<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; "><DIV>"Density" is a very nice generic description of the problem!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>By the way, in the following, I don't at all mean to be harsh! Instead, I'd like to figure out how "what's in there" can be made even more visible, available and understandable... to get even more converts. TextMate is a fabulous product and, rather then "upgrade" BBEdit, I recently purchased TextMate instead. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Critique...</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>The functionality and power of TextMate is unevenly distributed in its visual working space. (Even more difficult, much of it is, in fact, NOT visible at all.) </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="Apple-style-span">It is difficult to "discover" previously unknown functionality. It is also difficult to RE-discover ("remember") previously <I>discovered</I> functionality.</SPAN></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Furthermore, the way that "I" mentally "clump" functionality often is not the way it is clumped in TextMate. For example... I remember that I can do something. But is it a built-in feature, or in a macro, command or snippet? (Oh! I just noticed: apparently, the "gear" icon combines access to all three?) </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>What was it called? ? And, was it... THIS keyboard shortcut? YIKES! Hmm... well, that's actually sort of interesting. I wonder what I did?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>If it's a built-in feature, is it under the "Edit" menu, or perhaps the "Text" menu? If not found in the "Text" menu, maybe it's in the Automation > Replay Macro > Text menu. OR, Automation > Insert Snippet > Text. OR... Automation > Run Command > Text. Or maybe the "gear" menu. [Too bad my keyboard binding for that shortcut doesn't work!] Oops, well I guess (think) not. Hmm... maybe it's under the "Edit" menu? ;)</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>!!</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I have a horrible urge to shout for the inclusion of Toolbars (Multiple! and Fully Configurable! Of course.) And Floating Palettes. LOTS of floating palettes. All, also (of course) Fully Configurable. Lots of drag, drop, stretch and perforate. And a Unified Keyboard-Shorcut/Keybinding Editing & debugging Panel. Also... well, Fully Configurable.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>OK, my tone is somewhat flippant. But seriously, in TextMate there is "more than meets the eye." How do we bring that to the surface and make it more coherent and accessible? Without dynamiting the fish pond. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>By which I mean that implementing "A Palette for Every Function and a Function for Every Palette" (or something) will simply smother the existing interface. Bringing "everything to the surface" (that's the dynamite in the fishpond) is not a good solution.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Over-stuffed drop-down menus begat hierarchal menus. Overstuffed hierarchal menus begat "tear off" menus (palettes). Overstuffed palettes begat "tabbed" palettes. Then the tabbed palettes grew their OWN hierarchal ("flyout") menus and I'm afraid we've come full circle! I don't know where the heck "tool bars" and "gutter bars" got into the picture. :) Now we've got scrolling, collapsing sidebars (has anyone looked at Adobe Lightroom?) And don't forget "twirl-down" menus. Hierarchal, but instead of popping out, they reveal their contents (like the "reveal" triangle in the Mac Finder). I'm skeptical that ANY of this makes functionality any more accessible or discoverable than if it was simply dumped into a gigantic "bubble" that users could simply re-arrange to their own liking. Rather like a "desktop" in this case.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Hmm! Maybe we need a "Dashboard-like" feature!! Press a button and your editing interface switches to a completely customizable "TextMate Dashboard" interface. Users get to scatter WHATEVER they want anywhere on this alternative "desktop/control surface/utility panel/macro switchboard"... whatever you want to call it. Why should "Preferences" or the bundle editor be constrained a dialog box? Why not give it an entire new view into the application?</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Users can organize commands, macros, snippets ... WHATever, here in any way they like. All the (and any of the) CLUTTER would (here) be constrained to the TextMate "Dashboard," leaving the editing interface sleek and tidy! Oh! I'm liking this. Excuse me for a moment while I duck out and grab a patent or two.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>OK, I'm back. Maybe the TMDB ("TextMateDashBoard") has a terminal window sitting ready to type into. Maybe it also has that wished-for SFTP window. Maybe ... ?? Maybe there can be more than one TextMate "screen set," "virtual desktop" or "dashboard." ??</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>Well, I don't have a lot of answers to this problem right now [Oh, yes I do! Look at that "dashboard" idea! ;) ]. </DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>I want [some of] the benefits of toolbars and palettes, but not the added clutter of them. And since the user community currently has to rely pretty much on a single programmer in this, I would not want Allan spend most of his energy programming Palette Behavior. Ugh.</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>eo</DIV><DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Feb 8, 2006, at 6:21 AM, Ned Baldessin wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">I remember when getting started with TM, what strike me was that most of the functionality was buried into the Macros, Snippets and Commands menus. Those three menus seemed extremely dense, and the rest of the menus, and the app in general, seemed very "easy", or light. <BR><BR>Up to this day, I still haven't fully explored the potential of those menus, because I get the feeling that they change all the time.<BR><BR>Adding the "gear" pop up menu at the bottom of the window was great. Are there other ways to "de-densify" all that functionality, and "smooth en" the learning curve ? <BR><BR>…just thinking out loud.<BR><BR>Cheers.<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">2006/2/8, Nicholas Cole <<A href="mailto:nicholas.cole@gmail.com">nicholas.cole@gmail.com</A>>:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Dear List,<BR><BR>One of the most striking things to a new user is that the most<BR>important part of the UI for textmate is a button a that is at the<BR>_base_ of the window (v. unexpected) and that is the smallest part of <BR>the UI. I'm quite sure I would not have realised its significance had<BR>I not seen the Screencasts, and I know that people I've recently<BR>introduced to Textmate have had the same problem. Is there any way it<BR>could be made more obvious? <BR><BR>Best,<BR><BR>N.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BODY></HTML>