From david at loudthinking.com  Wed Oct  6 01:22:10 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:22:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate 1.0 is finally here! (one-time annoucement)
Message-ID: <252F2E72-1736-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

TextMate 1.0 is finally here!

We know that the wait has been excruciating and the longing unbearable, 
so we?re incredible proud and relieved to finally be able to say: It?s 
here!

   => http://macromates.com/release

It's okay to rush for the download now. You can come back to read the 
rest of this later...

TextMate was born out a personal frustration with the lack of a decent 
editor for code and markup on OS X. So TextMate is first and foremost a 
relief for that personal frustration. An editor that we could use to 
write C++, Ruby, PHP, HTML, CSS, JavaScript, and any other programming 
or presentation language.

But as all of you that signed up for this mailing list showed us, we 
were not alone with our frustrations. The anticipation for the release 
has really been overwhelming, so we're extremely happy to finally 
deliver.

That said, this is a 1.0 release. There will be rough spots, there most 
certainly will be bugs that our extensive testing hasn't found yet, and 
there will be features missing that you'd wish were there. Hopefully, 
though, what is there will be promising enough that you'll feel 
comfortable jumping on board from the start.

So instead of raving endlessly about what is there (go to the site for 
that), we're going to tell you what it still lacks:

* Good defaults for more languages (1.1)
   Currently, only real love has been given to Obj-/C/C++,
   Ruby, HTML, and CSS. Hopefully, you guys will help us
   bring the same level of support to other languages.

* Editing over Secure FTP (1.1)
   Work on files residing on another machine using Secure FTP.

* Integrate with CVS/Subversion (1.2)
   Check-in, check-out, check-in, check-out. Why don't we sing
   that song from within the editor?

As you can see, we're planning to address those points in near-future 
point releases that will be free upgrades to all who register version 
1.0 of TextMate.

We respect your right to try before you buy, so for 30 days you can 
enjoy a completely unrestricted version of TextMate -- without forced 
delays at start up or anything like that.

What we would appreciate, though, is that you register TextMate as soon 
as you decide it's something for you. We're currently building TextMate 
on a 733mhz G4. It takes 45 minutes for a complete build. It's very 
painful and has been slowing down development considerably. The first 
registrations will go towards getting a dual G5 -- so we can deliver 
TextMate 1.1 even faster!


Sincerely yours,
Allan Odgaard & David Heinemeier Hansson


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct  6 08:15:23 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 22:15:23 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] inserting snippets
Message-ID: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

Hi TexMaters!

Forgive the rudimentary nature of the question...

Wondering how snippets work. For example, the "a href tag" snippet 
which inserts "<a href="$1">$2</a>" has a trigger of "ahref"

But when I type "ahref" in an html document it does not seems to 
trigger the snippet? What am I missing?

  -t



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct  6 08:19:37 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:19:37 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] inserting snippets
In-Reply-To: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <76B1CFD7-1770-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

Type ahref then [tab] to trigger the snippet.

Justin


On 06/10/2004, at 6:15 PM, timothy martens wrote:

> Hi TexMaters!
>
> Forgive the rudimentary nature of the question...
>
> Wondering how snippets work. For example, the "a href tag" snippet 
> which inserts "<a href="$1">$2</a>" has a trigger of "ahref"
>
> But when I type "ahref" in an html document it does not seems to 
> trigger the snippet? What am I missing?
>
>  -t
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From jperkins at sneer.org  Wed Oct  6 08:21:17 2004
From: jperkins at sneer.org (Jason N Perkins)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 03:21:17 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] inserting snippets
In-Reply-To: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B245BA9A-1770-11D9-9E1C-000D932DF2B4@sneer.org>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:15 AM, timothy martens wrote:

> Hi TexMaters!
>
> Forgive the rudimentary nature of the question...
>
> Wondering how snippets work. For example, the "a href tag" snippet 
> which inserts "<a href="$1">$2</a>" has a trigger of "ahref"
>
> But when I type "ahref" in an html document it does not seems to 
> trigger the snippet? What am I missing?
>

follow the ahref with a tab.


--
Jason N Perkins



From jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi  Wed Oct  6 08:20:32 2004
From: jarkko.m.laine at tut.fi (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:20:32 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] inserting snippets
In-Reply-To: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <96FC200A-1770-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@tut.fi>

On 6.10.2004, at 11:15, timothy martens wrote:
>
> But when I type "ahref" in an html document it does not seems to 
> trigger the snippet? What am I missing?

Press tab after typing ahref.

//jarkko

--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net
http://divingfinn.blogspot.com



From johans at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 08:59:51 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:59:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Your syntax definitions?
Message-ID: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

So, have anyone started to make some custom syntax definitions for the
various laguages out there? Lets share!
I wish I could say "I'll start" but I've just started on one so I'm
still wrapping my head around it. It still baffles me why colours
arent global (like, often i want the same color for strings regardless
of laguages for instance)

(apologies if this has been bought up already, I'm the list newbie)

Cheers,
johan

-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From robbevan at xpt.com  Wed Oct  6 09:04:26 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.com (Rob Bevan)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:04:26 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Your syntax definitions?
In-Reply-To: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>

I'm working on ActionScript, should have it done soon. I've already 
done a 'Test Movie' command.

Now if only we could get TextMate not to display the binary .fla file 
as text...

On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> So, have anyone started to make some custom syntax definitions for the
> various laguages out there? Lets share!
> I wish I could say "I'll start" but I've just started on one so I'm
> still wrapping my head around it. It still baffles me why colours
> arent global (like, often i want the same color for strings regardless
> of laguages for instance)
>
> (apologies if this has been bought up already, I'm the list newbie)
>
> Cheers,
> johan
>
> -- 
> Johan S?rensen
> Professional Futurist
> www.johansorensen.com
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct  6 09:06:06 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Tue, 5 Oct 2004 23:06:06 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] inserting snippets
In-Reply-To: <76B1CFD7-1770-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <DF11CAD0-176F-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<76B1CFD7-1770-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <F4C43E8E-1776-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

Thanks Justin, Jason, and Jarkko.


On Oct 5, 2004, at 10:19 PM, Justin French wrote:

> Type ahref then [tab] to trigger the snippet.
>
> Justin
>
>
> On 06/10/2004, at 6:15 PM, timothy martens wrote:
>
>> Hi TexMaters!
>>
>> Forgive the rudimentary nature of the question...
>>
>> Wondering how snippets work. For example, the "a href tag" snippet 
>> which inserts "<a href="$1">$2</a>" has a trigger of "ahref"
>>
>> But when I type "ahref" in an html document it does not seems to 
>> trigger the snippet? What am I missing?
>>
>>  -t
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From allan at ghostgum.com  Wed Oct  6 10:39:23 2004
From: allan at ghostgum.com (allan at ghostgum.com)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:39:23 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Congratulations
Message-ID: <FCF58651-1783-11D9-A66B-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>

Well done guys. I came, I saw, I bought.

TextMate has delivered most of what was promised by the hype that 
preceded the long-anticipated launch. I now look forward to its ongoing 
development.

First impressions have been very impressive.

Allan



From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 10:46:59 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 05:46:59 -0500
Subject: Congrats and text modes (was Re: [TextMate] Congratulations)
In-Reply-To: <FCF58651-1783-11D9-A66B-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>
References: <FCF58651-1783-11D9-A66B-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>
Message-ID: <0C965358-1785-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 6, 2004, at 5:39 AM, allan at ghostgum.com wrote:

> Well done guys. I came, I saw, I bought.

I'm on the verge of buying.  I'm a java developer and I'm in my editor 
(Emacs on OS X, currently) most of the day.  Making the jump will be a 
huge deal for me...

> First impressions have been very impressive.

Ditto.  As stated by the primary developers already, however, the 
language support is a little thin, at the moment.  I'll probably take a 
whack at Java, Java Properties, and XML syntaxes today (in order of 
easiness...).  Has anyone started work on this already?

Is there a command in TM to reload a bundle?  Relaunching TM everytime 
I tweak a regexp could be a little painful.

Does (or will) TM support smart tabs, backspace, and braces a la Emacs? 
  That, quite frankly, will be a deal-breaker for me, if it doesn't.  I 
live and die by those mode customizations...

I'm really excited by what I'm seeing here!

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From damelon at textdrive.com  Wed Oct  6 11:03:57 2004
From: damelon at textdrive.com (Damelon Kimbrough)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:03:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] I have no idea
Message-ID: <6B473C58-1787-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>

Well, maybe I do. Just experimenting with TM and dropping files on an 
open window to see how it handles things. Everything pretty much 
everything opened as I expected until I dropped one file and got:

setting up accounts.rtfd/
	1__#$!@%!#__smile.tiff
	1__#$!@%!#__smile.tiff.tiff
	smile.tiff
	smile.tiff.tiff
	TXT.rtf
	wink.tiff
	wink.tiff.tiff

Haha. The file in question was a cut and paste from a conversation that 
Dean and I had via iChat. Crazy stuff.

So I'm not sharing silliness for no gain, what exactly am I seeing 
here? Why is TM only registering the embedded smiley graphics and not 
the text itself?

? Damelon


From damelon at textdrive.com  Wed Oct  6 11:29:09 2004
From: damelon at textdrive.com (Damelon Kimbrough)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:29:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Versiontracker?
Message-ID: <F0839582-178A-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>

Are there plans to list TM at http://versiontracker.com/macosx/ ?



From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct  6 11:33:36 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:33:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] I have no idea
In-Reply-To: <6B473C58-1787-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>
References: <6B473C58-1787-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <90041EE4-178B-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 6. Oct 2004, at 13:03, Damelon Kimbrough wrote:

> So I'm not sharing silliness for no gain, what exactly am I seeing 
> here? Why is TM only registering the embedded smiley graphics and not 
> the text itself?

An .rtfd file is actually a directory.

When you drag a directory to an open TextMate window (in the text area) 
it will show the directory structure, instead of the actual contents of 
each file.

I think you can right click the .rtfd file in Finder and select Show 
Package Contents, and you'll see files similar to what was inserted in 
TextMate.

Kind regards Allan



From johans at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 11:38:19 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:38:19 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Your syntax definitions?
In-Reply-To: <B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
	<B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
Message-ID: <689059740410060438120ea4e7@mail.gmail.com>

cool.

if you don't want to display the .fla file at all you could add it to
the exclude regex in the info panel for the folder/project...

Allan, do you have any bundles for cocoa/objective-c apart from the
ones  that ship with TM? or are those the ones you're using (unless of
course you develop TM in xcode ;) )?


On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:04:26 +0100, Rob Bevan <robbevan at xpt.com> wrote:
> I'm working on ActionScript, should have it done soon. I've already
> done a 'Test Movie' command.
> 
> Now if only we could get TextMate not to display the binary .fla file
> as text...
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Johan S?rensen wrote:
> 
> > Greetings!
> >
> > So, have anyone started to make some custom syntax definitions for the
> > various laguages out there? Lets share!
> > I wish I could say "I'll start" but I've just started on one so I'm
> > still wrapping my head around it. It still baffles me why colours
> > arent global (like, often i want the same color for strings regardless
> > of laguages for instance)
> >
> > (apologies if this has been bought up already, I'm the list newbie)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > johan
> >
> > --
> > Johan S?rensen
> > Professional Futurist
> > www.johansorensen.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > textmate mailing list
> > textmate at lists.macromates.com
> > http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct  6 11:40:54 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:40:54 +0200
Subject: Congrats and text modes (was Re: [TextMate] Congratulations)
In-Reply-To: <0C965358-1785-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <FCF58651-1783-11D9-A66B-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>
	<0C965358-1785-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <95116758-178C-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 6. Oct 2004, at 12:46, Brian Lalor wrote:

> Is there a command in TM to reload a bundle?  Relaunching TM everytime 
> I tweak a regexp could be a little painful.

Highly requested, but unfortunately not yet :\

However, when you test regexps, use the regex find from within TextMate 
to validate that the patterns match correctly. This should make it much 
easier.

Just remember to double escape all escapes before placing them in the 
property list.

> Does (or will) TM support smart tabs, backspace, and braces a la Emacs?

TextMate supports normal auto-indent, and you can have the indent 
increased by specifying a regular expression in the language syntax 
file which should match all lines that cause an extra indent for the 
next line.

But currently it's probably not as clever about indentation as emacs.


Kind regards Allan



From damelon at textdrive.com  Wed Oct  6 11:41:50 2004
From: damelon at textdrive.com (Damelon Kimbrough)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:41:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] I have no idea
In-Reply-To: <90041EE4-178B-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <6B473C58-1787-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>
	<90041EE4-178B-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <B68C3E0C-178C-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>

Le 6 oct. 04, ? 13:33, Allan Odgaard a ?crit :

> An .rtfd file is actually a directory.

Yeah, well if that doesn't fall the realm of duh! Jeez, a cup of coffee 
is not lasting me as long as it once did. :)

? Damelon


From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Wed Oct  6 11:46:16 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 06:46:16 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Folding Triangle Icon Suggestion
Message-ID: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

Hello,
I'm just trying out TextMate and I very much like the feature for collapsing
brackets.  (I remember seeing a post on some mac blog about using
OmniOutliner to write code just so a similar feature could be achieved.
Anyway...)

However, I have a suggestion.  I have trouble distinguishing between the
little triangle icons used on the left side.  I was thinking adding color to
them would make it much easier to see which is the top and bottom and which
is collapsed. So I looked in the resources of the app and found the graphics
files and tried changing them.  The colors I chose are perhaps a bit much,
but perhaps this post will inspire someone else (or the developers) to come
up with a better color scheme.

I went with a red-yellow-green stop-light color metaphor.  Green is the top
of an open triangle.  Red is the bottom of an open triangle.  And Yellow is
a collapsed triangle.  If that makes any sense...

Basically, I changed these files:
Folding Bottom Cap.png  -> tint Red
Folding Collapsed.png  -> tint Yellow
Folding Ellipsis.png  -> tint Yellow
Folding Top Cap.png  -> tint Green

I've attached a zip containing my newly tinted PNGs.  I'm not sure if this
mailing list will let attachments go through, but if it does, enjoy.
Otherwise, I guess you'll have to tint 'em yourself.


Simon in New Orleans

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From tomasj at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 11:55:58 2004
From: tomasj at gmail.com (Tomas Jogin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:55:58 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ftp-support
Message-ID: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

First of all, TextMate is great work. I only had to try it out for a
few seconds and it was instantly obvious to me that TextMate just
_feels_ great to use. It's powerful yet doesn't feel clunky or
bloated, unlike some other editors which shall not be named.

The only thing missing for me to be able to use it in my day-to-day
work is the possibility to have projects synchronize with an
ftp-server. I'm a web developer, and most of the time I work against a
remote ftp-server (not always, but quite often).

The only editor I've found that does this in a simple fashion is
Dreamweaver MX, which, while not terrible as a code editor, it isn't
exactly optimal either.

I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a remote
file, but actually being able to associate a project with an ftp
account. Because, then I'd have no reason to use Dreamweaver MX again,
instead of using it all the damn time.

Best regards,
Tomas Jogin, Sweden
http://jogin.com/weblog/


From david at loudthinking.com  Wed Oct  6 12:02:05 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:02:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> The only thing missing for me to be able to use it in my day-to-day
> work is the possibility to have projects synchronize with an
> ftp-server. I'm a web developer, and most of the time I work against a
> remote ftp-server (not always, but quite often).

SFTP support is planned for version 1.1. And unlike most editors that 
merely integrate with Transmit or other existing programs, the plan is 
to have support from within TextMate.

There's no immediate plans to support the regular, unsecure version of 
FTP. But it all depends on what the community around TextMate is most 
interested in.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From david at loudthinking.com  Wed Oct  6 12:06:17 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:06:17 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Versiontracker?
In-Reply-To: <F0839582-178A-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>
References: <F0839582-178A-11D9-B502-000D93C5ECC2@textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <20AF2C88-1790-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> Are there plans to list TM at http://versiontracker.com/macosx/ ?

Most certainly. Our signup is pending.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 12:09:23 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 14:09:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
References: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
Message-ID: <4163E073.1050406@greenskin.net>

David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

> There's no immediate plans to support the regular, unsecure version of 
> FTP. But it all depends on what the community around TextMate is most 
> interested in.

I would like regular FTP support.

Oh, and Java syntax highlighting :)

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct  6 12:14:52 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 02:14:52 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] (no subject)
Message-ID: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?

And what about browser previews other than the built in safari 
rendering?

Also, can we just have the project drawer show up by default. There's 
hardly ever an instance where I wouldn't need/want it in view.

  -t



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct  6 12:16:52 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 02:16:52 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <4163E073.1050406@greenskin.net>
References: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<4163E073.1050406@greenskin.net>
Message-ID: <9B220E30-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

Me too. Some of my web hosts don't support SFTP -- but I also don't 
mind using Transmit either.


On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:09 AM, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:

> David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:
>
>> There's no immediate plans to support the regular, unsecure version 
>> of FTP. But it all depends on what the community around TextMate is 
>> most interested in.
>
> I would like regular FTP support.
>
> Oh, and Java syntax highlighting :)
>
> -- 
>
> Joost Schuttelaar
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From andrew at article7.co.uk  Wed Oct  6 13:13:30 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:13:30 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Comparison with SubEthaEdit
Message-ID: <20041006141330894115.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

Hi,

Many congratulations on the release.  TextMate is truly impressive 
stuff.

I certainly wouldn't want to start any holy wars already, but I've 
written a small comparison of TextMate and my current daily editor, 
SubEthaEdit, that might be of passing interest.

	
<URL:http://www.lowerelement.com/Geekery/Mac_OS_X/TextMate_vs_SubEthaEdit.html>

As others have already observed, for programmers, an editor is the one 
piece of software in near-constant use, and deciding to switch to a new 
editor is a big, very personal, deal.  I never could appreciate BBEdit 
in the way that many others do -- for me, TextMate is already streets 
ahead of BBEdit in terms of comfort.  There are things about 
SubEthaEdit I'd sincerely miss, however, despite the excellent 
additional features offered by TextMate.  The 30-day trial (and what I 
suspect will be a fairly aggressive release schedule of improvements) 
are very welcome in making that decision.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 13:25:41 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 15:25:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <20041006120004.C903D11B3@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-3895730A179B11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Tomas Jogin saying:
>I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a
>remote file, but actually being able to associate a project with an
>ftp account.

Is there any reason why you don't use an actual FTP application for
this? Interarchy has some awesome features for this kind of work. What I
do right now is this: For each Project in TextMate, I have an FTP Disk
in Interarchy. When I open a Project, I mount the FTP Disk. Whenever I
change something in TextMate, it's being uploaded automatically to the
FTP server.

I'm not sure what exactly the plan is as far as TextMate's FTP support
is concerned, but if you need this right now, Interarchy can provide it.

lucas

- -- 
"I know why the caged bird sings."
  -- Maya Angelou

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From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 13:42:12 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 08:42:12 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] defining syntaxes
Message-ID: <86EB58C9-179D-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

Couple of questions regarding syntaxes:

I'm working on modifying the HTML syntax to support JSP.  I've created 
the following definition for comments; JSP and HTML comments are 
similar.  JSP comments look like <%-- comment --%>.  I can use a simple 
regexp to search for <!-- or <%--, but is there a way to be smarter 
about how the comment ends?  I'd like to make sure an illegal JSP 
comment gets highlighted as such:

	WRONG:
	<%-- -->

... or maybe ...
	<%-- --> --%>

I've currently got the (not quite smart enough) pattern:
		{
			name = "Comments";
			begin = "<[%!]--";
			end = "--%?>";
			foregroundColor = "red";
		},

How is the "include" keyword supposed to work in a pattern?  I've tried 
this:
			name = "Embedded Java";
			backgroundColor = "#E5E5E5";
			begin = "<%";
			include = "Java";
			end = "%>";

... but that only highlights the background of the excursion, not the 
text within.  I've created a Java bundle with "Java" defined in 
Syntaxes/Java.plist.

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct  6 13:59:12 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:59:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] defining syntaxes
In-Reply-To: <86EB58C9-179D-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <86EB58C9-179D-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <E6EA13B2-179F-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 6. Oct 2004, at 15:42, Brian Lalor wrote:

> Couple of questions regarding syntaxes:

Great! :)

> I can use a simple regexp to search for <!-- or <%--, but is there a 
> way to be smarter about how the comment ends?  I'd like to make sure 
> an illegal JSP comment gets highlighted as such:

I would do two different rules. One for each type.

> How is the "include" keyword supposed to work in a pattern?  I've 
> tried this:
> 			name = "Embedded Java";
> 			backgroundColor = "#E5E5E5";
> 			begin = "<%";
> 			include = "Java";
> 			end = "%>";

"include" can only be used within "patterns". So you'd do:

			name = "Embedded Java";
			backgroundColor = "#E5E5E5";
			begin = "<%";
			patterns = ( include = "Java"; );
			end = "%>";


Kind regards Allan



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 14:01:54 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (mnothrop)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:01:54 +1100
Subject: HTML, auto-complete and snippets (was Re: [TextMate] (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <47652E30-17A0-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

On 06/10/2004, at 11:14 PM, timothy martens wrote:

> Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?

Tim,

I was just about to ask the same question... : )

Please don't take the following as carping complaints(!), just my 
initial (self-important) impressions! ; )

I was initially very enthusiastic about TM's potential *for my use* 
(i.e. not it's general potential), but I'm not so sure right now...

I see the underlying power of the text engine, and the macro/script 
execution, and RegEx/patterns,  but it may need a few corners smoothed, 
for me to feel at home!  : )   If I were a big user of Reg Ex, I'd 
probably feel differently.

TM feels decidedly techie to me; and IMHO will require a more 'complex' 
interface over time, to become my editor of choice, and to conversely, 
be easier to use... but it will probably be perfect for the more hard 
core coders, all those vi and emacs lovers!  ; )

I'm afraid I find the auto-complete somewhat underwhelming; it seems 
pretty basic, and (I think) belies it's simple pattern-matching basis 
-- it doesn't display any knowledge of syntax (e.g. will suggest 'body' 
in the context of a div tag, instead of 'border'), and is strict in 
it's matching (will match 'cellS...' for cellSpacing, but not 
'cells...' -- oh, and hitting Escape each time isn't the most ergonomic 
aspect of editing.

One area that really shines are the snippets. I've been playing with 
snippets, and obviously see the power in the trigger mechanism above 
the key commands that other editors use; it gives a pretty good 
semblance of an auto-complete feature with code hinting. The keyboard 
trigger is the key feature, as opposed to mentally mapping a keyboard 
command to a snippet (of which there is also a smaller pool of 
options.)

In particular the tab stops are one of the killer features I've been 
seeking in a 'syntax editor' for a long time; I would like this concept 
spread to the syntax (with my emphasise on X/HTML, CSS etc.), so that 
perhaps with a modifier, so as not to over-ride entering tabs, you are 
able to tab between editing points according to the syntax, i.e. tab 
from outside a tag, successively into the tag's attributes, into the 
'label section' of appropriate tags (e.g. hrefs) and to outside the end 
angle to enter a new tag, or tab through subsequent tags.

This is how predefined snippets operate, and it's great. Consider 
typing html, to get:

<html>
	<head>
		<title>*TAB1*</title>
	</head>
	<body>
		*TAB2*
	</body>
</html>

...but of course, at the moment, you've got to do the heavy lifting! It 
would take some time to enter a useful set of snippets, but I've 
started... If anyone else has, we must share!

Folding is nicely done, though it might be good to have some more 
obvious folding controls; while the 'Toggle Foldings at Level x' 
function is useful, some more basic Un/Fold All would be good, to also 
reset folds. (BTW might that command be better phrased 'Toggle Folds at 
Level x'?

I own skEdit, and really like it's auto-complete feature, which you 
might consider more traditional, in that it's implemented similarly to 
other apps (e.g. Dreamweaver, HomeSite); it suggests the likely tag 
*as* you type, with a drop down menu that is likewise filtered in 
real-time.

In comparing the features you quickly see that skEdit's approach 
augment's the user's knowledge and memory of syntax (either 
reminding/reinforcing, or teaching), whereas TM requires a mental 
mapping of not only specifics of syntax, but an additional aspect, in 
the triggers. It may just be my perspective on this feature (i.e. 
largely reliably, and strict syntax of HTML, vs. highly variable, 
creative arrangements of syntax in programming languages,) but I don't 
find this approach as convenient for X/HTML editing.

Having said that, once I had a full compliment of HTML snippets, 
defining my coding standards (e.g. always include certain attributes, 
like class, id etc.), I could see it feeling more efficient... I guess 
the problem becomes finding the balances between these two different 
approaches, but the way I envisage it, my snippent menu will go on for 
ever!

Snippets obviously come into their own when completing large blocks of 
code, such as an HTML document skeleton, and tables, I'm not sure that 
there are a reliable enough set of 'primitives' that I can use to make 
this more productive that syntax-specific hinting supported by snippets 
-- it all depends on the granularity of the snippets.

skEdit also offers rudimentary syntax awareness, in that once you've 
typed a tag, it will suggest (mostly) valid attributes for that 
element. This is an invaluable feature, and can assist in producing 
valid markup (similar in theory to entry control in database 
applications.) Ideally this would go further and strictly conform to 
the syntax (e.g. only allow a single class attribute per tag, etc.)

Anyway, it's has gone long enough -- I'll be interested to see how TM 
develops.


marc


On 06/10/2004, at 11:14 PM, timothy martens wrote:

> Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?
>
> And what about browser previews other than the built in safari 
> rendering?
>
> Also, can we just have the project drawer show up by default. There's 
> hardly ever an instance where I wouldn't need/want it in view.
>
>  -t
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 14:03:06 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:03:06 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] "revert to saved" command?
Message-ID: <726B999A-17A0-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

Is there a command to revert a file to it's saved state?  It'd be 
easier than closing the file (declining to save my changes) and then 
re-opening it.
-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From tomasj at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 14:03:51 2004
From: tomasj at gmail.com (Tomas Jogin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:03:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-3895730A179B11D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
References: <20041006120004.C903D11B3@one.textdrive.com>
	<r02010400-1035-3895730A179B11D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
Message-ID: <8c05e65704100607036061a0ca@mail.gmail.com>

> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Tomas Jogin saying:
> >I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a
> >remote file, but actually being able to associate a project with an
> >ftp account.
> 
> Is there any reason why you don't use an actual FTP application for
> this? Interarchy has some awesome features for this kind of work. What I
> do right now is this: For each Project in TextMate, I have an FTP Disk
> in Interarchy. When I open a Project, I mount the FTP Disk. Whenever I
> change something in TextMate, it's being uploaded automatically to the
> FTP server.

The reason I don't want to use an actual FTP application is that I
don't want to incessantly switch between the editor and the
ftp-application. I just want to hit a shortcut key to upload the
document I'm currently editing and that's it. Often times, I have many
documents open at once, which reside in different directories. If I
used a separate FTP-application, not only would I have to switch to
it, but I'd also have to traverse to the right directory, on both the
server and the client, and then upload the file in question -- instead
of just hitting a keyboard shortcut in the editor and that's it.

The interarchy feature you mention sounds pretty nice, and in fact
I'll download Interarchy right now, because it does sound sweet, but
having it integrated with the editor would be even better. By the way,
something like that isn't possible with Transmit (which I currently
use), right?

Thanks for the tip on Interarchy, but the feature request still stands.  ;-)

Best regards,
Tomas Jogin


From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 14:13:05 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 16:13:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <20041006140316.F369611E2@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-DAE8547B17A111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed timothy martens saying:
>Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?

The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can
easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is.
Having something similar in TextMate would be great.

lucas

- --
"Wine makes a man more pleased with himself; I do not say that it makes him more pleasing to others."
  -- Samuel Johnson

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From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 14:13:21 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:13:21 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] defining syntaxes
In-Reply-To: <E6EA13B2-179F-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <86EB58C9-179D-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
	<E6EA13B2-179F-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <E0DF2B71-17A1-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:59 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> 			patterns = ( include = "Java"; );

Actually, I think you meant
	patterns = ( { include = "Java"; } );

:-)

I'm still not getting the foreground coloring like I expected.  Just my 
plain old java mode has some keyword highlighting, but not when 
embedded in HTML.

-- 
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/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 14:13:30 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 16:13:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <20041006140316.F369611E2@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-E6C84B7C17A111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed David Heinemeier Hansson saying:
>SFTP support is planned for version 1.1. And unlike most editors that
>merely integrate with Transmit or other existing programs, the plan
>is to have support from within TextMate.

In addition to that, I would love to be able to use TextMate as an
external editor for other FTP applications like Interarchy.

lucas

- -- 
"It's that dude! The Grim Rapper!"
  -- Beavis & Butthead

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From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 14:41:59 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:41:59 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-E6C84B7C17A111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-E6C84B7C17A111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <E0CE6974-17A5-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

I'd second the request for external editor status -- while integrated 
SFTP is good, so is choice, there are some good clients (FTP, WebDav 
etc.), and other reasons to not *only* offer integrated SFTP.

: )


On 07/10/2004, at 1:13 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

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> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed David Heinemeier Hansson saying:
>> SFTP support is planned for version 1.1. And unlike most editors that
>> merely integrate with Transmit or other existing programs, the plan
>> is to have support from within TextMate.
>
> In addition to that, I would love to be able to use TextMate as an
> external editor for other FTP applications like Interarchy.
>
> lucas
>
> - --
> "It's that dude! The Grim Rapper!"
>   -- Beavis & Butthead
>
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From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct  6 14:45:21 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:45:21 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Your syntax definitions?
In-Reply-To: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5911D18C-17A6-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 06/10/2004, at 6:59 PM, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> Greetings!
>
> So, have anyone started to make some custom syntax definitions for the
> various laguages out there? Lets share!
>
> I wish I could say "I'll start" but I've just started on one so I'm
> still wrapping my head around it. It still baffles me why colours
> arent global (like, often i want the same color for strings regardless
> of laguages for instance)

If you're inspired, TM needs JavaScript, Perl, and Python as a starting 
point... I'd recommend copying one of the existing bundles to your 
~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/Bundles/, renaming it, and 
"having a go"... Allan and Sune were extremely helpful in helping me 
get the first drafts of the PHP, HTML, HTML-PHP & CSS language 
definitions ready, and I'll try to help you where ever I can too.

Every language is so different, so rather than TM imposing limitations, 
it welcomes it all with open arms.  Really, you have the power to make 
a definition for almost anything.  I suggested to Allan that the basic 
default style sheets of PHP/HTML/CSS use a shared colour pallet, but 
the languages are so different that the rules had to stop there.  
Quoted strings are red in HTML, CSS and PHP.  Variables in PHP and 
Selectors in CSS are both green, etc etc.

Basically, I had a few days to throw together 4 language definitions, 
so I "had a go".  I'd love suggestions on what I can change in those 4 
or so language definitions, and of course you have the power to change 
these to suit your own needs (as I will to suit my needs).

However, when it came to David's Ruby definitions, we decided to leave 
the Black/Grey versions as is... for starters, it was used in a lot of 
the marketing and David's Rails videos, and it looks really cool.

It's also worth pointing out that a lot more features are planned for 
the next generation of language defs, so it's quite possible a lot of 
what you want will come through these upgrades anyway.

Justin "I love TextMate" French
---
http://indent.com.au
http://justinfrench.com




From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct  6 14:54:40 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:54:40 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 06/10/2004, at 10:14 PM, timothy martens wrote:

> Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?
>
> And what about browser previews other than the built in safari 
> rendering?

The thing is, TM is not just about HTML... a lot of people will never 
use it for web design.  TM tries to put you in control, and bend the 
editors features into something that works for you.  The Safari idea 
was something I proposed to Allan, and it's just a command bundled with 
TM... in theory, any browser that supported Apple Script could use a 
similar command.

In short, write your own, and ask for help if you need it :)

> Also, can we just have the project drawer show up by default. There's 
> hardly ever an instance where I wouldn't need/want it in view.

It's coming in a future version, AFAIK...

Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct  6 15:09:31 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:09:31 +1000
Subject: HTML, auto-complete and snippets (was Re: [TextMate] (no subject))
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On 07/10/2004, at 12:01 AM, mnothrop wrote:

> I'm afraid I find the auto-complete somewhat underwhelming; it seems 
> pretty basic, and (I think) belies it's simple pattern-matching basis 
> -- it doesn't display any knowledge of syntax (e.g. will suggest 
> 'body' in the context of a div tag, instead of 'border'), and is 
> strict in it's matching (will match 'cellS...' for cellSpacing, but 
> not 'cells...' -- oh, and hitting Escape each time isn't the most 
> ergonomic aspect of editing.

It's actually not auto-complete in the sense that it's not trying to 
guess what you want based on context (yet)... it's simply guessing what 
you want to type based on what you've already typed elsewhere in the 
document.  It suggested "body" because it appeared further up the page. 
  It possibly would have suggested border as a second option if you'd 
typed border elsewhere.

Personally, I don't mind hitting escape a few times to find what I want.

Instead of auto-complete, I've become fond of the "Make HTML Tag 2" 
Macro, which takes the current word (eg div) and makes it into a tag.

> ...but of course, at the moment, you've got to do the heavy lifting! 
> It would take some time to enter a useful set of snippets, but I've 
> started... If anyone else has, we must share!

I shared everything I could come up in the few hours left before 1.0 
was released (most of the snippet menu)... I expect that most people 
will delete my defaults and start creating their own, which work the 
way they want to work... after all, that's what TM does :)

> I own skEdit, and really like it's auto-complete feature, which you 
> might consider more traditional, in that it's implemented similarly to 
> other apps (e.g. Dreamweaver, HomeSite); it suggests the likely tag 
> *as* you type, with a drop down menu that is likewise filtered in 
> real-time.

I hate those things, but I think something like this is planned for 
later on.

> In comparing the features you quickly see that skEdit's approach 
> augment's the user's knowledge and memory of syntax (either 
> reminding/reinforcing, or teaching), whereas TM requires a mental 
> mapping of not only specifics of syntax, but an additional aspect, in 
> the triggers. It may just be my perspective on this feature (i.e. 
> largely reliably, and strict syntax of HTML, vs. highly variable, 
> creative arrangements of syntax in programming languages,) but I don't 
> find this approach as convenient for X/HTML editing.

I think the point is that you re-shape TM to suit what you want... it's 
the perfect (and better) mental model to "become one" with your editor. 
  Write a snippet you need, attach it to a trigger that seems natural to 
YOU, and smile :)

> Having said that, once I had a full compliment of HTML snippets, 
> defining my coding standards (e.g. always include certain attributes, 
> like class, id etc.), I could see it feeling more efficient... I guess 
> the problem becomes finding the balances between these two different 
> approaches, but the way I envisage it, my snippent menu will go on for 
> ever!

Exactly -- and it will be YOURS, to suit the way YOU work :)

Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct  6 15:14:58 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:14:58 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
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On 07/10/2004, at 12:13 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

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> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed timothy martens saying:
>> Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?
>
> The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can
> easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is.
> Having something similar in TextMate would be great.

All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in there 
as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc).  Agreed, most of the 
values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM has no 
idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think BBEdit 
knows this either...

Since I worked on the CSS definition quite a lot so far, I'd love to 
know more about what you're looking for....

Justin



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 15:29:57 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:29:57 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] add these to feature requests
Message-ID: <9482F1B0-17AC-11D9-A4ED-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

Gread job so far, macromates!

Here is stuff to think about:

- AppleScriptability (pardon my ignorance, is it scriptable)?
- Gutter: use color lines as clues for start and end of code blocks 
(steal that idea from jEdit :)
- Preferences? Editting bundles is an unpleasant hybrid between mac and 
unix. (btw., in the short term you can create a "themes" part on your 
website and place collections of bundles there ... 
http://theexciter.com/ has a few already).

Did I say you have done great job? Hope you bury bbsoftware :)

Nick



From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 15:55:35 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:55:35 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] XML and Java syntaxes
Message-ID: <29211192-17B0-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

I've got a rough cut at XML and Java syntaxes done.  They're available 
in my Subversion repository[1].

[1] http://telly.bravo5.org/svn/repos/TextMate/

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From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 15:59:02 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:59:02 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Your syntax definitions?
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Justin French wrote:

> Every language is so different, so rather than TM imposing 
> limitations, it welcomes it all with open arms.

Pardon me whilst I brainstorm.  What if I could feed TM a grammar (say, 
in BNF) for a language?  Then TM could figure out syntax highlighting 
from that based on hints, such as "string literal", "variable", "loop 
construct", etc?

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From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 16:05:20 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:05:20 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] XML and Java syntaxes
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How about Perl?

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 10:55 AM, Brian Lalor wrote:

> I've got a rough cut at XML and Java syntaxes done.  They're available 
> in my Subversion repository[1].
>
> [1] http://telly.bravo5.org/svn/repos/TextMate/
>
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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 16:02:27 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:02:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Your syntax definitions?
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On 6/10-2004, at 17:59, Brian Lalor wrote:
>
> Pardon me whilst I brainstorm.  What if I could feed TM a grammar 
> (say, in BNF) for a language?  Then TM could figure out syntax 
> highlighting from that based on hints, such as "string literal", 
> "variable", "loop construct", etc?

Something like that _may_ come in a future version. We (Allan and I) 
have discussed something like that, although only very briefly so far. 
I think it is a good idea, but some more thought it needed there of 
course.

-- 
Sune.
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From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 16:09:36 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:09:36 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] XML and Java syntaxes
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:

> How about Perl?

Sorry, but I loathe perl.  Won't touch it with a 10' pole. :-)  Just 
writing perl is hairy.  I don't even want to think about writing 
regexps for it.  If you're looking for a starting point, you might try 
looking at Emacs' perl mode.

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From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 16:16:58 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:16:58 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] XML and Java syntaxes
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Okay, I guess I have a project for the weekend :)

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:09 AM, Brian Lalor wrote:

> On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:
>
>> How about Perl?
>
> Sorry, but I loathe perl.  Won't touch it with a 10' pole. :-)  Just 
> writing perl is hairy.  I don't even want to think about writing 
> regexps for it.  If you're looking for a starting point, you might try 
> looking at Emacs' perl mode.
>
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From jasonfax at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  6 16:47:27 2004
From: jasonfax at hotmail.com (Jason Wong)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:47:27 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
Message-ID: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>

For show web preview, allow specification of a url, such that we can 
see dynamic content.

Jason




From jheyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 16:51:33 2004
From: jheyer at gmail.com (jheyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:51:33 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
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Message-ID: <d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>

Is there an easier way to edit the syntax coloring than opening up the
package contents and editing files by hand?

-- jheyer


From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Wed Oct  6 16:52:25 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 09:52:25 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
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Hello all,

Well I happen to be one of the people that was eagerly awaiting TM 
after reading all the buzz and never having been that fond of BBedit. 
With that said let me share some of my initial impression after a 
couple of hours of work.

1. Has a great feel overall.
2. Has the best project file list that I have seen, like DW but fast 
and pretty. The Drag and drop from the finder is great.
3. Integrated macros are a big timesaver.

Before the following list I just want to say that TM is the closest to 
perfect text editor I have used however for me it still has a few 
missing items. I would also like to encourage the developers to listen 
closely to these because I have a sense that this might be the perfect 
editor for a heavy duty programmer but the html designer/coder that I 
am might not have been the main focus and with a few improvements they 
could tap a whole other market (please take no ill will from this 
assumption I am quite ready to be told I am wrong, I also think that 
one or two of the following points might be solvable now).

Criticisms and Wish-list (in order of desire to see improved)
4. Dragging an image from the project pane into a HTML file should add 
something like <img src="eric.jpg" alt="eric" width="100" height="100" 
/> and not the actual source code of an image at the insertion point.

5. IMO the preview window needs help. I really do not like the fact 
that it closes when I switch to another document and even worse does 
not reappear when returning to the original document. This is might 
commonly be done when switching to another document to copy and paste 
something. I would much rather see a non-modal preview window that 
updates when as the user switches between files. It would also be 
helpful if it did not display non-html files such as css files.

As a web designer that adheres to web-standards I find myself doing 
quite a bit of work in the CSS file while needing to
to view the html file.  I need to have a html preview open while 
editing the CSS file. I find that I am doing just as much designing in 
code as in photoshop these days. I use a wonderful program called 
CSSedit (http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/) for this right now and 
while there preview is not perfect it is much more usable right now. 
Please go and check it out and see if you can provide a quick fix or 
two.

5a. Preview to Browser seems like it is almost there however the 
command currently refreshes the front safari window however it does not 
but the page that I am viewing into safari first! It seems like there 
should be two commands - first preview current page in bowser - and 
then secondly the current command to refresh the page. I think this one 
might be a quick fix as it is in the commands menu (I would do it and 
share if I could but alas I do not know applescript yet.)

