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Today's Topics:

  1.  TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
     pasteboard (Mel Brands)
  2.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
     pasteboard (Joshua Kehn)
  3.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
     pasteboard (Watts Martin)
  4.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
     pasteboard (Joshua Kehn)
  5.  Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
     pasteboard (Mark Jackson)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:45:49 -0400
From: Mel Brands <bighype@gmail.com>
To: TextMate users <textmate@lists.macromates.com>
Subject: [TxMt] TM modifies/destroys the contents of the system-wide
       pasteboard
Message-ID: <BANLkTikXDjrjBBkLAcKtG0W5pBbLh6bB-w@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

I've come across another serious TM bug :(

It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
user doing the ?+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ?-tab to TM, TM
will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.

Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
solution for now?

Mel


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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:47:35 -0400
From: Joshua Kehn <josh.kehn@gmail.com>
To: TextMate users <textmate@lists.macromates.com>
Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
       system-wide pasteboard
Message-ID: <D32113888E05420D95668EB217F51F35@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then it's worth in my opinion.

Regards,

-Josh___________________________________________
Joshua Kehn | Josh.Kehn@gmail.com
http://joshuakehn.com

On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Mel Brands wrote:
Hi all,
>
> I've come across another serious TM bug :(
>
> It appears that TM modifies the contents of the pasteboard without the
> user doing the ?+c. If you copy a piece of rich text (or text with
> image data) and you just switch to TM so its window is frontmost and
> active, TM will go ahead and just strip all rich edit out of text and
> leave you with just plain text representation. You can verify this if
> you use any of the pasteboard history viewers. Or say you copy a large
> number of cells out of Numbers and you inadvertently ?-tab to TM, TM
> will freeze while it's messing up your pasteboard data.
>
> Anyway, modifying system-wide pasteboard without any user input is
> really bad form. Will this ever be fixed or is MacVim the only
> solution for now?
>
> Mel
>
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate@lists.macromates.com
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 12:58:32 -0700
From: Watts Martin <layotl@gmail.com>
To: TextMate users <textmate@lists.macromates.com>
Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
       system-wide pasteboard
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Joshua Kehn wrote:
> Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then
> it's worth in my opinion.

I'm not sure you're understanding the problem that Mel described.

(1) Open a TextEdit document.
(2) Add a few lines of text and then style some of them: make one
italic, one bold, one a different font, one centered.
(3) Copy these lines with Cmd-C or the edit menu.
(4) Paste them onto the end of the document just to verify that you get
back what you copied, with all the styles.
(5) Switch to an open TextMate window. Don't do ANYTHING. Just switch to it.
(6) Switch back to TextEdit and hit Cmd-V for paste again.
(7) The pasted text will have lost all of its styling.

Maybe you have a workflow in which you never, ever, ever copy styled
text to the Clipboard and expect it to retain its styles. I don't
usually work with styled text, either, but I can't guarantee I never
will -- and Mel is absolutely right. TextMate has absolutely no business
mucking about with the clipboard when no command that should touch the
clipboard is invoked. This may be a bug that few people encounter, but
it's a potentially serious one for people who use the clipboard a lot.
(And it's one I've just opened a ticket on.)

--
Watts Martin <layotl@gmail.com>

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 16:01:13 -0400
From: Joshua Kehn <josh.kehn@gmail.com>
To: TextMate users <textmate@lists.macromates.com>
Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
       system-wide pasteboard
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I understand the problem, I'm saying I don't find copying already formatted text a priority.

The fact that it does muck with the clipboard would be an annoyance if you routinely tab through TextMate on your way to pasting RTF copy into another application.

Regards,

-Josh___________________________________________
Joshua Kehn | Josh.Kehn@gmail.com
http://joshuakehn.com

On Tuesday, April 26, 2011 at 3:58 PM, Watts Martin wrote:

> Joshua Kehn wrote:
> > Never really was one for copying rich text. Causes more hassles then
> > it's worth in my opinion.
>
> I'm not sure you're understanding the problem that Mel described.
>
> (1) Open a TextEdit document.
> (2) Add a few lines of text and then style some of them: make one
> italic, one bold, one a different font, one centered.
> (3) Copy these lines with Cmd-C or the edit menu.
> (4) Paste them onto the end of the document just to verify that you get
> back what you copied, with all the styles.
> (5) Switch to an open TextMate window. Don't do ANYTHING. Just switch to it.
> (6) Switch back to TextEdit and hit Cmd-V for paste again.
> (7) The pasted text will have lost all of its styling.
>
> Maybe you have a workflow in which you never, ever, ever copy styled
> text to the Clipboard and expect it to retain its styles. I don't
> usually work with styled text, either, but I can't guarantee I never
> will -- and Mel is absolutely right. TextMate has absolutely no business
> mucking about with the clipboard when no command that should touch the
> clipboard is invoked. This may be a bug that few people encounter, but
> it's a potentially serious one for people who use the clipboard a lot.
> (And it's one I've just opened a ticket on.)
>
> --
> Watts Martin <layotl@gmail.com>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 13:17:43 -0700
From: Mark Jackson <mrcodewizard@gmail.com>
To: TextMate users <textmate@lists.macromates.com>
Subject: [TxMt] Re: TM modifies/destroys the contents of the
       system-wide     pasteboard
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On Apr 26, 2011, at 12:58 PM, Watts Martin wrote:

> I'm not sure you're understanding the problem that Mel described

If that's true then you should direct your tirade at BIGHYPE for failing to provide basic info to explain/test the alleged bug. Even with your steps to replicate, which may not be what s/he/it did, it still may not be TM's fault.

I am tired of the people who automatically assume it's this or that program because of a thin thread of connection. Correlation is not causation. Then come on the list and start thumping their chest about the SERIOUS bug THEY found.

I am sure I am not the only one here who feels that some people, BIGHYPE *hint* and others, need to tone their attitude down. Being an ass, doesn't help anyone.

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