It would be nice to be able to have multiple rows of document tabs instead of just one row and the arrows on the right you have to click on to get a menu list of the rest of your open documents.
Is there a way to get the full path of a file to display in the editor window title?
just hover your mouse over the tab and it will show the full path On Mar 25, 2005, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Wood wrote:
It would be nice to be able to have multiple rows of document tabs instead of just one row and the arrows on the right you have to click on to get a menu list of the rest of your open documents.
Is there a way to get the full path of a file to display in the editor window title?
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it'd be nice to have it at a glance in the window title though.
On Mar 25, 2005, at 11:09 PM, Lang Riley wrote:
just hover your mouse over the tab and it will show the full path On Mar 25, 2005, at 2:59 PM, Bryan Wood wrote:
It would be nice to be able to have multiple rows of document tabs instead of just one row and the arrows on the right you have to click on to get a menu list of the rest of your open documents.
Is there a way to get the full path of a file to display in the editor window title?
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On Mar 26, 2005, at 9:53, Bryan Wood wrote:
it'd be nice to have it at a glance in the window title though.
For the full title (reply): http://lists.macromates.com/pipermail/textmate/2005-February/ 003038.html
For the rows of tabs, I'm afraid that this will look crappy (prove me wrong by sending a mockup ;) ), and I think with changed “open in tab” behavior (to make that an explicit request, like Safari, and then history per tab), having the tab bar overflow will happen less.
On 25-03-2005 23:59, Bryan Wood wrote:
It would be nice to be able to have multiple rows of document tabs instead of just one row and the arrows on the right you have to click on to get a menu list of the rest of your open documents.
Multiple rows of tabs is a *really bad* idea from a usability standpoint. That is why they are nowhere to be found in OS X. And almost any other program that I know of that uses tabs (Firefox, Safari, etc.), does not support multiple rows.
The problem with multiple tab rows is that it is not immediately clear to the user what would happen if he would click a tab from a row that is not the lowest. Does it stay in that row? What happens to the other rows ? And what if the row would move down? Then all of the lower row tabs must move somewhere else and the user must make an effort to find them again.
So it might seem like a good idea when you request it, but it's really not that useful to have... A better way would be to have tabs that close themselves after you don't use them for a loooooong time.
Jeroen.
Double tab rows are a dud idea: agreed.
Allen wrote:
For the rows of tabs, I'm afraid that this will look crappy (prove me wrong by sending a mockup ;) ), and I think with changed “open in tab” behavior (to make that an explicit request, like Safari, and then history per tab), having the tab bar overflow will happen less.
Sounds like a great idea.
... to have tabs that close themselves after you don't use them for a loooooong time.
I think that this and variations on this theme are well worth investigation too. These are so central to TextMate's interface I think it's worth considering from a few angles . Maybe (in any combination):
* An option to allow only as many open tabs as will fit in the (window width | page width according to right margin line | whatever), closing longest-untouched first if already saved.
* Ability to 'pin' tabs to stop them autoclosing.
* a 'buffer list' available in the sidebar (in place of tabs?). Hotkey or modifier (option sounds sensible) toggles between this & project window. I'd really like this ;)
By the way : Command-T is bitchin' . I gotta start using this more ..
D
On 26/03/2005, at 8:20 PM, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
On 25-03-2005 23:59, Bryan Wood wrote:
It would be nice to be able to have multiple rows of document tabs instead of just one row and the arrows on the right you have to click on to get a menu list of the rest of your open documents.
Multiple rows of tabs is a *really bad* idea from a usability standpoint. That is why they are nowhere to be found in OS X. And almost any other program that I know of that uses tabs (Firefox, Safari, etc.), does not support multiple rows.
The problem with multiple tab rows is that it is not immediately clear to the user what would happen if he would click a tab from a row that is not the lowest. Does it stay in that row? What happens to the other rows ? And what if the row would move down? Then all of the lower row tabs must move somewhere else and the user must make an effort to find them again.
So it might seem like a good idea when you request it, but it's really not that useful to have... A better way would be to have tabs that close themselves after you don't use them for a loooooong time.
Jeroen.
