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (C J Silverio)
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>> From: C J Silverio <ceej at spies.com>
>> Date: 18 October 2004 19:08:57 BST
>> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
>> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
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>>
>> On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:
>>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the
>>> selected tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and
>>> it does have some issues in regards to the colour of the document
>>> (eg Ruby's black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
>>> One day maybe :)
>>
>> You might find something to use in Camino's take:
>> <CaminoSnap001.png>
>>
>> The selected tab bleeds into a stripe that goes across the window,
>> but is still separate from the document display. This helps indicate
>> "this tab is live", but doesn't war with the rendered page.
>>
>> --ceej
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> From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (José Campos)
> Date: 18 October 2004 16:44:07 BST
> To: textmate at lists.macromates.com (TM Users)
> Subject: [TextMate] Show Web Preview... options
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> "Show Web Preview" is very nice but...
>
> + on a computer where PHP is enabled,
> + for files that are located somewhere in the ~/Sites/ folder,
> + instead of opening them as :
> "file:///Users/jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
> + it would be nicer to open them as :
> "http://127.0.0.1/~jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
>
> ...so that the PHP code could be fully seen
>
> Have a nice day,
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> From: Ivan Pan <ifanpan at gmail.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 15:34:56 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
> Reply-To: Ivan Pan <ifanpan at gmail.com>, TM Users
> <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
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>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:51:11 +0100, Chris Jenkins
> <chrisjenkins at mac.com> wrote:
>> Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of
>> hierarchy
>> and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the
>> gutter (I
>> changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some
>> way also
>> be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as
>> a way
>> of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket
>> over
>> long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.
>
> 1. tab icons: more visually intuitive that what we have, though I am
> fine with what we have.
> 2. connector's subbranch: I like the idea to have multiple folding
> markers within the same indentation.
> 3. explicit folding markers: I want to be able to clear some of the
> markers in the gutter by manually setting the marking. I sometimes
> have too many markers together.
>
> ip
>
>
>
>
> From: Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:44:00 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Mats Persson wrote:
>
>> When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre
>> the current line where the cursor happens to be. Although I can't
>> swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but
>> now I do, and it is a bit irritating.
>
> It has always been the case ;) I realize that not all like it, since
> some e.g. scroll w/o moving the caret. It'll be improved down the
> road.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Green <andrew at article7.co.uk>
> Date: 18 October 2004 14:32:23 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected
>> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does
>> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's
>> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
>
> I think the reason this seems necessary is the way that the tabs adjoin
> the document area. You'll notice that Safari puts the tabs the other
> way up, so that they adjoin the toolbar instead.
>
> Admittedly, TM doesn't have a toolbar, but I do wonder if the tabs
> would work the other way up anyway, adjoining the window title bar
> rather than the document area. Sadly, no mockup is forthcoming from me
> on this!
>
> It could be a really bad idea, of course. I'm just wondering.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
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> From: Phil Aaronson <phil at hinkty.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:53:30 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Jeroen wrote:
>
>> Phil Aaronson wrote:
>>> Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't
>>> exist in a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a
>>> BBEdit user which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold
>>> some text in vim, say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the
>>> cursor. Undo ('u') undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to
>>> expect.
>>
>> You're right, I thought Vim did not put folding on the undo stack,
>> but it does indeed.
>
> For the record, in vim, undo also undoes text selection.
>
>> However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack,
>> simply because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.
>
> I'm getting that impression :) Not that this is a big deal, but most
> apps I use seem to break it down along command vs. setting line, not
> content vs. representation of content. That said a command vs. setting
> undo is a little more difficult line to walk with TextMate than a lot
> of other apps.
>
>> And word processors != text editors, there's a world of difference
>> between them.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Raena Armitage <raena at raena.net>
> Date: 18 October 2004 16:57:22 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 8:28 pm, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>> Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's
>> something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)
>>
>> Though I'm still not entirely sure how to do it.
>
> Outline view would make the most sense to me as a user.
>
> José Campos adds:
>> Drawers, just like the project drawer would be nice, just add
>> radio-buttons in the tab bar to select which drawer to open
>> (Project-Command-Macros-Snippets-Clipboard history-Templates)
>
> ...that's a lot of things, and I personally wouldn't feel that the
> project area (where documents live) is an appropriate place to also
> find bundly things -- although I wouldn't find it strange to find
> templates there.
>
> Perhaps the contextual menu could accommodate something, though?
> Currently it has 'Filter through Command,' but perhaps some oft-used
> snippets wouldn't go astray here?
>
>
>
>
> From: jeremy*pinnix <jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 14:26:39 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> I would also prefer they not be bold. The folder icon is sufficient.
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Johan Sörensen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know I'm being anal about this, but then again I am a mac user, but
>> I'm not really sure I like the bold for the folders in the
>> projectdrawer. They are already plenty visually marked with the
>> standard mac os folder icon, no need to bold up the text, in fact,
>> this is probably the first application where I've seen this (afaik).
>> I'm also not too sure about the file-texts being ~80% black, but that
>> I can live with, it's just the boldness of the folders that's a little
>> too much!
>>
>> If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by
>> it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with
>> a defaults write)
>>
>> -- johan
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