How did you convert it? Most likely the file was just still in MacRoman.

No i'm sure after having converted it to UTF-8 (using SubEthaEdit) it was really in utf-8 because after that TextEdit was able to open it...

You can btw convert it in the Save As… dialog of TextMate, and in Preferences -> Advanced you can set that UTF-8 should be used for existing files as well, meaning that whatever format it is loaded as, it will be saved as UTF-8.

i've changed the popup menu in the save as dialog, the item selected was "MacOS Roman", may be that was the prob.

i'm onlu using apple + s for saving then i didn't have seen this dialog one time )))

also i didn't notice what u mentionned above (should be used for existing files as well).

thanks for your reply ;-)

Yvon