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On 26.03.2005, at 10:20, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
Multiple rows of tabs is a *really bad* idea from a usability standpoint. That is why they are nowhere to be found in OS X. And almost any other program that I know of that uses tabs (Firefox, Safari, etc.), does not support multiple rows.
i can't stress this enough. anyone requesting multi-line tabs should spend 30 minutes in front of a windows boxen changing settings for the system or in microsoft office.
that should settle the issue once and for all...
i personally attribute the loss of at least some of my hair to multi-row tabs in windows and office but my wife says it's genetic ;-)
tom -- tom lazar tom@tomster.org http://tomster.org
Can it be an option?
On Mar 26, 2005, at 7:36AM, Tom Lazar wrote:
On 26.03.2005, at 10:20, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
Multiple rows of tabs is a *really bad* idea from a usability standpoint. That is why they are nowhere to be found in OS X. And almost any other program that I know of that uses tabs (Firefox, Safari, etc.), does not support multiple rows.
i can't stress this enough. anyone requesting multi-line tabs should spend 30 minutes in front of a windows boxen changing settings for the system or in microsoft office.
that should settle the issue once and for all...
i personally attribute the loss of at least some of my hair to multi-row tabs in windows and office but my wife says it's genetic ;-)
tom
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Hi Allen / all , here's an account of my opinion on what might be done about tabs. A general wish list follows in no consistent order.
1) < and > arrows appear when more tabs are open than fit. You scroll all the tabs left or right to see tabs offscreen. It scrolls one tab at a time.
2) When you use the keyboard to move through open files, the arrangement of tabs move to keep the currently open file's tab visible at all times.
3) The drop-down list of offscreen tabs should stay.
4) Make people aware that you can hit ctrl-cmd-n to get a new project window, drag the files you're currently working on in there and use the project drawer to flip between them. I just extrapolated this from one of Allen's other posts and it feels very promising.
Can we be able to 'open these tabs in new project' with a menu command / shortcut? It's not the perfect long term solution but will always be useful whatever is.
4) A proper buffer list. Something very like 'Go To File' (which is fantastic) but shows only open files (grouped by window if more than one window is open.
Visual indication of files' status (whether saved, etc), and keyboard shortcuts to close / save files would round it out nicely.
Maybe the immediate solution is to base this completely on the 'Go To File' window; say Command-shift-T opens GTF constrained to files open in tabs.
Maybe it's to run it in the project drawer (with modifier key or combo to toggle). Or a drawer on the other side. The important things are that its really fast & cosy to access and use, and TextMatey.
I think the buffer list could stand to evolve into something really cool. Emac's & Vim's are useful as hell, and are arguably more convenient than tabs most of the time.
5) What you said about making new tabs 'opt-in' like in safari
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Oh yeah. I'm a split view junkie. Up-down, left-right, any combination. Just the way nature intended.
I'd love to see a good regular expression composer (Komodo does this superbly, Kdevelop well too).
And a lean keyboard-aware file manager to rival dired (but which looks slightly more like NewsFire).
And a (breathtakingly innovative) way to interact with a terminal inside TextMate.
And a well considered 'intellisense' implementation which can include your own completion items (and later, those in included files) in heaps of languages.
Better thought out (two way) clipboard history / more emacs-like kill ring.
'Numbered buffers' like Vi.
Multiple 'paste previous' / 'paste next' commands rewrite the last ones' output (which can probably be hacked by leaving it selected after each paste, but thats not ideal).
Keybindings to - 'bounce' on braces / parens / quotes - move cursor to start / end of current paragraph - select current paragraph / function
Vi style commands like 63,72d ... ;) (well this is a wishlist ..)
Hard wrap & manually prompted reflow.
A function / class browser.
Better print output (allow choice of different font for printing; programmer fonts look terrible) & optionally include syntax highlighting & line numbers.
cheers
| ) /\Vi| )
On 30/03/2005, at 1:24 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
On Mar 29, 2005, at 9:00, Bryan Wood wrote:
Can it be an option?
Sorry, no. I want to pursue a better handling of tabs, not start to add options to suit every persons individual taste ;)
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Attn: David Lee, but also for others similarly afflicted.
I might be in a temporary bad mood situation right now, but I just have to say the following:
1. PLEASE start a new subject in a NEW e-mail !! DO NOT do a reply to something else and then change the subject title. This is simple basic ML etiquette, so please make an effort to follow this. David has now been asked nicely twice in one day, so here's hoping for some results ;-)
2. The importance of using people's correct names: (For everyone's benefit)
On 26 Mar 2005, at 12:48, David Lee wrote:
Allen wrote:
On 31 Mar 2005, at 17:44, David Lee wrote:
Hi Allen / all ...