6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and DW 
(XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
7. Column select but with the option for discontinuous selections 
(selecting every other line) like subethaedit.
8. Working with a remote server/FTP like DW
9. Split Pane Views

BUGS
1. HTML highlighting seems to break after the following:
<script language="JavaScript" src="behaviors.js" 
type="text/javascript"></script>

2. If you open an HTML page with a Quicktime movie and then go to 
another page the preview window closes (as mentioned above in point 5) 
however I noticed that the movie (or at least the sound) kept playing 
even though the window was gone. So an uneducated guess might be that 
the window is not disposing of all elements that where in it and it 
might represent a significant problem/memory leak if it also not 
disposing flash/shockwave and graphics.

Keep up the great work. I would be very interested in feedback about my 
suggestions from the developer and if they are on the table to be taken 
care of I would strongly consider purchasing a copy now.

Sincerely,

Eric Curtis



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 16:54:14 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 03:54:14 +1100
Subject: HTML, auto-complete and snippets (was Re: [TextMate] (no subject))
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On 07/10/2004, at 2:09 AM, Justin French wrote:

> On 07/10/2004, at 12:01 AM, mnothrop wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid I find the auto-complete somewhat underwhelming; it seems 
>> pretty basic, and (I think) belies it's simple pattern-matching basis 
>> -- it doesn't display any knowledge of syntax (e.g. will suggest 
>> 'body' in the context of a div tag, instead of 'border'), and is 
>> strict in it's matching (will match 'cellS...' for cellSpacing, but 
>> not 'cells...' -- oh, and hitting Escape each time isn't the most 
>> ergonomic aspect of editing.
>
> It's actually not auto-complete in the sense that it's not trying to 
> guess what you want based on context (yet)... it's simply guessing 
> what you want to type based on what you've already typed elsewhere in 
> the document.  It suggested "body" because it appeared further up the 
> page.  It possibly would have suggested border as a second option if 
> you'd typed border elsewhere.

OK, that's interesting; I read that in the help, but not while I was 
editing, it makes sense in that context, and I can see it's value for 
variables/classes, and to a lesser extent, HTML tags. The main 
drawback, IMHO, being the awkward Esc key -- while Tab seems suitable 
for snippet triggers (has the appropriate 'issuing a command' feel!) I 
tend to find the selecting completions from a code-hint menu, via Space 
to be a far more comfortable, and efficient, after all Space functions 
to 'finish this word and move on'.

> Personally, I don't mind hitting escape a few times to find what I 
> want.

I'll try it, maybe it'll work! I can see your points about customising 
it to fit... I guess I'm training my editor.  : )

> Instead of auto-complete, I've become fond of the "Make HTML Tag 2" 
> Macro, which takes the current word (eg div) and makes it into a tag.

Yeah, but I'm favouring snippets with tab stops, I like to be able to 
jump to specific points in the tags, for attribute values etc. like 
I've been pleading for... hmmm, maybe I'm starting to grok this whole 
'fits like a glove' thing...

>> ...but of course, at the moment, you've got to do the heavy lifting! 
>> It would take some time to enter a useful set of snippets, but I've 
>> started... If anyone else has, we must share!
>
> I shared everything I could come up in the few hours left before 1.0 
> was released (most of the snippet menu)... I expect that most people 
> will delete my defaults and start creating their own, which work the 
> way they want to work... after all, that's what TM does :)

Well, thanks for that, to start with!

Ah, I'm just whining about it all not just 'being there'! I am getting 
a feel for the app, in adding the snippets that I want... and yes it is 
cool to be able to specify exactly how your syntax should work.

>> I own skEdit, and really like it's auto-complete feature, which you 
>> might consider more traditional, in that it's implemented similarly 
>> to other apps (e.g. Dreamweaver, HomeSite); it suggests the likely 
>> tag *as* you type, with a drop down menu that is likewise filtered in 
>> real-time.
>
> I hate those things, but I think something like this is planned for 
> later on.

I know, they seem to be love-or-hate features... but thinking broadly 
about these features, keyboard-triggered snippets are *extremely* close 
in concept, so I'm interested in how you use these features for HTML.

>> In comparing the features you quickly see that skEdit's approach 
>> augment's the user's knowledge and memory of syntax (either 
>> reminding/reinforcing, or teaching), whereas TM requires a mental 
>> mapping of not only specifics of syntax, but an additional aspect, in 
>> the triggers. It may just be my perspective on this feature (i.e. 
>> largely reliably, and strict syntax of HTML, vs. highly variable, 
>> creative arrangements of syntax in programming languages,) but I 
>> don't find this approach as convenient for X/HTML editing.
>
> I think the point is that you re-shape TM to suit what you want... 
> it's the perfect (and better) mental model to "become one" with your 
> editor.  Write a snippet you need, attach it to a trigger that seems 
> natural to YOU, and smile :)

Hmmm, OK, now I've made a few macros... yes, I'm getting it 
more-and-more! : )

skEdit also has Snippets, but they function differently; they are 
triggered by menu or key command, but crucially, they *optionally* 
operate on selected text; they are intended to augment the default 
always-on auto-complete, when working with existing text, or non-tag 
text formatting.

The selection, and the cursor are 'variables' in the Snippet, al a Tab 
Stops in TM -- If there is no selection, they simply insert the 
contents of the Snippet, but without TM's tab stops. One possible issue 
with TM Macros are ones not prepared for a null selection (e.g. 
Selection to Link), while it's great that distinguishes between web and 
mail links, if there is no selection it appear to operate on the full 
document.

I quickly recorded a Macro to apply <strong>, by using Select Word, 
which is great, in that it can be applied to any *word* the insertion 
point is touching, and happily a selection is not over-ridden, so you 
get both options. OK, that's good! : )

But it would be wicked to combine some of the benefits of Macros and 
Snippets, so that I can apply a Macro to a selection (or not!) and also 
get tab stops. Of course there are come complex things that can be done 
with Macros, but this basic formatting function could be very 
effective.

>> Having said that, once I had a full compliment of HTML snippets, 
>> defining my coding standards (e.g. always include certain attributes, 
>> like class, id etc.), I could see it feeling more efficient... I 
>> guess the problem becomes finding the balances between these two 
>> different approaches, but the way I envisage it, my snippent menu 
>> will go on for ever!
>
> Exactly -- and it will be YOURS, to suit the way YOU work :)

Yes, except it will be annoying! ; )

Perhaps if I were able to group items in the Snippet and Macro menus 
that might help, but they're already one level down in the menu...

I tend to find the Macro and Snippet menus a little bit awkward being 
buried one level down (more so because the Macro menu jumps to the 
left, because it is long.) It seems that these are the two areas that 
will focus a lot of extension effort, and while it's logical to have 
them under automate, maybe there could be some thoughts on how they 
might be made a little more accessible...?

Anyway, TM is an interesting beast, and I'm only scratching the surface.


marc



From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 16:58:55 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 18:58:55 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <20041006155552.E580A11E4@one.textdrive.com>
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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Tomas Jogin saying:
>>>I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a
>>>remote file, but actually being able to associate a project with an
>>>ftp account.
>>Is there any reason why you don't use an actual FTP application for
>>this? Interarchy has some awesome features for this kind of work.
>>What I do right now is this: For each Project in TextMate, I have an
>>FTP Disk in Interarchy. When I open a Project, I mount the FTP Disk.
>>Whenever I change something in TextMate, it's being uploaded
>>automatically to the FTP server.
>The reason I don't want to use an actual FTP application is that I
>don't want to incessantly switch between the editor and the
>ftp-application.

Using FTP disks, you don't have to. Of course, it's not quite as nice as
absolute automation, but it's pretty close. And it could probably be
totally automated using AppleScript by having a script that opens both
the Project and the Interarchy FTP disk.

Once both are open, you don't have to do anything in Interarchy anymore.
It will pick up on any changes you make in TextMate (or any other
application) all by itself.


>The interarchy feature you mention sounds pretty nice, and in fact
>I'll download Interarchy right now, because it does sound sweet, but
>having it integrated with the editor would be even better. By the
>way, something like that isn't possible with Transmit (which I
>currently use), right?

No, Transmit doesn't do anything like that as far as I know. FTP disks
are a unique feature of Interarchy.

lucas

- -- 
"These guys are pretty cool - even though they're sixty."
  --  Beavis & Butthead (about Aerosmith)

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 16:59:50 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:59:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 18:51, jheyer wrote:

> Is there an easier way to edit the syntax coloring than opening up the
> package contents and editing files by hand?

No, not currently. You can place files in your local library to 
override the ones shipping with TM, so you don't edit the original ones 
(which will be replaced by updates).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 17:01:43 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:01:43 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <6617077B-17B9-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

Let the flamewars begin!

> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and DW 
> (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).

In my opinion that is a bad idea. This will bloat the editor. XHTML and 
CSS are not all that hard to learn, and you can quickly learn by heart 
the properties. Is this going to save you that much typing?

It would be more applicable for cocoa where you have things such as 
initWithACalibratedPredefinedButtLongMethodNameColor: 
withThisParameter: andThisParameter: andMoremormeoParameters.

And Xcode already does that for cocoa.

2. The issue about CSS.

Again, this would unnecessarily bloat the editor. CSSEdit is a great 
stand-alone application, it does what it is supposed to do perfectly. 
Just run it in conjunction with TextMate.

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:52 AM, Eric Curtis wrote:

> Hello all,
>
> Well I happen to be one of the people that was eagerly awaiting TM 
> after reading all the buzz and never having been that fond of BBedit. 
> With that said let me share some of my initial impression after a 
> couple of hours of work.
>
> 1. Has a great feel overall.
> 2. Has the best project file list that I have seen, like DW but fast 
> and pretty. The Drag and drop from the finder is great.
> 3. Integrated macros are a big timesaver.
>
> Before the following list I just want to say that TM is the closest to 
> perfect text editor I have used however for me it still has a few 
> missing items. I would also like to encourage the developers to listen 
> closely to these because I have a sense that this might be the perfect 
> editor for a heavy duty programmer but the html designer/coder that I 
> am might not have been the main focus and with a few improvements they 
> could tap a whole other market (please take no ill will from this 
> assumption I am quite ready to be told I am wrong, I also think that 
> one or two of the following points might be solvable now).
>
> Criticisms and Wish-list (in order of desire to see improved)
> 4. Dragging an image from the project pane into a HTML file should add 
> something like <img src="eric.jpg" alt="eric" width="100" height="100" 
> /> and not the actual source code of an image at the insertion point.
>
> 5. IMO the preview window needs help. I really do not like the fact 
> that it closes when I switch to another document and even worse does 
> not reappear when returning to the original document. This is might 
> commonly be done when switching to another document to copy and paste 
> something. I would much rather see a non-modal preview window that 
> updates when as the user switches between files. It would also be 
> helpful if it did not display non-html files such as css files.
>
> As a web designer that adheres to web-standards I find myself doing 
> quite a bit of work in the CSS file while needing to
> to view the html file.  I need to have a html preview open while 
> editing the CSS file. I find that I am doing just as much designing in 
> code as in photoshop these days. I use a wonderful program called 
> CSSedit (http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/) for this right now and 
> while there preview is not perfect it is much more usable right now. 
> Please go and check it out and see if you can provide a quick fix or 
> two.
>
> 5a. Preview to Browser seems like it is almost there however the 
> command currently refreshes the front safari window however it does 
> not but the page that I am viewing into safari first! It seems like 
> there should be two commands - first preview current page in bowser - 
> and then secondly the current command to refresh the page. I think 
> this one might be a quick fix as it is in the commands menu (I would 
> do it and share if I could but alas I do not know applescript yet.)
>
> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and DW 
> (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
> 7. Column select but with the option for discontinuous selections 
> (selecting every other line) like subethaedit.
> 8. Working with a remote server/FTP like DW
> 9. Split Pane Views
>
> BUGS
> 1. HTML highlighting seems to break after the following:
> <script language="JavaScript" src="behaviors.js" 
> type="text/javascript"></script>
>
> 2. If you open an HTML page with a Quicktime movie and then go to 
> another page the preview window closes (as mentioned above in point 5) 
> however I noticed that the movie (or at least the sound) kept playing 
> even though the window was gone. So an uneducated guess might be that 
> the window is not disposing of all elements that where in it and it 
> might represent a significant problem/memory leak if it also not 
> disposing flash/shockwave and graphics.
>
> Keep up the great work. I would be very interested in feedback about 
> my suggestions from the developer and if they are on the table to be 
> taken care of I would strongly consider purchasing a copy now.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Eric Curtis
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 17:07:51 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 19:07:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <20041006155552.E580A11E4@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-42429FB517BA11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Justin French saying:
>>The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can
>>easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is.
>>Having something similar in TextMate would be great.
>All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in
>there as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc).  Agreed, most
>of the values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM
>has no idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think
>BBEdit knows this either...

It does, though :-)

Here's how BBEdit work. If I have something like this:

    .foo {
    
    }

I move the cursor between the two brackets and hit Cmd-M. This gives me
a list of properties. I select one. This gives me something like this:

    .foo
    {
        border-color: ;
    }

Then I hit Cmd-Opt-M, and now I get a list of possible values for this
property along with related properties.

HTML tags work the same. This helps since

 - I only ever use tags that are valid in the scope that I am in
 - I always know what tags/properties I can use and how to spell them
 - I always know what values are allowed

I'm not sure if something along those lines is planned for TextMate
since it may not be as much targeted at HTML as BBEdit is, but it would
certainly be very nice to have something like this, maybe even more
automatic, for example with dropdown lists of legal
functions/tags/properties/values/... automatically appearing while
typing.

lucas

- -- 
"I hate words."
"Words suck."
"If I wanted to read, I'd go to school."
  -- Beavis & Butthead

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From lists at bebop.net  Wed Oct  6 17:20:50 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:20:50 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>> Is there an easier way to edit the syntax coloring than opening up the
>> package contents and editing files by hand?
>
> No, not currently. You can place files in your local library to  
> override the ones shipping with TM, so you don't edit the original  
> ones (which will be replaced by updates).

Apologies to ask about something that appears to have already been  
covered but I guess I didn't sign up for the mailing list quickly  
enough! I have found that I can make some changes to the coloring for  
obj-C  
(/Applications/TextMate/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/c.tmbundle/ 
Syntaxes/ObjectiveC.plist) but how do I get to the settings for  
elements other than foregroundColor and backgroundColor? Where are the  
settings for font attributes for comments and such?

Also what can be placed in the ~/Library and where?

tia!
   jeff



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 17:21:17 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:21:17 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-42429FB517BA11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-42429FB517BA11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <21BD1C92-17BC-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

On 07/10/2004, at 4:07 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

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> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Justin French saying:
>>> The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can
>>> easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is.
>>> Having something similar in TextMate would be great.
>> All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in
>> there as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc).  Agreed, most
>> of the values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM
>> has no idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think
>> BBEdit knows this either...
>
> It does, though :-)

<snip>

> Then I hit Cmd-Opt-M, and now I get a list of possible values for this
> property along with related properties.
>
> HTML tags work the same. This helps since
>
>  - I only ever use tags that are valid in the scope that I am in
>  - I always know what tags/properties I can use and how to spell them
>  - I always know what values are allowed

Me 2! ; )

> I'm not sure if something along those lines is planned for TextMate
> since it may not be as much targeted at HTML as BBEdit is, but it would
> certainly be very nice to have something like this, maybe even more
> automatic, for example with dropdown lists of legal
> functions/tags/properties/values/... automatically appearing while
> typing.
>
> lucas

Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit 
operates -- I'm currently trying to work out if a combination of 
Snippets and Macros can substitute for syntax-aware code hinting... 
there are benefits in both approaches, and each could learn from each 
other.

As noted by others (esp. Eric Curtis in his very good post) TextMate 
isn't fully aimed at the HTML crowd, at least not to begin with.

Crucial for HTML, IMHO, is some form of asset awareness, skEdit (broken 
record!) offers completion of image names, file references, class names 
etc., because it is aware of these elements -- it even has an image 
viewer, click on an image from and you're site folder in TM, like that 
HEX?!

Sorry, I don't mean to be sarcastic, just raising some things that are 
useful to the web crowd, but that can apply to coders too (awareness of 
other files/classes etc. without you having to type it initially to get 
it into the completion buffer.)


marc



From pburleson at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 17:25:24 2004
From: pburleson at gmail.com (Patrick Burleson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:25:24 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Automatic Opening in Scratch Project mode?
Message-ID: <be6a143b04100610257389cfef@mail.gmail.com>

I have been waiting for a good and affordable text editor to come
along for OS X. I come from the Windows world and used UltraEdit
there. The one thing I really like about TextMate is the Tabbed
interface much like other MDI like editors such UltraEdit and IntelliJ
IDEA, especially the re-ording of tabs. I just wish that TextMate
offered this tabbing without having to create a project or even a
scratch project. It would be really neat if TextMate just opening up
in scratch project mode. Is possible in the current version?

Other than that and some more syntax highlighting, it's a great piece
of work! You are to be commended! First editor I have used on OS X
that felt "right".

Patrick


From ron at spaut.com  Wed Oct  6 17:32:24 2004
From: ron at spaut.com (Ron Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:32:24 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] ftp question
Message-ID: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>

First of all, congrats on getting the app out.  As an imminent 
switcher, I have been looking for an ultraedit replacement.

I know the site says that Editing over Secure FTP is coming soon.  
However is there a way to open and save documents over FTP.  I did a 
cursory search and couldn't find it.   Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Ron



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 17:33:20 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:33:20 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

Why not just do an ftp mount through the finder?

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

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>>>> I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a
>>>> remote file, but actually being able to associate a project with an
>>>> ftp account.
>>> Is there any reason why you don't use an actual FTP application for
>>> this? Interarchy has some awesome features for this kind of work.
>>> What I do right now is this: For each Project in TextMate, I have an
>>> FTP Disk in Interarchy. When I open a Project, I mount the FTP Disk.
>>> Whenever I change something in TextMate, it's being uploaded
>>> automatically to the FTP server.
>> The reason I don't want to use an actual FTP application is that I
>> don't want to incessantly switch between the editor and the
>> ftp-application.
>
> Using FTP disks, you don't have to. Of course, it's not quite as nice 
> as
> absolute automation, but it's pretty close. And it could probably be
> totally automated using AppleScript by having a script that opens both
> the Project and the Interarchy FTP disk.
>
> Once both are open, you don't have to do anything in Interarchy 
> anymore.
> It will pick up on any changes you make in TextMate (or any other
> application) all by itself.
>
>
>> The interarchy feature you mention sounds pretty nice, and in fact
>> I'll download Interarchy right now, because it does sound sweet, but
>> having it integrated with the editor would be even better. By the
>> way, something like that isn't possible with Transmit (which I
>> currently use), right?
>
> No, Transmit doesn't do anything like that as far as I know. FTP disks
> are a unique feature of Interarchy.
>
> lucas
>
> - --
> "These guys are pretty cool - even though they're sixty."
>   --  Beavis & Butthead (about Aerosmith)
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From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 17:35:07 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:35:07 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] ftp question
In-Reply-To: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>
References: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>
Message-ID: <10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

The finder can mount FTP directories in 10.3. Just use that.

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Ron Pritchard wrote:

> First of all, congrats on getting the app out.  As an imminent 
> switcher, I have been looking for an ultraedit replacement.
>
> I know the site says that Editing over Secure FTP is coming soon.  
> However is there a way to open and save documents over FTP.  I did a 
> cursory search and couldn't find it.   Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 17:38:22 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 04:38:22 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <84FF49E8-17BE-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

On 07/10/2004, at 1:54 AM, Justin French wrote:

> On 06/10/2004, at 10:14 PM, timothy martens wrote:
>
>> Any plans for XHTML/CSS code hinting?
>>
>> And what about browser previews other than the built in safari 
>> rendering?
>
> The thing is, TM is not just about HTML... a lot of people will never 
> use it for web design.  TM tries to put you in control, and bend the 
> editors features into something that works for you.  The Safari idea 
> was something I proposed to Allan, and it's just a command bundled 
> with TM... in theory, any browser that supported Apple Script could 
> use a similar command.

Yeah, I really understand the flexibility this approach offers -- with 
a strong community lots of useful plugins could be available, a chance 
for an 'Extras' page on the site? -- but reliance on this sort of 
'flat' extensibility can also lead to a reduction in usability; these 
useful add-on features get lost in a mile long, single hierarchy, 
nested menu.

Manual grouping would be the first request, there might be an opening 
for some sort of 'Snippet' 'Macro' browser, or even a filter 
search/auto-complete/CLI invocation (e.g. LaunchBar/Quicksilver.)

> In short, write your own, and ask for help if you need it :)

Yeah, I am, but that's going to take a while... at the moment it looks 
like I will have to do double the work:

1. define Snippets for pseudo-autocomplete (on steroids) for new tags
2. record Macros to convert/wrap existing text with tags

Now, may it can be argued that '2' is somewhat redundant, or that it's 
only really necessary for bigger ticket items, like tables, but what if 
Snippets simply added support for a 'Selection' variable, along with 
it's tab stops, so that Snippets could also be run over a selection, 
conveniently making '2' completely redundant, and extending the power 
of Snippets.

>> Also, can we just have the project drawer show up by default. There's 
>> hardly ever an instance where I wouldn't need/want it in view.
>
> It's coming in a future version, AFAIK...

That's good to know.  : )


marc



From ryanpc at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 17:38:24 2004
From: ryanpc at gmail.com (Ryan Christensen)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:38:24 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] ftp question
In-Reply-To: <10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>
	<10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <a8605ed804100610381694f023@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps I'm recalling incorrectly.. but aren't those read-only? (Not
at my Mac right now, so can't exactly check..)

Ryan

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:35:07 -0500, Nick Hristov <hrisnik at iit.edu> wrote:
> The finder can mount FTP directories in 10.3. Just use that.
> 
> Nick


From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Wed Oct  6 17:39:21 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:39:21 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <6617077B-17B9-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<6617077B-17B9-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <A8491A52-17BE-11D9-B8D9-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 10:01 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:

>> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and 
>> DW (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
>
> In my opinion that is a bad idea. This will bloat the editor. XHTML 
> and CSS are not all that hard to learn, and you can quickly learn by 
> heart the properties. Is this going to save you that much typing?

Hi Nick,

I think your comment is 100% correct but so is mine...I think all too 
often people like to think in black and white, a program should or 
should not have a particular feature. Whereas a great program is one 
that would augment the working style for the particular user.

What one forgets is that users come in all varieties of experience and 
that typing code might be the day in day out task for one person while 
another user (like me) will switch between working on a 3D project, 
motion graphics, illustration or website and that I forget some syntax 
on occasion (mostly CSS stuff).

Anyway I would hope that the developer listens to both of us and if it 
is something that is requested by many people will not feel the need to 
make a boolean choice but rather provide a boolean box for turning a 
feature on and off ; )

Warm Regards,

Eric Curtis
http://www.rgbdesignstudio.com


PS. I also like the hinting when I start playing around with a new 
language and I have been eyeing ruby...



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 17:39:24 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:39:24 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 19:20, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

> Apologies to ask about something that appears to have already been  
> covered but I guess I didn't sign up for the mailing list quickly  
> enough! I have found that I can make some changes to the coloring for  
> obj-C  
> (/Applications/TextMate/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/c.tmbundle/ 
> Syntaxes/ObjectiveC.plist) but how do I get to the settings for  
> elements other than foregroundColor and backgroundColor? Where are the  
> settings for font attributes for comments and such?

Take a look at some of the examples shipped with TM.  You can use  
fontStyle = ( bold, italic ); and similar, as well as foregroundColor  
and backgroundColor as you noted. If you have captures in your RegExp,  
you can also color them individually. For example to make the text in  
the 2nd capture bold:
"fontStyle[2]" = ( bold );
(the " are needed with tags in the form a[b]).

> Also what can be placed in the ~/Library and where?

~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/Bundles (I believe)

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"



From john at firewheeldesign.com  Wed Oct  6 17:39:34 2004
From: john at firewheeldesign.com (John Marstall)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:39:34 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Selecting tags and their contents
Message-ID: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>

This is something I've longed for but have never seen it in any text 
editor yet: the ability to simply select markup tags and/or their 
enclosed contents. Most editors follow the selection logic of word > 
line, which IMO is rarely useful in working with code.

What I'd like is an assortment of modifier-clicks (command-click, 
option-click, command-shift-click, option-shift-click, etc.) that 
perform the following:

(when the pointer is inside a tag)
- single-click selection of the current, single tag
- single-click selection of the current tag, its corresponding 
opening/closing tag, and everything in between

(when the pointer is between two tags)
- single-click selection of everything between the two most immediate 
tags (and excluding the tags themselves), with perhaps additional 
clicks casting wider and wider inter-tag selections (going from 
<td>[selection]</td> to <tr>[<td>selection</td>]</tr>, for example)

Some items (like the <div> tag in HTML syntax mode) are already being 
treated as collapsible objects now, but there's no way (AFAIK) to grab 
such an object and move it around without carefully selecting the whole 
thing character-to-character. This seems like a needless restriction to 
me.

Hope that's helpful.

John



From ron at spaut.com  Wed Oct  6 17:40:04 2004
From: ron at spaut.com (Ron Pritchard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:40:04 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] ftp question
In-Reply-To: <10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>
	<10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <C1CE12DC-17BE-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>

Hi Nick, thanks.  I just signed up so I am a bit late to the 
discussion.  I am also a mac novice.

I checked the apple support site and found this:

Note: The Finder lets you connect to FTP servers with read-only access 
so you can copy files from the server. However, to copy files to an FTP 
server, you will need another program. Visit the Apple website for 
programs available for Mac OS X.

If you have a minute, could you tell me how to do this?

Thanks,

On Oct 6, 2004, at 10:35 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:

> The finder can mount FTP directories in 10.3. Just use that.
>
> Nick
>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 12:32 PM, Ron Pritchard wrote:
>
>> First of all, congrats on getting the app out.  As an imminent 
>> switcher, I have been looking for an ultraedit replacement.
>>
>> I know the site says that Editing over Secure FTP is coming soon.  
>> However is there a way to open and save documents over FTP.  I did a 
>> cursory search and couldn't find it.   Any help would be appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Ron
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>
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From tomasj at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 17:50:49 2004
From: tomasj at gmail.com (Tomas Jogin)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:50:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>

Because I want to keep local copies of the files as well.

-Tomas

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:33:20 -0500, Nick Hristov <hrisnik at iit.edu> wrote:
> Why not just do an ftp mount through the finder?
> 
> Nick
>


From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Wed Oct  6 17:51:26 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 10:51:26 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Selecting tags and their contents
In-Reply-To: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
References: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
Message-ID: <5818D370-17C0-11D9-B8D9-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 10:39 AM, John Marstall wrote:

> This is something I've longed for but have never seen it in any text 
> editor yet: the ability to simply select markup tags and/or their 
> enclosed contents. Most editors follow the selection logic of word > 
> line, which IMO is rarely useful in working with code.

Hey John,

This is a great suggestion. After you mentioned it i realized that this 
is something that I actually use in Dreamweaver and have not found 
elsewhere. For those that have not seen it they show what basically 
amounts to a breadcrumb tree in the status bar at the bottom of a 
document and you can select the complete tags by clicking on them...

Warm regards,

Eric Curtis



From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 17:53:56 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:53:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ftp question
In-Reply-To: <a8605ed804100610381694f023@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>	<10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<a8605ed804100610381694f023@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41643134.3080504@greenskin.net>

Ryan Christensen wrote:

> Perhaps I'm recalling incorrectly.. but aren't those read-only? (Not
> at my Mac right now, so can't exactly check..)

That's right :(

Actually, I think I would prefer a mounted FTP/SFTP over a function in 
an editor. Seems a much more elegant solution. So, either Apple fixes 
this in the Finder, or someone ports LUFS or builds something equivalent.

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 17:55:14 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 19:55:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <41643182.40800@greenskin.net>

Sune Foldager wrote:

>> Also what can be placed in the ~/Library and where?
> 
> ~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/Bundles (I believe)

It might be smart for a future version of TextMate to create these 
directories on first run.

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 18:00:00 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 20:00:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <20041006173515.73F0811EB@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Nick Hristov saying:
>>6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and
>>DW (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
>In my opinion that is a bad idea. This will bloat the editor. XHTML
>and CSS are not all that hard to learn, and you can quickly learn by
>heart the properties.

Two thoughts:

1) It won't bloat the editor if the user can turn it off

2) I for one can never remember all the different versions of (X)HTML
   and how you're allowed to nest tags in each version and what tags
   have which attributes and so on.

Of course, it will take time to implement something like this, so the
question is whether there are enough people who want it.


TM Users wrote:
>Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit 
>operates

Well, the problem with skEdit is that I downloaded it about a month ago,
opened it, promply forgot about it and now can't open it anymore since
the demo has expired :-)

I'll try to get it running again.

lucas

- -- 
"Are you the boys that spray-painted my dog?"
"Uh, no, that was some other guys, huh huh."
  -- Beavis & Butthead

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From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 18:02:02 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 20:02:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <20041006173515.73F0811EB@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-D4160D0617C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Nick Hristov saying:
>Why not just do an ftp mount through the finder?

Because you can't write to a server mounted in the Finder.

lucas

- --
"It's dawned on me that Zero Tolerance only seems to mean putting extra police in poor, run-down areas, and not in the Stock Exchange."
  -- Terry Pratchett

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From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 18:04:26 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:04:26 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Selecting tags and their contents
In-Reply-To: <5818D370-17C0-11D9-B8D9-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
	<5818D370-17C0-11D9-B8D9-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <290F31E7-17C2-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

Yes, this is also something that I've been seeking in an editor...

I'd envisioned this in the context of the folding feature, in that this 
makes explicit the block structure of the tag... at the very least, I'd 
hoped that you could drag a block while it is folded.

...but as things stand, only some block tags seem to be recognised as 
collapsable, so this doesn't even look to be that useful a feature, as 
it currently stands.

...but it's still good!  : D


m


On 07/10/2004, at 4:51 AM, Eric Curtis wrote:

>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 10:39 AM, John Marstall wrote:
>
>> This is something I've longed for but have never seen it in any text 
>> editor yet: the ability to simply select markup tags and/or their 
>> enclosed contents. Most editors follow the selection logic of word > 
>> line, which IMO is rarely useful in working with code.
>
> Hey John,
>
> This is a great suggestion. After you mentioned it i realized that 
> this is something that I actually use in Dreamweaver and have not 
> found elsewhere. For those that have not seen it they show what 
> basically amounts to a breadcrumb tree in the status bar at the bottom 
> of a document and you can select the complete tags by clicking on 
> them...
>
> Warm regards,
>
> Eric Curtis



From jheyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 18:04:37 2004
From: jheyer at gmail.com (jheyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:04:37 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <6617077B-17B9-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<6617077B-17B9-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <d01c2dd0041006110448b3537a@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Nick,

Code completion helps everyone! Even us web designers/developers. Only
the developers can say really how much it would bloat the application.
I say if it's not a feature of the app make it a plug-in so the
"hard-core" programmers who don't need/want the code completion for
web languages/technologies don't have to have it slow them down and
the rest of us Designers/Devs can take advantage of a feature we've
come to know and love.

With regard to cssEdit, I don't like having 15 apps open at once. The
fewer the apps the better for me. skEdit, in my opinion, does better
than cssEdit (again because of code completion) and makes my css dev
time so much shorter. I think TM needs to be flexible and fit
different types of work by using some sort of plug-in model to add the
extras we need and want.

-- jheyer


From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 18:06:45 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:06:45 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] ftp question
In-Reply-To: <10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <AF5A11A8-17BD-11D9-AE0C-003065D695AE@spaut.com>
	<10CCCCE8-17BE-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <7C0688EC-17C2-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

On 07/10/2004, at 4:33 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:

> Why not just do an ftp mount through the finder?

Likewise for WebDav, when behind a firewall -- this is how I edit some 
sites, with editors that include an FTP client... in a lot of ways, in 
the short term, I think it's better to rely on an external transfer 
client, esp, with the External Editor scheme that allows an editor to 
issue a save command to the client in the background...

IMHO switching between an external client, and an integrated client in 
a separate window, are very similar... there are also a number of 
advantages to a specialised transport client, and it's the whole new 
combined Mac/Unixy mantra of small, specialised apps working well 
together, this is a trend reaching well back in the Mac experience...

...I'm somewhat wary of a bit of a monolithic app, and MDI (read: tabs) 
trends in recent times, mainly due to the increased ease of 
incorporating OSS libraries into OS X apps, and prominent application 
examples.

Having said all of that, there *are* advantages to an integrated 
client, namely to do with tracking file name and location changes, and 
such things as interacting with recently edited files, interacting with 
CMS and source control, to name a couple.

Hang on... doesn't integrated FTP suggest some focus on HTML editor 
requirements...? If so, I'd vote for more code-related work, and 
letting me work with my existing tools: Finder, Anarchy/FTPeel (also 
has FTP mirrors) CSSEdit, Photoshop, Camino etc.


marc

: )

> Nick
>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:
>
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>> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Tomas Jogin saying:
>>>>> I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a
>>>>> remote file, but actually being able to associate a project with an
>>>>> ftp account.
>>>> Is there any reason why you don't use an actual FTP application for
>>>> this? Interarchy has some awesome features for this kind of work.
>>>> What I do right now is this: For each Project in TextMate, I have an
>>>> FTP Disk in Interarchy. When I open a Project, I mount the FTP Disk.
>>>> Whenever I change something in TextMate, it's being uploaded
>>>> automatically to the FTP server.
>>> The reason I don't want to use an actual FTP application is that I
>>> don't want to incessantly switch between the editor and the
>>> ftp-application.
>>
>> Using FTP disks, you don't have to. Of course, it's not quite as nice 
>> as
>> absolute automation, but it's pretty close. And it could probably be
>> totally automated using AppleScript by having a script that opens both
>> the Project and the Interarchy FTP disk.
>>
>> Once both are open, you don't have to do anything in Interarchy 
>> anymore.
>> It will pick up on any changes you make in TextMate (or any other
>> application) all by itself.
>>
>>
>>> The interarchy feature you mention sounds pretty nice, and in fact
>>> I'll download Interarchy right now, because it does sound sweet, but
>>> having it integrated with the editor would be even better. By the
>>> way, something like that isn't possible with Transmit (which I
>>> currently use), right?
>>
>> No, Transmit doesn't do anything like that as far as I know. FTP disks
>> are a unique feature of Interarchy.
>>
>> lucas
>>
>> - --
>> "These guys are pretty cool - even though they're sixty."
>>   --  Beavis & Butthead (about Aerosmith)
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From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 18:07:59 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:07:59 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

My previous email seemed to have caused a bit of confusion, so I am 
sending this to the whole list.

My statement that you can use the Finder to do the FTP work for you was 
incorrect. As many of you pointed out to me, the Finder has only read 
only access to remote files (regardless of the remote permissions).

This being said, there may be a way for the end user to "emulate" an 
FTP mount, through the command menu in TextMate. You will have to 
download the ncftp unix package first, though (or, something like the 
following could do).

Command->Edit Menu
[hit plus]

set standard input to None
set standard output to "Show in a seperate window"
set before running command "Save active files in project"
set commands to :

ftp <<EOT
prompt off
open ftp://username:password@[PLACE YOUR SITE HERE]
cd [TARGET DIRECTORY]
mput "$TM_FILEPATH"/*
close
EOT

Unfortunately, I cannot test this right now. With ncftp package its 
simpler (by using ncftpcopy). More later.

Nick
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From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 18:10:17 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:10:17 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <FA776E91-17C2-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>


On 07/10/2004, at 5:00 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

> marc wrote:
>> Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit
>> operates
>
> Well, the problem with skEdit is that I downloaded it about a month 
> ago,
> opened it, promply forgot about it and now can't open it anymore since
> the demo has expired :-)
>
> I'll try to get it running again.

Yes! I've just been bitching to a mate about calendar-timed demos, 
instead of a cumulative period... that happens to me all of the time!

: (



From jholland88 at comcast.net  Wed Oct  6 18:11:48 2004
From: jholland88 at comcast.net (Jeff Holland)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:11:48 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Two small requests
Message-ID: <309D8A70-17C3-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>

Hi,

First of all, congratulations on a very impressive first release! I 
think TextMate has great potential, but people should keep in mind that 
it's only a 1.0 release. BBEdit (for example) has a 12 year head-start! 
Give it some time.

I humbly submit these two small(?) feature requests which I haven't yet 
seen on this list:

- An option to highlight the line containing the insertion point (a la 
BBEdit 8).
- An option to "Indent wrapped lines by n spaces" (a la Xcode).

Both of these seemingly trivial things would make my coding life 
(ObjC/Ruby) a bit easier.

Thanks for listening, and keep up the excellent work!

Kind Regards,
-jeff



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 18:14:19 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:14:19 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <41643182.40800@greenskin.net>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41643182.40800@greenskin.net>
Message-ID: <8ACE6667-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 6/10-2004, at 19:55, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:
>
> It might be smart for a future version of TextMate to create these 
> [~/lib/app support/tm/bundles] directories on first run.

Right.. I didn't notice they weren't being created, since I have had 
mine from the beta days :).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 18:14:48 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:14:48 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd0041006110448b3537a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<6617077B-17B9-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<d01c2dd0041006110448b3537a@mail.gmail.com>
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On 07/10/2004, at 5:04 AM, jheyer wrote:

> With regard to cssEdit, I don't like having 15 apps open at once. The
> fewer the apps the better for me. skEdit, in my opinion, does better
> than cssEdit (again because of code completion) and makes my css dev
> time so much shorter. I think TM needs to be flexible and fit
> different types of work by using some sort of plug-in model to add the
> extras we need and want.

Really, I find CSSEdit's auto-complete view a bit better than skEdit's, 
though I'm now less enthusiastic about it's 'guided view' than I 
originally was.

The guided/GUI view could be more helpful/efficient, but it does have 
the benefit of laying out for you the available options...



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 18:16:03 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:16:03 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <C8BA6DD2-17C3-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

> 1) It won't bloat the editor if the user can turn it off

That depends on how it gets implemented. If a plug-in architecture is 
used there will be less overhead for the editor if the feature is off 
(the plug-in/bundle is never loaded into memory). If you simply add the 
functionality in, you will definitely increase the logic of the 
application, thus the memory footprint.

To be perfectly honest, my first take on this issue was also positive. 
However, if macromates do decide to go on this route, the code aid/code 
completion feature should be highly extensible (just as the rest of 
their editor is :) ... the reason for this that the community can build 
on the code completion library.

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:00 PM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

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> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Nick Hristov saying:
>>> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and
>>> DW (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
>> In my opinion that is a bad idea. This will bloat the editor. XHTML
>> and CSS are not all that hard to learn, and you can quickly learn by
>> heart the properties.
>
> Two thoughts:
>
>
> 2) I for one can never remember all the different versions of (X)HTML
>    and how you're allowed to nest tags in each version and what tags
>    have which attributes and so on.
>
> Of course, it will take time to implement something like this, so the
> question is whether there are enough people who want it.
>
>
> TM Users wrote:
>> Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit
>> operates
>
> Well, the problem with skEdit is that I downloaded it about a month 
> ago,
> opened it, promply forgot about it and now can't open it anymore since
> the demo has expired :-)
>
> I'll try to get it running again.
>
> lucas
>
> - --
> "Are you the boys that spray-painted my dog?"
> "Uh, no, that was some other guys, huh huh."
>   -- Beavis & Butthead
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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 18:16:27 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:16:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <D7292692-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 20:00, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:
>
> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Nick Hristov saying:
>>> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and
>>> DW (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
>> In my opinion that is a bad idea. This will bloat the editor. XHTML
>> and CSS are not all that hard to learn, and you can quickly learn by
>> heart the properties.
>
> Two thoughts:
>
> 2) I for one can never remember all the different versions of (X)HTML
>    and how you're allowed to nest tags in each version and what tags
>    have which attributes and so on.

I think the best practice is to just write HTML like it was XHTML 
strict.. or at least transitional. That is, always end your tags, 
always end non-dual tags with /> and so on. I think making TM into an 
editor which manages all the standards for you is a mistake. There is 
the w3.org site for checking the standards, and I think it's best if 
the person knows about it, not the program.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"



From jheyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 18:17:08 2004
From: jheyer at gmail.com (jheyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:17:08 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Selecting tags and their contents
In-Reply-To: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
References: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
Message-ID: <d01c2dd0041006111724e404e9@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen something similar in DW (very basic though) but I like what
your suggesting. I'm in support of it.

-- jheyer


From jheyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 18:20:27 2004
From: jheyer at gmail.com (jheyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:20:27 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>
	<A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <d01c2dd0041006112034daec61@mail.gmail.com>

Or Just get Transmit and get back to work. ;)

-- jheyer


From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 18:21:09 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:21:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Tab in snippets
Message-ID: <41643795.7090009@greenskin.net>

Small thingie: I think it would be very convenient if after entering all 
the parameters in the snippet, the tab key would place the cursor at the 
end of the snippet.

Example:

ahref\thttp://somewhere.com/\tsomewhere\t results in

<a href="http://somewhere.com/">somewhere</a>CURSOR instead of
<a href="http://somewhere.com/">somewhere      CURSOR</a>

:)

BTW: I'm starting to enjoy this editor very much...! :)

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 18:21:48 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:21:48 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <8ACE6667-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>	<A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41643182.40800@greenskin.net>
	<8ACE6667-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <416437BC.5040400@greenskin.net>

Sune Foldager wrote:

> Right.. I didn't notice they weren't being created, since I have had 
> mine from the beta days :).

