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</head><body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">Well, in my (admittedly
limited) experience with Textmate 1, it seems textmate2 has fallen into
the trap of "Going back to the drawing board" in hopes of making it
better, but leaving most of the "boring" pieces behind. I know this
problem well, I've done it myself before and paid the price.<br>
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More than anything, I just want to know if TM1 is still "Viable"? Is
TextMate1 being actively updated and maintained? eg, if OSX 10.8.3
dropped tomorrow and broke something, would someone fix it or would that
be the "TM2 release date" ?<br>
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If TextMate2 is still in the distant future and there's lots of work to
be done, that's great. I just want to know that the $50 I drop on
TextMate won't be pointless if the TM2 I saw today becomes the standard
official release version tomorrow, and from what I see TM2 just isn't
suited to my workstyle. <br>
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 20,
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>You can make an argument
that the point of the filesystem is to organize files/projects and
that's how most editors work.<br><br>I've been a textmate user for a
long time and I've never used "projects", that's not to say that I think
it is an unused feature at all, or that some support for those features
shouldn't be brought back, but I don't see it as a major feature, and i
certainly don't see it as a huge disappointment.<br><br>Why not suggest
a few ideas for how to bring the feature back, or make it better
instead of threatening to switch to another editor.<br><br>An ongoing
post is already up here:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://wiki.macromates.com/Suggestions/ProjectManagementInTextMate2">http://wiki.macromates.com/Suggestions/ProjectManagementInTextMate2</a><br><br>I
don't think TM2 is a disappointment at all, and everyone has busted ass
working on it (at least since it went open source), so maybe keep the
negative to a minimal and try to be helpful rather than hurtful<br><br>-
Mom<br><br></div><div><!----><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>textmate
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 20,
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>If Chocolat ever gets the
"magic clean up indenting" command, it's going to be very hard to stick
with TextMate.<br><br>Walter<br><br></div><div><!----><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>textmate
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 20,
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>Agreed 100% - I keep going
back to TM1 because it just works for my workflow<br>- TM2 has been a
huge disappointment. I've also been playing with Sublime 2<br>and feel
it might have potential.<br><br>-- dv<br><br><br><br>--<br>View this
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 20,
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>Agreed, the lack of
Projects is my biggest disappointment with TM2.<br><br>Yes, yes, I have
seen all of the arguments on here about how 'real'<br>code is organized,
blah blah blah, and that's a beautiful glittery<br>unicorn dream, but
here's reality outside of hobbyists and startups:<br><br>Code
organization sucks.<br><br>I work in a small shop that is mired in
legacy code. Hell, it's what<br>we specialize in.<br><br>Our main tool
is in a single massive CVS directory of a few million<br>lines of code,
with 47 sub-directories that analyze and transform 37<br>programming
languages.<br><br>At any given time, I have a half dozen client projects
I'm working on.<br> Each one affects a small subset of the above code,
and has its own<br>hg-controlled client project space.<br><br>With TM1, I
had a *fantastic* workflow, that looked something like:<br><br>1) Make a
client project .tmproject<br>2) Open up the client project space<br>3)
As needed, and only as needed, open up the tool source for bug fixing<br>4)
Save client project<br><br>I could easily bounce between states of
projects, picking them up and<br>setting them aside, and each project
was focused on a particular task.<br> Hell, I got to the point I was
creating TM projects for especially<br>gnarly bugs, one per bugzilla
entry. *THAT* was a godsend.<br><br>Now? It's a ever-loving mess. I
have one file browser open to the<br>tool source, and spend way too much
damned time bouncing around in<br>there looking for things. Sure, I
can keep them open as tabs, but<br>that only works for a handful of
items. It doesn't scale. I have<br>another file browser open to the
client project, and I have to bounce<br>between the two constantly. I
can't plop .tm_properties files<br>willy-nilly through the system,
leaving droppings everywhere. But,<br>since I have to check out the
same code base multiple times for<br>various projects, I have to
replicate those damnedable properties<br>files everywhere locally, each
and every time, just to maintain some<br>consistency. It's an absolute
mess.<br><br>TM2's file browser approach may be cleaner for many people.
I get<br>that. I see the upsides of the approach, as a developer, and
as far<br>as seeing where it could go. Trust me, I *wish* I had the
ability to<br>wave a magic wand and make this system sanely organized.<br><br>It
isn't. It won't be. This is the reality in every dev shop I've<br>ever
been in, from 400k employees to 10 employees. This is the<br>reality
that I need TM2 to work well with, and it just plain doesn't.<br><br>TM1
was my secret weapon, as the lone Mac user in this place. TM2 is<br>a
massive, massive step backwards in this one respect, and it's enough<br>of
one alone that I am looking at alternatives, despite having crafted<br>a
series of bundles for our proprietary in-house language and build<br>environment.<br><br>Please,
for the love of god, point me to any approach that<br>approximates the
clean, simple, and straightforward organizational<br>tool that was
.tm_project files. Don't tell me the new way is better.<br> It's not,
in this environment. Don't tell me it has advantages. I<br>see them.<br><br>Tell
me how to replicate what was, in my opinion, possibly the best<br>practical
day to day feature of TM1. After reading this list daily<br>for
several years, I'm still not seeing that information coming down<br>the
pipe.<br></div><div><!----><br>_______________________________________________<br>textmate
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<font color="#9FA2A5"><span style="padding-left:6px">September 20,
2012 11:55 AM</span></font></div></div></div>
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__pbrmquotes="true" class="__pbConvBody"><div>So I'm a bit late to the
TextMate wonderfulness.. I've been using the<br>30-day trial version for
the last week, and got it pretty customized to<br>my liking. Project+,
MissingDrawer, SVNMate, bundles, a few custom<br>Templates for my C++
projects, etc. Loving it.<br><br>Today I went out and got the latest
TextMate2 compile from about 2 days<br>ago, I believe, and wow. That's a
huge step backward IMO. No<br>"Projects" that I can see, just look at a
Directory (which doesn't work<br>for me, my Directory Structure !=
Project structure). No support for<br>Templates either, it seems, which
I just recently figured out and<br>_really_ love (great to just pull in
a template of my base C++ class and<br>"fillin the blanks"). Plus lots
of things I customized don't see to be<br>there anymore, or are buried
in the new "tm_properties" file.<br><br>Basically, I'm trying to figure
out what to do next. I was getting<br>ready to buy TextMate1, but if
this is what TextMate2 is going to look<br>like maybe I should evaluate
some other tools. Is TM1 still "alive"? <br>Or are users urged to start
using TM2? Am I just really missing<br>something in TextMate2? I'm a
C/C++ developer that also uses Arduino,<br>CMake, Python, and other
stuff, so things like CTags, project-specific<br>environment variables,
and true "Projects" are important to me.<br><br></div></div>
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