Our names are among the most valuable possessions we have in our lives. Most humans put great value in being named correctly and in having their name remembered correctly by others. If I called you Duvad Lee I guess you wouldn't be too pleased. Maybe it doesn't bother you, and if that's the case, then it should from now onwards, as you will be at a constant disadvantage when dealing with other people if you don't remember their names correctly.
I doubt that Allan would ever ignore you or your views/ideas/questions, but I am 99% certain that somewhere subconsciously in Allan's mind you would loose some brownie-points by not spelling his name correctly twice.
My name is Mats and I am tired of being called the wrong name by people - generally English speakers - that can't be bothered to learn a new name. I find it rude and think it shows bad manners.
Enough said.
Kind regards,
Mats
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eh.
1. Sorry i thought i had this time 2. Oops my bad, i should sleep more
D
On 01/04/2005, at 3:51 AM, Mats Persson wrote:
Attn: David Lee, but also for others similarly afflicted.
I might be in a temporary bad mood situation right now, but I just have to say the following:
- PLEASE start a new subject in a NEW e-mail !! DO NOT do a reply
to something else and then change the subject title. This is simple basic ML etiquette, so please make an effort to follow this. David has now been asked nicely twice in one day, so here's hoping for some results ;-)
- The importance of using people's correct names: (For everyone's
benefit)
On 26 Mar 2005, at 12:48, David Lee wrote:
Allen wrote:
On 31 Mar 2005, at 17:44, David Lee wrote:
Hi Allen / all ...
Our names are among the most valuable possessions we have in our lives. Most humans put great value in being named correctly and in having their name remembered correctly by others. If I called you Duvad Lee I guess you wouldn't be too pleased. Maybe it doesn't bother you, and if that's the case, then it should from now onwards, as you will be at a constant disadvantage when dealing with other people if you don't remember their names correctly.
I doubt that Allan would ever ignore you or your views/ideas/questions, but I am 99% certain that somewhere subconsciously in Allan's mind you would loose some brownie-points by not spelling his name correctly twice.
My name is Mats and I am tired of being called the wrong name by people - generally English speakers - that can't be bothered to learn a new name. I find it rude and think it shows bad manners.
Enough said.
Kind regards,
Mats
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Sorry about this; I think it's twice I've been chewed out for threading before . I honestly thought I'd started a new one this time. Next time for sure.
My apologies to Allan for misspelling his name too - It was 3.30 am or so when i wrote this and I was well overdue for a nap.
Still i think they're good ideas, and some of them worth discussion. Bad moods and basic table manners aside, do you have any reactions to the content?
D
On 01/04/2005, at 12:09 PM, David Lee wrote:
eh.
- Sorry i thought i had this time
- Oops my bad, i should sleep more
D
On 01/04/2005, at 3:51 AM, Mats Persson wrote:
Attn: David Lee, but also for others similarly afflicted.
I might be in a temporary bad mood situation right now, but I just have to say the following:
- PLEASE start a new subject in a NEW e-mail !! DO NOT do a reply
to something else and then change the subject title. This is simple basic ML etiquette, so please make an effort to follow this. David has now been asked nicely twice in one day, so here's hoping for some results ;-)
- The importance of using people's correct names: (For everyone's
benefit)
On 26 Mar 2005, at 12:48, David Lee wrote:
Allen wrote:
On 31 Mar 2005, at 17:44, David Lee wrote:
Hi Allen / all ...
Our names are among the most valuable possessions we have in our lives. Most humans put great value in being named correctly and in having their name remembered correctly by others. If I called you Duvad Lee I guess you wouldn't be too pleased. Maybe it doesn't bother you, and if that's the case, then it should from now onwards, as you will be at a constant disadvantage when dealing with other people if you don't remember their names correctly.
I doubt that Allan would ever ignore you or your views/ideas/questions, but I am 99% certain that somewhere subconsciously in Allan's mind you would loose some brownie-points by not spelling his name correctly twice.
My name is Mats and I am tired of being called the wrong name by people - generally English speakers - that can't be bothered to learn a new name. I find it rude and think it shows bad manners.
Enough said.
Kind regards,
Mats
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