Lucky bastard ;)

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 18:28:49 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:28:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Tab in snippets
In-Reply-To: <41643795.7090009@greenskin.net>
References: <41643795.7090009@greenskin.net>
Message-ID: <9147A47D-17C5-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 6/10-2004, at 20:21, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:

> Small thingie: I think it would be very convenient if after entering 
> all the parameters in the snippet, the tab key would place the cursor 
> at the end of the snippet.

I agree, although this is possible of course in the current version 
like this:
<img src="$1" />$2

Or similar. I believe $0 can also be used for that purpose, regardless 
of the number of tab stops. I sort of think that this should not be 
neccesary and it should always end up after the snippet body no matter 
what... I can't imagine any situation where you _don't_ want that.. ?

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Wed Oct  6 18:29:54 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:29:54 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <D7292692-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
	<D7292692-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <B811E8F7-17C5-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

On 07/10/2004, at 5:16 AM, Sune Foldager wrote:

>> 2) I for one can never remember all the different versions of (X)HTML
>>    and how you're allowed to nest tags in each version and what tags
>>    have which attributes and so on.
>
> I think the best practice is to just write HTML like it was XHTML 
> strict.. or at least transitional. That is, always end your tags, 
> always end non-dual tags with /> and so on. I think making TM into an 
> editor which manages all the standards for you is a mistake. There is 
> the w3.org site for checking the standards, and I think it's best if 
> the person knows about it, not the program.

I agree with you in one sense, the developer has to know/learn the 
correct syntax, to work most effectively with it, but there's also a 
reason we have computers, they can do alot of the 'detail stuff' for 
us... like data entry validation, and error prevention.... : )

Sure, you don't want to completely cede all validation to the editor, 
but syntactic validity is function of an editor, think of it as JIT 
validation... and while the syntax strictness is a nice bonus I'd like 
to have, both to reinforce my standards knowledge, but also in speeding 
my entry, and preventing typos.

...but all of this talk about auto-completion is missing the fact that 
with a little work, Snippets offer some advantages... like the tab 
stops, *limiting*, or guiding your code navigation, but ironically, 
they'd also benefit from the ability to add valid attributes via 
code-hinting, once you want to deviate from the basic markup from the 
Snippet.


m



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 18:10:43 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:10:43 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Automatic Opening in Scratch Project mode?
In-Reply-To: <be6a143b04100610257389cfef@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6a143b04100610257389cfef@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0A023C3A-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 6/10-2004, at 19:25, Patrick Burleson wrote:

> I have been waiting for a good and affordable text editor to come
> along for OS X. I come from the Windows world and used UltraEdit
> there. The one thing I really like about TextMate is the Tabbed
> interface much like other MDI like editors such UltraEdit and IntelliJ
> IDEA, especially the re-ording of tabs. I just wish that TextMate
> offered this tabbing without having to create a project or even a
> scratch project. It would be really neat if TextMate just opening up
> in scratch project mode. Is possible in the current version?

No, but will be in the next one (or one of the next ones), I think. 
Main reason it wasn't included in the initial was time.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"



From evan at digitalindependence.com  Wed Oct  6 18:41:25 2004
From: evan at digitalindependence.com (Evan Donn)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 11:41:25 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] CSS/Preview
In-Reply-To: <0A023C3A-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <be6a143b04100610257389cfef@mail.gmail.com>
	<0A023C3A-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <53E41BE6-17C7-11D9-B513-003065B0FC4A@digitalindependence.com>

I just downloaded the app and it's looks great...I'm noticing the 
preview window isn't 'sticky' - it goes away as soon as I tab to 
another document, and it can only preview the currently active 
document. This is a real problem for CSS as it previews the stylesheet 
itself (so I get a long line of CSS)...is there some way to keep one 
document open in the preview window while I work on a stylesheet so I 
can see the results of the stylesheet changes?

Evan



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 18:42:30 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:42:30 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <B811E8F7-17C5-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
References: <r02010400-1035-8BCE631417C111D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
	<D7292692-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<B811E8F7-17C5-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
Message-ID: <7A61E99D-17C7-11D9-8B49-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

Since we are on this topic, is there a built-in html tidy, or run this 
as an external command too?

Nick

On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:29 PM, marc wrote:

> On 07/10/2004, at 5:16 AM, Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>>> 2) I for one can never remember all the different versions of (X)HTML
>>>    and how you're allowed to nest tags in each version and what tags
>>>    have which attributes and so on.
>>
>> I think the best practice is to just write HTML like it was XHTML 
>> strict.. or at least transitional. That is, always end your tags, 
>> always end non-dual tags with /> and so on. I think making TM into an 
>> editor which manages all the standards for you is a mistake. There is 
>> the w3.org site for checking the standards, and I think it's best if 
>> the person knows about it, not the program.
>
> I agree with you in one sense, the developer has to know/learn the 
> correct syntax, to work most effectively with it, but there's also a 
> reason we have computers, they can do alot of the 'detail stuff' for 
> us... like data entry validation, and error prevention.... : )
>
> Sure, you don't want to completely cede all validation to the editor, 
> but syntactic validity is function of an editor, think of it as JIT 
> validation... and while the syntax strictness is a nice bonus I'd like 
> to have, both to reinforce my standards knowledge, but also in 
> speeding my entry, and preventing typos.
>
> ...but all of this talk about auto-completion is missing the fact that 
> with a little work, Snippets offer some advantages... like the tab 
> stops, *limiting*, or guiding your code navigation, but ironically, 
> they'd also benefit from the ability to add valid attributes via 
> code-hinting, once you want to deviate from the basic markup from the 
> Snippet.
>
>
> m
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 18:43:43 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:43:43 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
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[General comment to this thread..]
Others suggested the Interarchy application, which can make virtual FTP 
disks, and I agree that it tends to be a very good solution. Try it out 
if you need the integrated FTP! :-)

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org/  --  content follows ;).
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From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 18:43:43 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:43:43 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] sftp/ftp-support and external clients
In-Reply-To: <8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
References: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
Message-ID: <A6063E68-17C7-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

> SFTP support is planned for version 1.1. And unlike most editors that 
> merely integrate with Transmit or other existing programs, the plan is 
> to have support from within TextMate.

> There's no immediate plans to support the regular, unsecure version of 
> FTP. But it all depends on what the community around TextMate is most 
> interested in.

I think that above SFTP, FTP is a necessity. Unless you use TextDrive 
for EVERYTHING, which some of us just can't (clients don't all have a 
super webhost), we need support for both.

Likewise, a built in FTP client is cool, but I want this editor to work 
just as well with Transmit and YummyFTP and Interarchy as BBEdit did. 
In fact, if it doesn't, I'm back to working with BBEdit, even though as 
it stands I still have to (for editing files ON the server).

A bunch of small programs working well together is better than one app 
that does it all.

-Noel

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 18:52:38 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:52:38 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Snippets, and Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

I've already submitted this to "the boys", however I figured i'd bring 
it up here.

For a snippet, there should be a variable say "$s" that references the 
text selected when the snippet was acted on, so that say, if I select 
noel at noeljackson.com and click on my href snippet, it will replace $s 
with noel at noeljackson.com, allowing easy creation of headers etc in 
HTML without going back, or creating macros.


-Noel



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Wed Oct  6 18:56:46 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:56:46 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] another feature request
Message-ID: <789C86A6-17C9-11D9-8B49-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

This should be relatively short and simple: execute the external 
commands as an NSTask or detach a thread from NSApp .

Nick



From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 18:57:58 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 20:57:58 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <20041006184351.B3A3611E5@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-A511623E17C911D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Sune Foldager saying:
>>2) I for one can never remember all the different versions of (X)HTML
>>and how you're allowed to nest tags in each version and what tags
>>have which attributes and so on.
>I think the best practice is to just write HTML like it was XHTML
>strict.. or at least transitional. That is, always end your tags,
>always end non-dual tags with /> and so on.

That's what I do, but it doesn't help me with the problems I mentioned.


>I think making TM into an editor which manages all the standards for
>you is a mistake. There is the w3.org site for checking the standards,
>and I think it's best if the person knows about it, not the program.

I write applications in Java, C#, Objective-C, C, C++, AppleScript, Perl
and some other languages. I write HTML, CSS, JavaScript, RSS and more
for several different web sites which use different versions of (X)HTML.

I'm afraid I don't work with HTML often enough to remember what
attributes were removed from which version of HTML, but I still want to
write valid HTML. Of course I validiate my sites with the HTML
validator. But even so I would like to have an editor that helps me
write corrent HTML in the first place by showing me what's allowed and
what's not while I actually write the code.

This is not a show stopper. TextMate is great even without such a
feature. But this feature would definitely help me a great deal and save
a ton of my time.

lucas

- -- 
"There is no more noble occupation in the world than to assist another human being - to help someone succeed."
  -- Alan Loy McGinnis

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From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 19:05:53 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:05:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <A60CA162-17C7-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>	<A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<A60CA162-17C7-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <41644211.8040501@greenskin.net>

Sune Foldager wrote:

> Others suggested the Interarchy application, which can make virtual FTP 
> disks, and I agree that it tends to be a very good solution. Try it out 
> if you need the integrated FTP! :-)

40 bucks just to mount a FTP server seems a bit much to me...

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 19:09:06 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:09:06 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

When pasting HTML in from a web browser to TextMate, it loses it's 
tabbed formatting. Whereas BBEdit will keep the tabs and returns of the 
text. I'm using firefox.

-Noel
>

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
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From kevin.marsh at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 19:09:13 2004
From: kevin.marsh at gmail.com (Kevin Marsh)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:09:13 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <416437BC.5040400@greenskin.net>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41643182.40800@greenskin.net>
	<8ACE6667-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416437BC.5040400@greenskin.net>
Message-ID: <fd155ef704100612095aaf55f7@mail.gmail.com>

Will the syntax highlighting colors be more easily customizable?  I'd
love to see what people can pull off with these (some of vim's great
syntax sets come to mind, for example).  No offense, but I am not the
biggest fan of TM's default colors.

Kevin


On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 20:21:48 +0200, Joost Schuttelaar
<joost at greenskin.net> wrote:
> Sune Foldager wrote:
> 
> > Right.. I didn't notice they weren't being created, since I have had
> > mine from the beta days :).
> 
> Lucky bastard ;)
> 
> --
> 
> Joost Schuttelaar
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Kevin Marsh <kevin.marsh at gmail.com>


From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 19:16:52 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:16:52 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Actually, when copying and pasting HTML from any other editor to 
TextMate, even with the "Indented Paste" option checked, it still comes 
out all jumbled together (not cool).

-Noel

On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:09 PM, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> When pasting HTML in from a web browser to TextMate, it loses it's 
> tabbed formatting. Whereas BBEdit will keep the tabs and returns of 
> the text. I'm using firefox.

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 18:46:42 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:46:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Two small requests
In-Reply-To: <309D8A70-17C3-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>
References: <309D8A70-17C3-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <10966C84-17C8-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 20:11, Jeff Holland wrote:
> I humbly submit these two small(?) feature requests which I haven't 
> yet seen on this list:
>
> - An option to highlight the line containing the insertion point (a la 
> BBEdit 8).
> - An option to "Indent wrapped lines by n spaces" (a la Xcode).

I like those. UltraEdit has an option for permanently highlighting the 
current line, I don't know if that's the same as in BBEdit, but it can 
be nice at times... A small arrow or something in the gutter, would 
work better for me though (maybe just a different background color in 
the gutter, so it doesn't have to take up more space).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org/  --  content follows ;).
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From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Wed Oct  6 19:56:14 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:56:14 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Add More Folds for HTML
Message-ID: <C794260E-17D1-11D9-B8D9-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>

I was poking around in the HTMl bundles and found an easy way to add  
more elements that would fold (Marc asked about this).
Go to and edit:
/Applications/TextMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/ 
HTML.tmbundle/Syntaxes/HTML.plist

Line 34 and 35 are:
	foldingStartMarker =  
"(<(?i:(head|table|div|style|script|ul|ol|form|dl|p|li|a|select))\\>.*? 
 >|\\{)";
	foldingStopMarker =  
"(</(?i: 
(head|table|div|style|script|ul|ol|form|dl|p|li|a|select))>|\\})";

I added the p,li,a, and select.

One thing to note is that a fold will only occur if an element takes up  
multiple lines (one line wrapped will not fold).

Have Fun,

Eric Curtis



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct  6 20:33:36 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:33:36 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Anti-aliased text
Message-ID: <416456A0.9030501@allinthehead.com>

I'm using ProFont and coding in PHP (for today, at least).

I'm finding the anti-aliased text unusable on a white background. It's 
all fuzzy and lacks definition. If I switch anti-aliasing off, any 
emboldened keywords become unreadable, as ProFont doesn't really support 
bold text.

The ruby colour scheme, which uses a dark background, doesn't seem to 
suffer from this.

Any suggestions?

drew.

-- 
drew mclellan
http://allinthehead.com/

web standards project
http://webstandards.org/


From jheyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 20:36:38 2004
From: jheyer at gmail.com (jheyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:36:38 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Anti-aliased text
In-Reply-To: <416456A0.9030501@allinthehead.com>
References: <416456A0.9030501@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <d01c2dd004100613362b40ab3e@mail.gmail.com>

Drew,

Make sure that the font size is set to 9px. By default it's at 10px. (I think.)

-- jheyer


From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct  6 20:40:16 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 21:40:16 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Anti-aliased text
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd004100613362b40ab3e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <416456A0.9030501@allinthehead.com>
	<d01c2dd004100613362b40ab3e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <41645830.3040506@allinthehead.com>

jheyer wrote:

> Drew,
> 
> Make sure that the font size is set to 9px. By default it's at 10px. (I think.)
> 
> -- jheyer

Whew! If only all my problems were that easily solved ;)

Many thanks.

drew.


From pburleson at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 21:04:15 2004
From: pburleson at gmail.com (Patrick Burleson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:04:15 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] File Types and Icons
Message-ID: <be6a143b04100614044aed5311@mail.gmail.com>

So I wanted to start associating most of my plain text files to open
in TextMate and I was hit with a big "bummer". It appears that .sql is
not an ending the TextMate developers had thought would be a text file
and thus, I get the blank icon instead of the nice TextMate Text
Document icon.

Is there a way to tell the Finder that I want the TextMate icon no
matter what the file extension?

Thanks,
Patrick

P.S. I'm fairly new on the OS X platform coming from Windows for the
past few years and the OS 7 and 8 before that.


From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Wed Oct  6 21:06:55 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Wed,  6 Oct 2004 23:06:55 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <20041006204027.A64BE11D1@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-A799BEDC17DB11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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>>Others suggested the Interarchy application, which can make virtual
>>FTP disks, and I agree that it tends to be a very good solution. Try
>>it out if you need the integrated FTP! :-)
>40 bucks just to mount a FTP server seems a bit much to me...

Interarchy does a lot more than that. It's quite simply the best FTP
client on the Mac and the only FTP client that does everything I want an
FTP client to do. If you work with FTP (or SFTP or any of the other
supported protocols) regularly, you owe it yourself to at least check
out Interarchy.

lucas

- -- 
"Were you born worthless, or did you have to work at it?"
  -- R. Lee Ermey as Sergeant Hartman in "Full Metal Jacket"

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From john at firewheeldesign.com  Wed Oct  6 21:09:48 2004
From: john at firewheeldesign.com (John Marstall)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:09:48 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] File Types and Icons
In-Reply-To: <be6a143b04100614044aed5311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6a143b04100614044aed5311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0E691FD7-17DC-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>

Patrick,

I think what  you want to do is this:

- Select a .sql file
- Hit File > Get Info
- Under "Open with", select TextMate from the pulldown menu. If it's 
not listed, select "Other..." and choose it from the dialog.
- Hit the "Change All..." button and confirm the change

Hope that works for you.

John

On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Burleson wrote:

> So I wanted to start associating most of my plain text files to open
> in TextMate and I was hit with a big "bummer". It appears that .sql is
> not an ending the TextMate developers had thought would be a text file
> and thus, I get the blank icon instead of the nice TextMate Text
> Document icon.
>
> Is there a way to tell the Finder that I want the TextMate icon no
> matter what the file extension?
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
> P.S. I'm fairly new on the OS X platform coming from Windows for the
> past few years and the OS 7 and 8 before that.
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From subscriber at ampede.com  Wed Oct  6 21:11:13 2004
From: subscriber at ampede.com (Eric Ocean)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 14:11:13 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] File Types and Icons
In-Reply-To: <be6a143b04100614044aed5311@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6a143b04100614044aed5311@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <40CB6BE3-17DC-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>

Yes, edit the Info.plist file for TextMate. You'll see all of the other 
extensions in there, too.

On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:04 PM, Patrick Burleson wrote:

> So I wanted to start associating most of my plain text files to open
> in TextMate and I was hit with a big "bummer". It appears that .sql is
> not an ending the TextMate developers had thought would be a text file
> and thus, I get the blank icon instead of the nice TextMate Text
> Document icon.
>
> Is there a way to tell the Finder that I want the TextMate icon no
> matter what the file extension?
>
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
> P.S. I'm fairly new on the OS X platform coming from Windows for the
> past few years and the OS 7 and 8 before that.
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From aellis at gmx.net  Wed Oct  6 21:24:28 2004
From: aellis at gmx.net (Andrew Ellis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:24:28 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ProFont
Message-ID: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>

I'm trying to use Profont, but if I type an f followed by an i, the 
spacing goes crazy, ie. the letters move close together, but the cursor 
moves as if the spacing was normal. This happens only for f and i, and 
I haven't seen this in any other apps using ProFont.

Is anyone else having the same problem?

Thanks,

Andrew
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From john at firewheeldesign.com  Wed Oct  6 21:29:07 2004
From: john at firewheeldesign.com (John Marstall)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:29:07 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] ProFont
In-Reply-To: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <C14AA440-17DE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>

Heh, it's automatically creating a ligature (single-character 
combination of the two letters). That definitely seems like a bug.

John

On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Ellis wrote:

> I'm trying to use Profont, but if I type an f followed by an i, the 
> spacing goes crazy, ie. the letters move close together, but the 
> cursor moves as if the spacing was normal. This happens only for f and 
> i, and I haven't seen this in any other apps using ProFont.
>
> Is anyone else having the same problem?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Andrew
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 21:32:56 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:32:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <fd155ef704100612095aaf55f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41643182.40800@greenskin.net>
	<8ACE6667-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416437BC.5040400@greenskin.net>
	<fd155ef704100612095aaf55f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4977C840-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 21:09, Kevin Marsh wrote:

> Will the syntax highlighting colors be more easily customizable?  I'd
> love to see what people can pull off with these (some of vim's great
> syntax sets come to mind, for example).  No offense, but I am not the
> biggest fan of TM's default colors.

The colors in TM are fully customizable, and it shouldn't be too hard, 
especially not if you are used to HTML colors (i.e. 24-bit RGB in hex 
encoding), which is what TM syntax highlight files use. There are many 
different opinions on the color schemes used for e.g. C++, so I don't 
think you will offend anyone if yuo don't like those shipped with TM 
:-). In a future version, there will be an editor for syntax highlights 
built into TM.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 21:35:09 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:35:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
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On 6/10-2004, at 21:16, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> Actually, when copying and pasting HTML from any other editor to 
> TextMate, even with the "Indented Paste" option checked, it still 
> comes out all jumbled together (not cool).

Have you tried toggling the Tab Emulation setting?  I am not sure that 
has anything to do with it though.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 21:36:59 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:36:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <41644211.8040501@greenskin.net>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>	<A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
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On 6/10-2004, at 21:05, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:

> Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> Others suggested the Interarchy application, which can make virtual 
>> FTP disks, and I agree that it tends to be a very good solution. Try 
>> it out if you need the integrated FTP! :-)
>
> 40 bucks just to mount a FTP server seems a bit much to me...

As in TM costs 40 bucks or Interarchy does?  If the former, I don't 
really understand your argument. If the latter, I guess Interachy is 
too expansive... I don't remember, it's been a long time since I used 
it.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

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From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct  6 21:38:10 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:38:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ProFont
In-Reply-To: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>

According to Andrew Ellis:
> I'm trying to use Profont, but if I type an f followed by an i, the 
> spacing goes crazy, ie. the letters move close together, but the cursor 

I don't have this problem but using a non standard font (Bitstream Vera
Mono, a very nice fixed free font), underscore have a tendency to
disappear. Scrolling seems to get some back then other disappear again.

See the following screenshot, I believe it is quite easy to spot where
underscore should be :)

<http://www.keltia.net/download/no_underscore.pdf>

Thanks for TM by the way, although I see some things missing (preferences
menu for example), TM seems a blessing after struggling to find a decent
editor (although jEdit comes close, it is Java).
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 21:44:21 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:44:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ProFont
In-Reply-To: <C14AA440-17DE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<C14AA440-17DE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
Message-ID: <E1CBE3E1-17E0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 23:29, John Marstall wrote:
> Heh, it's automatically creating a ligature (single-character 
> combination of the two letters). That definitely seems like a bug.
>
> John
>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Ellis wrote:
>
>> I'm trying to use Profont, but if I type an f followed by an i, the 
>> spacing goes crazy, ie. the letters move close together, but the 
>> cursor moves as if the spacing was normal. This happens only for f 
>> and i, and I haven't seen this in any other apps using ProFont.

Alright, there is currently a problem with ATSUI (text rendering) and 
ligatures... there is a version of pro-font without ligatures which 
will work instead until the problem is solved called  ProFontIsoLatin1

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

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From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 21:44:41 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:44:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-A511623E17C911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
References: <20041006184351.B3A3611E5@one.textdrive.com>
	<r02010400-1035-A511623E17C911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>
Message-ID: <f888a1904100614447fa3c2b5@mail.gmail.com>

So what we?d need is a dtd interpreter?
Implementing bbedit cmd-m style inserting should be fairly easy
to implement given two new features in the Commands implementation;

1. "TM_CURRENT_BLOCK"  environment variable. (TextMate must know this
already to handle folding.)

and

2. "Select value from list, and insert at caret" Standard output, for commands.

this way, using Commands, we can pass '<div>', '<ul id="menu">','div'
or whatever from my hypothetical TM_CURRENT_BLOCK variable to an
external script and make that return newline separated valid tags for
that context.

"Select value from list.." output would then present the result in a
list, and allow you to insert your choice at the caret.


This said, what i?d REALLY love would be a SketchUp style ruby API for
extending the editor. (http://sketchup.com/forum/list.php?f=6)


hp.


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 21:45:53 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:45:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 23:38, Ollivier Robert wrote:
> Thanks for TM by the way, although I see some things missing 
> (preferences
> menu for example), TM seems a blessing after struggling to find a 
> decent
> editor (although jEdit comes close, it is Java).

That's good :-). Actually, the preferences menu is missing on purpose. 
At least for now the goal was to make it as easy and straight forward 
while also very powerful, as possible. Everything can be toggled 
directly in the menus, and states are saved on exit :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"

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From john at firewheeldesign.com  Wed Oct  6 21:51:56 2004
From: john at firewheeldesign.com (John Marstall)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:51:56 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] ProFont
In-Reply-To: <E1CBE3E1-17E0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
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Yup, that fixes it. Thanks, Sune.

John

On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:44 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 6/10-2004, at 23:29, John Marstall wrote:
>> Heh, it's automatically creating a ligature (single-character 
>> combination of the two letters). That definitely seems like a bug.
>>
>> John
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:24 PM, Andrew Ellis wrote:
>>
>>> I'm trying to use Profont, but if I type an f followed by an i, the 
>>> spacing goes crazy, ie. the letters move close together, but the 
>>> cursor moves as if the spacing was normal. This happens only for f 
>>> and i, and I haven't seen this in any other apps using ProFont.
>
> Alright, there is currently a problem with ATSUI (text rendering) and 
> ligatures... there is a version of pro-font without ligatures which 
> will work instead until the problem is solved called  ProFontIsoLatin1
>
> -- 
> Sune.
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 21:53:50 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:53:50 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <9941C6C8-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<9941C6C8-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <355A30EA-17E2-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Sure have. Only editor that I can paste to and from is TextEdit. Even 
copying from BBEdit to TextMate doesn't work right.

On Oct 6, 2004, at 5:35 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> Have you tried toggling the Tab Emulation setting?  I am not sure that 
> has anything to do with it though.

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From aellis at gmx.net  Wed Oct  6 21:54:59 2004
From: aellis at gmx.net (Andrew Ellis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:54:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <5E1E2018-17E2-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>

That's better, thanks



On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:45 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 6/10-2004, at 23:38, Ollivier Robert wrote:
>> Thanks for TM by the way, although I see some things missing 
>> (preferences
>> menu for example), TM seems a blessing after struggling to find a 
>> decent
>> editor (although jEdit comes close, it is Java).
>
> That's good :-). Actually, the preferences menu is missing on purpose. 
> At least for now the goal was to make it as easy and straight forward 
> while also very powerful, as possible. Everything can be toggled 
> directly in the menus, and states are saved on exit :-).
>
> -- 
> Sune.
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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From extra at newcode.se  Wed Oct  6 21:55:10 2004
From: extra at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 23:55:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 23:45, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 6/10-2004, at 23:38, Ollivier Robert wrote:
>> Thanks for TM by the way, although I see some things missing 
>> (preferences
>> menu for example), TM seems a blessing after struggling to find a 
>> decent
>> editor (although jEdit comes close, it is Java).
>
> That's good :-). Actually, the preferences menu is missing on purpose. 
> At least for now the goal was to make it as easy and straight forward 
> while also very powerful, as possible. Everything can be toggled 
> directly in the menus, and states are saved on exit :-).

I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate still 
has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab width, etc., 
but instead of keeping them all together in one place where they're 
easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the other menus. How 
is that easy and straight forward?

/ Carl-Johan Kihlbom



From lists at bebop.net  Wed Oct  6 22:01:09 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:01:09 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <4977C840-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
	<22AFAAFC-17B9-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<11EF0392-17BC-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<A9C1F092-17BE-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
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	<8ACE6667-17C3-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
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>> Will the syntax highlighting colors be more easily customizable?  I'd
>> love to see what people can pull off with these (some of vim's great
>> syntax sets come to mind, for example).  No offense, but I am not the
>> biggest fan of TM's default colors.
>
> The colors in TM are fully customizable, and it shouldn't be too hard, 
> especially not if you are used to HTML colors (i.e. 24-bit RGB in hex 
> encoding), which is what TM syntax highlight files use. There are many 
> different opinions on the color schemes used for e.g. C++, so I don't 
> think you will offend anyone if yuo don't like those shipped with TM 
> :-). In a future version, there will be an editor for syntax 
> highlights built into TM.

Does the app need to be restarted for syntax color changes to take 
affect?



From pburleson at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 22:01:37 2004
From: pburleson at gmail.com (Patrick Burleson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:01:37 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] File Types and Icons
In-Reply-To: <0E691FD7-17DC-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
References: <be6a143b04100614044aed5311@mail.gmail.com>
	<0E691FD7-17DC-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
Message-ID: <be6a143b04100615014a3b2efd@mail.gmail.com>

John,

That is what I did...unfortunately, since TextMate doesn't define an
icon for .sql, I get a bland blank icon. It still opens TextMate, but
displays "TextMate Document" instead of "Text Document" for the type.

Patrick


On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:09:48 -0500, John Marstall
<john at firewheeldesign.com> wrote:
> Patrick,
> 
> I think what  you want to do is this:
> 
> - Select a .sql file
> - Hit File > Get Info
> - Under "Open with", select TextMate from the pulldown menu. If it's
> not listed, select "Other..." and choose it from the dialog.
> - Hit the "Change All..." button and confirm the change
> 
> Hope that works for you.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:04 PM, Patrick Burleson wrote:
> 
> > So I wanted to start associating most of my plain text files to open
> > in TextMate and I was hit with a big "bummer". It appears that .sql is
> > not an ending the TextMate developers had thought would be a text file
> > and thus, I get the blank icon instead of the nice TextMate Text
> > Document icon.
> >
> > Is there a way to tell the Finder that I want the TextMate icon no
> > matter what the file extension?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Patrick
> >
> > P.S. I'm fairly new on the OS X platform coming from Windows for the
> > past few years and the OS 7 and 8 before that.
> > _______________________________________________
> > textmate mailing list
> > textmate at lists.macromates.com
> > http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> >
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:04:09 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:04:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
Message-ID: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 6/10-2004, at 23:55, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:
>
> I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate still 
> has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab width, etc., 
> but instead of keeping them all together in one place where they're 
> easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the other menus. How 
> is that easy and straight forward?

I don't agree that they are spread out and hidden... well, they are 
spread out but they arein the menus where they logically belong. For 
example, font setting is in the view menu, stuff that determines how 
the editor reacts to your input is in the behaviour menu, and stuff 
relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
"deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:06:15 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:06:15 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <3ADB2D61-17E3-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
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On 7/10-2004, at 0:01, Jeff Ganyard wrote:
> Does the app need to be restarted for syntax color changes to take 
> affect?

Yes, currently it does. It will be adressed in a future versions. If 
you want to check syntax highlight patterns (i.e. regex), it's useful 
to use Search in the document to see if they match correctly. But for 
new colors, restart is needed currently.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From extra at newcode.se  Wed Oct  6 22:10:17 2004
From: extra at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:10:17 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
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On Oct 7, 2004, at 00:04, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 6/10-2004, at 23:55, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate 
>> still has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab 
>> width, etc., but instead of keeping them all together in one place 
>> where they're easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the 
>> other menus. How is that easy and straight forward?
>
> I don't agree that they are spread out and hidden... well, they are 
> spread out but they arein the menus where they logically belong. For 
> example, font setting is in the view menu, stuff that determines how 
> the editor reacts to your input is in the behaviour menu, and stuff 
> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.

I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. I think I'll just 
have to start a Preferences for TextMate petition :-D Who's with me?!

/ Carl-Johan



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:10:57 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:10:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <355A30EA-17E2-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
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Message-ID: <999AD4BA-17E4-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 6/10-2004, at 23:53, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> Sure have. Only editor that I can paste to and from is TextEdit. Even 
> copying from BBEdit to TextMate doesn't work right.

Hmm.. maybe this is a feature in BBEdit where it cleans up the pasted 
result? Try this from a shell to see what format the text on the 
clipboard really has:
pbpaste

Are there tabs and linebreaks there?

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 22:12:23 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:12:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <DAD90415-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>	<A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<A60CA162-17C7-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41644211.8040501@greenskin.net>
	<DAD90415-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <41646DC7.1030707@greenskin.net>

Sune Foldager wrote:

> As in TM costs 40 bucks or Interarchy does?  If the former, I don't 
> really understand your argument. If the latter, I guess Interachy is too 
> expansive... I don't remember, it's been a long time since I used it.

The latter, ofcourse :)

Someone just needs to build a decent open source FTP disk mounter for OSX :)

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From jheyer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 22:14:20 2004
From: jheyer at gmail.com (jheyer)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:14:20 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Projected Timeline?
Message-ID: <d01c2dd004100615143f0114b4@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, I really like TextMate's features (especially the tabs and
project window). I'm just wonder if there is somewhere we can view the
projected timeline for the development of this app. I have 30 days to
evaluate it and I'd like to know what features will be up and coming
so I can determine if it will fit my needs and wants. Thanks.

-- jheyer


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:15:08 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:15:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <41646DC7.1030707@greenskin.net>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>	<A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<A60CA162-17C7-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41644211.8040501@greenskin.net>
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On 7/10-2004, at 0:12, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:
> Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> As in TM costs 40 bucks or Interarchy does?  If the former, I don't 
>> really understand your argument. If the latter, I guess Interachy is 
>> too expansive... I don't remember, it's been a long time since I used 
>> it.
>
> The latter, ofcourse :)
> Someone just needs to build a decent open source FTP disk mounter for 
> OSX :)

Yeah, I hear you ... :-). ..or Apple needs to do something serious 
about the built in one.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:17:49 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:17:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Projected Timeline?
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd004100615143f0114b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d01c2dd004100615143f0114b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8ECF4AB0-17E5-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 0:14, jheyer wrote:

> Hey, I really like TextMate's features (especially the tabs and
> project window). I'm just wonder if there is somewhere we can view the
> projected timeline for the development of this app. I have 30 days to
> evaluate it and I'd like to know what features will be up and coming
> so I can determine if it will fit my needs and wants. Thanks.

I am not the developer, so I don't know for sure.. but I think it's 
hard to say at this point. There are many features on the dashboard, 
and some prioritizing needs to be done of course. I don't think there 
are much better answers right now I am afraid :-(.

-- 
Sune.
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From lists at bebop.net  Wed Oct  6 22:18:51 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:18:51 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
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Message-ID: <B3F33B67-17E5-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>> I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate 
>> still has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab 
>> width, etc., but instead of keeping them all together in one place 
>> where they're easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the 
>> other menus. How is that easy and straight forward?
>
> I don't agree that they are spread out and hidden... well, they are 
> spread out but they arein the menus where they logically belong. For 
> example, font setting is in the view menu, stuff that determines how 
> the editor reacts to your input is in the behaviour menu, and stuff 
> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.

What would be wrong with both? In many case users will want to change a 
number of settings in a short time period. Having all settings in a 
single convenient location would suit that activity very well. Other 
user will want to change things as they go, so the current behavior 
will work for them. What's wrong with trying to support multiple usage 
styles?

Having preferences collected also provides the user with a greta 
resource and reference for what is customizable and may even expose 
capabilities of the application they had not yet discovered. Since the 
code is already written to handle the changing of settings - would it 
really be that difficult to whip up a nib and connect the actions?



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct  6 22:24:18 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:24:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
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	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041006222418.GC28578@tara.freenix.org>

According to Sune Foldager:
> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.

You cannot change the syntax highliting colours w/o manually editing the
bundle file.  I'm afraid I don't think it is a good thing.

I like to have light background and to modify it, I have to find the
hexcode for every colour I want to change and restart TM.

It is a bit too cumbersome.

Ollivier #63 :-)
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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:25:59 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:25:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041006222418.GC28578@tara.freenix.org>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<20041006222418.GC28578@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <B2EA2512-17E6-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 0:24, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> According to Sune Foldager:
>> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a
>> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and
>> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered
>> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.
>
> You cannot change the syntax highliting colours w/o manually editing 
> the
> bundle file.  I'm afraid I don't think it is a good thing.
>
> I like to have light background and to modify it, I have to find the
> hexcode for every colour I want to change and restart TM.
>
> It is a bit too cumbersome.

Nobody said it was a good idea! This is version 1.0. Wait, and it will 
come :-). I didn't mean that syntax highlight files should be in the 
menus (how could that work anyway?) just the toggling of highlight 
on/off etc.

-- 
Sune.
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From lucsky at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 22:34:00 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:34:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <813DA3A0-17E4-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
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On 07 oct. 2004, at 00:10, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:

> I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. I think I'll just 
> have to start a Preferences for TextMate petition :-D Who's with me?!

Me. :)

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com



From ryanpc at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 22:41:30 2004
From: ryanpc at gmail.com (Ryan Christensen)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:41:30 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <D14E2150-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<813DA3A0-17E4-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<D14E2150-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a8605ed804100615415d51f534@mail.gmail.com>

If it's feasible I'd be for a solution that would allow for control
both ways I'd be all for it.

And while I like the menus, if I could only have it one way, I'm
afraid I'd probably go for just the pref menu. (I've gotten just TOO
used to that hotkey combo ;)

Ryan

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:34:00 +0200, Luc Heinrich <lucsky at mac.com> wrote:
> On 07 oct. 2004, at 00:10, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:
> 
> > I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. I think I'll just
> > have to start a Preferences for TextMate petition :-D Who's with me?!
> 
> Me. :)
> 
> --
> Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com
> 
> 
> 
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From radley25 at spamcop.net  Wed Oct  6 22:44:02 2004
From: radley25 at spamcop.net (Rad Smith)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 17:44:02 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
Message-ID: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>

I'm not sure if I'm using it right, but the quote auto completion seems 
to slow me down, as most of the time you need to add something after a 
quote, but I'm required to use the right arrow key to move over a 
character to go past the quote, which is a rather long distance compared 
to the quote key.

Is there some trick I don't know about?


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct  6 22:44:29 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:44:29 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax highlighting confused by "/" with strings
Message-ID: <20041006224429.GA29125@tara.freenix.org>

The following two screenshots shows that TM's syntax engine gets confused
by / inside either heredocs or plain "" strings:

<http://www.keltia.net/download/slash1.pdf>
<http://www.keltia.net/download/slash2.pdf>

Cheers,

PS thanks to danp on #rubyonrails/freenode who found it.
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Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From clintecker at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 17:37:25 2004
From: clintecker at gmail.com (Clint Ecker)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:37:25 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <F899757F-17BD-11D9-925A-000D932DE9A2@iit.edu>
References: <F899757F-17BD-11D9-925A-000D932DE9A2@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <63a0f2c5041006103769e3153b@mail.gmail.com>

Nick,
  FTP Mount via the finder is read-only.  That would be kinda
pointless for this application wouldn't you think?

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 12:33:20 -0500, Nick Hristov <hrisnik at iit.edu> wrote:
> Why not just do an ftp mount through the finder?
> 
> Nick
> 
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:58 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:
> 
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
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> > On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Tomas Jogin saying:
> >>>> I hope ftp-support is added soon, not just being able to edit a
> >>>> remote file, but actually being able to associate a project with an
> >>>> ftp account.
> >>> Is there any reason why you don't use an actual FTP application for
> >>> this? Interarchy has some awesome features for this kind of work.
> >>> What I do right now is this: For each Project in TextMate, I have an
> >>> FTP Disk in Interarchy. When I open a Project, I mount the FTP Disk.
> >>> Whenever I change something in TextMate, it's being uploaded
> >>> automatically to the FTP server.
> >> The reason I don't want to use an actual FTP application is that I
> >> don't want to incessantly switch between the editor and the
> >> ftp-application.
> >
> > Using FTP disks, you don't have to. Of course, it's not quite as nice
> > as
> > absolute automation, but it's pretty close. And it could probably be
> > totally automated using AppleScript by having a script that opens both
> > the Project and the Interarchy FTP disk.
> >
> > Once both are open, you don't have to do anything in Interarchy
> > anymore.
> > It will pick up on any changes you make in TextMate (or any other
> > application) all by itself.
> >
> >
> >> The interarchy feature you mention sounds pretty nice, and in fact
> >> I'll download Interarchy right now, because it does sound sweet, but
> >> having it integrated with the editor would be even better. By the
> >> way, something like that isn't possible with Transmit (which I
> >> currently use), right?
> >
> > No, Transmit doesn't do anything like that as far as I know. FTP disks
> > are a unique feature of Interarchy.
> >
> > lucas
> >
> > - --
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From Kevin.Hunt at centropy.com  Wed Oct  6 19:01:57 2004
From: Kevin.Hunt at centropy.com (Kevin Hunt)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 12:01:57 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feedback and feature requests
Message-ID: <BD898F35.3F2%Kevin.Hunt@centropy.com>

Hey Allan & David,
First, thanks for filling a major void in OSX land.  I've been using
UltraEdit on Windows for several years until I bought a Powerbook in August.
I love everything about OSX except the lack of a solid (and reasonably
priced) text editor.  Thanks to ditto, I think I found one.

So far I'm pleased with TextMate, though I haven't been able to use it much.
The single biggest problem I've found so far is that it seems to load files
entirely into memory.  Try loading a 100MB enterprise server log in TextMate
and you'll see it die while consuming megabyte after megabyte of memory.
UltraEdit by contrast only loads what it needs into memory, making it very
very fast while viewing and manipulating large files.  UltraEdit handles
GB-size files without breaking a sweat.  I think the only complication
around that is line numbering becomes slightly more involved.

The second feature I'm looking for is a hex view/edit/search&replace.  Being
able to locate and fix an invalid UTF-8 character sequence inside an XML
file that is causing my application to bomb has proven to be a critical
feature.  Hex search&replace comes in handy when I need to remove all 0x00
characters from a file, for example.

Finally -- and this should be the easy one -- please add a "count" button to
the search window.  Often I want to count the occurrences of a certain error
message in a log, or see how many things I'm about to change by
search&replace.

That's it (for now ;)  Keep up the good work!

Thanks,
Kevin Hunt




From roberto at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct  6 22:18:40 2004
From: roberto at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:18:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041006221840.GB28578@tara.freenix.org>

According to Sune Foldager:
> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.

You cannot change the syntax highliting colours w/o manually editing the
bundle file.  I'm afraid I don't think it is a good thing.

I like to have light background and to modify it, I have to find the
hexcode for every colour I want to change and restart TM.

It is a bit too cumbersome.

Ollivier #63 :-)
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From lucsky at mac.com  Wed Oct  6 22:32:09 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:32:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate first impression (longish)
Message-ID: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

Greetings,

(this was cc-ed to feedback at macromates.com and contains screenshot 
attachments, which I hope the ML server won't strip out).

A little background first: I'm a long time BBEdit user, I think that 
it's a great product but I also think that it really starts to show its 
age. It really looks like the BareBones guys are trapped in the 
technology they used from day 1 and that if they'd want to get fresh, 
they'd have to restart from scratch, which they probably won't. That's 
why TextMate looks promising, and because it's built on top of modern 
technologies it has the potential to become really great.

However, this v1.0 looks like nothing more than a good draft to me. 
Yeah, shoot me, but that's David's hyping machine fault... :p

So here's a first batch of random comments about my first impressions. 
They are mostly cosmetic and usability related, since I didn't really 
used the product a lot yet, but I'm pretty sure I'll have some more as 
time goes by.

- Ok so, I'm one of those who was very surprised not to find a 
preferences dialog. When you think about configurability, you usually 
think about preferences. I just saw a post about this on the MacroMates 
blog, so let's just avoid this subject right now.

- Now let's go straight to the GUI itself. Here's a screenshot of a 
TextMate default window (with my own default background color):

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What I see here:
   + The color contrast between the gutter and the text area is pretty 
low so the distinction is hard.
   + The gutter can only have 4 digits line numbers (no, files larger 
than 9999 line are not that rare).
   + The (orange) wrap column line is almost invisible.
   + The lower status bar has loads of useless empty space.
   + The empty corner at the intersection of the scroll bar looks, well, 
empty.

Here's my (photoshop) take on this:

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   + A simple gray line to separate the gutter from the text area.
   + The gutter is a bit larger to allow 5 digits line numbers.
   + The outside limit of the wrap line is drawn in the same color than 
the text area but with a lower brightness (that's currently how BBEdit 
8 does it, it looks really nice imho).
   + The status bar is collapsed and put at the same level than the 
horizontal scroll bar, saving lots of empty space. The left indicator 
is the current line number, the right indicator is the column number 
(again, that's how BBEdit does it, but they do it for a good reason). 
Small icons could be added to make this more obvious.
   + No more weird empty corners.

Doesn't this look much tidy and cleaner like that ?

Let's move on to the project window. Here's how a basic project 
currently looks in TextMate:

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What we have here:
   + Weird looking tabs. They're not even tabs actually, and they really 
look like they're quick hacks to me.
   + Weirdly sized icons in the drawer list.
   + (same comments than above for the text window itself).

Here's my take on this:

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   + Tabs looking like tabs (actually stolen from NetNewsWire and 
resized a bit).
   + Smaller icons in the drawer list allowing for a more balanced look 
(quite impressive to see what a couple more pixel space can do uh ?).
   + Folder name is bold.
   + (same modifications than above to the text window).

Let's move on to features:

- Find and replace feature:
   + There should be a "Use selection for replace" menu shortcut.
   + There should be a "Replace" menu shortcut.
   + There should be a "Replace all" menu shortcut.
   + There should be a "Replace and find next" menu shortcut.
All these would allow to perform basic search & replace operations 
straight from the keyboard, *without* having to open the find panel at 
all.

- I guess that you guys already know that and are already preparing 
something to fix this problem, but I'll say it anyway: having to 
manually go and edit plist files from the guts of the app to have some 
decent colors (relax, I'm kidding, I just don't like thos ugly black 
backgrounds) is ridiculous. Tell me you're working on something before 
I start my own Cocoa 'tmbundle' editor.

- Something which I found pretty weird: each tmbundle defines its very 
own color settings right ? So if I want to have the same background 
color for *all* languages I have to change *all* tmbundle syntax files, 
right ? Wouldn't it be much simpler to have "default" settings which 
each tmbundle would inherit from and could then override or not ? So 
just like CSS elements can inherit from their parents, a syntax file 
could either inherit attributes from the defaults, or override with its 
own values. That would greatly simplify the whole coloring settings I 
think. Thoughts ?

- Another pretty obvious one: there is no "function popup", or any 
other way to quickly navigate through the list of functions or methods 
of a code file, or the structure of a markup file.

- Snippets are great, but the snippet menu is already pretty crowded. I 
think that allowing snippets to be grouped in families (based on the 
tmbundle they're coming from, to begin with) or categories or whatever, 
could help minimize the clutter. Ditto for macros and commands.

- How about the ability to have the snippets, macros and commands in a 
palette ?

- How about giving some basic abilities to a command to specify when it 
is actually applicable ? A command menu item (or palette entry ;)) 
could then be disabled if it is not. For example, the "Compile" command 
does not make sense for a '.html' file, or the "Reload in Safari" 
command does not really make sense for a '.rb' file.

- Being able to write commands in something else than shell scripts 
could be cool. Like, being able to directly write applescript instead 
of having to go through 'osascript' commands.

- Hey, you seem to have pretty good text editing widget (that 
OakTextView thingy), so why not also use it for command editing ? Heck, 
why not even also use it for colored regexp editing in the find panel ?

- Detail: it seems like a lots of ATSUI related debug messages are 
still being sent to the console.

- Snippets, macros and commands are good ways to automate a lot of 
stuff, but are there any plans to allow TextMate plugins, for those 
tasks which would require an elaborate GUI ?

Oh, and one final comment: I *R*E*A*L*L*Y* *H*A*T*E* the icon. It's 
butt ugly. Really. Heck, you have John 'Magic' Marstall on the mailing 
list, I'm pretty sure he could do something about this :))

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com

From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:45:16 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:45:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <a8605ed804100615415d51f534@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<813DA3A0-17E4-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<D14E2150-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<a8605ed804100615415d51f534@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64CFF780-17E9-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 0:41, Ryan Christensen wrote:

> If it's feasible I'd be for a solution that would allow for control
> both ways I'd be all for it.
>
> And while I like the menus, if I could only have it one way, I'm
> afraid I'd probably go for just the pref menu. (I've gotten just TOO
> used to that hotkey combo ;)

But then instead of pressing a single hotkey to change an option, you 
need to press the prefs hotkey, use the mouse to alter the option, 
click ok, use it.. maybe repeat again to toggle it off if it was only 
for a quick thing.  Even if you don't remember the hotkey for the item, 
picking it from the menu would mostly be quicker.  I think only having 
a prefs window will be annoying for "power" users in the long run. 
Doing both might work...

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 22:46:16 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:46:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window
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Message-ID: <416475B8.7060505@greenskin.net>

I would put the options a user might regularly change in the menus, and 
all options in the preferences. I would for example not put the display 
font in the menus, because that's something you set up once and be done 
with it.

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 22:46:35 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:46:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
In-Reply-To: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>
References: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>
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On 7/10-2004, at 0:44, Rad Smith wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm using it right, but the quote auto completion 
> seems to slow me down, as most of the time you need to add something 
> after a quote, but I'm required to use the right arrow key to move 
> over a character to go past the quote, which is a rather long distance 
> compared to the quote key.

Actually, you can just type another quote... after an auto-insertion, 
TextMate will let you use another quote to go on, overwriting (or 
skipping, the result is the same) the one automatically inserted. So in 
short you can type like it didn't complete.

-- 
Sune.
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From joost at greenskin.net  Wed Oct  6 22:48:55 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:48:55 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
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References: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>
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Rad Smith wrote:

> I'm not sure if I'm using it right, but the quote auto completion seems 
> to slow me down, as most of the time you need to add something after a 
> quote, but I'm required to use the right arrow key to move over a 
> character to go past the quote, which is a rather long distance compared 
> to the quote key.
> 
> Is there some trick I don't know about?

I had the same thing, but then with the () signs. Just press the " when 
you're done, like typing normally :) Put it in the tip of the day if 
it's not there already! :P

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct  6 22:50:44 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 06 Oct 2004 23:50:44 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>

Sune Foldager wrote:

> That's good :-). Actually, the preferences menu is missing on purpose. 

Can I place a vote for following Mac OS UI convention where possible?

I fully applaud the philosophy behind no prefs window, but as a user I 
spent my first few minutes using TextMate frustratedly hunting for the 
prefs.

App menu > Preferences is a convention that 99% of users will be 
familiar with. 99% is a lot of people to annoy, no matter how good your 
underlying philosophy.

(imho!)

drew.


From john at firewheeldesign.com  Wed Oct  6 22:55:55 2004
From: john at firewheeldesign.com (John Marstall)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:55:55 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate first impression (longish)
In-Reply-To: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <E17AEE40-17EA-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>

I've been found out! (Hi, Luc!)

www.firewheeldesign.com if you guys want to see what the pros can come  
up with... ;)

John

> Oh, and one final comment: I *R*E*A*L*L*Y* *H*A*T*E* the icon. It's  
> butt ugly. Really. Heck, you have John 'Magic' Marstall on the mailing  
> list, I'm pretty sure he could do something about this :))
>
> --  
> Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com -  
> http://www.honk- 
> honk.com_______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From james at spahr.org  Wed Oct  6 22:58:38 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:58:38 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Highlighting regex question
Message-ID: <42B0C657-17EB-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>


I'm a bit confused by this from the help book:

A regular expression which is used to identify the portion of text to 
be styled. Example: "\\<(true|false)\\>".

How is this different from:  "(true|false)"

in other words what are the < and > doing in the regex?

James.



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct  6 23:02:49 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:02:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Highlighting regex question
In-Reply-To: <42B0C657-17EB-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
References: <42B0C657-17EB-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
Message-ID: <20041006230249.GA29353@tara.freenix.org>

According to James Spahr:
> A regular expression which is used to identify the portion of text to 
> be styled. Example: "\\<(true|false)\\>".
> 
> How is this different from:  "(true|false)"
> 
> in other words what are the < and > doing in the regex?

Word boundaries I'd say, that way you highlight 

foo = true 

but not

bar = sad_but_true
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From maousse at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 23:05:13 2004
From: maousse at gmail.com (Arnaud Mamias)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:05:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <1233397c04100616053c39dec3@mail.gmail.com>

Drew McLellan wrote:
> Sune Foldager wrote:
> 
> > That's good :-). Actually, the preferences menu is missing on purpose.
> 
> Can I place a vote for following Mac OS UI convention where possible?

I vote for that too.

Arnaud.


From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 23:11:19 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:11:19 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <999AD4BA-17E4-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<9941C6C8-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<355A30EA-17E2-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<999AD4BA-17E4-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <08188250-17ED-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

No. this isn't a BBEdit feature. Copying and pasting text from any 
application normally retains its "shape". Try pasting from a web 
browser to textedit. It retains the shape. Try pasting the same text 
(html is best as it has a lot of tabs) into TextMate, it just gets 
pasted as one big chunk! Disappointing.

-Noel


On Oct 6, 2004, at 6:10 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> Hmm.. maybe this is a feature in BBEdit where it cleans up the pasted 
> result? Try this from a shell to see what format the text on the 
> clipboard really has:
> pbpaste
>
> Are there tabs and linebreaks there?

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:15:25 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:15:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate first impression (longish)
In-Reply-To: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9AF360F0-17ED-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Some comments on behalf of myself and Allan who is quite burried in 
support mails ;-).

On 7/10-2004, at 0:32, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> However, this v1.0 looks like nothing more than a good draft to me.
> Yeah, shoot me, but that's David's hyping machine fault... :p

Isn't that a little hard? :-). I mean, I think that BBEdit any version 
looks like a draft ... ;-). At any rate, of course there will be 
substatial improvements in some areas in the future.

> - Now let's go straight to the GUI itself. Here's a screenshot of a
> TextMate default window (with my own default background color):
<snip>
> Here's my (photoshop) take on this:

Very nice actually, and Allan thinks so too. This will certainly be 
taken into serious consideration for updates to the visuals :-). Great 
job. Some details:

>    + A simple gray line to separate the gutter from the text area.
Yes that one is really needed, I agree :-).

>    + The gutter is a bit larger to allow 5 digits line numbers.
I think in the future it will be dynamic according to the length of the 
file.

>    + The outside limit of the wrap line is drawn in the same color than
> the text area but with a lower brightness (that's currently how BBEdit
> 8 does it, it looks really nice imho).
Yeah... We thought about making the wrap line a complement of the 
background color or something, but I like your idea better :-).

> Doesn't this look much tidy and cleaner like that ?

Indeed, it is a nice improvement. A seperate status bar could still be 
desirable in the future if more information makes its way into it 
though.

> Let's move on to the project window. Here's how a basic project
> currently looks in TextMate:
<snip>
> Here's my take on this:

Again, it looks quite nice I think :-). I don't personally have a 
problem with the "tabs" not really being tabs.. it's just a matter of 
convenience and I doubt people find them hard to use now... I don't 
think they look bad, maybe just a bit plain. Yours look good also 
though, and will be considered :-). Details:

>    + Smaller icons in the drawer list allowing for a more balanced look
> (quite impressive to see what a couple more pixel space can do uh ?).
Yeah, that does make it a bit less cluttered.

> - Find and replace feature:
>    + There should be a "Use selection for replace" menu shortcut.
>    + There should be a "Replace" menu shortcut.
>    + There should be a "Replace all" menu shortcut.
>    + There should be a "Replace and find next" menu shortcut.
> All these would allow to perform basic search & replace operations
> straight from the keyboard, *without* having to open the find panel at
> all.
>
> - I guess that you guys already know that and are already preparing
> something to fix this problem, but I'll say it anyway: having to
> manually go and edit plist files [...] is ridiculous.

Again, isn't that a little hard? After all, you don't change those 
settings every time you edit something, and it's not that hard. But 
yes, there IS a built-in editor for those planned, as well as a general 
revision to some aspects of the Syntax Highlight system.

> - Something which I found pretty weird: each tmbundle defines its very
> own color settings right ? [...] a syntax file
> could either inherit attributes from the defaults, or override with its
> own values. That would greatly simplify the whole coloring settings I
> think. Thoughts ?

Yes, this is actually already part of the plans for the next-generation 
syntax highlight system: More inheritance, more nesting possibilities, 
global and local repositories for patterns used in several places, and 
also for colors etc. The exact details have yet to be worked out 
though, but thanks a lot for your input on this :-).

> - Another pretty obvious one: there is no "function popup", or any
> other way to quickly navigate through the list of functions or methods
> of a code file, or the structure of a markup file.

Currently, there are hardly any "hardcoded" features in TextMate 
pertaining to different languages etc.. but I think this could be 
implemented in a general way, and it is not a bad idea at all :-).

> - Snippets are great, but the snippet menu is already pretty crowded. I
> think that allowing snippets to be grouped in families (based on the
> tmbundle they're coming from, to begin with) or categories or whatever,
> could help minimize the clutter. Ditto for macros and commands.

Yes, I agree again :-).

> - How about the ability to have the snippets, macros and commands in a
> palette ?

I don't know how Allan feels about this, but I don't have anything 
against it.. not sure I would ever use it though.

> - How about giving some basic abilities to a command to specify when it
> is actually applicable ? A command menu item (or palette entry ;))
> could then be disabled if it is not. For example, the "Compile" command
> does not make sense for a '.html' file, or the "Reload in Safari"
> command does not really make sense for a '.rb' file.

Yes, something like that would be nice. Also, there will be more things 
that will be syntax-aware in the next generation highlight, such as 
smart type settings, indentation etc.

> - Being able to write commands in something else than shell scripts
> could be cool. Like, being able to directly write applescript instead
> of having to go through 'osascript' commands.

I don't know if this is planned or not... My guess is, not for the 
immediate next version.

> - Hey, you seem to have pretty good text editing widget (that
> OakTextView thingy), so why not also use it for command editing ? Heck,
> why not even also use it for colored regexp editing in the find panel ?

I think (from what Allan tells me) that there are some practical 
problems with this approach that need to be solved. It's already used 
in one place, where it has some minor resizing-issues. But it may come 
around also :-).

> - Detail: it seems like a lots of ATSUI related debug messages are
> still being sent to the console.

Yes, this is a slip..  :-). It will be corrected in the next release, 
thanks :-).

> - Snippets, macros and commands are good ways to automate a lot of
> stuff, but are there any plans to allow TextMate plugins, for those
> tasks which would require an elaborate GUI ?

Maybe, but I don't think in the immediate next version or anything like 
that... plugins could also be used for many other things such as tricky 
language-aware stuff like checking if variables are defined etc.

> Oh, and one final comment: I *R*E*A*L*L*Y* *H*A*T*E* the icon. It's
> butt ugly. Really. Heck, you have John 'Magic' Marstall on the mailing
> list, I'm pretty sure he could do something about this :))

Yes, but this icon is what the budget allowed MacroMates to come up 
with... I don't think it's ugly btw, but maybe a little na?ve.... I 
don't know, I guess there are different opinions :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:18:39 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:18:39 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
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On 7/10-2004, at 0:50, Drew McLellan wrote:

> Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> That's good :-). Actually, the preferences menu is missing on purpose.
>
> Can I place a vote for following Mac OS UI convention where possible?
> I fully applaud the philosophy behind no prefs window, but as a user I 
> spent my first few minutes using TextMate frustratedly hunting for the 
> prefs.

Why? Did you need to change some setting you couldn't find anywhere? 
Why is looking through the relevant menu (view for view-related, 
behavior for most edit-related etc.) so big a problem?  I don't see 
that it is.   IMHO of course.

> App menu > Preferences is a convention that 99% of users will be 
> familiar with. 99% is a lot of people to annoy, no matter how good 
> your underlying philosophy.

So you think that people will actually be _annoyed_ by this?...  I 
should hope it takes more to annoy people... the advantage of this is 
that there are hot keys for most things that you then can change 
quickly, without venturing into a prefs window.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:28:11 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:28:11 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <08188250-17ED-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
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On 7/10-2004, at 1:11, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> No. this isn't a BBEdit feature. Copying and pasting text from any 
> application normally retains its "shape". Try pasting from a web 
> browser to textedit. It retains the shape. Try pasting the same text 
> (html is best as it has a lot of tabs) into TextMate, it just gets 
> pasted as one big chunk! Disappointing.

Yes, disappointing, but maybe we should be a bit more constructive here 
:-). Can you give a concrete example we can try, because I don't think 
we are quite sure what is going on.. it seems to work fine here.  Maybe 
an URL and what you exactly do?

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
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From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Wed Oct  6 23:31:41 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 16:31:41 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041006221840.GB28578@tara.freenix.org>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
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	<20041006221840.GB28578@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <E03B6A0F-17EF-11D9-B793-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>

Preference menu item please.

Sincerely,

Eric Curtis



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct  6 23:32:21 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:32:21 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>

Sune Foldager wrote:

>> Can I place a vote for following Mac OS UI convention where possible?
>> I fully applaud the philosophy behind no prefs window, but as a user I 
>> spent my first few minutes using TextMate frustratedly hunting for the 
>> prefs.
> 
> Why? Did you need to change some setting you couldn't find anywhere? Why 
> is looking through the relevant menu (view for view-related, behavior 
> for most edit-related etc.) so big a problem?  I don't see that it is.   
> IMHO of course.

I needed to change a setting. App menu > Preferences was the *first* 
place I looked, because the convention is that that's where settings are 
kept. I didn't look through the menus - why would I? That's not where 
you set preferences.

>> App menu > Preferences is a convention that 99% of users will be 
>> familiar with. 99% is a lot of people to annoy, no matter how good 
>> your underlying philosophy.
> 
> So you think that people will actually be _annoyed_ by this?...  I 
> should hope it takes more to annoy people... the advantage of this is 
> that there are hot keys for most things that you then can change 
> quickly, without venturing into a prefs window.

Yes, it annoyed me. It doesn't take much to knock a user off his stride.

It's a longish read, but a valuable one:
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/uibook/fog0000000249.html

An important extract:

"So that's what days were like. A bunch of tiny frustrations, and a 
bunch of tiny successes. But they added up. Even something which seems 
like a tiny, inconsequential frustration affects your mood. Your 
emotions don't seem to care about the magnitude of the event, only the 
quality."

drew.


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:32:46 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:32:46 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <E03B6A0F-17EF-11D9-B793-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<20041006221840.GB28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<E03B6A0F-17EF-11D9-B793-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <079327DE-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 1:31, Eric Curtis wrote:

> Preference menu item please.
> Sincerely,
> Eric Curtis

Good, argumentative reasons for it, please! :-).

-- 
Sune.
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From thebrier at gmail.com  Wed Oct  6 23:34:35 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:34:35 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <637C2740-17EF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
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	<355A30EA-17E2-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<999AD4BA-17E4-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<08188250-17ED-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<637C2740-17EF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <b44dd66604100616345f81bacb@mail.gmail.com>

I'm seeing something like this, too -- a paste into TextMate loses all
newlines and winds up as one long line.  However, I think I'm only
noticing it when I paste from Firefox.

So, here's a repeatable example:

    * Open Firefox to http://instiki.org/
    * Click "Edit Page" at the bottom.
    * Select all in the editable textarea.
    * Paste into a TextMate window

... you should see that all the newlines have disappeared.

I haven't been able to make this paste problem happen yet copying from
anything except Firefox.

Interestingly, if you save the TextMate buffer to a file (leaving it
as is, with the newlines gone), then close the window and re-open it
in TextMate ... the newlines have been preserved in the underlying
file and now show up.

I hope that helps, I assume the original poster is seeing something
along these lines and that this is not a separate but related issue.


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:35:01 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:35:01 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 1:32, Drew McLellan wrote:
> I needed to change a setting. App menu > Preferences was the *first* 
> place I looked, because the convention is that that's where settings 
> are kept. I didn't look through the menus - why would I? That's not 
> where you set preferences.

What is preferences? Is overwrite mode? Is column-mode for selection? I 
think some people here are taking a much too traditional approach to 
it. Right now, I don't see any reason for having that window, except to 
make things slower. You only make the mistake of looking for the prefs 
window ONCE. You can now quicker change settings with hotkeys etc. MANY 
times in the future.

> Yes, it annoyed me. It doesn't take much to knock a user off his 
> stride.

I'm sorry to hear that.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct  6 23:39:58 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 00:39:58 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate first impression (longish)
In-Reply-To: <9AF360F0-17ED-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<9AF360F0-17ED-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <4164824E.3070100@allinthehead.com>

Sune Foldager wrote:

>> Oh, and one final comment: I *R*E*A*L*L*Y* *H*A*T*E* the icon. It's
>> butt ugly. Really. Heck, you have John 'Magic' Marstall on the mailing
>> list, I'm pretty sure he could do something about this :))
> 
> Yes, but this icon is what the budget allowed MacroMates to come up 
> with... I don't think it's ugly btw, but maybe a little na?ve.... I 
> don't know, I guess there are different opinions :-).

I would gladly donate to a specific "new icon" fund.

I keep my dock quite small, and the icon just looks like a nasty brown blur.

drew.


From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct  6 23:41:44 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:41:44 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <b44dd66604100616345f81bacb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<9941C6C8-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<355A30EA-17E2-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<999AD4BA-17E4-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<08188250-17ED-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<637C2740-17EF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<b44dd66604100616345f81bacb@mail.gmail.com>
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same sort of thing, except it happens when going from any non-cocoa 
program to textmate. not just firefox.

-Noel

On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:34 PM, Chris Brierley wrote:

> I'm seeing something like this, too -- a paste into TextMate loses all
> newlines and winds up as one long line.  However, I think I'm only
> noticing it when I paste from Firefox.
>
> So, here's a repeatable example:
>
>     * Open Firefox to http://instiki.org/
>     * Click "Edit Page" at the bottom.
>     * Select all in the editable textarea.
>     * Paste into a TextMate window
>
> ... you should see that all the newlines have disappeared.
>
> I haven't been able to make this paste problem happen yet copying from
> anything except Firefox.
>
> Interestingly, if you save the TextMate buffer to a file (leaving it
> as is, with the newlines gone), then close the window and re-open it
> in TextMate ... the newlines have been preserved in the underlying
> file and now show up.
>
> I hope that helps, I assume the original poster is seeing something
> along these lines and that this is not a separate but related issue.

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:43:07 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:43:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <47EE0FEB-17F1-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<9941C6C8-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<355A30EA-17E2-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<999AD4BA-17E4-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<08188250-17ED-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
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Message-ID: <7961C102-17F1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 1:41, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> same sort of thing, except it happens when going from any non-cocoa 
> program to textmate. not just firefox.

My guess is that it is related to their use of \r instead of \n for 
line-endings.. I am having it verified, hang on! :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:47:51 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:47:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
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References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
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Alright, we just tested this bug. The problem is that non-Cocoa 
programs (apparently.. maybe others also) use the old-style \r for line 
endings, instead of the new-style (and posix-style) \n.

This bug will be fixed ASAP, and a version 1.0.1 will be released :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From blalor at bravo5.org  Wed Oct  6 23:49:45 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:49:45 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] XHTML paste
In-Reply-To: <b44dd66604100616345f81bacb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<317D0669-17CB-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<477AAE7D-17CC-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<9941C6C8-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Chris Brierley wrote:

> Interestingly, if you save the TextMate buffer to a file (leaving it
> as is, with the newlines gone), then close the window and re-open it
> in TextMate ... the newlines have been preserved in the underlying
> file and now show up.

Sounds like a line-ending encoding issue (cr vs. lf vs. crlf)...

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From david at loudthinking.com  Wed Oct  6 23:52:24 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:52:24 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Projected Timeline?
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd004100615143f0114b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d01c2dd004100615143f0114b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C54C784A-17F2-11D9-8FFD-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> I'd like to know what features will be up and coming
> so I can determine if it will fit my needs and wants.

Currently the only two major features we've committed to deliver are:

* Editing over Secure FTP (1.1)
* Integrate with CVS/Subversion (1.2)

There will of course be many, many, many more. But we need to take in 
all the feedback that are currently flowing in. And determine exactly 
in which order to deal with things.

That will take some time.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From scott at elitists.net  Wed Oct  6 23:57:32 2004
From: scott at elitists.net (Scott Barron)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:57:32 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
In-Reply-To: <93658BFC-17E9-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>
	<93658BFC-17E9-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041006235732.GG12575@elitists.net>

On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:46:35AM +0200, Sune Foldager wrote:
> On 7/10-2004, at 0:44, Rad Smith wrote:
> 
> >I'm not sure if I'm using it right, but the quote auto completion 
> >seems to slow me down, as most of the time you need to add something 
> >after a quote, but I'm required to use the right arrow key to move 
> >over a character to go past the quote, which is a rather long distance 
> >compared to the quote key.
> 
> Actually, you can just type another quote... after an auto-insertion, 
> TextMate will let you use another quote to go on, overwriting (or 
> skipping, the result is the same) the one automatically inserted. So in 
> short you can type like it didn't complete.

This doesn't work for all situations, though.  For example, I'm typing
in a comment or perhaps a string literal and I enter a word like "don't"
or any other contraction ... it closes that quote, causing extra steps
to get rid of that extra quote.  With things like [](){} etc, this isn't
really a problem, but with the quotes it is.

I think that the quotes could either be made smarter, eg don't insert
unless the preceeding/following character is maybe whitespace or [](),
and such.  Regex configurable would be cool.  Or the ability to just
turn it off, at least for quotes, barring making it smarter.

I have more goods/bads that I'll assemble after a long day of coding in
TextMate, but in the end it's pretty sexy.

-Scott


From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct  6 23:58:44 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:58:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
In-Reply-To: <20041006235732.GG12575@elitists.net>
References: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>
	<93658BFC-17E9-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<20041006235732.GG12575@elitists.net>
Message-ID: <A7ACCC3D-17F3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 1:57, Scott Barron wrote:

> On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 12:46:35AM +0200, Sune Foldager wrote:
>> Actually, you can just type another quote... after an auto-insertion,
>> TextMate will let you use another quote to go on, overwriting (or
>> skipping, the result is the same) the one automatically inserted. So 
>> in
>> short you can type like it didn't complete.
>
> This doesn't work for all situations, though.  For example, I'm typing
> in a comment or perhaps a string literal and I enter a word like 
> "don't"
> or any other contraction ... it closes that quote, causing extra steps
> to get rid of that extra quote.  With things like [](){} etc, this 
> isn't
> really a problem, but with the quotes it is.

Yeah, I must admit that I myself have had that problem...

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Thu Oct  7 00:22:10 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:22:10 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <079327DE-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <079327DE-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <EE12FCDB-17F6-11D9-B793-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>

> > Preference menu item please.
> > Sincerely,
> > Eric Curtis
>
> Good, argumentative reasons for it, please! :-).

Well I did not want to beat a dead horse and I have to concur with the 
aforementioned arguments about conformity to standard mac OS X 
guidelines. I also agree with the fellow that mentioned the article 
about the little annoyances adding up.

When I first launched TM I immediately went to look for the 
preferences, no kidding, because that really like looking under the 
hood right away.

Sincerley,

Eric Curtis



From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 00:26:24 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:26:24 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <85089F48-17F7-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>> I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate 
>> still has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab 
>> width, etc., but instead of keeping them all together in one place 
>> where they're easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the 
>> other menus. How is that easy and straight forward?
>
> I don't agree that they are spread out and hidden... well, they are 
> spread out but they arein the menus where they logically belong. For 
> example, font setting is in the view menu, stuff that determines how 
> the editor reacts to your input is in the behaviour menu, and stuff 
> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.

What would be wrong with both? In many case users will want to change a 
number of settings in a short time period. Having all settings in a 
single convenient location would suit that activity very well. Other 
user will want to change things as they go, so the current behavior 
will work for them. What's wrong with trying to support multiple usage 
styles?

Having preferences collected also provides the user with a greta 
resource and reference for what is customizable and may even expose 
capabilities of the application they had not yet discovered. Since the 
code is already written to handle the changing of settings - would it 
really be that difficult to whip up a nib and connect the actions?




From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Thu Oct  7 00:28:15 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:28:15 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>


Op 7-okt-04 om 00:04 heeft Sune Foldager het volgende geschreven:

> On 6/10-2004, at 23:55, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:
>>
>> I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate 
>> still has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab 
>> width, etc., but instead of keeping them all together in one place 
>> where they're easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the 
>> other menus. How is that easy and straight forward?
>
> I don't agree that they are spread out and hidden... well, they are 
> spread out but they arein the menus where they logically belong. For 
> example, font setting is in the view menu, stuff that determines how 
> the editor reacts to your input is in the behaviour menu, and stuff 
> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.
>

Well, I can't speak for other people, but one of the first things I 
wanted to do when I started TextMate, was change fore and background 
color of a normal text window (to white on black).
The first thing I did was go to the Applications menu, to check if 
there was a Preferences dialog.. Now, it wasn't hard to find it in the 
View menu I wondered two things when doing this, would it change color 
for just one window, or for all windows in the applications. I also 
wondered if it would save state. It wasn't really a big problem, but in 
my personal case, a Preferences window would have been more 
natural/obvious. It didn't really annoy me, but it would just be 
smoother.

It's good that you try to minimize the number of preferences, but I 
would add a Preferences window, and put in any option that works on the 
entire application and that saves state accross application startups. 
(font, color,..). I mean, it's not because that you don't call it a 
preference, that it isn't one. Maybe keep the options in the other menu 
bars, but make it only work on the current window. 



From jholland88 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 00:59:57 2004
From: jholland88 at comcast.net (Jeff Holland)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:59:57 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Two small requests
Message-ID: <35038700-17FC-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>

Sune Foldager wrote:

> UltraEdit has an option for permanently highlighting the current line, 
> I don't know if that's the same as in BBEdit

Yes, it's the same thing.

> (maybe just a different background color in the gutter, so it doesn't 
> have to take up more space).

I'm open to alternatives, and that sounds like a decent one to me.

Kind Regards,
-jeff



From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Thu Oct  7 01:06:23 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:06:23 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: ftp-support
In-Reply-To: <41646DC7.1030707@greenskin.net>
References: <r02010400-1035-036B0F6C17B911D98696000A95728AA6@10.0.1.220>	<D102F99D-17BD-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<8c05e657041006105017e44689@mail.gmail.com>	<A847B160-17C2-11D9-ADC9-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>	<A60CA162-17C7-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41644211.8040501@greenskin.net>
	<DAD90415-17DF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41646DC7.1030707@greenskin.net>
Message-ID: <1B0115C6-17FD-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

On 07/10/2004, at 9:12 AM, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:

> Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> As in TM costs 40 bucks or Interarchy does?  If the former, I don't 
>> really understand your argument. If the latter, I guess Interachy is 
>> too expansive... I don't remember, it's been a long time since I used 
>> it.
>
> The latter, ofcourse :)
>
> Someone just needs to build a decent open source FTP disk mounter for 
> OSX :)

Maybe... I know it's good to get stuff for free, but hey, like others 
said, there can be a reason for valuing a paid client, for its richness 
of features...

Having said that, FTPeel <http://freshsqueeze.com/products/ftpeel/> has 
its MagicMirror feature, and costs $19... and what about setting up a 
watch folder by attaching an AppleScript and invoking the CLI FTP 
support, or one of the freeware scriptable FTP clients, like Cyberduck 
<http://icu.unizh.ch/~dkocher/cyberduck/>...?


marc



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 01:19:33 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:19:33 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <EE12FCDB-17F6-11D9-B793-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <079327DE-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<EE12FCDB-17F6-11D9-B793-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <F24E8DAC-17FE-11D9-803C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Eric Curtis wrote:

>> > Preference menu item please.
>> > Sincerely,
>> > Eric Curtis
>>
>> Good, argumentative reasons for it, please! :-).
>
> Well I did not want to beat a dead horse and I have to concur with the 
> aforementioned arguments about conformity to standard mac OS X 
> guidelines. I also agree with the fellow that mentioned the article 
> about the little annoyances adding up.
>
> When I first launched TM I immediately went to look for the 
> preferences, no kidding, because that really like looking under the 
> hood right away.

I concur completely



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 01:21:01 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:21:01 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
In-Reply-To: <20041006235732.GG12575@elitists.net>
References: <41647532.7040903@spamcop.net>
	<93658BFC-17E9-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<20041006235732.GG12575@elitists.net>
Message-ID: <265B08EE-17FF-11D9-803C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 1:57 PM, Scott Barron wrote:

> I think that the quotes could either be made smarter, eg don't insert
> unless the preceeding/following character is maybe whitespace or [](),
> and such.  Regex configurable would be cool.  Or the ability to just
> turn it off, at least for quotes, barring making it smarter.

I agree



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 01:22:05 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 15:22:05 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Two small requests
In-Reply-To: <35038700-17FC-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>
References: <35038700-17FC-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <4CBB7E29-17FF-11D9-803C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Holland wrote:

> Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> UltraEdit has an option for permanently highlighting the current 
>> line, I don't know if that's the same as in BBEdit
>
> Yes, it's the same thing.

I like this feature as well. It makes it easier to orient oneself in 
large blocks of markup.



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 01:24:16 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 03:24:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Two small requests
In-Reply-To: <4CBB7E29-17FF-11D9-803C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <35038700-17FC-11D9-AEF1-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>
	<4CBB7E29-17FF-11D9-803C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <9ACE337E-17FF-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 3:22, timothy martens wrote:
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:59 PM, Jeff Holland wrote:
>> Sune Foldager wrote:
>>> UltraEdit has an option for permanently highlighting the current 
>>> line, I don't know if that's the same as in BBEdit
>> Yes, it's the same thing.
> I like this feature as well. It makes it easier to orient oneself in 
> large blocks of markup.

Since it's probably somewhat minor (implementation-vise), it's now 
added to an internal to-do for upcomming bug-fix/minor releases (1.0.1 
and so on).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 01:25:32 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:25:32 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8536B84-17FF-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 07/10/2004, at 2:47 AM, Jason Wong wrote:

> For show web preview, allow specification of a url, such that we can 
> see dynamic content.

There's a "Refresh Safari" command (apple script) for that... it just 
refreshes the current front Safari window, assigned to Cmd-R, which has 
worked great for me over the past week or so -- can't live without it 
:)

I think it's planned in the future that the preview window might listen 
to a URL.


Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 01:26:34 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:34 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6805D088-17B7-11D9-AD94-000393DB8372@hotmail.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006095150ee1fa2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED37E66B-17FF-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 07/10/2004, at 2:51 AM, jheyer wrote:

> Is there an easier way to edit the syntax coloring than opening up the
> package contents and editing files by hand?

So far, that's all you've got, but it's pretty easy...  Or just use the 
defaults I spent so long on :P

Justin



From scott at elitists.net  Thu Oct  7 01:27:35 2004
From: scott at elitists.net (Scott Barron)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:27:35 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] My TextMate experiences
Message-ID: <20041007012735.GH12575@elitists.net>

Looks like things are calming down a little so I thought I'd chime in
with my TM experiences.  I used it all day today for hacking on a Rails
app and here are my thoughts.  I've avoided putting in nits that I've
seen addressed already, though it's possible I've missed seeing some,
please forgive me if there are duplicates :)  My editing background is
that I'm a hardcore vim user and I quite dislike using the mouse while
editing.

Issues
 * Renaming a group is kind of a pain, can it default to being ready to
   edit when you click to make a new group?

 * A language nitpick, the message on the group info window ... "What
   did you expect to find here? ..."  I dunno, seems a little
   unfriendly?

 * There seem to be some pretty annoying issues with the whole tree in
   the drawer collapsing without my telling it to do so.  For example,
   have a group with folders in it, do the info on that folder to change
   the regex, then when the changes get applied *poof* the tree
   collapses.  It has also collapsed at random times when I've switched
   back to the desktop TM was on, though I cannot consistently reproduce
   this, it just happens whenever.

 * Any way to undo more than one character at a time?  This is arduous,
   though it may be difficult to implement without modes (ala vim).

 * Dragging things around in the tree seems to be more painful than it
   should.  I'm not sure why, but I was trying to drag a folder such
   that it would be below (but not nested in) another folder and I
   couldn't get it to go.  I became frustrated and deleted the reference
   and re-added the folder.  Anybody else experience this, or is it just
   me?

Feature Requests
  * Completions drawn from all open files, please?

  * Auto un-dent things like (in Ruby) else, end, closing braces, etc?

The major issue for me is the collapsing of the tree that is going on.
Other than that this thing is pretty sexy.  I enjoy the organization it
provides me and I look forward to the next release after this flood of
feedback you have recieved from the users.  I'm confident that it will
be quite nice.

Thanks
-Scott


From mnothrop at elaunceston.com  Thu Oct  7 01:43:06 2004
From: mnothrop at elaunceston.com (marc)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:43:06 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Message-ID: <3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>

All the way at the bottom...!

On 07/10/2004, at 11:28 AM, Jan Sabbe wrote:

> Op 7-okt-04 om 00:04 heeft Sune Foldager het volgende geschreven:
>
>> On 6/10-2004, at 23:55, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't understand your argument about the Preferences. TextMate 
>>> still has a lot of preferences, such as font, antialiasing, tab 
>>> width, etc., but instead of keeping them all together in one place 
>>> where they're easy to find they are spread out and hidden among the 
>>> other menus. How is that easy and straight forward?
>>
>> I don't agree that they are spread out and hidden... well, they are 
>> spread out but they arein the menus where they logically belong. For 
>> example, font setting is in the view menu, stuff that determines how 
>> the editor reacts to your input is in the behaviour menu, and stuff 
>> relating to syntax is also in the view menu etc. Putting it all in a 
>> prefs window is not much better: It takes longer time to change, and 
>> many people will check the menus first to see if it is not considered 
>> "deep" enough to end up in the prefs, I think.
>
> Well, I can't speak for other people, but one of the first things I 
> wanted to do when I started TextMate, was change fore and background 
> color of a normal text window (to white on black).
> The first thing I did was go to the Applications menu, to check if 
> there was a Preferences dialog..

Well, yes, the 1st thing I did was look for the preferences, but it 
only took a minute to realise that the settings were in the menus... 
for those arguing convention, there's a long history of this in pre-OS 
X days...

> Now, it wasn't hard to find it in the View menu I wondered two things 
> when doing this, would it change color for just one window, or for all 
> windows in the applications. I also wondered if it would save state.

Yes, this is a very good counter argument to the premise that exposing 
the prefs is more usable/accessible -- I've long argued for memory 
(state retention) in applications, but if that's not the ruling 
convention, you're initially left wondering if you'll have to set the 
features each time... but again, it only takes opening your 2nd file to 
realise that's not the case...

...once learned does the lack of a preference window cause serious 
problems?

> It wasn't really a big problem, but in my personal case, a Preferences 
> window would have been more natural/obvious. It didn't really annoy 
> me, but it would just be smoother.

Arguably true.

For all the apparent angst about the preferences window, I don't 
personally see this as a major issue, and indeed, I can appreciate the 
arguments for the approach taken...

In the end, I think it's a bit of a non-issue, eventually a prefs 
window will be the best solution for settings requiring anything more 
than a toggle (although I have to concur that I found the colour 
settings slightly dubious, in that not having a preference window seems 
to remove the ability to have cross-file defaults, that can be 
over-ridden on a per-file basis... Ah, nothing like equivocating! ; )

...I guess every new release has to have its controversial elements, al 
a OmniWeb's tabs! TM's been christened with its first subjective 
bugbear...!  : )

marc



From blalor at bravo5.org  Thu Oct  7 01:48:48 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:48:48 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] My TextMate experiences
In-Reply-To: <20041007012735.GH12575@elitists.net>
References: <20041007012735.GH12575@elitists.net>
Message-ID: <080B3E7E-1803-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:27 PM, Scott Barron wrote:

>  * Dragging things around in the tree seems to be more painful than it
>    should.  I'm not sure why, but I was trying to drag a folder such
>    that it would be below (but not nested in) another folder and I
>    couldn't get it to go.  I became frustrated and deleted the 
> reference
>    and re-added the folder.  Anybody else experience this, or is it 
> just
>    me?

Yeah, I ran into this, too.  You do get the little indicator (O----) 
showing you where the folder will end up when you drop it, but for some 
reason it didn't look right to me.

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct  7 02:33:42 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:33:42 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] [Request] Find/Replace without dialog
Message-ID: <4DF687EA-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

Cmd-E to enter search string is a nice start.
Cmd-Opt-E to enter replacement string.
Cmd-... to replace and find next
Cmd-... to replace all

I use these commands more than almost any other when editing text. To 
have to use a dialog to enter the replacement string...to have to use 
the mouse to replace next...ouch. That's a big showstopper for me.

Oh...and why does 'Ignore Case' get greyed out when you use regular 
expression (and yet maintain the state last set to, as though it's 
either locked on or off)?
--
(-, /\ \/ / /\/



From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct  7 02:38:02 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:38:02 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] [Request] Case-manipulation in Regexp
Message-ID: <E8F83081-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

Regexp is great (yay for positive and negative look-aheads...wish there 
was pos/neg lookbehinds, too, even if only fixed-width). However, it's 
lacking a pretty important feature, IMO: character case manipulation in 
the replacement.

I'd love a way to:
* Change the first character of the saved subexpression to 
upper/lowercase.
* Change all characters to upper/lowercase until further notice.

I really lust for the folding feature of TextMate for Ruby work (and a 
couple other features that BBEdit lacks) but the core isn't quite 
there...yet :)
--
(-, /\ \/ / /\/



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 02:40:00 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:40:00 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] [Request] Find/Replace without dialog
In-Reply-To: <4DF687EA-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
References: <4DF687EA-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
Message-ID: <2F803B29-180A-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 07/10/2004, at 12:33 PM, Gavin Kistner wrote:

> Cmd-E to enter search string is a nice start.
> Cmd-Opt-E to enter replacement string.
> Cmd-... to replace and find next
> Cmd-... to replace all

I'll second that notion :)

Justin



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 03:32:49 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:32:49 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Reload in Safari and other UAs
In-Reply-To: <FE60ECFE-179A-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <EC4AE8F8-1780-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<FE60ECFE-179A-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <8FE346CB-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 6. Oct 2004, at 12:17, timothy martens wrote:
>
>> 1. Preview in Browsers with the ability to add/remove browsers. I 
>> love the built in Safari engine live preview, but can we harness 
>> other User Agents' rendering engines as well?
>
> You can open the current page in a browser using the Commands. There's 
> already one that assigns command-r to activate and refresh Safari.

This is not working for me. When I do CMD+R ()reload in Safari) -- 
Safari launches/opens my default home page not the document in Textmate 
I'd like to preview? Does the script need to be modified? Anyone?



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 03:35:07 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:35:07 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Preview in Browsers
Message-ID: <E238FCAE-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

I'm aware of the "Reload in Safari" under COmmands, but it's not 
loading the page I want to preview in the browser but rather my default 
home page? Any written a script that does this properly (i.e., launches 
browser and preview page)?



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 03:40:37 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:40:37 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Reload in Safari and other UAs
In-Reply-To: <8FE346CB-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <EC4AE8F8-1780-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<FE60ECFE-179A-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<8FE346CB-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
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On 07/10/2004, at 1:32 PM, timothy martens wrote:

>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>> On 6. Oct 2004, at 12:17, timothy martens wrote:
>>
>>> 1. Preview in Browsers with the ability to add/remove browsers. I 
>>> love the built in Safari engine live preview, but can we harness 
>>> other User Agents' rendering engines as well?
>>
>> You can open the current page in a browser using the Commands. 
>> There's already one that assigns command-r to activate and refresh 
>> Safari.
>
> This is not working for me. When I do CMD+R ()reload in Safari) -- 
> Safari launches/opens my default home page not the document in 
> Textmate I'd like to preview? Does the script need to be modified? 
> Anyone?

It's a _refresh_ of the current Safari window.  Here's what I do.

1. Open a project in TextMate, and work on the file I need (eg 
eventsController.php)
2. Open Safari, and navigate to the interface/controller I'm working on 
(eg http://apo.localhost/events/list/)
3. Edit in TextMate, press Command-R to check my changes in Safari.

I think you're assuming that the command takes notice of what file 
you're editing in TM, and opens it in Safari.  It doesn't.  It was 
designed to help web app developers (running Apache, PHP, Ruby, etc) a 
quick way to test their code edits over a server, rather than a local 
file.

For simple previews of raw HTML (without server-side code), TM has a 
built-in HTML preview, which uses the Safari engine.  Window > Show Web 
Preview.


Justin French



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 03:42:27 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:42:27 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Preview in Browsers
In-Reply-To: <E238FCAE-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <E238FCAE-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E8C3BBC8-1812-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 07/10/2004, at 1:35 PM, timothy martens wrote:

> I'm aware of the "Reload in Safari" under COmmands, but it's not 
> loading the page I want to preview in the browser but rather my 
> default home page? Any written a script that does this properly (i.e., 
> launches browser and preview page)?

It depends which browser you want to use... I think they'd need to have 
support for AppleScript.  You could always just use the Web Preview 
built into TM (Window > Show Web Preview).

Justin



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 03:53:40 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 05:53:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Request] Find/Replace without dialog
In-Reply-To: <4DF687EA-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
References: <4DF687EA-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
Message-ID: <79C1CA7A-1814-11D9-B1EC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 4:33, Gavin Kistner wrote:

> Cmd-E to enter search string is a nice start.
> Cmd-Opt-E to enter replacement string.
> Cmd-... to replace and find next
> Cmd-... to replace all
>
> I use these commands more than almost any other when editing text. To 
> have to use a dialog to enter the replacement string...to have to use 
> the mouse to replace next...ouch. That's a big showstopper for me.

Actually, cmd-f find, then tab moves to replace string input. Although 
currently the buttons do require the mouse (or some hefty tabbing) to 
reach.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 03:57:40 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 17:57:40 -1000
Subject: HTML, auto-complete and snippets (was Re: [TextMate] (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <47652E30-17A0-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<47652E30-17A0-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
Message-ID: <08A22892-1815-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 4:01 AM, mnothrop wrote:

> I own skEdit, and really like it's auto-complete feature, which you 
> might consider more traditional, in that it's implemented similarly to 
> other apps (e.g. Dreamweaver, HomeSite); it suggests the likely tag 
> *as* you type, with a drop down menu that is likewise filtered in 
> real-time.
>
> In comparing the features you quickly see that skEdit's approach 
> augment's the user's knowledge and memory of syntax (either 
> reminding/reinforcing, or teaching), whereas TM requires a mental 
> mapping of not only specifics of syntax, but an additional aspect, in 
> the triggers. It may just be my perspective on this feature (i.e. 
> largely reliably, and strict syntax of HTML, vs. highly variable, 
> creative arrangements of syntax in programming languages,) but I don't 
> find this approach as convenient for X/HTML editing.

Well said Marc. I'm disappointed, because I had just assumed that 
(XHTML/CSS) code-hinting would be there by default in TextMate. But now 
as I read the list and the split in opinions about this feature -- I'm 
wondering if it will ever be reality. Not to sound too negative -- 
there's a lot I like about TM so far. Further exploration is in order 
before making judgments.



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 04:04:22 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:04:22 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Reload in Safari and other UAs
In-Reply-To: <A700EF68-1812-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <EC4AE8F8-1780-11D9-B4BB-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<FE60ECFE-179A-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<8FE346CB-1811-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A700EF68-1812-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <F847E8CF-1815-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 5:40 PM, Justin French wrote:

> On 07/10/2004, at 1:32 PM, timothy martens wrote:
>
>>
>> On Oct 6, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>>
>>> On 6. Oct 2004, at 12:17, timothy martens wrote:
>>>
>>>> 1. Preview in Browsers with the ability to add/remove browsers. I 
>>>> love the built in Safari engine live preview, but can we harness 
>>>> other User Agents' rendering engines as well?
>>>
>>> You can open the current page in a browser using the Commands. 
>>> There's already one that assigns command-r to activate and refresh 
>>> Safari.
>>
>> This is not working for me. When I do CMD+R ()reload in Safari) -- 
>> Safari launches/opens my default home page not the document in 
>> Textmate I'd like to preview? Does the script need to be modified? 
>> Anyone?
>
> It's a _refresh_ of the current Safari window.  Here's what I do.
>
> 1. Open a project in TextMate, and work on the file I need (eg 
> eventsController.php)
> 2. Open Safari, and navigate to the interface/controller I'm working 
> on (eg http://apo.localhost/events/list/)
> 3. Edit in TextMate, press Command-R to check my changes in Safari.
>
> I think you're assuming that the command takes notice of what file 
> you're editing in TM, and opens it in Safari.  It doesn't.  It was 
> designed to help web app developers (running Apache, PHP, Ruby, etc) a 
> quick way to test their code edits over a server, rather than a local 
> file.

Yes I was. I guess I'm seeing the fact that this app is really targeted 
at programmers rather than XHTML/CSS UI hackers.

> For simple previews of raw HTML (without server-side code), TM has a 
> built-in HTML preview, which uses the Safari engine.  Window > Show 
> Web Preview.


Cool, but insufficient for my needs. I would like to be able to preview 
files in any/all browsers after tweaking my XHTML/CSS markup



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 04:10:08 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 18:10:08 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 6:52 AM, Eric Curtis wrote:

> 4. Dragging an image from the project pane into a HTML file should add 
> something like <img src="eric.jpg" alt="eric" width="100" height="100" 
> /> and not the actual source code of an image at the insertion point.
>
> 5. IMO the preview window needs help. I really do not like the fact 
> that it closes when I switch to another document and even worse does 
> not reappear when returning to the original document. This is might 
> commonly be done when switching to another document to copy and paste 
> something. I would much rather see a non-modal preview window that 
> updates when as the user switches between files. It would also be 
> helpful if it did not display non-html files such as css files.
>
> As a web designer that adheres to web-standards I find myself doing 
> quite a bit of work in the CSS file while needing to
> to view the html file.  I need to have a html preview open while 
> editing the CSS file. I find that I am doing just as much designing in 
> code as in photoshop these days. I use a wonderful program called 
> CSSedit (http://www.macrabbit.com/cssedit/) for this right now and 
> while there preview is not perfect it is much more usable right now. 
> Please go and check it out and see if you can provide a quick fix or 
> two.
>
> 5a. Preview to Browser seems like it is almost there however the 
> command currently refreshes the front safari window however it does 
> not but the page that I am viewing into safari first! It seems like 
> there should be two commands - first preview current page in bowser - 
> and then secondly the current command to refresh the page. I think 
> this one might be a quick fix as it is in the commands menu (I would 
> do it and share if I could but alas I do not know applescript yet.)
>
> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and DW 
> (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
> 7. Column select but with the option for discontinuous selections 
> (selecting every other line) like subethaedit.
> 8. Working with a remote server/FTP like DW
> 9. Split Pane Views

These are all things I need as well in order for TM to be my editor.



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 04:11:02 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:11:02 +1000
Subject: HTML, auto-complete and snippets (was Re: [TextMate] (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <08A22892-1815-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<47652E30-17A0-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<08A22892-1815-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E6B699A8-1816-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 07/10/2004, at 1:57 PM, timothy martens wrote:

> Well said Marc. I'm disappointed, because I had just assumed that 
> (XHTML/CSS) code-hinting would be there by default in TextMate. But 
> now as I read the list and the split in opinions about this feature -- 
> I'm wondering if it will ever be reality. Not to sound too negative -- 
> there's a lot I like about TM so far. Further exploration is in order 
> before making judgments.

The hinting (in some form) is planned for the future.  In the meantime, 
perhaps read this blog post I just published, which might encourage you 
to forget what you thought were cool features, and embrace TextMate's 
endless customisation and innovation through snippets and macros.

http://justinfrench.com/index.php?id=55

It's a bit of a rant, but please remember that I've been using TM about 
14 hrs a day for over a week now.  I feel I've got a bit of a head 
start and "get it", and can't help but try to show other people "the 
light".

Justin



From benny at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 04:42:57 2004
From: benny at diku.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Benny_Kj=E6r_Nielsen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:42:57 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [TextMate] Tab in snippets
In-Reply-To: <9147A47D-17C5-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <41643795.7090009@greenskin.net>
	<9147A47D-17C5-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410070619500.2898@tyr.diku.dk>

On Wed, 6 Oct 2004, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 6/10-2004, at 20:21, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:
>
> > Small thingie: I think it would be very convenient if after entering
> > all the parameters in the snippet, the tab key would place the cursor
> > at the end of the snippet.
>
> I agree, although this is possible of course in the current version
> like this:
> <img src="$1" />$2
>
> Or similar. I believe $0 can also be used for that purpose, regardless
> of the number of tab stops. I sort of think that this should not be
> neccesary and it should always end up after the snippet body no matter
> what... I can't imagine any situation where you _don't_ want that.. ?

Well, I needed it for a snippet I created for latex to make begin/end
constructions such as:

\begin{itemize}
\end{itemize}

Here you want the cursor to end up on a blank line between the two lines
of the snippet. Note a really nice TM feature here. If you specify the
same placeholder twice ($1 below) then it is filled out simultaneously
when using the snippet (this is a documented feature). Really cool ;-)

\\begin{$1}
$0
\\end{$1}

Since it might be a bit annoying to always having to define $0 for
snippets simply needing the cursor at the end of the snippet this could
simply be interpreted as the default if no $0 placeholder is specified.

-- 
Benny


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 05:14:08 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:14:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] My TextMate experiences
In-Reply-To: <20041007012735.GH12575@elitists.net>
References: <20041007012735.GH12575@elitists.net>
Message-ID: <B7B18857-181F-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 3:27, Scott Barron wrote:

> Issues
>  * Renaming a group is kind of a pain, can it default to being ready to
>    edit when you click to make a new group?

If you hold down option (alt) when you click an item in the project 
drawer, it will activate edit-in-place (i.e. rename).  Also, if you 
press space, when the outline has focus/key, it will also activate 
edit-in-place.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 05:30:26 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:30:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <FE3BFD1B-1821-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 6. Oct 2004, at 18:52, Eric Curtis wrote:

> Keep up the great work. I would be very interested in feedback about 
> my suggestions from the developer and if they are on the table to be 
> taken care of I would strongly consider purchasing a copy now.

Your feedback sounds reasonable! Although often requested, the code 
hinting is probably not before 1.3, because I think it'll take some 
time for me to come up with a good system for support of multiple 
language, and right now I'm not taking a 2-4 weeks research & 
experiment break... ;)

I liked the thing about dragging images to the editor!

With regard to the web preview, what I do for CSS is that I open a new 
single file window with the CSS file (just drag it from the project 
outline to the TM icon) and thus bind the preview to the "main" 
project's document -- but you're right, I'm not really doing HTML, CSS, 
etc. that often, so much of this functionality was made based on my own 
rather primitive needs :)  But it'll be refined!


Kind regards Allan



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 05:34:42 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:34:42 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
Message-ID: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

Hi all,

There were a couple of bugs in the Snippets, Commands, Macros and 
Languages bundled with 1.0 (What can I say, I was in a rush!).

I'd like to use this thread to document any problems you've encountered 
or suggestions you have specifically in regards to the Bundles.  
Please, no feature requests, or anything related to the general TM 
application.

Here's what I have so far:

Snippets:
- br and hr snippets are redundant (use "Make HTML Tag 2" command 
instead)
- meta snippet didn't have any placeholders
- PHP function snippet didn't have a placeholder for the function name
- The three PHP tag openers are a little much... will make one 
redundant, and people can customise top suit their own preferences

Languages:
- swapped SCRIPT and STYLE patterns around the wrong way in HTML.plist

Macros:
- nothing yet

Commands:
- rename "Reload in Safari" to "Refresh Safari", since that's all it 
does
- add a php.net manual look-up command for the current word


I'd appreciate any suggestions for more snippets, macros and commands 
to add to the default set.  Please keep them all in this thread, so 
it's easy for me to keep track of what's going on.  Anything that can 
help people speed up their productivity or solve repetitive or boring 
tasks is a great candidate.


Justin French





From james at spahr.org  Thu Oct  7 06:07:51 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:07:51 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] PHP & Smarty Syntax coloring
Message-ID: <38B0B4DE-1827-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>


I've been having fun poking around Textmate. I spent today picking 
through the internals to create my own syntax coloring for PHP and 
Smarty. Smarty ( http://smarty.php.net/ ) is a templating system for 
PHP.

http://www.spahr.org/share/PHP_Smarty.tmbundle.zip

Anyone is welcome to download and modify at as they please. Of note : a 
complete php function list is included in the php syntax file. I'm 
quite please with the Smarty coloring, all html elements are in cool 
and muted tones, and all smarty template logic is in saturated and warm 
tones -- it's rather easy to see what's what.

James.



From if at glyf.org  Thu Oct  7 06:11:38 2004
From: if at glyf.org (Philip)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:11:38 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Python.tmbundle
Message-ID: <BF8B6AEF-1827-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>

I've got a rough cut at python support bundle[1]. It includes syntax 
and three snippets: klass, def and deff. The snippets rely on a de 
facto python standard of 4-spaces for indentation. I'll keep making 
minor updates, but feel free to use it in the future TextMate releases.

The editor is rather neat so far. Keep up the good work.

[1] http://glyf.org/TextMate/pythonsyntax.tgz

---
Philip f



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 06:31:00 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:31:00 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
In-Reply-To: <FE3BFD1B-1821-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A67076CE-17A7-11D9-9B8C-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1991A58A-17B8-11D9-BBF4-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<FE3BFD1B-1821-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <74A33ADE-182A-11D9-8142-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:30 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> With regard to the web preview, what I do for CSS is that I open a new 
> single file window with the CSS file (just drag it from the project 
> outline to the TM icon) and thus bind the preview to the "main" 
> project's document -- but you're right, I'm not really doing HTML, 
> CSS, etc. that often, so much of this functionality was made based on 
> my own rather primitive needs :)  But it'll be refined!

Allan - definitely have a look at the way Topstyle (PC) handles browser 
previews. Not only is there a live preview pain (think frameset) which 
you show/hide or resize (also choose which rendering engine to use: IE, 
Gecko) but you can preview the file in the actual browser of your 
choice on a case by case basis. For example, after you have mapped all 
your browsers in the preferences, when you want to preview,  you hit a 
key (spacebar) which brings up a horizontal oriented dialog showing the 
browsers you've assigned. You then choose which one to launch based on 
it's #

Hit space to launch dialog:  1 - Internet Explorer   2 - Firefox   3 - 
Mozilla   4 - Opera    5 - Safari  : )

It's VERY well implemented.



From infolists at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 06:34:36 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (Richard Sandilands)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:34:36 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Selecting tags and their contents
In-Reply-To: <d01c2dd0041006111724e404e9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AF94B97C-17BE-11D9-A9F9-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>
	<d01c2dd0041006111724e404e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041006233438ce1adf@mail.gmail.com>

BBEdit does this via some applescripts floating around on the web. I
think www.clankwerks.com has them there for download.


On Wed, 6 Oct 2004 13:17:08 -0500, jheyer <jheyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> I've seen something similar in DW (very basic though) but I like what
> your suggesting. I'm in support of it.
> 
> -- jheyer
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 06:51:06 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 20:51:06 -1000
Subject: HTML, auto-complete and snippets (was Re: [TextMate] (no subject))
In-Reply-To: <5ABB080C-17B8-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 6:54 AM, marc wrote:

> Perhaps if I were able to group items in the Snippet and Macro menus 
> that might help, but they're already one level down in the menu...
>
> I tend to find the Macro and Snippet menus a little bit awkward being 
> buried one level down (more so because the Macro menu jumps to the 
> left, because it is long.) It seems that these are the two areas that 
> will focus a lot of extension effort, and while it's logical to have 
> them under automate, maybe there could be some thoughts on how they 
> might be made a little more accessible...?

Marc - I think we're sharing DNA, everything you've written on the list 
express my needs and sentiments to a tee. I can see how the 
macros/snippets will be developing exponentially. Perhaps it should be 
an option to hav them in their own floating palettes?

Boy Allan, you sure have a lot of reading to do. What a busy first 24 
hours!



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:01:13 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:01:13 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:01 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:

> Let the flamewars begin!

Easy!

>
>> 6. Context sensitive code completion that is included in skedit and 
>> DW (XHTML/CSS are most importnat to me).
>
> In my opinion that is a bad idea. This will bloat the editor. XHTML 
> and CSS are not all that hard to learn, and you can quickly learn by 
> heart the properties. Is this going to save you that much typing?

Yes it is. When your working on a 1000 lines of CSS with as many ids 
and classes it REALLY helps to have your editor be able to give you 
those names in context. Yet again I refer to Topstyle as the ultimate 
example of how to implement this and I would urge the developers to 
play with that application in-depth. No need to reinvent the wheel in 
terms of interaction design patterns.


> 2. The issue about CSS.
>
> Again, this would unnecessarily bloat the editor.

Then make it a module that you can load optionally

> CSSEdit is a great stand-alone application, it does what it is 
> supposed to do perfectly.

It's not that great. Especially if your coming from the darkside (PC) 
and have operated in the Homesite/Topstyle environment. Comparitively, 
CSSEdit is rather immature. I don't mean to knock it. I own it and it 
is a good, but it doesn't come close to its PC counterpart -- Topstyle 
-- That is an app that DOES WHAT IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO PERFECTLY

> Just run it in conjunction with TextMate.

Why? The CSS are text files. Textmate is a text editor. When I'm 
developing I want my CSS embedded in the head of my doc so I can tweak 
and preview, tweak and preview, tweak and preview EASILY.



From mummer at whitefalls.org  Thu Oct  7 07:13:46 2004
From: mummer at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 02:13:46 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] PHP & Smarty Syntax coloring
In-Reply-To: <38B0B4DE-1827-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
References: <38B0B4DE-1827-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
Message-ID: <6DAF75F8-1830-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

Double clicking this to install it is a wonderful solution. But it 
utterly fails unless the TextMate/Bundle folders already exist. ;)



From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Thu Oct  7 07:16:26 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 09:16:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041006233511.864F611E6@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-CD5FD827183011D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Sune Foldager saying:
>Good, argumentative reasons for it, please! :-).

For me, it went something like this:

"OK, now I want to change the background color of this window. That must
be in Preferences. Uhm. No preferences in the app menu. Must be burried
somewhere. Probably in Edit. Nope. Maybe in Window? Nah. Okay, so I'll
go through each menu. Oh, Color Settings. Okay, but that only works with
syntax highlighting disabled. That must mean that there are more
settings somewhere else. I guess I just missed the Preferences. They
*must* be in the app menu. Argh. Okay, "TextMate Help". What, you mean I
can't change this?"

Had all settings been inside a Preferences dialog, it would have been
clear what the user can change and what he can't right from the
beginning.

Having preferences inside the menu has additional problems. It clutters
the menu with things you use seldomly, which makes things you use more
often (like actual commands) harder to find. And it makes it harder to
find preferences, because it's often not clear where a given preference
should go, and if you can't find it, you can't be sure whether you just
missed it or whether it simply doesn't exist at all. A preferences
window also gives you room for additional information about settings.

BTW, what the heck is "Freehanded edit"?

lucas

- -- 
"Afer all, who needs courage when you have a gun?"
  -- Prof Hubert Farnsworth

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From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Thu Oct  7 07:16:46 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 09:16:46 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: TextMate first impression (longish)
In-Reply-To: <20041006235852.5118011D7@one.textdrive.com>
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On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed drew saying:
>I keep my dock quite small, and the icon just looks like a nasty
>brown blur.

Yeah, the problem with the icon isn't that it's ugly (I really don't
care either way), but that you can't easily recognize it if it's bellow
a certain size, which it is in my dock. That's what's great about
BBEdit's icon. It may not be pretty, but I always see it immediately
because it's unique.

lucas

- -- 
"The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just."
  -- Abraham Lincoln

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From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:24:24 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:24:24 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: HTML, auto-complete and snippets
In-Reply-To: <21BD1C92-17BC-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
References: <r02010400-1035-42429FB517BA11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:21 AM, marc wrote:

> On 07/10/2004, at 4:07 AM, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:
>
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>> On 6.10.2004, space aliens observed Justin French saying:
>>>> The main feature I use in BBEdit is the excellent CSS support. I can
>>>> easily create new CSS rules and find out what the correct syntax is.
>>>> Having something similar in TextMate would be great.
>>> All the CSS properties (font-size, width, height, etc) are all in
>>> there as keywords, as are all the units (px, em, etc).  Agreed, most
>>> of the values (bold, underline, block) are not in there yet, and TM
>>> has no idea if "left" is a valid value for "float", but I don't think
>>> BBEdit knows this either...
>>
>> It does, though :-)


It's badly implemented in BBEdit. For example. I'm inside the head 
tags, I hit Cmd + M, it brings up a nice contextual menu, I type the 
first letter  "s" and hit enter when "style" is highlighted, I hit 
enter and it puts the opening and closing style tags in BUT it puts my 
cursor in between them! Then I have to navigate back to the inside of 
end of opening tag, hit Cmd + Alt + M and what do I get? A BLOODY 
DIALOG box into which I have to type values "text/css" etc. ON TOP OF 
IT ALL you can't tab through the dialog's fileds. You've got to click 
around, typing more values and manipulating pull-downs. It's 
ridiculous.

That's not what I call a tool that increases my productivity.

Yet again I refer to Topstyle as the ONLY APPLICATION that does it 
right.

And pleaase don't tell me to go back to the PC. I think we're all i 
agreement here about the merits of OSX.


> Lucas, just in case you're not aware, that's exactly how skEdit 
> operates -- I'm currently trying to work out if a combination of 
> Snippets and Macros can substitute for syntax-aware code hinting... 
> there are benefits in both approaches, and each could learn from each 
> other.
>
> As noted by others (esp. Eric Curtis in his very good post) TextMate 
> isn't fully aimed at the HTML crowd, at least not to begin with.
>
> Crucial for HTML, IMHO, is some form of asset awareness, skEdit 
> (broken record!) offers completion of image names, file references, 
> class names etc., because it is aware of these elements -- it even has 
> an image viewer, click on an image from and you're site folder in TM, 
> like that HEX?!
>
> Sorry, I don't mean to be sarcastic, just raising some things that are 
> useful to the web crowd, but that can apply to coders too (awareness 
> of other files/classes etc. without you having to type it initially to 
> get it into the completion buffer.)

Again marc your spot on, but I have some issues with skEdit's preview 
feature and don't even get me started on the native apple color 
palette. Also, am I blind or is there no "screen" value for the style 
element's media attribute?



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:28:55 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:28:55 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <84FF49E8-17BE-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
References: <53D12336-1791-11D9-B6BA-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 7:38 AM, marc wrote:

> 1. define Snippets for pseudo-autocomplete (on steroids) for new tags
> 2. record Macros to convert/wrap existing text with tags
>
> Now, may it can be argued that '2' is somewhat redundant, or that it's 
> only really necessary for bigger ticket items, like tables, but what 
> if Snippets simply added support for a 'Selection' variable, along 
> with it's tab stops, so that Snippets could also be run over a 
> selection, conveniently making '2' completely redundant, and extending 
> the power of Snippets.

ala skEdit, this would be brilliant and eliminate said redundancy

>
>>> Also, can we just have the project drawer show up by default. 
>>> There's hardly ever an instance where I wouldn't need/want it in 
>>> view.
>>
>> It's coming in a future version, AFAIK...
>
> That's good to know.  : )

Ditto 
                             



From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 07:29:40 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:29:40 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] More Language Bundles
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-D93A20EA183011D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-D93A20EA183011D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
Message-ID: <A6B51A52-1832-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

All,

I've started putting together a language bundle for Mono/C# 
development. It's available at http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html 
if you're interested.

Also, since Allan seems pretty snowed under handling support calls at 
the moment, I'd like to step into the breach and offer to host a 
collection of user contributed bundles at on my site. If anybody has 
any bundles (or other TM related bits and pieces) that they've written 
then if you mail them to me at this address I'll put them on the site 
and send an announcement to this list.

Yours,
Ian.

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From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:35:40 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:35:40 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] First impressions
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:04 AM, jheyer wrote:

> Hey Nick,
>
> Code completion helps everyone!

Indeed.

> With regard to cssEdit, I don't like having 15 apps open at once. The
> fewer the apps the better for me. skEdit, in my opinion, does better
> than cssEdit (again because of code completion) and makes my css dev
> time so much shorter.

This is true.

> I think TM needs to be flexible and fit
> different types of work by using some sort of plug-in model to add the
> extras we need and want.

It would be nice if we could develop for everyone's needs this way 
without lines being drawn in the sand between programmers and us web/UI 
freaks.



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:39:30 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:39:30 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Tab in snippets
In-Reply-To: <9147A47D-17C5-11D9-B8BB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <41643795.7090009@greenskin.net>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:28 AM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> I agree, although this is possible of course in the current version 
> like this:
> <img src="$1" />$2

Better than that, when the cursor is a "$1" let me click on the image 
name in the project drawer and have it insert the source/path 
automatically!

Addittionaly, It would be cool to be able o select an image in the 
project drawer an be able to preview it in the main window (ala skEdit) 
rather than get garbled ASII



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:43:24 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:43:24 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] CSS/Preview
In-Reply-To: <53E41BE6-17C7-11D9-B513-003065B0FC4A@digitalindependence.com>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:41 AM, Evan Donn wrote:

> I just downloaded the app and it's looks great...I'm noticing the 
> preview window isn't 'sticky' - it goes away as soon as I tab to 
> another document, and it can only preview the currently active 
> document. This is a real problem for CSS as it previews the stylesheet 
> itself (so I get a long line of CSS)...is there some way to keep one 
> document open in the preview window while I work on a stylesheet so I 
> can see the results of the stylesheet changes?

I would LOVE this as well



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:44:59 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:44:59 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Snippets, and Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:52 AM, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> I've already submitted this to "the boys", however I figured i'd bring 
> it up here.
>
> For a snippet, there should be a variable say "$s" that references the 
> text selected when the snippet was acted on, so that say, if I select 
> noel at noeljackson.com and click on my href snippet, it will replace $s 
> with noel at noeljackson.com, allowing easy creation of headers etc in 
> HTML without going back, or creating macros.

Agreed, a selected text variable is a must. I hope we can get this high 
on the version 1.2 list please



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:49:35 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:49:35 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate first impression (longish)
In-Reply-To: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <6E82B4CA-1835-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

Luc -- your observations are spot on!



From benny at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 07:50:09 2004
From: benny at diku.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Benny_Kj=E6r_Nielsen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:50:09 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <r02010400-1035-CD5FD827183011D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
References: <r02010400-1035-CD5FD827183011D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>
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On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Lucas K. Mathis wrote:

> BTW, what the heck is "Freehanded edit"?

It is an editing mode in which the caret is free to go anywhere in the
display i.e. it is not limited horizontally by newlines. Kind of like in
really old-style editors. It is quite convenient if you are making some
kind of ASCII drawing.

An example could be an illustration of a hierarchy in your code such as:

         Superclass
          /      \
         /        \
     Subclass  Subclass

This is much easier to handle in "Freehanded edit". Note that often
it makes sense to combine this with the overwrite mode.

-- 
Benny


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 07:52:25 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 21:52:25 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Quote auto complete
In-Reply-To: <41647657.50300@greenskin.net>
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On Oct 6, 2004, at 12:48 PM, Joost Schuttelaar wrote:

> I had the same thing, but then with the () signs. Just press the " 
> when you're done, like typing normally :) Put it in the tip of the day 
> if it's not there already! :P

Thanks Joost!



From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 07:53:27 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:27 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request (and some thoughts on Preferences)
Message-ID: <F8F3611E-1835-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

How about this as a solution for preferences:

1. Move all of the preferences off the menus and into a separate
    (command-, invoked!) window.
2. Add a toolbar and allow most of the preference options to be added
    to it via the "customize..." option.

This would allow users to make frequently changed preferences easily 
available, and it seems to be the method that a few other apps have 
chosen.

And now for some feature requests:

1. Allow projects to define their own variables in the same way that you
    can with the defaults command line tool. This would be useful when
    setting up templates and snippets.

2. Add a separate "New" sub-menu, which bundles can contribute to, I see
    this working like the existing templates feature, but with parameters
    in a similar to snippets. Probably need to have the parameters
    configured in the property list that would go with the template file.

2a. An alternative to this would be to allow template property lists to
     specify a series of parameters that would be prompter for in a 
dialog
     before the file is created. E.g.
     {
         parameter = "1";
         displayName = "Class Name";
         defaultValue = "MyClass";
     }

3. A minor UI tweak: have the encoding and line endings embedded in the
    status bar, this could either be a read-only display, or a combo-box
    to alter them.

4. Add a preference/option to show or hide white space characters
    (e.g. line endings, tabs, etc.).

What do people think?

Yours,
Ian.

#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
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From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 07:53:54 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:54 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041007085354840301.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:18:39 +0200, Sune Foldager wrote:

> So you think that people will actually be _annoyed_ by this?

Yes; there's plenty of evidence of that on this list, and in the 
(excessive, IMHO) hostility expressed on the web.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 07:53:58 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:58 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
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	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
	<580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041007085358520226.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:35:01 +0200, Sune Foldager wrote:

> You can now quicker change settings with hotkeys etc. MANY times in 
> the future.

But under the current system, you have to go and change them back again 
any time you want them to be temporary.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 07:53:53 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:53 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
Message-ID: <20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:43:06 +1100, marc wrote:

> Yes, this is a very good counter argument to the premise that 
> exposing the prefs is more usable/accessible -- I've long argued for 
> memory (state retention) in applications, but if that's not the 
> ruling convention, you're initially left wondering if you'll have to 
> set the features each time... but again, it only takes opening your 
> 2nd file to realise that's not the case.

The trouble is -- what if you only wanted to change the font for the 
current document?  Perhaps I'd like to see the document I'm working on 
right now in a bigger font, or I'd like to treat tabs differently 
temporarily.  Under the current system, it ain't temporary.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 07:59:07 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:59:07 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Snippets, and Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <CA0907D8-1834-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<CA0907D8-1834-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <C3D10DE8-1836-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

>> For a snippet, there should be a variable say "$s" that references 
>> the text selected when the snippet was acted on, so that say, if I 
>> select noel at noeljackson.com and click on my href snippet, it will 
>> replace $s with noel at noeljackson.com, allowing easy creation of 
>> headers etc in HTML without going back, or creating macros.
>
> Agreed, a selected text variable is a must. I hope we can get this 
> high on the version 1.2 list please

Surely a better solution would be to allow any variables in snippets, 
just like you can with templates, that way you could just use 
$TM_SELECTED_TEXT to get this.

Ian.

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From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 08:00:45 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:00:45 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <FDFA859F-1836-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Maybe projects should allow per document preference overriding? Can I 
add this to my request for per-project variables ;-)

Ian.

On Oct 7, 2004, at 08:53, Andrew Green wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:43:06 +1100, marc wrote:
>
>> Yes, this is a very good counter argument to the premise that
>> exposing the prefs is more usable/accessible -- I've long argued for
>> memory (state retention) in applications, but if that's not the
>> ruling convention, you're initially left wondering if you'll have to
>> set the features each time... but again, it only takes opening your
>> 2nd file to realise that's not the case.
>
> The trouble is -- what if you only wanted to change the font for the
> current document?  Perhaps I'd like to see the document I'm working on
> right now in a bigger font, or I'd like to treat tabs differently
> temporarily.  Under the current system, it ain't temporary.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
> -- 
>                    ::
>       article seven       Andrew Green
>  automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk
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#endif



From johans at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 08:05:39 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:05:39 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:53 +0100, Andrew Green <andrew at article7.co.uk> wrote:
> The trouble is -- what if you only wanted to change the font for the
> current document?  Perhaps I'd like to see the document I'm working on
> right now in a bigger font, or I'd like to treat tabs differently
> temporarily.  Under the current system, it ain't temporary.

and I think that is exactly the reason why people are so bothered by
this, usually in mac osx applications things in the menus only apply
to the current (document) window, not globally.
And I'm wondering what the HIG would say about this?

Personally I don't really have that much of a problem with it, apart
from the fact that i have to move past 3-5 menu items in the view menu
that I've only used once to change the wrapping for example. But hey,
if the developers feel this is the best thing since sliced bread, so
be it. UI wise I think its a step backwards, mainly because it breaks
usage patterns established by OSX.
I just don't hope they keep on adding more and more menu items when
the program grows in options, then TM would end up feeling
like..well... windows really...

-- johan


From johans at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 08:25:42 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:25:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request (and some thoughts on Preferences)
In-Reply-To: <F8F3611E-1835-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <F8F3611E-1835-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <6890597404100701253c4b83a3@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 08:53:27 +0100, Ian Phillips <ianp at ianp.org> wrote:
> 3. A minor UI tweak: have the encoding and line endings embedded in the
>     status bar, this could either be a read-only display, or a combo-box
>     to alter them.

I'd like to second that, at least display the encoding in the status
bar (looks like there's plenty of room). Or perhaps add the enconding
type to the info panel in the drawer (which btw should have a cmd+i
shortcut I think)

Right now I really don't feel like I have any idea what encoding my
current document is in.

--johan

-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Thu Oct  7 08:30:30 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 10:30:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <20041007075015.6517011E5@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-2651CB62183B11D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 7.10.2004, space aliens observed Benny saying:
>>BTW, what the heck is "Freehanded edit"?
>It is an editing mode in which the caret is free to go anywhere in
>the display i.e. it is not limited horizontally by newlines. Kind of
>like in really old-style editors.

Ah! That's pretty awesome! No more of this foolish entering of spaces!
:-)

lucas

- -- 
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From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 08:42:24 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:42:24 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror Typing in Snippets
Message-ID: <CFDD56C9-183C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Can anybody get this to work? Is it not implemented yet or am I just 
screwing up?

Ian.

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#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From benny at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 08:47:09 2004
From: benny at diku.dk (=?iso-8859-1?Q?Benny_Kj=E6r_Nielsen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:47:09 +0200 (MEST)
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror Typing in Snippets
In-Reply-To: <CFDD56C9-183C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <CFDD56C9-183C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410071045001.31388@pc-048.diku.dk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Ian Phillips wrote:

> Can anybody get this to work? Is it not implemented yet or am I just
> screwing up?

Seeing your attempt at making it work would have been nice :-)

As described in a previous post I have it working for the following
snippet (it is for latex):

\\begin{$1}
$0
\\end{$1}

-- 
Benny


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 09:05:15 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:05:15 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 10:05, Johan S?rensen wrote:

>> The trouble is -- what if you only wanted to change the font for the
>> current document?  Perhaps I'd like to see the document I'm working on
>> right now in a bigger font, or I'd like to treat tabs differently
>> temporarily.  Under the current system, it ain't temporary.

How would moving the stuff to a preferences window make it temporary?

> and I think that is exactly the reason why people are so bothered by
> this, usually in mac osx applications things in the menus only apply
> to the current (document) window, not globally.

It's been out for a day -- I think people have started it, wanted to  
see which preferences it offered, and then stumbled upon the missing  
preferences window, and ranted about it.  So let's give it 14 days, and  
we'll see how people feels about it in that time.

> And I'm wondering what the HIG would say about this?

I'm getting slapped with AHIG a lot, but no-one provides any quotes, so  
here are some.

Regarding preferences in general:  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ 
AppleSWDesign/UsingTechnologies/chapter_7_section_6.html

[...] avoid implementing all the preferences you can think of. Instead,  
focus your preferences on the features users might really want to  
modify.

A preference should be a setting that the user changes infrequently. If  
a user might change the attributes of a feature many times in a work  
session, avoid using preferences to set those attributes. Instead, give  
the user modeless access to the controls for modifying that feature.  
For example, you might implement the feature using a menu item or a  
control in a palette or window.

[...]

Regarding the View menu, which I use for most options:  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/ 
OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/chapter_7_section_4.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ 
TP30000356/TPXREF148

The View menu provides commands that affect what users see in a window.  
In the Finder, for example, the View menu contains commands for  
displaying windows as columns, icons, or lists. Commands for showing,  
hiding, and customizing a toolbar belong in the View menu [...]

> Personally I don't really have that much of a problem with it, apart
> from the fact that i have to move past 3-5 menu items in the view menu
> that I've only used once to change the wrapping for example.

And this is actually part of the reason why I did it as menu items.  
Many of the items I present in the View and Behavior menu are things I  
frequently change, and having them in the menu provides a key  
equivalent to do this (so I can work 100% from the keyboard).

So whether or not this goes against AHIG would probably depend on the  
frequency with which you change these items (ignoring that the View  
menu *is* for options relating to the view). Maybe my usage pattern  
differs from the average, maybe people are (without realizing it?)  
using preference windows as initial hints to what features a program  
offers (instead of going through the documentation), or maybe something  
third... let's put this to rest and see if it's really that unbearable!

> But hey, if the developers feel this is the best thing since sliced  
> bread, so
> be it.

I _do_ get the message that this bothers a lot of people, and this is  
of course not my goal with TextMate. But OS X also did initially bother  
a lot of Classic Mac users ;)

> I just don't hope they keep on adding more and more menu items when
> the program grows in options, then TM would end up feeling
> like..well... windows really...

A preferences window is unavoidable in the long term, I'm not religious  
about it, and I wouldn't add arbitrary options to the menus!

And "keep on adding more and more", I really do not think TextMate  
stands out with huge unstructured menus. I'm currently in Mail.app, I  
see it has 17 items in its View menu, 5 of them are submenus.

But I would love to receive constructive criticism on the subject e.g.  
in the form of mockups.

Kind regards Allan



From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 09:18:33 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:18:33 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror Typing in Snippets
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0410071045001.31388@pc-048.diku.dk>
References: <CFDD56C9-183C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.58.0410071045001.31388@pc-048.diku.dk>
Message-ID: <DC474D09-1841-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

private ${1:string} _${2:MyProperty};
public ${1:string} ${2:MyProperty} {
   get {
     return ${2:MyProperty};
   }
   set {
     ${2:MyProperty} = value;
   }
}
$3

Doesn't work for me :-(

Ian.

On Oct 7, 2004, at 09:47, Benny Kj?r Nielsen wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Ian Phillips wrote:
>
>> Can anybody get this to work? Is it not implemented yet or am I just
>> screwing up?
>
> Seeing your attempt at making it work would have been nice :-)
>
> As described in a previous post I have it working for the following
> snippet (it is for latex):
>
> \\begin{$1}
> $0
> \\end{$1}
>
> -- 
> Benny
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
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>
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From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 09:29:56 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:29:56 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <20041007102956619445.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:05:15 +0200, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 7. Oct 2004, at 10:05, Johan S?rensen wrote:
>
>>> The trouble is -- what if you only wanted to change the font for the
>>> current document? Perhaps I'd like to see the document I'm working
>>> on right now in a bigger font, or I'd like to treat tabs differently
>>> temporarily. Under the current system, it ain't temporary.
>
> How would moving the stuff to a preferences window make it temporary?

What Johan wrote was quoted from me, so I'd like to take a stab at 
answering:

* The font settings you apply in the preferences window would stick.
* The ones you apply using the regular menus wouldn't.

If I wanted to change a font forever, I'd adjust it in preferences. If I
wanted to change it, temporarily, because of the needs of the current
document, I'd change it in the menus.

This is even more pertinent outside of the realm of fonts. I might want
to enable overwrite mode for the document I'm currently working on, just
for the time that I'm working on it. But in general, I want to stay out
of overwrite mode. Under the current system, even if I quit the program
after I've made the changes to a specific document that I wanted to make
in overwrite mode, I have to remember that the program has "helpfully"
remembered that I made that change, and I have to switch back out of it.

I'm not suggesting that TM should remember the settings on a 
document-by-document basis; simply that adjustments you make using the 
menus
shouldn't linger with you until you remember to change them again.  
Permanent changes are what a Preferences panel is for.

Another example (there are plenty): I'd like to be able to switch line
numbering on, temporarily, and not have to turn it off again for other
documents or when I quit the program.

If I change what I "syntax highlight as" in the menu, to be consistent
with the current system, this should "stick" as well. If I want to
syntax highlight as HTML *now*, surely I want to syntax highlight as
HTML *forever*. No? Then perhaps I might want to be able to temporarily
change other settings too.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
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From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 09:32:22 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:32:22 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

>>> The trouble is -- what if you only wanted to change the font for the
>>> current document?  Perhaps I'd like to see the document I'm working 
>>> on
>>> right now in a bigger font, or I'd like to treat tabs differently
>>> temporarily.  Under the current system, it ain't temporary.
>
> How would moving the stuff to a preferences window make it temporary?

It wouldn't, but it would change users expectations so that they no 
longer assumed that changes were temporary.

>> and I think that is exactly the reason why people are so bothered by
>> this, usually in mac osx applications things in the menus only apply
>> to the current (document) window, not globally.
>
> It's been out for a day -- I think people have started it, wanted to 
> see which preferences it offered, and then stumbled upon the missing 
> preferences window, and ranted about it.  So let's give it 14 days, 
> and we'll see how people feels about it in that time.

Well, only counting top-level menu items there, and not counting 
commands, there are 80 menu items. Depending on whether you include 
"Enable Syntax Highlighting" there are either 20 or 21 which are really 
preferences. I'd say that saving 25% of the "menu real-estate" would 
definitely justify moving the preferences to a separate window.

An added advantage: if a future version implements per-project 
preference overriding, then the prefs window can be re-used as the UI 
for this feature.

For the record, here's what I think should be moved to preferences:

File -> Open With Encoding should be a Default Encoding preference 
(maybe move file encoding to the status bar)

Everything in the View menu except Fold Current Block. The fonts and 
color picker dialogs may also want to be left in the menu, but rely on 
dismissing the windows instead of having a "hide" command.

The entire Behaviour menu.

> And "keep on adding more and more", I really do not think TextMate 
> stands out with huge unstructured menus. I'm currently in Mail.app, I 
> see it has 17 items in its View menu, 5 of them are submenus.

FWIW at least 3 of those (Hide toolbar, hide status bar, use small 
icons) should really be preferences according to the HIG section that 
you mention ;-)

Ian.

#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 10:29:57 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:29:57 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:32:22 +0100, Ian Phillips wrote:

> For the record, here's what I think should be moved to preferences...

FWIW, I disagree.  I think these options should be in preferences as 
well, with the menu options working only for the current document at 
the time they're invoked.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From msheets at whitefalls.org  Thu Oct  7 06:16:03 2004
From: msheets at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:16:03 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] PHP & Smarty Syntax coloring
In-Reply-To: <38B0B4DE-1827-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
References: <38B0B4DE-1827-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
Message-ID: <5DBAF29C-1828-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

Double clicking this to install it is a wonderful solution. But it 
utterly fails unless the TextMate/Bundle folders already exist. ;)



From johans at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 09:26:20 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:26:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <6890597404100702262c7d04a6@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:05:15 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> A preferences window is unavoidable in the long term, I'm not religious
> about it, and I wouldn't add arbitrary options to the menus!

Thats good enough for me, for a moment there I was under the
impression that it was some crusade, so good to hear it's not :)

> And "keep on adding more and more", I really do not think TextMate
> stands out with huge unstructured menus. I'm currently in Mail.app, I
> see it has 17 items in its View menu, 5 of them are submenus.
> 
> But I would love to receive constructive criticism on the subject e.g.
> in the form of mockups.

I've only made one change to to nib file, and that's moving the "Show
Fonts" to "Show status bar" down to the bottom (see attached
screenshot), like I said, I pretty much haven't changed them since I
started using TM so I just wanted them a bit more out of the way.
Works for me, I'm happy.

-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com
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From dave at onethirtyseven.com  Thu Oct  7 00:31:30 2004
From: dave at onethirtyseven.com (David Woodward)
Date: Wed, 6 Oct 2004 19:31:30 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Quick Icon Improvement
In-Reply-To: <85089F48-17F7-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<85089F48-17F7-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <3B9AD04A-17F8-11D9-BE44-000A95ABB1C4@onethirtyseven.com>

I don't really like the icon, so here are some quick mockups I did 
using the PNG logo from the website.  I made the color of the little 
guy brighter and more saturated, and the typewriter less saturated to 
take emphasis off of that.  I also removed some detail from the 
typewriter to make the "little guy" clearer at small sizes.  I think 
this helps.

I don't really understand though the "little guy" just kind of floating 
over the top of a typewriter.  In my humble opinion, he needs to be 
interacting with something (maybe he is holding up a pencil?).  Just 
for fun I also attached a small image of just the guy.  I like the 
"little guy", but I'm not so sure about the typewriter.  Also, I think 
his shoes should be red :)  I'd be willing to do more work if you all 
want, cause I like TextMate that much :)

Dave Woodward
dave at onethirtyseven.com
http://www.onethirtyseven.com
........................................................
"This sentence is false."

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From jimm at io.com  Thu Oct  7 11:57:35 2004
From: jimm at io.com (Jim Menard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:57:35 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax coloring and "/"
Message-ID: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>

When editing Ruby code, everything after the first "/" in code turns 
yellow. For example, in the code

class Foo
	def bletch(num)
		@foo = num / 12
	end
end

everything from the "/" to the end of the file is yellow.

Is this a known issue? What can I do to fix it?

Jim
-- 
Jim Menard, jimm at io.com, http://www.io.com/~jimm
"...it uses Smalltalk, rather than modern-day kludges such as Java, 
which
resembles a modern object-orientated environment in the way that a pub 
ashtray
resembles a cigar store."
     -- Andrew Orlowski, "Forgotten language enables nonstop gadgets", 
The Reg



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 12:00:50 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:00:50 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
Message-ID: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Hi all,

I just downloaded the PHP & Smarty syntax bundle, and found that it too 
was based on a dark background.  Can someone please explain this 
seeming 'obsession' with dark backgrounds when 99% of all other apps 
are the basic white background with black/coloured text ???

What is it that I don't get about it ???  (I personally find it very 
hard to read text that way.)


Kind regards,

Mats



From infolists at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 12:12:29 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (Richard Sandilands)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:12:29 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804100705121e10c3a3@mail.gmail.com>

It's a hang over from the olden days. Nothing more :-) 

Dark on light is way more readable although this does not necessarily
mean black on white. A pale grey background works for me.


On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:00:50 +0100, Mats Persson <mats at imediatec.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just downloaded the PHP & Smarty syntax bundle, and found that it too
> was based on a dark background.  Can someone please explain this
> seeming 'obsession' with dark backgrounds when 99% of all other apps
> are the basic white background with black/coloured text ???
> 
> What is it that I don't get about it ???  (I personally find it very
> hard to read text that way.)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mats
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>


From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 12:30:30 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:30:30 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Per document options seem popular! That being so, my preference (no pun 
intended) would be to have a hierarchy of preferences. Global 
(command-,) preferences, which could be overridden by per-project 
settings, which in turn could be overridden by per-document settings.

The advantage of having a preferences dialog is that the same UI/code 
could be used for all 3 of these. If people really want to have 
some/all of these settings available, how about either:

(a) Once AppleScript support is in they could be added to the scripts 
menu and bound to whichever keys the user wants.
(b) A toolbar could be added and the prefs toggles can be added to it 
via customisation.

or some/all of them could be left in the menus as well, but this 
wouldn't be my preferred option.

Yours,
Ian.

On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:29, Andrew Green wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:32:22 +0100, Ian Phillips wrote:
>
>> For the record, here's what I think should be moved to preferences...
>
> FWIW, I disagree.  I think these options should be in preferences as
> well, with the menu options working only for the current document at
> the time they're invoked.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
> -- 
>                    ::
>       article seven       Andrew Green
>  automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From johans at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 12:34:54 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:34:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>

It's dark times these days! ;)

Personally I think that something like background/foreground colour
should be global and not per-language basis. But the syntax system
will apparently get some kind of overhaul in a Future Version? I
believe...

If you don't feel like messing around too much with the language
bundles you check out the ones I made from the default bundles at
http://theexciter.com/ (one dark, one bright), they could spare you,
or anyone else, a bit of work perhaps...

/johan

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:00:50 +0100, Mats Persson <mats at imediatec.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I just downloaded the PHP & Smarty syntax bundle, and found that it too
> was based on a dark background.  Can someone please explain this
> seeming 'obsession' with dark backgrounds when 99% of all other apps
> are the basic white background with black/coloured text ???
> 
> What is it that I don't get about it ???  (I personally find it very
> hard to read text that way.)
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Mats
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 12:35:37 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:35:37 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] PHP & Smarty Syntax coloring
In-Reply-To: <5DBAF29C-1828-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <38B0B4DE-1827-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<5DBAF29C-1828-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <646002EA-185D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

> Double clicking this to install it is a wonderful solution. But it 
> utterly fails unless the TextMate/Bundle folders already exist. ;)

Good point. I've added a note to that effect on my bundles list page.

Ian.

#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct  7 12:37:19 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:37:19 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] [Request] Find/Replace without dialog
In-Reply-To: <79C1CA7A-1814-11D9-B1EC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <4DF687EA-1809-11D9-A3D8-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<79C1CA7A-1814-11D9-B1EC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <A0CA5360-185D-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:53 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:
> On 7/10-2004, at 4:33, Gavin Kistner wrote:
>> Cmd-E to enter search string is a nice start.
>> Cmd-Opt-E to enter replacement string.
>> Cmd-... to replace and find next
>> Cmd-... to replace all
>
> Actually, cmd-f find, then tab moves to replace string input. Although 
> currently the buttons do require the mouse (or some hefty tabbing) to 
> reach.

Yes, but for the same reason that Cmd-E is a good idea, it's often 
convenient to be able to optiion-shift-right arrow to select a word, 
Cmd-Opt-E to enter it as a replacement string, and then begin 
finding/replacing one instance at a time. Without ever breaking focus 
from looking at the code you're working on.



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 12:40:34 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:40:34 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1524D472-185E-11D9-B5DB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 14:34, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> It's dark times these days! ;)

Hehe... Yes maybe, but actually I like the dark (not black) 
backgrounds. Especially on C and C++, since it allows you to use both 
black and white as highlight colors for syntax :-).

> Personally I think that something like background/foreground colour
> should be global and not per-language basis. But the syntax system
> will apparently get some kind of overhaul in a Future Version? I
> believe...

Yes but making those global can easily interfere with different 
languages. Of course if ALL your highlights use a black-on-white 
approach, maybe not... but then you want a teal background and some 
syntax highlight uses it as a foreground, etc. A more feasible 
approach, I think, is to make colors for syntax highlight in general 
more "global" in the sense that you can gather (named) colors in one 
place, and use them in all highlight bundles. I believe something like 
that (although not necessarily in that form) is on the idea-board for 
SyntaxHighlight-ng?.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct  7 12:47:53 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:47:53 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <1AF9875A-185F-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

On Oct 6, 2004, at 11:34 PM, Justin French wrote:
> Languages:

The syntax coloring for Ruby could use a bit more love:

Instance variables (@foo) and class variables (@@foo) would be nice to 
have in a different color.

There's no support for %q|...|, %Q|...|, %Q{...}, etc. type strings, 
nor %r{...} type regexps. (Perhaps because they're difficult, if not 
impossible, to specify in a regexp without recursive support.)

There's no support for 'here-document' strings.
--
(-, /\ \/ / /\/



From skr at telefonica.net  Thu Oct  7 12:49:07 2004
From: skr at telefonica.net (Oscar Sanchez Casamitjana)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:49:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <46C87147-185F-11D9-9CF9-000A956D5506@telefonica.net>

good taste for colors, I love the dark scheme ;)

> If you don't feel like messing around too much with the language
> bundles you check out the ones I made from the default bundles at
> http://theexciter.com/ (one dark, one bright), they could spare you,
> or anyone else, a bit of work perhaps...
>
> /johan



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 12:53:44 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:53:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <1AF9875A-185F-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<1AF9875A-185F-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
Message-ID: <EBEBB4E1-185F-11D9-B5DB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 14:47, Gavin Kistner wrote:

> There's no support for 'here-document' strings.

Heredoc requires a slightly more general form of the begin-end style 
matches. Either the carrying over of captures from begin to end, or 
(perhabs even better), some general system for using various values 
(including begin-captures) in the rest of the rule. I believe this is 
on a todo for an upcomming update.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 12:56:13 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:56:13 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:30:30 +0100, Ian Phillips wrote:

> Per document options seem popular! That being so, my preference (no 
> pun intended) would be to have a hierarchy of preferences. Global 
> (command-,) preferences, which could be overridden by per-project 
> settings, which in turn could be overridden by per-document settings.

I hadn't really considered per-project settings, although I suppose it 
seems sensible.  I'm anxious, though, not to be misunderstood about 
what you call "per-document settings".  I really, emphatically believe 
that if you change a setting using the menus, it should act in a 
completely temporary way.

That is to say: if your global preferences state that you don't 
normally want overwrite mode to be on, but you switch it on using the 
menu while editing a given document, it shouldn't magically spring back 
on when you next load that document.  The menus are for the 
here-and-now.

Seriously, the menus give no indication whatever of what's going to be 
remembered and what isn't.  If my overwrite settings get applied across 
all documents and are remembered until I notice that I need to switch 
them back, why doesn't the syntax colouring option do the same?

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct  7 12:56:24 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 06:56:24 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax coloring and "/"
In-Reply-To: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
References: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
Message-ID: <4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:57 AM, Jim Menard wrote:
> When editing Ruby code, everything after the first "/" in code turns 
> yellow. For example, in the code
>
> class Foo
> 	def bletch(num)
> 		@foo = num / 12
> 	end
> end
>
> everything from the "/" to the end of the file is yellow.

Looks to me like it thinks it's a regexp literal.

Probably changing the syntax coloring for regexp literals to require a 
non-space after them would do it.



From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct  7 13:02:54 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:02:54 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <33E8D02A-1861-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:56 AM, Andrew Green wrote:
> I hadn't really considered per-project settings, although I suppose it
> seems sensible.  I'm anxious, though, not to be misunderstood about
> what you call "per-document settings".  I really, emphatically believe
> that if you change a setting using the menus, it should act in a
> completely temporary way.

And I personally like to see per-language settings.

Tab stops for CSS I like to put at 20 characters, Ruby 2 characters 
with tabs-to-spaces turned on (silly community) , and all other 
languages 3 characters with real tabs.

Does TextMate 'learn' your preferences on a per-language basis?



From skr at telefonica.net  Thu Oct  7 13:03:47 2004
From: skr at telefonica.net (Oscar Sanchez Casamitjana)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:03:47 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why a drawer?
Message-ID: <5363ADA9-1861-11D9-9CF9-000A956D5506@telefonica.net>

(pardon my english)

Having seen the 'rails_setup.mov' I thought Textmate's interface would 
be more Xcode like, but I see that you finally opted for something more 
Mail.app like. I wonder why, I see the splitview metaphor more adequate 
for Textmate.


OS



From macromates.com at lkmc.ch  Thu Oct  7 13:09:54 2004
From: macromates.com at lkmc.ch (Lucas K. Mathis)
Date: Thu,  7 Oct 2004 15:09:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <20041007125629.EB86111F4@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <r02010400-1035-2E9E7F23186211D98696000A95728AA6@[10.0.1.220]>

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On 7.10.2004, space aliens observed Mats Persson saying:
>I just downloaded the PHP & Smarty syntax bundle, and found that it
>too was based on a dark background.  Can someone please explain this
>seeming 'obsession' with dark backgrounds when 99% of all other apps
>are the basic white background with black/coloured text ???

A lot of people who spend the day writing on a Computer prefer dark
backgrounds because for them it is less tiring. Dark text on white
background works well on paper, because paper reflects light and doesn't
emit it. A screen, however, emits light, which makes white really
bright.

I prefer dark backgrounds and find them more readable and a lot less
tiring for the eye than bright backgrounds.

lucas

- -- 
"No one ever attains very eminent success by simply doing what is required of him; it is the amount and excellence of what is over and above the required that determines greatness."
  -- Charles Kendall Adams

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From ianp at ianp.org  Thu Oct  7 13:30:58 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:30:58 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror Typing in Snippets
In-Reply-To: <CFDD56C9-183C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <CFDD56C9-183C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <1F93A296-1865-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Hmm, after a restart it seems to work now. Probably best to assume that 
I did something stupid ;-)

Ian.


On Oct 7, 2004, at 09:42, Ian Phillips wrote:

> Can anybody get this to work? Is it not implemented yet or am I just 
> screwing up?
>
> Ian.
>
> #ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
> #include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
> #endif
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From kermic at tempobrain.com  Thu Oct  7 13:34:03 2004
From: kermic at tempobrain.com (Mic Milic Frederickx)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:34:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] "Invisibles" - Feature request
Message-ID: <p06110402bd8af536f4cf@[172.16.0.20]>

Hi,

I've searched the documentation and the list archive for any mention 
of "invisibles", i.e. the ability to show tabs and spaces, a la 
BBEdit's "Show Invisibles" and "Show Spaces" or SubEthaEdit's "Show 
Invisible Characters". Now, maybe it's there, but I can't find it; in 
that case I'd appreciate a hint.

If not, and since we're supposed to send feature requests to the 
list, that would be mine.

Best, Mic


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 13:38:10 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:38:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] "Invisibles" - Feature request
In-Reply-To: <p06110402bd8af536f4cf@[172.16.0.20]>
References: <p06110402bd8af536f4cf@[172.16.0.20]>
Message-ID: <215554F4-1866-11D9-BEB4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 15:34, Mic Milic Frederickx wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I've searched the documentation and the list archive for any mention 
> of "invisibles", i.e. the ability to show tabs and spaces, a la 
> BBEdit's "Show Invisibles" and "Show Spaces" or SubEthaEdit's "Show 
> Invisible Characters". Now, maybe it's there, but I can't find it; in 
> that case I'd appreciate a hint.

It's not there, currently.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 13:42:33 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:42:33 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <33E8D02A-1861-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<33E8D02A-1861-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
Message-ID: <20041007144233552220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:02:54 -0600, Gavin Kistner wrote:

> And I personally like to see per-language settings.

I don't think out positions are all that different -- it may well be 
sensible for the preferences to be organised in this way.

I'm simply arguing that if I generally prefer 3-space tabs, but open a 
document and use the menus to set 8-space tabs, I don't want the 
program to assume that I've changed my preference for all documents 
thereafter.  Whether my preference is expressed truly globally, or on 
the basis of per-language definitions is really another issue.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 13:50:57 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:50:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <20041007144233552220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<33E8D02A-1861-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<20041007144233552220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <EA8CAC2A-1867-11D9-BEB4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

[The following is not refering to the current version of TM; it's just 
a general discussion.]

To break it down, you could say that there are four levels on which to 
change settings:
1. Globally.
2. Per language.
3. Per project.
4. Per file or document.

...and two modes:
A. Permanent changes.
B. Temporary changes.

The_most flexible_ system would then be the ability to change on all 
levels, in both modes. In pratice, this is probably not desirable as it 
would bloat the interface almost no matter how it is done. I do agree 
(but this is not necessarily the view of the TM author) that more 
things should be changable on level 2 for instance, while I have less 
use for levels 3 and 4 (but this is also a matter of taste). I think in 
the future, some thought needs to go into this in this with respect to 
future TM development.  It's always a balance of keeping it 
simple/non-bloated but also giving you the possibilities you want.

Like Allan mentioned, I think in the long run a preferences system of 
some kind (and maybe integrated with an editor for language 
stuff/syntax highlight) is unavoidable. But that said, I really like 
the ability to quickly change behaviour settings around like now :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From james at spahr.org  Thu Oct  7 14:03:50 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:03:50 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>


I started out wanting to create a syntax coloring system that would 
allow more styling in the html than the current PHP implementation 
while having a visible difference between the html and the template 
logic (Smarty). The dark background was a result of this goal. Let me 
explain.

The eye is far more sensitive to lighter colors than to darker ones. 
This means that is is easier for the eye to see different colors when 
the colors are brighter. Having bright colors on a light background 
creates poor contrast, which everyone can agree is horrid for 
readability.

Switching to a dark background allows the use of a color palette that 
is easier to distinguish. Another benefit of using light type on a dark 
background is that (according to our eye) light areas on a page expand. 
So the type gets a little bit bolder when it is light on dark (that's 
optically, to our eye) -- and that helps in color differentiation.

I should also state that these work for me, probably more based on my 
typeface choice than any sort of personal bais. (I'm using Vera Sans 
Mono). I've never coded on a dark background before, but I'm finding it 
very comfortable. I originally tried very hard to get something 
handsome and functional on a light background -- I failed miserably, so 
this is why I have a dark background.


> I just downloaded the PHP & Smarty syntax bundle, and found that it 
> too was based on a dark background.  Can someone please explain this 
> seeming 'obsession' with dark backgrounds when 99% of all other apps 
> are the basic white background with black/coloured text ???
>
> What is it that I don't get about it ???  (I personally find it very 
> hard to read text that way.)
>

James.



From thaddeus at dm1.com  Thu Oct  7 14:06:06 2004
From: thaddeus at dm1.com (Thaddeus J. Quintin)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 10:06:06 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Yank not working
Message-ID: <41654D4E.30004@dm1.com>

I just downloaded TextMate and am pretty happy with it.  Since it is a 
Cocoa app, all of the standard MacOSX key bindings come with it!  I've 
used emacs as a text editor for years and can't break away from the 
basic editing commands.

I created my own TextMate keybinding file, as noted in the help section, 
and resolved an issue with '^f' not being bound to 'move cursor 
forward'.  The only other thing that I can't seem to figure out is '^y'. 
  When used with '^k' I should be able to 'kill' to the end of a line, 
then 'yank' that text out of the kill ring.  It's a quick and dirty 
cut-and-paste option that's very much ingrained.  I can't find any key 
bindings that override this behavior, but it doesn't seem to work.

Any ideas?

Thaddeus


From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 14:07:59 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:07:59 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate first impression (longish)
In-Reply-To: <4164824E.3070100@allinthehead.com>
References: <8FAD8640-17E7-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<9AF360F0-17ED-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<4164824E.3070100@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <4B64CA9D-186A-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 07/10/2004, at 9:39 AM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>>> Oh, and one final comment: I *R*E*A*L*L*Y* *H*A*T*E* the icon. It's
>>> butt ugly. Really. Heck, you have John 'Magic' Marstall on the 
>>> mailing
>>> list, I'm pretty sure he could do something about this :))
>> Yes, but this icon is what the budget allowed MacroMates to come up 
>> with... I don't think it's ugly btw, but maybe a little na?ve.... I 
>> don't know, I guess there are different opinions :-).
>
> I would gladly donate to a specific "new icon" fund.
>
> I keep my dock quite small, and the icon just looks like a nasty brown 
> blur.

I agree.  I've got my thinking cap on, and have some ideas already... 
will talk to Allan when I next see him online.  I still really like it 
at large sizes, but at small sizes, it's lost in the dock.

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But really, there's more pressing issues than the icon... There's 
nothing stopping you from using your own in the meantime, and 
submitting it as an alternative for Allan to review :)

Justin

From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct  7 14:14:45 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:14:45 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Snippets, and Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <CA0907D8-1834-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<CA0907D8-1834-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3D2ED3B4-186B-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 07/10/2004, at 5:44 PM, timothy martens wrote:

>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 8:52 AM, Noel D.Jackson wrote:
>
>> I've already submitted this to "the boys", however I figured i'd 
>> bring it up here.
>>
>> For a snippet, there should be a variable say "$s" that references 
>> the text selected when the snippet was acted on, so that say, if I 
>> select noel at noeljackson.com and click on my href snippet, it will 
>> replace $s with noel at noeljackson.com, allowing easy creation of 
>> headers etc in HTML without going back, or creating macros.
>
> Agreed, a selected text variable is a must. I hope we can get this 
> high on the version 1.2 list please

In the meantime, I use Macros for this... in fact, check out "Selection 
as Anchor" in the Macro's list (Ctl-Shift-L as well).  It will turn the 
current word or selected text into an <a href... link.  It works with 
both words and email address'.

noel at noeljackson.com => <a 
href="mailto:noel at noeljackson.com">noel at noeljackson.com</a>
about => <a href="about.html">about</a>

Incidently, I think I'll change the name of "Selection as Anchor" to 
"Make HTML Link" in 1.01, since everyone seems to overlook it.


Justin



From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 14:18:31 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:18:31 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
Message-ID: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

I've been trying out TextMate to decide whether it's worth purchasing. 
One thing has happened twice when writing php with it. My best guess is 
that it's an encoding problem of some sort. For some reason when I 
create new document in TextMate SOMETIMES php refuses to parse the 
document at all, in fact even if I try inserting some test html code, 
it also doesn't parse. What I end up with in the browser is an empty 
page. Viewing the source reveals this to be so. I've tried reopening 
the document with new encoding from the file menu... I've also reverted 
to trying to convert the encoding in bbedit and yet it still doesn't 
load in the browser. This only happens sometimes. Other times, there 
are no problems with the php file. I've combed through the faulty files 
for script errors and debugged the code thoroughly, it isn't a problem 
with the code. So far I haven't been able to pinpoint what the 
difference is between the files that have no problems and the faulty 
ones. The ONLY solution was completely writing the exact same code in a 
new document in bbedit.

I want desperately to leave bbedit for textmate, but this issue is a 
major bump in the road for me. Anybody else have a similar problem? Any 
suggestions? Maybe something I'm missing?

Thanks

Mike





From brent.bourgoine at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 14:20:33 2004
From: brent.bourgoine at gmail.com (Brent Bourgoine)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:20:33 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <1524D472-185E-11D9-B5DB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1524D472-185E-11D9-B5DB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <31a2592c04100707202a1e65f8@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:40:34 +0200, Sune Foldager <cryo at diku.dk> wrote:
> On 7/10-2004, at 14:34, Johan S?rensen wrote:
> 
> > It's dark times these days! ;)
> 
> Hehe... Yes maybe, but actually I like the dark (not black)
> backgrounds. Especially on C and C++, since it allows you to use both
> black and white as highlight colors for syntax :-).

Agree 100% (although I do most of my hacking in PHP and Perl ;P )

> > Personally I think that something like background/foreground colour
> > should be global and not per-language basis. But the syntax system
> > will apparently get some kind of overhaul in a Future Version? I
> > believe...
> 
> Yes but making those global can easily interfere with different
> languages. Of course if ALL your highlights use a black-on-white
> approach, maybe not... but then you want a teal background and some
> syntax highlight uses it as a foreground, etc. A more feasible
> approach, I think, is to make colors for syntax highlight in general
> more "global" in the sense that you can gather (named) colors in one
> place, and use them in all highlight bundles. I believe something like
> that (although not necessarily in that form) is on the idea-board for
> SyntaxHighlight-ng?.

What would be most useful for me, and seems to work out pretty well in
other apps is a set of "types" of text to get colored, and global
defaults for those types (this may be what you were getting at with
"(named) colors")  For example:

Default Background
Default Foreground
Comments
Constants
Variable names
Quoted Strings
Function/Subroutine names
etc...

...and then the syntax-highlight-definitions would call upon those types.

Now admittedly, some of those may not apply to all types of files, and
for certain types you might want to customize the colors on a
per-highlight-type basis, but it'd at least let people put in their
"preferred" base colors.

Was that what you were getting at, or were you talking about something
different?

-b3

-- 
Brent Bourgoine
brent.bourgoine at gmail.com


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 14:25:52 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:25:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <31a2592c04100707202a1e65f8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1524D472-185E-11D9-B5DB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<31a2592c04100707202a1e65f8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC8282F-186C-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 16:20, Brent Bourgoine wrote:
> What would be most useful for me, and seems to work out pretty well in
> other apps is a set of "types" of text to get colored, and global
> defaults for those types (this may be what you were getting at with
> "(named) colors")  For example:
>
> Default Background
> Default Foreground
> Comments
> Constants
> Variable names
> Quoted Strings
> Function/Subroutine names
> etc...
>
> ...and then the syntax-highlight-definitions would call upon those 
> types.
> Was that what you were getting at, or were you talking about something
> different?

At least this is something similar to what _I_ think is a good idea in 
the future.. perhabs not quite in that form, but.. something like that 
at least :-). I'll discuss it with Allan sometime also.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 14:36:13 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:36:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <CAC8282F-186C-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<6890597404100705341fe69bed@mail.gmail.com>
	<1524D472-185E-11D9-B5DB-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<31a2592c04100707202a1e65f8@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC8282F-186C-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <3D163798-186E-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

I just sent a proposal to Allan about an extension to the Syntax system 
to allow for global repositories for styles and colors.. essentially, 
this would allow the syntax files to use named items for colors and 
styles, and the user can then change everything from dark to bright 
very easily. This is similar to what several people proposed here. The 
mail I sent to Allan is in danish so I won't quote it, but.... it's 
quite similar to what Brent Bourgoine suggested :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From jimm at io.com  Thu Oct  7 15:41:21 2004
From: jimm at io.com (Jim Menard)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:41:21 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <416563A1.6060607@io.com>

Justin,

> Languages:

When editing Ruby code, everything after the first "/" in code turns
yellow. For example, in the code

class Foo
	def bletch(num)
		@foo = num / 12
	end
end

everything from the "/" to the end of the file is yellow.

Jim
-- 
Jim Menard, jimm at io.com, http://www.io.com/~jimm



From jimm at io.com  Thu Oct  7 15:45:00 2004
From: jimm at io.com (Jim Menard)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 11:45:00 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax coloring and "/"
In-Reply-To: <4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
References: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
	<4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
Message-ID: <4165647C.8030303@io.com>

Gavin Kistner wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 5:57 AM, Jim Menard wrote:
> 
>>When editing Ruby code, everything after the first "/" in code turns 
>>yellow. For example, in the code
>>
>>class Foo
>>	def bletch(num)
>>		@foo = num / 12
>>	end
>>end
>>
>>everything from the "/" to the end of the file is yellow.
> 
> 
> Looks to me like it thinks it's a regexp literal.
> 
> Probably changing the syntax coloring for regexp literals to require a 
> non-space after them would do it.

Nope. The following could wouldn't work:

	foo =~ / space_at_front/

Jim
-- 
Jim Menard, jimm at io.com, http://www.io.com/~jimm



From james at spahr.org  Thu Oct  7 15:55:03 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:55:03 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] sftp/ftp-support and external clients
In-Reply-To: <A6063E68-17C7-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <8c05e65704100604553e80cba9@mail.gmail.com>
	<8A73E0AE-178F-11D9-AFEA-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<A6063E68-17C7-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <4062362C-1879-11D9-AA54-000A95CCD3A2@spahr.org>


I'd like to voice my desire to have better apple event/applescript in 
textmate.

Essentially the external editor api is a set of apple event classes -- 
and besides being able to play nice with ftp clients you'll also get 
the ability to use Textmate as an external editor for all sorts of apps 
like Dreamweaver and Xcode.

At minimum I'd like to be able to get and set the text from any open 
document, and get the cursor location/selection from the frontmost 
document.

It's more about allowing TextMate to play well with others. Having a 
decent applescript dictionary makes TextMate useful in so many more 
situations then you can think of.

On Oct 6, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

>> SFTP support is planned for version 1.1. And unlike most editors that 
>> merely integrate with Transmit or other existing programs, the plan 
>> is to have support from within TextMate.
>
>> There's no immediate plans to support the regular, unsecure version 
>> of FTP. But it all depends on what the community around TextMate is 
>> most interested in.
>
> I think that above SFTP, FTP is a necessity. Unless you use TextDrive 
> for EVERYTHING, which some of us just can't (clients don't all have a 
> super webhost), we need support for both.
>
> Likewise, a built in FTP client is cool, but I want this editor to 
> work just as well with Transmit and YummyFTP and Interarchy as BBEdit 
> did. In fact, if it doesn't, I'm back to working with BBEdit, even 
> though as it stands I still have to (for editing files ON the server).
>
> A bunch of small programs working well together is better than one app 
> that does it all.

James.



From ryan.platte at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 15:56:45 2004
From: ryan.platte at gmail.com (Ryan Platte)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:56:45 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
	<580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0410070856240f4c5b@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 00:10:17 +0200, Carl-Johan Kihlbom <extra at newcode.se> wrote:
> I don't agree, but I see where you're coming from. I think I'll just
> have to start a Preferences for TextMate petition :-D Who's with me?!

Me and Apple Computer, Inc., for starters.

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 01:35:01 +0200, Sune Foldager <cryo at diku.dk> wrote:
> > Yes, it annoyed me. It doesn't take much to knock a user off his
> > stride.
> 
> I'm sorry to hear that.

I'm discouraged by this thread, I hope TextMate won't be another
product whose developers think they know better than Apple's UI team
AND negatively-surprised users.

Like, say, BBEdit.

:-(

Please, guys, don't make us argue the carefully-considered conventions
of Mac software to you; we're potential customers who need software
that fits us. You've created something that fits your needs and
aesthetics, which is a great start. Now adapt it to suit your target
audience (all of whom are Mac users, by the by) without ruining it for
yourselves, and the world will have another piece of great software
instead of another mediocre wanna-be.

If you don't understand folks' objections to abandoning conventions
from the Apple HIG, please explain why your way is an *improvement* --
right now all we know is that it's different, and that's apparently
not enough for some of us who understand the separation of document
state and application state that the Preferences window makes
explicit. What problem does this deviance from user expectations
solve?

Thanks for your great work so far.

-- 
Ryan Platte


From james at spahr.org  Thu Oct  7 16:02:17 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:02:17 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] text folding bug?
Message-ID: <42E8F56C-187A-11D9-AA54-000A95CCD3A2@spahr.org>


When you have a block of text like this:

	<ul>
		<li><a {if $section eq "orders-pending"}class="current" {/if}
				href="/admin.php/orders-pending">Pending Orders</a></li>
				
		<li><a {if $section eq "orders-pending"}class="current" {/if}
				href="/admin.php/orders">Search Orders</a></li>
		</ul>

the </ul> doesn't register as a closing tag because it is not at the 
same tab level as the <ul>. In other words, the above doesn't work, but 
this does:

	<ul>
		<li><a {if $section eq "orders-pending"}class="current" {/if}
				href="/admin.php/orders-pending">Pending Orders</a></li>
				
		<li><a {if $section eq "orders-pending"}class="current" {/if}
				href="/admin.php/orders">Search Orders</a></li>
	</ul>



James.



From hrisnik at iit.edu  Thu Oct  7 16:02:45 2004
From: hrisnik at iit.edu (Nick Hristov)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:02:45 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: undo/redo
Message-ID: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>

I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but the undo/redo 
functionality needs improvements. What bothers me is that the undo 
functionality will "undo" stuff character-by-character, and not by 
block. I want block undos. Ideally, I would like to have more of a 
VIM-like undo functionality.

You may wonder what would be defined as a "block undo"? One definition 
would be: any time when I type in text (or remote text with the 
backspace/delete) would be one block. When I move the mouse, or use the 
arrow keys, or use PGUP,PGDOWN, etc. the undo block would end.

Nick



From wdnx at unm.edu  Thu Oct  7 16:03:27 2004
From: wdnx at unm.edu (William Douglas Neumann)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:03:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TextMate] My first impression (mostly syntax coloring issues)
In-Reply-To: <4165647C.8030303@io.com>
References: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
	<4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<4165647C.8030303@io.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410070952250.18096@deneb.unm.edu>

OK, I've just recently downloaded TextMate and have so far only used it
for woking on a new OCaml bundle for TextMate (I'll let ya'll know whan
it's finished), but here are some of my impressions (mostly centered
around the syntax section of the bundles).

1: Well, I'm pretty sure it's already passed BBEdit in my eyes -- BBEdit
is really nice for doing HTMLish stuff, but not so good for general 
programming or even *TeX work -- TM seems to be much more flexible.

2: Am I wrong, or are the start/stop folding markers only available as a
single pair?  I would love to be able to supply a list of pairs to mark
folds.  For example, I would like to fold sections that match the
following regex pairs (and probably others as well):
 	\<let\>.*(?!\<in\>),(in|;;)$
 	\<struct\>,end(;;)?
 	\<sig\>,end(;;)?
 	\<object\>,end(;;)?

So that, given the following OCaml snippets:

          Nested function                     Class definition
----------------------------------   --------------------------------
  1:  let f x y =                       1:  class c =
  2:    let g z = z * x + y in          2:    object
  3:    let h p r =                     3:      val mutable x
  4:      if x > y then                 4:      method moveSq y =
  5:        begin                       5:        let sq x = x * x in
  6:          p := g !p;                6:        x <- x + (sq y)
  7:          r := g !r;                7:      method where = x
  8:          g x                       8:    end
  9:        end
10:      else
11:        g y in
12:    h (ref (g 0)) (ref (g 1));;

In the nested function, I can fold lines 3-11 and/or 1-12 without worrying 
about the end in line 9 short circuiting things, and similarly, with the 
class definition, I'd like to be able to fold lines 2-8 without worrying 
about the in from line 5 short circuiting things.

Right now, these are sort of saved by the whole "same indent level" 
constraint, but that also keeps me from easily doing things like folding 
1-11 of the nested function.  Since folding is naturally a pair oriented 
thing, using lists of stop start markers would make writing/modifying fold 
definitions a breeze (i.e. no more super hairy regexes).

3: I'd like to second, third, or nth the suggestion of global names for 
colors and text styles.  I really like the way Vim does it, separating 
color schemes from syntax/indentation schemes.

4: I'd also like to see a decreaseIndentPattern available as well.  For 
example, in the snippets above, the lines with end or method  should be 
able to automatically snap back to the proper indentation when I type them 
in.  I really think Vim has it dead on when it comes to the flexibility of 
syntax, indent, and color definitions -- you guys should really take a 
look at what they've done.

5: Damn it's hard to see the line wrap indicator... Please make it more 
visible.

6: Ummm... how do I print from TM?  And if you do add printing, I would 
*love* the ability to pass the text through something like a2ps or 
enscript before printing it, without having to resort to writing a command 
to do it.

Well, my memory seems to be shot at the moment, so I'll stop the list 
there, but I'll keep plugging away at TM to see if I can finally unseat 
Vim as my everyday text editor.

And if anyone knows an easy workaround to any of the above issues, please 
help a poor doofus out and let me know what they are...

William D. Neumann
<wdnx at unm.edu>

---
Dear Lord, please make me the kind of person
my dog thinks I am.


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 16:09:30 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:09:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0410070856240f4c5b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
	<580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<2f1a1dcb0410070856240f4c5b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <451128F7-187B-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 17:56, Ryan Platte wrote:
> I'm discouraged by this thread, I hope TextMate won't be another
> product whose developers think they know better than Apple's UI team
> AND negatively-surprised users.

Yes well... read these quotes from Allan, earlier in this thread:

 >>>

I'm getting slapped with AHIG a lot, but no-one provides any quotes, so  
here are some.

Regarding preferences in general:  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/ 
AppleSWDesign/UsingTechnologies/chapter_7_section_6.html

[...] avoid implementing all the preferences you can think of. Instead,  
focus your preferences on the features users might really want to  
modify.

A preference should be a setting that the user changes infrequently. If  
a user might change the attributes of a feature many times in a work  
session, avoid using preferences to set those attributes. Instead, give  
the user modeless access to the controls for modifying that feature.  
For example, you might implement the feature using a menu item or a  
control in a palette or window.

[...]

Regarding the View menu, which I use for most options:  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/UserExperience/Conceptual/ 
OSXHIGuidelines/XHIGMenus/chapter_7_section_4.html#//apple_ref/doc/uid/ 
TP30000356/TPXREF148

The View menu provides commands that affect what users see in a window.  
In the Finder, for example, the View menu contains commands for  
displaying windows as columns, icons, or lists. Commands for showing,  
hiding, and customizing a toolbar belong in the View menu [...]

<<<

Maybe YOU people should start comming up with some argumentative quotes  
and references from the AHIG :-).

> Please, guys, don't make us argue the carefully-considered conventions
> of Mac software to you; we're potential customers who need software
> that fits us. You've created something that fits your needs and
> aesthetics, which is a great start. Now adapt it to suit your target
> audience (all of whom are Mac users, by the by) without ruining it for
> yourselves, and the world will have another piece of great software
> instead of another mediocre wanna-be.

Believe it or not, a _lot_ of people like the preferences the way they  
are now.. I don't think you speak for the entire target audience, while  
I do acknowledge that several people on this list have complained about  
the lack of a prefs window.

> If you don't understand folks' objections to abandoning conventions
> from the Apple HIG, please explain why your way is an *improvement* --  
> [...]

I believe Allans post and also previous posts from him and me explain  
our argument well.

> What problem does this deviance from user expectations
> solve?

Deviance from _some_ users expectations. What it solves or rather why  
it has been chosen is explained elsewhere, in Allans earlier post etc.

> Thanks for your great work so far.

Just a note: I am not speaking for Allan here, and I am not on the  
payroll for Macromates. I am 'just' a friend of Allan.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
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From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 16:11:44 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:11:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: undo/redo
In-Reply-To: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <9563DEFA-187B-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 18:02, Nick Hristov wrote:

> I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but the undo/redo 
> functionality needs improvements. What bothers me is that the undo 
> functionality will "undo" stuff character-by-character, and not by 
> block.

Ok.. but "needs improvement" is then a subjective feeling I suppose. I 
don't think it "needs improvement" by that definition. A possibility 
for setting it to block undo wouldn't be bad though.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From textmate at 43folders.com  Thu Oct  7 16:26:27 2004
From: textmate at 43folders.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:26:27 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
Message-ID: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>

Hey,

This might have come up already, but I think it would helpful to have a 
single page that collects (or at least points to) all the available 
add-ons folks have put together for TextMate, such as bundles, 
syntaxes, snippets, and so on. A two-line summary of what it does (with 
screenshots where possible) would also be great.

I agree that the power of TextMate comes from unlocking its _insane_ 
amount of configurability. But, I also suspect that some of the 
nay-sayers--especially those less experienced with the power of a 
shell--would be much more inspired if they saw what they could *do* 
with TM (without having to build the actual widgets themselves).

For inspiration, I think Alcor has done a nice job with [Quicksilver's 
plug-in page][1], which folks can sort by alpha, popularity, or update 
freshness. Best of all, users can click to install any of the plug-ins 
right from that page. Takes a lot of the mystery out of the process.

Just one data point. If ya'all need help with bandwidth or what have 
you, please let me know how I can pitch in. I am, as the kids say, a 
fan.


     [1]: http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/plugins.php (Quicksilver's 
plug-in page)


--   
Merlin Mann
43Folders.com




From andrew at article7.co.uk  Thu Oct  7 16:41:42 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:41:42 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <451128F7-187B-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
	<580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<2f1a1dcb0410070856240f4c5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<451128F7-187B-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041007174142323252.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:09:30 +0200, Sune Foldager wrote:

> The View menu provides commands that affect what users see in a
> window.

That's fine. The problem is that those commands also affect what users
see in every new window created thereafter.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Thu Oct  7 16:44:51 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:44:51 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] How to fix HTML syntax yourself
Message-ID: <357E6BC2-1880-11D9-A5DF-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>

Well this will certainly be fixed in the upcoming version (Justin  
already said so) and he pointed out what was wrong but here is how you  
can easily get HTML syntax working now:

Go to:
/Applications/TextMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/ 
HTML.tmbundle/Syntaxes/html.plist

then edit lines 62 and 64 by swapping the styles and script names. It  
should look like this in the end:

		/*{ name = "Embedded JavaScript"; backgroundColor = "#E5E5E5"; begin  
= "<(?i:script)\\>"; end = "</(?i:script)>"; },*/
		{
			name = "Embedded CSS"; 		backgroundColor = "#E5E5E5"; begin =  
"<(?i:style)\\>"; end = "</(?i:style)>";
			patterns = (
				{ include = "CSS"; }
			);
		
		},


Later,

Eric Curtis



From subscriber at ampede.com  Thu Oct  7 17:01:27 2004
From: subscriber at ampede.com (Eric Ocean)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:01:27 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
Message-ID: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>

I agree that not having the Prefereces... command is bad, in that it's 
confusing.

Having said that, I understand why it's not there.

So, to please both camps, have the Preferences... menu item launch a 
help window/assistant that explains the preferences philosophy of 
TextMate, along with visuals on where to find them (the specific 
menus), and how the TextMate approach makes sense for what TextMate 
does.

That will eliminate the number one problem encountered by new users, 
and also get them quickly up to speed about TextMate's underlying 
philosophy.

"Show, don't tell."

Regards,

Eric Ocean



From scott at elitists.net  Thu Oct  7 17:10:19 2004
From: scott at elitists.net (Scott Barron)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:10:19 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: undo/redo
In-Reply-To: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
Message-ID: <20041007171018.GA6300@elitists.net>

On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 11:02:45AM -0500, Nick Hristov wrote:
> I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but the undo/redo 
> functionality needs improvements. What bothers me is that the undo 
> functionality will "undo" stuff character-by-character, and not by 
> block. I want block undos. Ideally, I would like to have more of a 
> VIM-like undo functionality.

I don't think I put this on my list that I sent out but I second it
wholeheartedly.  One character at a time is _very_ off-putting.  I like
vim style as well.

-Scott


From ryan.platte at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 17:11:50 2004
From: ryan.platte at gmail.com (Ryan Platte)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:11:50 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences window (was ProFont)
In-Reply-To: <451128F7-187B-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<416476C4.8090304@allinthehead.com>
	<0EAA5DAD-17EE-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41648085.4070406@allinthehead.com>
	<580DA2F2-17F0-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<2f1a1dcb0410070856240f4c5b@mail.gmail.com>
	<451128F7-187B-11D9-9E92-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0410071011fd13877@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sune,

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 18:09:30 +0200, Sune Foldager <cryo at diku.dk> wrote:
> On 7/10-2004, at 17:56, Ryan Platte wrote:
> > I'm discouraged by this thread, I hope TextMate won't be another
> > product whose developers think they know better than Apple's UI team
> > AND negatively-surprised users.
> 
> Yes well... read these quotes from Allan, earlier in this thread:

I apologize; I leaned too heavily on Gmail's threading, which put
Allan's comments in another "conversation", since the subject line
changed. I should have caught up before posting.

But it does bother me when developers respond to user comments &
criticism in an opposing way, rather than facilitating a valuable
discussion that can improve and/or focus the product. If somebody's so
passionate about a product as to write about it, they may be annoying,
but they represent a potential fan base, and at least free market
research, both of which are like gold if the goal is widespread
adoption.

> A preference should be a setting that the user changes infrequently. If
> a user might change the attributes of a feature many times in a work
> session, avoid using preferences to set those attributes.

As has been discussed, several of the menu items are "personal
preference" choices rather than "temporary setting" choices, hence do
have a place in a Preferences window.

> Maybe YOU people should start comming up with some argumentative quotes
> and references from the AHIG :-).

Touche.

I'll work from:
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/AppleSWDesign/UsingTechnologies/chapter_7_section_6.html

My comments are prefaced with dashes.

"Preference settings are user-defined parameters that your software
remembers from session to session. Preferences can be a way for your
application to offer choices to users about how the application runs.
Preferences often affect the behavior of the application or the
default appearance of content created with the application.

"To reduce the complexity of your application, be picky about which
features should have preferences and which should not. The key is to
implement preferences only for those features that your users are
likely to find useful. In other words, avoid implementing all the
preferences you can think of. Instead, focus your preferences on the
features users might really want to modify."

-- I read the above paragraphs to mean that prefs are expected to be
the main mechanism for persistent changes. This isn't explicit, but
since the Preferences item is a standard element of Aqua, I hope
you'll allow that it's reasonable to understand this as an explanation
of which things should go there. Note that up to this point the
discussion of what to include in the prefs is what complexity to
expose to the user, not where to put complexity.

"A preference should be a setting that the user changes infrequently.
If a user might change the attributes of a feature many times in a
work session, avoid using preferences to set those attributes.
Instead, give the user modeless access to the controls for modifying
that feature. For example, you might implement the feature using a
menu item or a control in a palette or window."

-- And (according to my reading and understanding) here's the
criterion for whether something should be a pref vs. attribute
modified through another UI element: how often does it change? To me,
the distinction is clear, if poorly elucidated: prefs are persistent;
state changes through other UI elements are temporary.

> > Now adapt it to suit your target
> > audience (all of whom are Mac users, by the by) without ruining it for
> > yourselves...
> 
> Believe it or not, a _lot_ of people like the preferences the way they
> are now.. I don't think you speak for the entire target audience, while
> I do acknowledge that several people on this list have complained about
> the lack of a prefs window.

Of course there are those who like the current design -- after all,
the developers chose to do it a way they liked. My mention that all
are Mac users was intended to point to the fact that no-one would be
surprised at a Preferences window, while many will be surprised and
confused on various occasions at its absence.

> > What problem does this deviance from user expectations
> > solve?
> 
> Deviance from _some_ users expectations. What it solves or rather why
> it has been chosen is explained elsewhere, in Allans earlier post etc.

OK, deviance from Aqua. And no, I don't think there's been an
explanation of what problem it solves, although I've certainly been
wrong before, in fact, just a few minutes ago, I recall.   ;-)   Why
it was chosen, I understand. I'm asking a different question.

-- 
Ryan Platte


From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct  7 17:14:05 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:14:05 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Snippets, and Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <3D2ED3B4-186B-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<CA0907D8-1834-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<3D2ED3B4-186B-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <4B17AE70-1884-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Making macros for every header list item, and paragraphs takes forever! 
lol

On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:14 AM, Justin French wrote:

> In the meantime, I use Macros for this... in fact, check out 
> "Selection as Anchor" in the Macro's list (Ctl-Shift-L as well).  It 
> will turn the current word or selected text into an <a href... link.  
> It works with both words and email address'.
>
> noel at noeljackson.com => <a 
> href="mailto:noel at noeljackson.com">noel at noeljackson.com</a>
> about => <a href="about.html">about</a>
>
> Incidently, I think I'll change the name of "Selection as Anchor" to 
> "Make HTML Link" in 1.01, since everyone seems to overlook it.
>
>
> Justin

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From ryanpc at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 17:29:35 2004
From: ryanpc at gmail.com (Ryan Christensen)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:29:35 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
Message-ID: <a8605ed804100710292613d211@mail.gmail.com>

This has my +1.. it would have solved the initial confusion for me.

Ryan

> That will eliminate the number one problem encountered by new users,
> and also get them quickly up to speed about TextMate's underlying
> philosophy.


From john at firewheeldesign.com  Thu Oct  7 17:43:45 2004
From: john at firewheeldesign.com (John Marstall)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:43:45 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
Message-ID: <6FBFEB15-1888-11D9-A9C5-000393D72654@firewheeldesign.com>

Brilliant suggestion.

John

On Oct 7, 2004, at 12:01 PM, Eric Ocean wrote:

> I agree that not having the Prefereces... command is bad, in that it's 
> confusing.
>
> Having said that, I understand why it's not there.
>
> So, to please both camps, have the Preferences... menu item launch a 
> help window/assistant that explains the preferences philosophy of 
> TextMate, along with visuals on where to find them (the specific 
> menus), and how the TextMate approach makes sense for what TextMate 
> does.
>
> That will eliminate the number one problem encountered by new users, 
> and also get them quickly up to speed about TextMate's underlying 
> philosophy.
>
> "Show, don't tell."
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric Ocean
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From jholland88 at comcast.net  Thu Oct  7 17:58:17 2004
From: jholland88 at comcast.net (Jeff Holland)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:58:17 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Regular Expressions Reference
Message-ID: <777514D8-188A-11D9-81DA-000393D56BE4@comcast.net>

Hello all,

It's clear that the more familiar you are with regular expressions, the 
more productive you can be with TM. If you could use some additional 
help (beyond what's already in the TM help), here is a site that I've 
found useful:

http://www.regular-expressions.info/

I'm sure others will have some favorite regex sites/books of their own 
to recommend.

Cheers,
-jeff



From ryan.platte at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 18:05:25 2004
From: ryan.platte at gmail.com (Ryan Platte)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:05:25 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
Message-ID: <2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:01:27 -0700, Eric Ocean <subscriber at ampede.com> wrote:
> have the Preferences... menu item launch a
> help window/assistant that explains the preferences philosophy of
> TextMate, along with visuals on where to find them (the specific
> menus), and how the TextMate approach makes sense for what TextMate
> does.
> 
> That will eliminate the number one problem encountered by new users,
> and also get them quickly up to speed about TextMate's underlying
> philosophy.
> 
> "Show, don't tell."

You're suggesting explanatory text -- which would seem to map to
telling more than showing.

The need to explain something to users is a sign that there's a design
problem to be corrected. Given that Allan has said a Preferences item
is inevitable, shouldn't that just be introduced instead of
implemented as an explanation for why it's not there?

If there must be an explanation, why not just make it the first
tip-of-the-day the user sees?

-- 
Ryan Platte


From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 18:16:07 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:16:07 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

The fact of the matter regarding preferences is that it's expected in 
all software.... mac, pc or anything else, it doesn't matter. 
Preferences are simply a standard part of software usability design.

I also think that if needs to be explained, then there is definitely a 
design flaw.


Peace
Mike


On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:05 PM, Ryan Platte wrote:

> On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:01:27 -0700, Eric Ocean <subscriber at ampede.com> 
> wrote:
>> have the Preferences... menu item launch a
>> help window/assistant that explains the preferences philosophy of
>> TextMate, along with visuals on where to find them (the specific
>> menus), and how the TextMate approach makes sense for what TextMate
>> does.
>>
>> That will eliminate the number one problem encountered by new users,
>> and also get them quickly up to speed about TextMate's underlying
>> philosophy.
>>
>> "Show, don't tell."
>
> You're suggesting explanatory text -- which would seem to map to
> telling more than showing.
>
> The need to explain something to users is a sign that there's a design
> problem to be corrected. Given that Allan has said a Preferences item
> is inevitable, shouldn't that just be introduced instead of
> implemented as an explanation for why it's not there?
>
> If there must be an explanation, why not just make it the first
> tip-of-the-day the user sees?
>
> -- 
> Ryan Platte
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 18:27:27 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:27:27 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] window tab controls
Message-ID: <8A910561-188E-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

Other comments have been made about them being non-standard. I don't 
see a problem with that, they behave differently than other 
implementations. My only comment is the amount of space the take up. 
They really seem unnecessarily large particularly along the vertical 
axis. Something more along the proportions of the items on the 
bookmarks bar in Safari would be most welcome!



From subscriber at ampede.com  Thu Oct  7 18:32:23 2004
From: subscriber at ampede.com (Eric Ocean)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:32:23 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>


On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:

> I also think that if needs to be explained, then there is definitely a 
> design flaw.

I'm not sure where this bit of "wisdom" originated, but it's simply not 
true. I'm not sure how many of TextMate's user base have used more 
complex, task-specific software (such as a $600,000 video editor) where 
efficiency is paramount, but I have yet to encounter a professionally 
useful software application that did not require explanation as to how 
to use it. I consider TextMate to be geared towards professionals who 
essentially create and edit structured text for a living. I fully 
expect TextMate to require explanation, if it is to be truly as 
efficient as say, vim or Emacs. Indeed it must, because both those apps 
have a very strong conceptual framework that they work in.

Giving a preferences explanation after invoking the Preferences menu 
command is simply a convenient time to explain a feature (not a design 
flaw, at least as far as the creator's are concerned) of TextMate at a 
time when the user is likely to be extremely receptive to such 
information. (A tip-of-the-day is for, well, tips?not the application's 
philosophy of use.)

What most people mean by a "design flaw" is something that "once you 
understand the application (which hopefully didn't take much 
time/effort)", doesn't make sense according to that understanding. By 
that metric, the preferences "flaw" in TextMate is not explaining 
TextMate to the user, so that they expected it to be like the other's 
they already knew. There's no harm in explaining things, so long as the 
explanation makes sense. People can learn (and seem to enjoy it, if it 
makes their life better).

The number one job of any UI designer is to establish a "contract" of 
sorts with the user as to how the software works, and then to make damn 
sure that it actually does. That's much harder than it looks, but it's 
where greatness lies. TextMate's developers at least seem to be on the 
path...

Regards,

Eric Ocean
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From thebrier at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 18:32:05 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:32:05 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Yank not working
In-Reply-To: <41654D4E.30004@dm1.com>
References: <41654D4E.30004@dm1.com>
Message-ID: <b44dd666041007113238c743ba@mail.gmail.com>

I too am having a problem getting ^y as "yank" to work.  It seems like
the solution is supposed to be to follow the help instructions and
copy TextMate.app/Contents/Resources/KeyBindings.dict to
~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/KeyBindings.dict and adjust to
taste.

So, in this case, you'd add a line:

    "^y" = "yank:";

However, there seems to be a problem because that's not working.  All
other key changes to this file work, so I'm pretty sure that the yank
operation is being bound.

I think that for some reason ^d, which is bound to deleteToEndOfLine
is not actually adding things to the kill buffer.

According to Apple's documentation at <http://tinyurl.com/5b77u>, all
the delete* commands are supposed to add the deleted text to the kill
buffer for yank to pop out.

Is it possible that adding to the kill buffer is somehow broken in TextMate?

Also interesting, the system default for ^k seems to be
'deleteToEndOfParagraph' instead of 'deleteToEndOfLine' as TextMate
sets it.  If I set it back to 'deleteToEndOfParagraph' it behaves
differently then other Cocoa apps.  It kills a lot more text ...
seemingly all text to the next newline.

That sort of makes sense to me, because that's a paragraph by my
definition.  But the problem is 'deleteToEndOfLine' doesn't behave the
way ^k does in other Cocoa apps.  It kills a line, but once the line
is blank, a second application won't also kill the blank line, as is
usual.  So, I don't know if Cocoa apps bind ^k to something else, or
if 'deleteToEndOfParagraph' is working differently in TextMate than
other Cocoa apps.

Any ideas from anyone or comments from the developers?

Thanks very much.


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 18:36:50 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:36:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
Message-ID: <DA6E1180-188F-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 20:32, Eric Ocean wrote:

> On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>> I also think that if needs to be explained, then there is definitely 
>> a design flaw.
>
> I'm not sure where this bit of "wisdom" originated, but it's simply 
> not true [...]
> [...] The number one job of any UI designer is to establish a 
> "contract" of sorts with the user as to how the software works, and 
> then to make damn sure that it actually does. That's much harder than 
> it looks, but it's where greatness lies. TextMate's developers at 
> least seem to be on the path...

I think your mail is really spot-on, Eric (and not just the part I 
quoted) :-). I also agree that, as long as there is no preferences 
(they won't come up in two days as 1.0.1 or anything like that), it is 
a good solution in the meantime. Now let's see what Allan thinks about 
it :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).

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From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 18:39:30 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:39:30 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
Message-ID: <3983A842-1890-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

No software needs to explain that why there is a lack of 
preferences...even "PROFESSIONAL" software. That's because they HAVE 
preferences. Standard usability. Like I said before. It is a design 
flaw if you need to place an explanation where the preferences should 
be in order to avoid including preferences.

Let's see, if I look for Preferences in the menu and then I have along 
winded explanation why there are no preferences after I've selected the 
"preferences" menu item, that seems to me to be rather useless, better 
off not having preferences in the menu. Of course I still feel strongly 
that there should be a preference pane.



On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:32 PM, Eric Ocean wrote:

>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>
>> I also think that if needs to be explained, then there is definitely 
>> a design flaw.
>
> I'm not sure where this bit of "wisdom" originated, but it's simply 
> not true. I'm not sure how many of TextMate's user base have used more 
> complex, task-specific software (such as a $600,000 video editor) 
> where efficiency is paramount, but I have yet to encounter a 
> professionally useful software application that did not require 
> explanation as to how to use it. I consider TextMate to be geared 
> towards professionals who essentially create and edit structured text 
> for a living. I fully expect TextMate to require explanation, if it is 
> to be truly as efficient as say, vim or Emacs. Indeed it must, because 
> both those apps have a very strong conceptual framework that they work 
> in.
>
> Giving a preferences explanation after invoking the Preferences menu 
> command is simply a convenient time to explain a feature (not a design 
> flaw, at least as far as the creator's are concerned) of TextMate at a 
> time when the user is likely to be extremely receptive to such 
> information. (A tip-of-the-day is for, well, tips?not the 
> application's philosophy of use.)
>
> What most people mean by a "design flaw" is something that "once you 
> understand the application (which hopefully didn't take much 
> time/effort)", doesn't make sense according to that understanding. By 
> that metric, the preferences "flaw" in TextMate is not explaining 
> TextMate to the user, so that they expected it to be like the other's 
> they already knew. There's no harm in explaining things, so long as 
> the explanation makes sense. People can learn (and seem to enjoy it, 
> if it makes their life better).
>
> The number one job of any UI designer is to establish a "contract" of 
> sorts with the user as to how the software works, and then to make 
> damn sure that it actually does. That's much harder than it looks, but 
> it's where greatness lies. TextMate's developers at least seem to be 
> on the path...
>
> Regards,
>
> Eric Ocean
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 18:42:05 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:42:05 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: better support for .textClipping files
Message-ID: <95CDB5D4-1890-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

I hate .textClipping files, they are some kind of bastard 
implementation of a file. They really aren't terribly useable but they 
are easy to create and so show up far too often. I've never looked into 
the format but I don't understand why Apple didn't just make them txt 
or rtf files. Instead they created a specially functioning file that is 
not well supported.


.textClipping files are supported as expected if you drag from the 
Finder to an open document in TextMate, i.e. the contents are inserted 
at the insertion point.

Dropping a .textClipping file on TextMate's app icon opens a new empty 
window with the textClipping's name. Desired behavior would be to 
display the textClipping's contents. Bonus points for making the 
textClipping editable!

Selecting a textClipping in the project drawer displays an empty window 
with the title set to the textClipping file's title. Desired behavior 
would be to display the textClipping's contents. Bonus points for 
making the textClipping editable.

Dragging a textClipping file from a project window to the currently 
displayed document results in no change to the current document. 
Desired behavior is to insert the contents of the textClipping file at 
the insertion point, i.e. the same behavior as dragging from the 
Finder.


thanks for listening!



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 18:43:41 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:43:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <3983A842-1890-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<3983A842-1890-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <CEFA7D50-1890-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Alright, let's give this subject a rest for a while. We are starting to 
hear the same arguments being repeated, and I am not going to 
contribute to that now. Allan is quite burdened with a lot of personal 
mail (about TextMate) at the moment, and has little time to read this 
list. I am helping by keeping him up to date with what seems to be the 
most common discussions.

For now: If you can't stand the editor because of the lack of prefs, 
don't use it. I am not trying to scare people away, but seriously... a 
prefs window is not about to appear in the next four days, so... now 
that you all know it's not there and won't look for it anymore, try to 
see what you can do WITHOUT it. Justin made a good point about this 
earlier as well.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From lists-2003 at alderete.com  Thu Oct  7 18:44:37 2004
From: lists-2003 at alderete.com (Michael A. Alderete)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:44:37 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window
In-Reply-To: <EA8CAC2A-1867-11D9-BEB4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<33E8D02A-1861-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<20041007144233552220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<EA8CAC2A-1867-11D9-BEB4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <p06110401bd8b3cf609a2@[192.168.1.3]>

>[The following is not refering to the current version of TM; it's just
>a general discussion.]
>
>To break it down, you could say that there are four levels on which to
>change settings:
>1. Globally.
>2. Per language.
>3. Per project.
>4. Per file or document.
>
>...and two modes:
>A. Permanent changes.
>B. Temporary changes.
>
>The_most flexible_ system would then be the ability to change on all
>levels, in both modes. In pratice, this is probably not desirable as it
>would bloat the interface almost no matter how it is done.

While it is possible to describe the universe of preference possibilities
in this way, I think what's being advocated (at least by Andrew, and
myself) is much more simple:

1. Global, permanent. This amounts to being a default language, like #2 next.

2. Per language, permanent. A "default" language could take the place of
#1, previous.

3. Per *window*, temporary. These are changes from the permanent settings
that affect a document, which you might enable via the menus, and which
last only until you close the window. Opening the same document again will
revert to the permanent, per-language settings.

I can certainly see the value in a per project settings scope, too, but I'd
suggest it makes sense to see 1-3 above implemented first, since that would
likely cover 80% of what people seem to be advocating here.

And, it's also simpler to do 1-3 (really, 2-3 with a default language),
because they don't involve saving settings per document; all permanent
settings are for the application, even though there are different settings
sets that apply to different documents.

Michael
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Michael A. Alderete           <mailto:lists-2003 at alderete.com>
                                     <http://www.alderete.com>


From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 18:45:48 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:45:48 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Preferences solution
In-Reply-To: <CEFA7D50-1890-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <86E4D484-1882-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<2f1a1dcb0410071105459a7312@mail.gmail.com>
	<F5206062-188C-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3B625B62-188F-11D9-80BA-000A959C51DC@ampede.com>
	<3983A842-1890-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<CEFA7D50-1890-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <1AB57762-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

No one is saying they can't stand the software. Just trying to 
reinforce the fact that preferences should be included in future 
versions.



On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:43 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> Alright, let's give this subject a rest for a while. We are starting 
> to hear the same arguments being repeated, and I am not going to 
> contribute to that now. Allan is quite burdened with a lot of personal 
> mail (about TextMate) at the moment, and has little time to read this 
> list. I am helping by keeping him up to date with what seems to be the 
> most common discussions.
>
> For now: If you can't stand the editor because of the lack of prefs, 
> don't use it. I am not trying to scare people away, but seriously... a 
> prefs window is not about to appear in the next four days, so... now 
> that you all know it's not there and won't look for it anymore, try to 
> see what you can do WITHOUT it. Justin made a good point about this 
> earlier as well.
>
> -- 
> Sune.
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
> http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 18:46:41 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:46:41 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
In-Reply-To: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
References: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

anyone? ideas? similar problems?



On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:

> I've been trying out TextMate to decide whether it's worth purchasing. 
> One thing has happened twice when writing php with it. My best guess 
> is that it's an encoding problem of some sort. For some reason when I 
> create new document in TextMate SOMETIMES php refuses to parse the 
> document at all, in fact even if I try inserting some test html code, 
> it also doesn't parse. What I end up with in the browser is an empty 
> page. Viewing the source reveals this to be so. I've tried reopening 
> the document with new encoding from the file menu... I've also 
> reverted to trying to convert the encoding in bbedit and yet it still 
> doesn't load in the browser. This only happens sometimes. Other times, 
> there are no problems with the php file. I've combed through the 
> faulty files for script errors and debugged the code thoroughly, it 
> isn't a problem with the code. So far I haven't been able to pinpoint 
> what the difference is between the files that have no problems and the 
> faulty ones. The ONLY solution was completely writing the exact same 
> code in a new document in bbedit.
>
> I want desperately to leave bbedit for textmate, but this issue is a 
> major bump in the road for me. Anybody else have a similar problem? 
> Any suggestions? Maybe something I'm missing?
>
> Thanks
>
> Mike
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 18:48:03 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:48:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window
In-Reply-To: <p06110401bd8b3cf609a2@[192.168.1.3]>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<33E8D02A-1861-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<20041007144233552220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<EA8CAC2A-1867-11D9-BEB4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<p06110401bd8b3cf609a2@[192.168.1.3]>
Message-ID: <6B7C8F4C-1891-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 20:44, Michael A. Alderete wrote:

> While it is possible to describe the universe of preference 
> possibilities
> in this way, I think what's being advocated (at least by Andrew, and
> myself) is much more simple:

Alright... just to clarify: I didn't mean that all those posibilities 
had to or should be realised, just listing them all so we have 
something to compare our arguments against :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 18:49:07 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:49:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
In-Reply-To: <3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
References: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <913BE661-1891-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 20:46, Michael Gregoire wrote:
> anyone? ideas? similar problems?

Sounds very weird indeed... I don't know anything about it, but I will 
bring it to Allan's attention when he wakes up ;-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 18:51:17 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:51:17 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
In-Reply-To: <913BE661-1891-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<913BE661-1891-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <DF0B5F9A-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

Thank you :)



On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:49 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 7/10-2004, at 20:46, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>> anyone? ideas? similar problems?
>
> Sounds very weird indeed... I don't know anything about it, but I will 
> bring it to Allan's attention when he wakes up ;-).
>
> -- 
> Sune.
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
> http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct  7 18:51:50 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:51:50 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] window tab controls
In-Reply-To: <8A910561-188E-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <8A910561-188E-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <F2A84140-1891-11D9-A79F-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

To add to this, I'd like the option of instead of needing to create a 
new project to get tabs, I could just drag another file to the tab bar 
and poof, another tab with my document in it, and/or the option to open 
new documents in a new tab (similar to BBEdit 8).

-Noel

On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

> Other comments have been made about them being non-standard. I don't 
> see a problem with that, they behave differently than other 
> implementations. My only comment is the amount of space the take up. 
> They really seem unnecessarily large particularly along the vertical 
> axis. Something more along the proportions of the items on the 
> bookmarks bar in Safari would be most welcome!

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From mando.escamilla at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 18:54:31 2004
From: mando.escamilla at gmail.com (Mando Escamilla)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:54:31 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] window tab controls
In-Reply-To: <F2A84140-1891-11D9-A79F-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <8A910561-188E-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<F2A84140-1891-11D9-A79F-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <4c4d906104100711541a289a9a@mail.gmail.com>

My only complaint about the tabs is that I can't find a hotkey to go
to a specific tab.  The only thing I was able to find was
Apple-Cmd-arrow key to rotate through them.

I'd obviously prefer to create my own mapping, but a key stroke that
will take me directly to tab 4 (for example) would suffice.

--
Mando


On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:51:50 -0400, Noel D. Jackson <noel at noeljackson.com> wrote:
> To add to this, I'd like the option of instead of needing to create a
> new project to get tabs, I could just drag another file to the tab bar
> and poof, another tab with my document in it, and/or the option to open
> new documents in a new tab (similar to BBEdit 8).
> 
> -Noel
> 
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:27 PM, Jeff Ganyard wrote:
> 
> > Other comments have been made about them being non-standard. I don't
> > see a problem with that, they behave differently than other
> > implementations. My only comment is the amount of space the take up.
> > They really seem unnecessarily large particularly along the vertical
> > axis. Something more along the proportions of the items on the
> > bookmarks bar in Safari would be most welcome!
> 
> ----------------------
> noel at noeljackson.com
> http://noeljackson.com
> http://relevantly.com
> ----------------------
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>


From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 18:54:45 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:54:45 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] page down
Message-ID: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

The page down key appears to scroll line by line not page by page.



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 18:54:56 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 20:54:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] window tab controls
In-Reply-To: <F2A84140-1891-11D9-A79F-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <8A910561-188E-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<F2A84140-1891-11D9-A79F-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <615536CE-1892-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 20:51, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> To add to this, I'd like the option of instead of needing to create a 
> new project to get tabs, I could just drag another file to the tab bar 
> and poof, another tab with my document in it, and/or the option to 
> open new documents in a new tab (similar to BBEdit 8).

The project and normal windows will be merged in a future version. This 
is on the todo. There should only be one kind of window (although the 
drawer is of course not needed for non-projects).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From chris at m-audio.com  Thu Oct  7 18:56:59 2004
From: chris at m-audio.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:56:59 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
In-Reply-To: <3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
References: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <AAE985BA-1892-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>

Have you tried directly comparing the successful output from BBEdit and 
equivalent (but failing) output from TextMate:

xxd BBEditDoc.html > bbedit.txt
xxd TextMateDoc.html > textmate.txt
diff -u bbedit.txt textmate.txt

?

Chris

On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:

> anyone? ideas? similar problems?
>
>
>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>
>> I've been trying out TextMate to decide whether it's worth 
>> purchasing. One thing has happened twice when writing php with it. My 
>> best guess is that it's an encoding problem of some sort. For some 
>> reason when I create new document in TextMate SOMETIMES php refuses 
>> to parse the document at all, in fact even if I try inserting some 
>> test html code, it also doesn't parse. What I end up with in the 
>> browser is an empty page. Viewing the source reveals this to be so. 
>> I've tried reopening the document with new encoding from the file 
>> menu... I've also reverted to trying to convert the encoding in 
>> bbedit and yet it still doesn't load in the browser. This only 
>> happens sometimes. Other times, there are no problems with the php 
>> file. I've combed through the faulty files for script errors and 
>> debugged the code thoroughly, it isn't a problem with the code. So 
>> far I haven't been able to pinpoint what the difference is between 
>> the files that have no problems and the faulty ones. The ONLY 
>> solution was completely writing the exact same code in a new document 
>> in bbedit.
>>
>> I want desperately to leave bbedit for textmate, but this issue is a 
>> major bump in the road for me. Anybody else have a similar problem? 
>> Any suggestions? Maybe something I'm missing?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 18:57:09 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:57:09 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: open in separate editor from project
	drawer
Message-ID: <B0E1803B-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

Or whatever you want to call it, being able to open a file from the 
project drawer in a separate window. Sometimes I want to look at things 
side by side.



From mgee at gwi.net  Thu Oct  7 18:58:17 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:58:17 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
In-Reply-To: <AAE985BA-1892-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
References: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<AAE985BA-1892-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
Message-ID: <D969DE14-1892-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

I haven't done that but I will, thanks Chris.


Mike




On Oct 7, 2004, at 2:56 PM, Chris Thomas wrote:

> Have you tried directly comparing the successful output from BBEdit 
> and equivalent (but failing) output from TextMate:
>
> xxd BBEditDoc.html > bbedit.txt
> xxd TextMateDoc.html > textmate.txt
> diff -u bbedit.txt textmate.txt
>
> ?
>
> Chris
>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 11:46 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>
>> anyone? ideas? similar problems?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:18 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>>
>>> I've been trying out TextMate to decide whether it's worth 
>>> purchasing. One thing has happened twice when writing php with it. 
>>> My best guess is that it's an encoding problem of some sort. For 
>>> some reason when I create new document in TextMate SOMETIMES php 
>>> refuses to parse the document at all, in fact even if I try 
>>> inserting some test html code, it also doesn't parse. What I end up 
>>> with in the browser is an empty page. Viewing the source reveals 
>>> this to be so. I've tried reopening the document with new encoding 
>>> from the file menu... I've also reverted to trying to convert the 
>>> encoding in bbedit and yet it still doesn't load in the browser. 
>>> This only happens sometimes. Other times, there are no problems with 
>>> the php file. I've combed through the faulty files for script errors 
>>> and debugged the code thoroughly, it isn't a problem with the code. 
>>> So far I haven't been able to pinpoint what the difference is 
>>> between the files that have no problems and the faulty ones. The 
>>> ONLY solution was completely writing the exact same code in a new 
>>> document in bbedit.
>>>
>>> I want desperately to leave bbedit for textmate, but this issue is a 
>>> major bump in the road for me. Anybody else have a similar problem? 
>>> Any suggestions? Maybe something I'm missing?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> textmate mailing list
>>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 19:01:10 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:01:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Encoding glitch?
In-Reply-To: <D969DE14-1892-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
References: <C431394F-186B-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<3A765961-1891-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
	<AAE985BA-1892-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
	<D969DE14-1892-11D9-9BF4-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
Message-ID: <40949CEA-1893-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

You guys, don't top- or bottom-quote so heavily please .. ;-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From ryanpc at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 19:06:06 2004
From: ryanpc at gmail.com (Ryan Christensen)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:06:06 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] page down
In-Reply-To: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <a8605ed804100712069519a71@mail.gmail.com>

I was initially surprised by this too, but used to it by now..

Ryan

On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:54:45 -0700, Jeff Ganyard <lists at bebop.net> wrote:
> The page down key appears to scroll line by line not page by page.


From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct  7 19:37:34 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:37:34 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Working with multiple screens
Message-ID: <41659AFE.5080607@allinthehead.com>

I usually work with an additional monitor plugged into my Powerbook at 
home, but not at work.

If I accidentally leave anything open on the external monitor before 
disconnecting everything, on restoring the affected application the 
window is pulled onto screen. That is to say, if at any time the desktop 
area is reduced, windows readjust their position so not to be lost.

TextMate doesn't seem to be doing this.

I connected up my external monitor this evening to find a window that 
had been 'lost' all day!

drew.


From scott at elitists.net  Thu Oct  7 19:42:04 2004
From: scott at elitists.net (Scott Barron)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:42:04 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Working with multiple screens
In-Reply-To: <41659AFE.5080607@allinthehead.com>
References: <41659AFE.5080607@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <20041007194204.GA3631@elitists.net>

On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 08:37:34PM +0100, Drew McLellan wrote:
> I usually work with an additional monitor plugged into my Powerbook at 
> home, but not at work.
> 
> If I accidentally leave anything open on the external monitor before 
> disconnecting everything, on restoring the affected application the 
> window is pulled onto screen. That is to say, if at any time the desktop 
> area is reduced, windows readjust their position so not to be lost.
> 
> TextMate doesn't seem to be doing this.
> 
> I connected up my external monitor this evening to find a window that 
> had been 'lost' all day!
> 
> drew.

Hmm, I use dual head on my ibook and if I pull the monitor plug out
textmate does come back to the LCD screen though it's size is a little
wonky.  It looks like it does try to resize but that perhaps it's not
taking the size of the drawer into account.  It's not positioned
perfectly zoomed, as it was on the monitor screen (which is of a higher
resolution than the LCD).  That's my experience anyway.

-Scott


From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct  7 19:47:32 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:47:32 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips on file names
Message-ID: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>

Some file names can be long, and others are deep in a folder structure. 
Where the width of the file draw doesn't allow for the full name of a 
file to be displayed, it would be handy to have a tooltip appear with 
the full file name.


drew.


From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct  7 19:49:17 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 20:49:17 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips on file names
In-Reply-To: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>
References: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <41659DBD.4030800@allinthehead.com>

Drew McLellan wrote:
> Some file names can be long, and others are deep in a folder structure. 
> Where the width of the file draw doesn't allow for the full name of a 
> file to be displayed, it would be handy to have a tooltip appear with 
> the full file name.

I should say "Project Drawer". I need wine.

drew.


From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 19:50:13 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:50:13 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips on file names
In-Reply-To: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>
References: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <1AB4B256-189A-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

On Oct 7, 2004, at 12:47 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> Some file names can be long, and others are deep in a folder 
> structure. Where the width of the file draw doesn't allow for the full 
> name of a file to be displayed, it would be handy to have a tooltip 
> appear with the full file name.

Filepaths would be handy too! Particularly once you add sftp support.



From jarkko at jlaine.net  Thu Oct  7 19:53:21 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:53:21 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] page down
In-Reply-To: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <8AF9DDA8-189A-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

On 7.10.2004, at 21:54, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

> The page down key appears to scroll line by line not page by page.

Actually, for me the cursor seems to go to the bottom of the window on 
the first click, and then scroll down page by page on the successive 
clicks. Not really conventional but not very far from it either.

//jarkko

--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net
http://divingfinn.blogspot.com



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 19:54:07 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 21:54:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips on file names
In-Reply-To: <1AB4B256-189A-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>
	<1AB4B256-189A-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <A5D99128-189A-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 7/10-2004, at 21:50, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

> On Oct 7, 2004, at 12:47 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:
>
>> Some file names can be long, and others are deep in a folder 
>> structure. Where the width of the file draw doesn't allow for the 
>> full name of a file to be displayed, it would be handy to have a 
>> tooltip appear with the full file name.
>
> Filepaths would be handy too! Particularly once you add sftp support.

Yes, full paths and maybe other file info would be nice. I think it's 
on the todo as well :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From jarkko at jlaine.net  Thu Oct  7 19:57:32 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:57:32 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Working with multiple screens
In-Reply-To: <20041007194204.GA3631@elitists.net>
References: <41659AFE.5080607@allinthehead.com>
	<20041007194204.GA3631@elitists.net>
Message-ID: <2002DF23-189B-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>


On 7.10.2004, at 22:42, Scott Barron wrote:
>
> Hmm, I use dual head on my ibook and if I pull the monitor plug out
> textmate does come back to the LCD screen though it's size is a little
> wonky.  It looks like it does try to resize but that perhaps it's not
> taking the size of the drawer into account.  It's not positioned
> perfectly zoomed, as it was on the monitor screen (which is of a higher
> resolution than the LCD).  That's my experience anyway.

Scott,

Are you talking about mirroring the screen or extending it to the 
bigger screen? As far as I remember iBook was only able to mirror the 
screen, not to extend it.

//jarkko

--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net
http://divingfinn.blogspot.com



From scott at elitists.net  Thu Oct  7 19:59:44 2004
From: scott at elitists.net (Scott Barron)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:59:44 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Working with multiple screens
In-Reply-To: <2002DF23-189B-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <41659AFE.5080607@allinthehead.com>
	<20041007194204.GA3631@elitists.net>
	<2002DF23-189B-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <20041007195944.GB3631@elitists.net>

On Thu, Oct 07, 2004 at 10:57:32PM +0300, Jarkko Laine wrote:
> 
> On 7.10.2004, at 22:42, Scott Barron wrote:
> >
> >Hmm, I use dual head on my ibook and if I pull the monitor plug out
> >textmate does come back to the LCD screen though it's size is a little
> >wonky.  It looks like it does try to resize but that perhaps it's not
> >taking the size of the drawer into account.  It's not positioned
> >perfectly zoomed, as it was on the monitor screen (which is of a higher
> >resolution than the LCD).  That's my experience anyway.
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Are you talking about mirroring the screen or extending it to the 
> bigger screen? As far as I remember iBook was only able to mirror the 
> screen, not to extend it.

haHA by "default", you are right.  Apple merely crippled that function
in some of the ibooks.  However, it can be gotten around on some ibooks
(I have a 1.2GHz G4) and you can indeed extend the screen.  It's very
nice indeed.

-Scott


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 20:09:02 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:09:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips on file names
In-Reply-To: <A5D99128-189A-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <41659D54.9070008@allinthehead.com>
	<1AB4B256-189A-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<A5D99128-189A-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <BBCF5F50-189C-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Just spoke to Allan. The feature with the tooltip over project items 
showing full path, will be put in the next update :-). Thanks again for 
the suggestion.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 20:10:16 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:10:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: open in separate editor from project
	drawer
In-Reply-To: <B0E1803B-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <B0E1803B-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <E7762882-189C-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 7/10-2004, at 20:57, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

> Or whatever you want to call it, being able to open a file from the 
> project drawer in a separate window. Sometimes I want to look at 
> things side by side.

You can for instance drag the file from the project view and onto the 
TextMate icon in the dock, to archieve that :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From lists at bebop.net  Thu Oct  7 20:18:26 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:18:26 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: open in separate editor from project
	drawer
In-Reply-To: <E7762882-189C-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <B0E1803B-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<E7762882-189C-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <0BDC6B51-189E-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>> Or whatever you want to call it, being able to open a file from the 
>> project drawer in a separate window. Sometimes I want to look at 
>> things side by side.
>
> You can for instance drag the file from the project view and onto the 
> TextMate icon in the dock, to archieve that :-).

Hadn't tried that, thanks. It would still be nice in a contextual menu. 
Sometimes that dock can be a long way away. :)



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 20:20:49 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:20:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Yank not working
In-Reply-To: <b44dd666041007113238c743ba@mail.gmail.com>
References: <41654D4E.30004@dm1.com>
	<b44dd666041007113238c743ba@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <60F51545-189E-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

I am told (by Allan) that TextMate currently doesn't support a kill 
buffer such as used with yank. Instead is has a built in 
clipboard-history with hotkeys from moving back and forth etc.

Alternatively, do the following to record a macro which mirrors kill:

Automation -> Start Macro Recording,
cmd-shift-arrow right,
cmd-x,
Automation -> Stop Macro Recording,
Automation -> Save Scratch Macro... as ctrl k.

In the future, a kill buffer may be implemented, also to allow macros 
to not disturb the clipboard.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct  7 20:29:31 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:29:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: better support for .textClipping files
In-Reply-To: <95CDB5D4-1890-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <95CDB5D4-1890-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <9824487E-189F-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

About text clipping files... anyone happen to have a good link to a 
place describing the exact file format etc.?

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From vincent.isambart at laposte.net  Thu Oct  7 20:32:50 2004
From: vincent.isambart at laposte.net (Vincent Isambart)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:32:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] 
	My little remarks on TextMate - Encodings, CJK Characters, Ligatures
Message-ID: <0EE4107A-18A0-11D9-9966-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>

Hello,

First thanks to Allan for all the great work on TextMate ^o^.

Sorry if any of you in the mailing list do not like long mails. If you  
do not want to read it, just jump to the next mail in you mail box ;-)
And sorry for putting so many things in one mail, but one mail is  
easier to skip or remove than 3 or 4 ;-)

So there are my list of remarks about TextMate. They do not mean that I  
do not like them program. On the contrary, I just want it to be even  
better ^o^. Feel free to criticize any of them (except the first one).

First, I do not really care if the preferences are in there own dialog  
box or in the menus. In the menus, it has the advantage of being faster  
to change. But with the feature list that will certainly grow in the  
future, some things will certainly have to be put in a separate dialog  
box. (And no, do not reply to this paragraph, as it has already become  
a troll on this mailing list ;-))

'Re-open with encoding' is great but the encodings list is quite short.  
UTF-32 is not even there. If someone works a little with Japanese text,  
he will need Shift-JIS and EUC-JP. Someone with Chinese text might want  
Big5. Even a westerner wanting to use the euro symbol might want  
ISO-8859-15. The best would be to be able to add or remove encodings in  
the list. The same thing would be great in the 'Save' dialog (the list  
should be the same in both places and be editable at both places). And  
adding it in the 'Open' dialog would be great too.

Little bug : if we select 'other' in the View->Tabs Size menu, nothing  
happens. There should be a dialog box asking for the number of spaces  
you want.

An other little problem I have is the drawing of CJK characters. These  
characters are wider than latin characters and as they are drawn today  
in TextMate, a character may overlap with the previous and next one. In  
terminals, this is generally handled by making them double-width. In  
SubEthaEdit, it is quite strange as they are not fixed size at all,  
some are larger than others. If you want any screenshot, example, just  
ask.
Note that I am in no way good in Chinese, Japanese or Korean, I just  
made a few Ruby scripts to help me train my Japanese, and they do  
include some Japanese characters.

For the ligatures problem, if it has not been corrected in the sources  
yet, it's quite easy to correct:
If you want ATSUI not to use common english ligatures (fi, fl):
   ATSUFontFeatureType type     = kLigaturesType;
   ATSUFontFeatureType selector = kCommonLigaturesOffSelector;
   ATSUSetFontFeatures(myATSUStyle, 1, &type, &selector);
and if you do not want any type of ligature:
   ATSUFontFeatureType types[9] =
   {
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType,
     kLigaturesType
   };
   ATSUFontFeatureType selectors[9] =
   {
     kRequiredLigaturesOffSelector,
     kCommonLigaturesOffSelector,
     kRareLigaturesOffSelector,
     kLogosOffSelector,
     kRebusPicturesOffSelector,
     kDiphthongLigaturesOffSelector,
     kSquaredLigaturesOffSelector,
     kAbbrevSquaredLigaturesOffSelector,
     kSymbolLigaturesOffSelector
   };
   ATSUSetFontFeatures(myATSUStyle, 9, types, selectors);
Some info there :  
http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Carbon/Conceptual/ 
ATSUI_Concepts/atsui_app_features/chapter_9_section_15.html (be  
careful, the feature selector names on this web page are not all good)
It will also disable ligatures for Hindi or Arabic script, but as  
TextMate's goal is not seem to be a multi-lingual editor... (but it  
would be great if it could at least manage the CJK characters well ;-))

Last thing: having a direct link to  
http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo or at least to the  
archives of the mailing list  
(http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/) on TextMate's web page  
would really be great. I only found it after subscribing to the mailing  
list, in the mail asking for confirmation.

Cheers,
Vincent Isambart



From aellis at gmx.net  Thu Oct  7 20:35:06 2004
From: aellis at gmx.net (Andrew Ellis)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:35:06 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Command line tool
Message-ID: <6004D778-18A0-11D9-A3C3-000D932C574E@gmx.net>

I've modified a shell script written for SubEthaEdit that allows you to 
open or  create files from the command line, and also to pipe text into 
TextMate.

If anyone's interested, it can be downloaded from:

http://www.ini.unizh.ch/~awe/Code/TM_clTool.tgz


Andrew
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From blalor at bravo5.org  Thu Oct  7 14:38:19 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:38:19 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] commands and parsing output
Message-ID: <885B345F-186E-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

I'm trying to work up a command to call ant with for my Java bundle.   
I'm confused by the dual-pane window that's displayed.  The bottom  
looks to be just the entire output of the command with line numbers in  
the gutter.  The top I just don't grok, however.

It may be that I'm completely missing the point of the command output  
window; if so, please set me straight. :-)

Does the pattern matching expect every single line to match the  
pattern?  For example:
	/path/to/file:1: error on line 1
	/path/to/file:2: warning on line 2

"ant -emacs" has output like this:
 >>>>begin
[...]
compile:
Compiling 1 source file to  
/Users/blalor/devel/java/portal/ConsumerCustomCommands/build
/Users/blalor/devel/java/portal/ConsumerCustomCommands/src/com/ 
deltafaucet/portal/commands/profile/AprimoAccountListener.java:30:  
cannot resolve symbol
symbol  : class Foo
location: class  
com.deltafaucet.portal.commands.profile.AprimoAccountListener
         private static Foo bar = new Baz();
                        ^
/Users/blalor/devel/java/portal/ConsumerCustomCommands/src/com/ 
deltafaucet/portal/commands/profile/AprimoAccountListener.java:30:  
cannot resolve symbol
symbol  : class Baz
location: class  
com.deltafaucet.portal.commands.profile.AprimoAccountListener
         private static Foo bar = new Baz();
                                      ^
<<<<end

I'm not sure what the command output window is trying to accomplish...   
I've got my command set up like this:
    Before running command:    Save modified files in project
    Command(s):                ant -s build.xml -emacs
    Standard input:            None
    Standard output:           Show in separate window
    Pattern:                   ^(/[^:]+):(\d+):(.*)$
    Format string:             $3
    File register:             1
    Line:                      2
    Column:

This causes the command window to look like this:
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I would expect that the top part of the window would only show the 
lines that matched the regexp, at a minimum, but I really think it 
should perhaps highlight the line, make it clickable (to jump to the 
source), etc.

I think what's needed (for compiles, anyway) is to have the command 
output displayed in a pane in the project window (say, at the bottom) 
and display each line of output from the command.  Each line that 
matches the regexp should appear in a different color, and, if the 
line, and possibly column, are given as registers, the top part of the 
project window should jump to the line and file, leaving the lower pane 
in place.  I tend to keep my code windows up so that they take up most 
of the screen real estate (especially with the project drawer open).  
The command window really gets in the way.  But I think it's a step in 
the right direction, because I want to be able to jump to a line in the 
file.

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/

From dan at imaginaryfriend.org  Thu Oct  7 14:44:23 2004
From: dan at imaginaryfriend.org (Daniel Leibu)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 07:44:23 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Python.tmbundle
In-Reply-To: <BF8B6AEF-1827-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
References: <BF8B6AEF-1827-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
Message-ID: <611B2947-186F-11D9-AA65-000A95D0E4AA@imaginaryfriend.org>

I have also implemented the start for a python bundle. I've only 
focused on the syntax definition for the moment.

It is available at: 
http://www.imaginaryfriend.org/play_2fTextMate_20extensions

I would love feedback so please let me know if you use it.

Philip - perhaps we can compare notes and see it it worth combining the 
two into a single version?

Thanks,
D

On Oct 6, 2004, at 23:11, Philip wrote:

> I've got a rough cut at python support bundle[1]. It includes syntax 
> and three snippets: klass, def and deff. The snippets rely on a de 
> facto python standard of 4-spaces for indentation. I'll keep making 
> minor updates, but feel free to use it in the future TextMate 
> releases.
>
> The editor is rather neat so far. Keep up the good work.
>
> [1] http://glyf.org/TextMate/pythonsyntax.tgz
>
> ---
> Philip f
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From ben at benprotas.com  Thu Oct  7 16:28:21 2004
From: ben at benprotas.com (Ben Protas)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:28:21 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Incremental Search?
Message-ID: <E76C3690-187D-11D9-AA15-000A95ACEB2C@benprotas.com>

Is there a way to do incremental search in Textmate, where the display 
scrolls to the closest match as you're typing in the search term, ala 
"Quick Search" in BBEdit or Ctrl-S in Emacs?



Ben



From chris at cjack.com  Thu Oct  7 18:50:37 2004
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:50:37 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] improved C/C++/Objective-C[++] highlighting
Message-ID: <C6E8179E-1891-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>

Slightly improved C/C++/Objective-C bundle: 
<http://www.cjack.com/tm/C.tmbundle.zip>

* Keyword corrections for all languages.
* Move to a more conventional black-on-white color scheme.
* C++ inherits from C to make this more manageable. Although C++ is not 
a strict superset of C, the differences are extremely slight (for the 
purposes of TextMate, at least).
* That's all for now.

I'm happy to coordinate further improvements to the C bundle; you're 
also welcome to grab my changes and post your own version if you 
prefer. Highlighting could be further improved. There are a zillion 
useful macros and snippets to be written. Makefile syntax could be 
factored out into a "Unix" bundle, one that would also support the 
myriad shell scripting formats.

Allan/Macromates folks, please consider including at least the keyword 
modifications in future versions of TextMate.

Share and enjoy,
Chris


From dan at imaginaryfriend.org  Thu Oct  7 19:10:40 2004
From: dan at imaginaryfriend.org (Daniel Leibu)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:10:40 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <94517ECA-1894-11D9-AA65-000A95D0E4AA@imaginaryfriend.org>

Perhaps you've already seen this but Ian Phillips has put together a 
site as a starting point for bundles:

http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html


D

On Oct 7, 2004, at 9:26, Merlin Mann wrote:

> Hey,
>
> This might have come up already, but I think it would helpful to have 
> a single page that collects (or at least points to) all the available 
> add-ons folks have put together for TextMate, such as bundles, 
> syntaxes, snippets, and so on. A two-line summary of what it does 
> (with screenshots where possible) would also be great.
>
> I agree that the power of TextMate comes from unlocking its _insane_ 
> amount of configurability. But, I also suspect that some of the 
> nay-sayers--especially those less experienced with the power of a 
> shell--would be much more inspired if they saw what they could *do* 
> with TM (without having to build the actual widgets themselves).
>
> For inspiration, I think Alcor has done a nice job with [Quicksilver's 
> plug-in page][1], which folks can sort by alpha, popularity, or update 
> freshness. Best of all, users can click to install any of the plug-ins 
> right from that page. Takes a lot of the mystery out of the process.
>
> Just one data point. If ya'all need help with bandwidth or what have 
> you, please let me know how I can pitch in. I am, as the kids say, a 
> fan.
>
>
>     [1]: http://quicksilver.blacktree.com/plugins.php (Quicksilver's 
> plug-in page)
>
>
> --   Merlin Mann
> 43Folders.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From toby at 120decibel.com  Thu Oct  7 19:12:00 2004
From: toby at 120decibel.com (Toby Sterrett)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:12:00 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] page down
In-Reply-To: <a8605ed804100712069519a71@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<a8605ed804100712069519a71@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C410FF36-1894-11D9-8578-000393DB471C@120decibel.com>

On Oct 7, 2004, at 12:06 PM, Ryan Christensen wrote:

> I was initially surprised by this too, but used to it by now..

I just tried ^-Page Up and ^-Page Down and it scrolls by page. I 
probably would have reversed that, but at least it's there.

Toby



From kjell at station11.net  Thu Oct  7 19:22:04 2004
From: kjell at station11.net (Kjell Olsen)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:22:04 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] page down
In-Reply-To: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <5AE89FDE-1892-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <2BF2456A-1896-11D9-B397-0003930D67D6@station11.net>

This is because page down moves the cursor, and this only happens if 
the cursor is already on the bottom line of the window.  Hold option 
and press page down and it will behave like it does in most 
text-editors.  All the hidden interesting features could give you a 
headache...

On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:54 PM, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

> The page down key appears to scroll line by line not page by page.
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From kjell at station11.net  Thu Oct  7 19:30:28 2004
From: kjell at station11.net (Kjell Olsen)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:30:28 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <581E17AC-1897-11D9-B397-0003930D67D6@station11.net>

Justin - your (?) link making macro (control-shift-l) misbehaves I 
think:

If all there is only one word in your file it works fine - about 
(control-shift-l) makes <a href="about.html">about</a>, but when there 
is more then one word in the file your macro works on all the lines - 
turning -v

<html>
<head>
	<title>test page, what?</title>
	</head>
<body>
about
</body>

into -v

<a href="<html>.html"><html></a><a href=".html"></a>
<a href="<head>.html"><head></a><a href=".html"></a>
<a href="	<title>test page, what?</title>.html">	<title>test page, 
what?</title></a><a href=".html"></a>
<a href="	</head>.html">	</head></a><a href=".html"></a>
<a href="<body>.html"><body></a><a href=".html"></a>
<a href="about.html">about</a><a href=".html"></a>
<a href="</body>.html"></body></a>



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 21:19:23 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:19:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate]  My little remarks on TextMate - Encodings,
	CJK Characters, Ligatures
In-Reply-To: <0EE4107A-18A0-11D9-9966-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>
References: <0EE4107A-18A0-11D9-9966-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <8F5ECBFB-18A6-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 22:32, Vincent Isambart wrote:

> First, I do not really care if the preferences are in there own dialog 
> box or in the menus. [...]

Then it's settled -- we never will add it! ;)

> 'Re-open with encoding' is great but the encodings list is quite 
> short. UTF-32 is not even there. [...]

True... this is "what I use" and figured we have iconv if more would 
really be needed. But I'll look into allowing a more full list (with 
some customizable filters to not clutter the menu/list)

> An other little problem I have is the drawing of CJK characters. These 
> characters are wider than latin characters and as they are drawn today 
> in TextMate, a character may overlap with the previous and next one. 
> In terminals, this is generally handled by making them double-width. 
> [...] If you want any screenshot, example, just ask.

I don't think I'll be on this one right away, but eventually it should 
mimic how the Terminal does it -- at that time, I may request that 
screenshot! :)

> For the ligatures problem, if it has not been corrected in the sources 
> yet, it's quite easy to correct:

Thanks a lot! I've been looking real hard to find that info!

> [...] but as TextMate's goal is not seem to be a multi-lingual 
> editor... (but it would be great if it could at least manage the CJK 
> characters well ;-))

Yes to both. The goal for a first release was really just working with 
code and markup in fixed width fonts.  Though eventually I would like 
to make it into a full unicode conforming editor.

> Last thing: having a direct link to 
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo or at least to the 
> archives of the mailing list 
> (http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/) on TextMate's web page 
> would really be great. I only found it after subscribing to the 
> mailing list, in the mail asking for confirmation.

We do have a direct link to the archives (below the signup box), but it 
wasn't initially there.

I'll see if we can't also add a link to the list info.

Thanks a lot for your feedback!

Kind regards Allan



From wdnx at unm.edu  Thu Oct  7 21:31:55 2004
From: wdnx at unm.edu (William Douglas Neumann)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 15:31:55 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TextMate] OCaml bundle + observations
In-Reply-To: <94517ECA-1894-11D9-AA65-000A95D0E4AA@imaginaryfriend.org>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<94517ECA-1894-11D9-AA65-000A95D0E4AA@imaginaryfriend.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410071526000.1321@egor.unm.edu>

If anyone out there is looking for a language bundle for OCaml, I just 
mailed an early version to Ian Phillips for inclusion in his page -- he 
should be sending a notice to this list when it becomes available.  But if 
you just can't wait that long, feel free to email me at this address for a 
copy.

In addition, here are a couple more observations/issues/pleas for help I 
came across while creating the OCaml bundle:

1: I would like a preference to tell TM to *not* open a new document upon 
launch.

2: Oh my god... these global preferences are driving me absolutely batty. 
I really want things like soft wrap to column x to not be a global state. 
Please, please, please make it a temporary or per file thing -- I'm sure 
you've heard enough preference complaints to last a few months, so I'll 
stop there.

3: On folds, the starting marker is shown before the ..., I think it would 
be aesthetically pleasing if the ending marker were also present.

4: Does anyone know how to handle nested comments?  In OCaml, the 
following is a valid comment Note: the (* and *) are comment delimiters:

(* this is a comment (* with a nested comment *) blah, blah *)

Now, if I use the basic pattern:
{ name = "OCaml Comment"; begin = "\\(\\*"; end = "\\*\\)"; <snip> }, then 
the closing delimiter of the nested comment ends the comment, and "blah, 
blah *)" is not colored as a comment.  If I try to swallow the internal 
comment with this pattern:
 		{ name = "OCaml Comment"; begin = "\\(\\*"; end = 
"\\*\\)"; swallow = "\\(\\*.*\\*\\)"; <snip> }, then the comment coloring 
does not end with the comment.  I'm a bit of a regex schnook, so any help 
here would be appreciated...

5: Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but code inserted via Snippets is 
not indented according to the syntax rules.

William D. Neumann
<wdnx at unm.edu>

---
Dear Lord, please make me the kind of person
my dog thinks I am.


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 21:32:00 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:32:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why there is no preferences window (was: Preferences
	window)
In-Reply-To: <20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <1B264B8C-17DE-11D9-9C6D-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<20041006213810.GA28578@tara.freenix.org>
	<19108DF2-17E1-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<64DA7DE9-17E2-11D9-9F88-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<A6603310-17E3-11D9-824C-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<C768F2CD-17F7-11D9-9085-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<3C699336-1802-11D9-8DE0-000A959050E6@elaunceston.com>
	<20041007085353359285.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<6890597404100701053e661a50@mail.gmail.com>
	<00C196E6-1840-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<CA4E97F0-1843-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007112957565872.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<AD24B67E-185C-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<20041007135613876220.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <527D32A3-18A8-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 14:56, Andrew Green wrote:

This mail only to clarify! No need to reply!

> Seriously, the menus give no indication whatever of what's going to be
> remembered and what isn't.  If my overwrite settings get applied across
> all documents

The changes only affect the current and new documents.

> and are remembered until I notice that I need to switch
> them back, why doesn't the syntax colouring option do the same?

The difference with syntax coloring is that it remembers per file 
extension.

So if you load a .h file and change "Syntax Highlight as" from e.g. C++ 
to ObjectiveC, all future .h files will be colored like that.

Part of me would like all settings to work like that, part of me thinks 
it'll be perceived as very non-deterministic (and IMHO only really 
useful for soft wrap).

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 21:34:42 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:34:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] improved C/C++/Objective-C[++] highlighting
In-Reply-To: <C6E8179E-1891-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
References: <C6E8179E-1891-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
Message-ID: <B37FB4B2-18A8-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 20:50, Chris Thomas wrote:

> Allan/Macromates folks, please consider including at least the keyword 
> modifications in future versions of TextMate.

Will do, thanks for your work!

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 21:54:16 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:54:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] commands and parsing output
In-Reply-To: <885B345F-186E-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <885B345F-186E-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <6F06CD2B-18AB-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 16:38, Brian Lalor wrote:

> I'm trying to work up a command to call ant with for my Java bundle.  
> I'm confused by the dual-pane window that's displayed.  The bottom 
> looks to be just the entire output of the command with line numbers in 
> the gutter.  The top I just don't grok, however.

The top part show lines parsed with the regex pattern. The bottom part 
is a raw dump (mostly useful when the patterns are incorrect).

> Does the pattern matching expect every single line to match the 
> pattern?  For example:

It was supposed to only show the lines which matched, in the top part 
(using the format string), and all lines in the bottom part.

It seems I got this wrong, and also do show non-matching lines in the 
top part. I'll have this fixed for 1.0.1!

>    Command(s):                ant -s build.xml -emacs

As a workaround I think you can set:
    Command(s):                ant -s build.xml -emacs | egrep 
'^/.+:.+:.+$'

Of course this will also affect the bottom part. As said, I'll have 
this fixed in next version!

> I would expect that the top part of the window would only show the 
> lines that matched the regexp, at a minimum, but I really think it 
> should perhaps highlight the line, make it clickable (to jump to the 
> source), etc.

You can click lines in the top part, and jump to that line in the 
source (but only for the lines matched by the regex of course).

> I think what's needed (for compiles, anyway) is to have the command 
> output displayed in a pane in the project window (say, at the bottom) 
> and display each line of output from the command.  Each line that 
> matches the regexp should appear in a different color, and, if the 
> line, and possibly column, are given as registers, the top part of the 
> project window should jump to the line and file, leaving the lower 
> pane in place.  I tend to keep my code windows up so that they take up 
> most of the screen real estate (especially with the project drawer 
> open).  The command window really gets in the way.  But I think it's a 
> step in the right direction, because I want to be able to jump to a 
> line in the file.

I agree that somehow putting the output directly into the project 
window would be an advantage, if I could figure out an elegant way to 
do it, that is!

The idea about coloring lines which match the regex in the raw output 
is good! The other things about jumping _should_ work (I tried to 
configure a command like yours, but with "cat" as the command, and the 
document being the output you gave, and this did then allow me to click 
the two lines which are matched by your regex).


Kind regards Allan



From johans at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 21:56:47 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 23:56:47 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] saving files that need auth doesn't seem to work
Message-ID: <689059740410071456682e171d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Are there any known issues with TM and saving files that needs
authorization to view/edit?

I opended /etc/hosts with sudo from the cmdline, and TM doesn't seem
to want to save the changes, no error, it just remains unsaved.

--johan

-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 22:00:03 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:00:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] saving files that need auth doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <689059740410071456682e171d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <689059740410071456682e171d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3DC76F7B-18AC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 23:56, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> Are there any known issues with TM and saving files that needs
> authorization to view/edit?

Authenticated saves are on the to do for one of the upcoming versions.

> I opended /etc/hosts with sudo from the cmdline, and TM doesn't seem
> to want to save the changes, no error, it just remains unsaved.

It should beep, but that's it -- this will be improved!

Using something like: "sudo open -a TextMate <file>" will not cause TM 
to run with super user privileges.

Kind regards Allan



From mummer at whitefalls.org  Thu Oct  7 22:33:30 2004
From: mummer at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:33:30 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] saving files that need auth doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <3DC76F7B-18AC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <689059740410071456682e171d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC76F7B-18AC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <EA5B2BD0-18B0-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

> Authenticated saves are on the to do for one of the upcoming versions.

In this same vein... Need an 'open hidden file' command, or either a 
checkbox in the open dialog to show hidden files. The latter with the 
choice being sticky might be nice.



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 22:38:47 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 12:38:47 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] moving between tabs
Message-ID: <A711B8C4-18B1-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

is there a keyboard command to shuffle back and forth between open 
files/tabs?



From hangonsoft at free.fr  Thu Oct  7 22:40:08 2004
From: hangonsoft at free.fr (hangonsoft at free.fr)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:40:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Would be cool to see invisible files
Message-ID: <D7781FC5-18B1-11D9-8E5C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>

hi,

Just starting using RubyonRails....and each time i create a project  i 
want to modify .htaccess to enable mod_ruby....and it's not possible.

would be cool if the contextual menu of the drawer propose a 'toggle 
invisible file view' item or something like that


thanks...

textmate is really the best 40$ i ever spent



From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct  7 22:49:56 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 23:49:56 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] moving between tabs
In-Reply-To: <A711B8C4-18B1-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <A711B8C4-18B1-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4165C814.5010103@allinthehead.com>

timothy martens wrote:
> is there a keyboard command to shuffle back and forth between open 
> files/tabs?

alt + command + left or right arrow keys.

drew.


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 23:24:14 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:24:14 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] moving between tabs
In-Reply-To: <4165C814.5010103@allinthehead.com>
References: <A711B8C4-18B1-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<4165C814.5010103@allinthehead.com>
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On Oct 7, 2004, at 12:49 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> timothy martens wrote:
>> is there a keyboard command to shuffle back and forth between open 
>> files/tabs?
>
> alt + command + left or right arrow keys.

Thanks armadillo head  : )



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 23:31:10 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:31:10 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Snippets, and Selected Text
In-Reply-To: <3D2ED3B4-186B-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <BD89453A.11D47%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<E4DCA8A2-17C8-11D9-9A41-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<CA0907D8-1834-11D9-BB1D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<3D2ED3B4-186B-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <F89A838C-18B8-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 7, 2004, at 4:14 AM, Justin French wrote:

> Incidently, I think I'll change the name of "Selection as Anchor" to 
> "Make HTML Link" in 1.01, since everyone seems to overlook it.

Good idea. Clear labeling is as important as the function itself.

  -t



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 23:33:17 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:33:17 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: undo/redo
In-Reply-To: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
References: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
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On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Nick Hristov wrote:

> I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but the undo/redo 
> functionality needs improvements. What bothers me is that the undo 
> functionality will "undo" stuff character-by-character, and not by 
> block. I want block undos. Ideally, I would like to have more of a 
> VIM-like undo functionality.
>
> You may wonder what would be defined as a "block undo"? One definition 
> would be: any time when I type in text (or remote text with the 
> backspace/delete) would be one block. When I move the mouse, or use 
> the arrow keys, or use PGUP,PGDOWN, etc. the undo block would end.

I'd prefer block as opposed to character as well



From textmate at 43folders.com  Thu Oct  7 23:35:10 2004
From: textmate at 43folders.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 16:35:10 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Q: Running a periodic shell script automatically
Message-ID: <873EA823-18B9-11D9-9B3F-000A95A00004@43folders.com>


I can't decide if this is a TextMate question or a GREP question, but 
here goes.

Like a lot of people, I frequently use HTML comments like this to 
remind myself where known problems exist:

 > `<!-- FIXME sibling P tags not taking margin/padding in IE/Win -->`

Given that TextMate is pretty good at piping output from shell 
commands, would it not be possible to automagically generate a running 
"TODO" list in a file using a command similar to this...?

 > `grep -r FIXME /Users/USERNAME/Sites/FooProject/`

Is that sensible? And how might I set that up in a doc to refresh 
itself? Better as a separate shell script I'd call up somehow? Maybe 
better off as manual macro I run when I want updates? TIA.

(Man, I'm just *loving* the possibilities of this app)

mm

-- 
Merlin Mann
43Folders.com



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct  7 23:36:22 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 13:36:22 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:26 AM, Merlin Mann wrote:

> Hey,
>
> This might have come up already, but I think it would helpful to have 
> a single page that collects (or at least points to) all the available 
> add-ons folks have put together for TextMate, such as bundles, 
> syntaxes, snippets, and so on. A two-line summary of what it does 
> (with screenshots where possible) would also be great.
>
> I agree that the power of TextMate comes from unlocking its _insane_ 
> amount of configurability. But, I also suspect that some of the 
> nay-sayers--especially those less experienced with the power of a 
> shell--would be much more inspired if they saw what they could *do* 
> with TM (without having to build the actual widgets themselves).

Here, here. It would be great to have a central repository for 
development. I'm a shell neophyte and it is really helpful for me to be 
able to see concrete examples. 



From infolists at gmail.com  Thu Oct  7 23:38:31 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:38:31 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] HTML attributes coloring?
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041007163816e28cfe@mail.gmail.com>

Is it open to me to set HTML attributes to have a different color to
the tag itself? I'm aware that I can edit the relevant file in the
Bundles directory to configure my syntax coloring but recall reading
something somewhere that this was not possible as yet re attributes &
tags.


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct  7 23:55:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:55:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] My first impression (mostly syntax coloring issues)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410070952250.18096@deneb.unm.edu>
References: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
	<4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<4165647C.8030303@io.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0410070952250.18096@deneb.unm.edu>
Message-ID: <6A3C3856-18BC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 18:03, William Douglas Neumann wrote:

> 2: Am I wrong, or are the start/stop folding markers only available as 
> a
> single pair?  I would love to be able to supply a list of pairs to mark
> folds.  [...] these are sort of saved by the whole "same indent level" 
> constraint, but that also keeps me from easily doing things like 
> folding 1-11 of the nested function.

You can select line 1-11 and fold the selection. But not the same as 
automatic fold markers, I know!

> Since folding is naturally a pair oriented thing, using lists of stop 
> start markers would make writing/modifying fold definitions a breeze 
> (i.e. no more super hairy regexes).

The problem with the pair oriented approach is that you can have code 
like:

   1   namespace {
   2      class foo {
   3         void bar {
   4            // I'm about to write it...
   5      };
   6   }

If we match on the {, } pair, then it may show line 3-5 as foldable and 
2-6.

As of such, showing incorrect potential fold markers while editing code 
is not that much of a problem, but what is a problem is, if the text 
already had collapsed sections, and you start to add/remove fold 
markers (since it's pretty difficult to maintain foldings when the 
"tree" is manipulated).

> 3: I'd like to second, third, or nth the suggestion of global names 
> for colors and text styles.  I really like the way Vim does it, 
> separating color schemes from syntax/indentation schemes.

I think I'll do something similar to style sheets for the next version 
of the syntax highlight system (which will be a major upgrade, no ETA 
yet though -- I can send a full description to this list for comments 
when all details are settled) -- global names alone has the problem 
that "string" may appear as a name in e.g. both HTML and the embedded 
PHP (where they should probably differ in color), and/or that in some 
languages, it does make sense to color strings differently than what's 
generally wanted.

But style sheets a la CSS with selectors would probably be pretty 
flexible. Initially we postponed this, because we figured it would come 
off as too complex. But given the proper GUI editor, it'll probably 
appear as a huge simplification for most ;)

> 4: I'd also like to see a decreaseIndentPattern available as well. 
> [...]

Added to the to do.

> 5: Damn it's hard to see the line wrap indicator... Please make it 
> more visible.

I'll do as Luc Heinrich suggested and darken the background to the 
right of the wrap border. Not sure though if I should then lighten it, 
if the background is set to a very dark color (like black).

> 6: Ummm... how do I print from TM?  And if you do add printing, I 
> would *love* the ability to pass the text through something like a2ps 
> or enscript before printing it, without having to resort to writing a 
> command to do it.

I'll keep that in mind for when printing is added (yes, it's currently 
missing).

Kind regards Allan



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 00:05:06 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (timothy martens)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 14:05:06 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] My first impression (mostly syntax coloring issues)
In-Reply-To: <6A3C3856-18BC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
	<4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<4165647C.8030303@io.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0410070952250.18096@deneb.unm.edu>
	<6A3C3856-18BC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <B5BAF2E9-18BD-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:55 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
> But style sheets a la CSS with selectors would probably be pretty 
> flexible. Initially we postponed this, because we figured it would 
> come off as too complex. But given the proper GUI editor, it'll 
> probably appear as a huge simplification for most ;)

INDEED. All these syntax highlighting examples (wat language are they 
in) are like Greek to me. 



From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Thu Oct  7 20:38:27 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 15:38:27 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] {Feature Request} Interarchy edit file over sftp
In-Reply-To: <p062007ffbd8a527f0e18@[203.8.112.3]>
Message-ID: <BD8B1373.11E72%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

Interarchy supports ediiting files over sftp.  It would make me ?berhappy is
TestMate would support this feature.  I asked the Interarchy developer what
details you would need to know to make this work.  He replied with the links
to the info below.

I know you intend to support editing files over sftp with TextMate in
version 1.1, but I like Interarchy and adding compatability to work with
Interarchy looks pretty simple.  So pretty please with sugar on top, add
this feature. :-D  Thanks,
Simon


------ Forwarded Message
From: Peter N Lewis <peter at stairways.com.au>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:06:08 +0800
To: Simon Dorfman <Simon at SimonDorfman.com>
Subject: Re: Edit with...   TextMate

>I want to ask the developer of a new text editor (TextMate macromates.com)
>to support your "Edit with..." feature.  What does he need to know to make
>it jive with Interarchy?

The details are at:

http://www.merzwaren.com/external_editor.html

and Bare Bones' original specification is at:
http://www.barebones.com/support/developer/odbsuite.html

If they drop me a line when it is implemented we'll be happy to add
TexMate to our list of possible editors.

Enjoy,
    Peter.

--
<http://www.stairways.com/>  <http://download.stairways.com/>



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From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 00:10:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 02:10:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] saving files that need auth doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <EA5B2BD0-18B0-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <689059740410071456682e171d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC76F7B-18AC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<EA5B2BD0-18B0-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <7D10FC60-18BE-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 0:33, Michael Sheets wrote:

>> Authenticated saves are on the to do for one of the upcoming versions.
> In this same vein... Need an 'open hidden file' command, or either a 
> checkbox in the open dialog to show hidden files. The latter with the 
> choice being sticky might be nice.

In 10.3 there is no public interface for displaying hidden files, I 
read at CocoaDev that it was removed in favor of the "press Cmd-Shift-G 
to get a string gadget"

But I'll check if some of the undocumented/private methods (still) work.

Kind regards Allan



From Joe.Chilcote at nordstrom.com  Fri Oct  8 00:12:38 2004
From: Joe.Chilcote at nordstrom.com (Chilcote, Joe)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 17:12:38 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Q: Running a periodic shell script automatically
Message-ID: <44150965385A0A45AF25D0F70E33EC248B6E55@m0319p33.nordstrom.net>

>Given that TextMate is pretty good at piping output from shell 
>commands, would it not be possible to automagically generate a running 
>"TODO" list in a file using a command similar to this...?

 > `grep -r FIXME /Users/USERNAME/Sites/FooProject/`

Merlin:

You could pipe it to an external file. In the Filter Through Command window, choose "Document" and set it to "Show as tooltip" so it's non destructive to your current file, and run:

grep -r FIXME >~/project/TODO; open -a /Applications/TextMate.app ~/project/TODO

It will auto-generate and pop open for ya.

Regards,

Joe


From k at v2studio.com  Fri Oct  8 01:01:15 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:01:15 -0300
Subject: [TextMate] javascript bundle
Message-ID: <4165E6DB.2070202@v2studio.com>

Hi All,

I was wondering if anyone's been working on js syntax highlighting.

I derived one from the ruby file, but it's still a tad bit buggy.

Perhaps we could join efforts?

I'll post the bundle as soon as I get back to the mac.



From k at v2studio.com  Fri Oct  8 01:21:35 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Thu, 07 Oct 2004 22:21:35 -0300
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
Message-ID: <4165EB9F.1090000@v2studio.com>

James Spahr wrote:
> I should also state that these work for me, probably more based on my 
> typeface choice than any sort of personal bais. (I'm using Vera Sans 
> Mono). I've never coded on a dark background before, but I'm finding it 
> very comfortable. I originally tried very hard to get something handsome 
> and functional on a light background -- I failed miserably, so this is 
> why I have a dark background.

I'm in for the dark bg too.

It took a while for me to get used to the white background editors when 
I was forced to dump Turbo Pascal 6 (blue bg) and come to the real world.

But really, what was really great was Pascal 3, which had black background.

(I think they're not wrong when they say it's hang over from the old days :)

All the reasons you listed about contrast and apparent boldness are 
true. My eyes struggle to see any difference in color in SubEthaEdit. In 
TM (ruby) they are glaring.



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Fri Oct  8 02:05:28 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:05:28 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <581E17AC-1897-11D9-B397-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<581E17AC-1897-11D9-B397-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
Message-ID: <86879B7D-18CE-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 08/10/2004, at 5:30 AM, Kjell Olsen wrote:

> Justin - your (?) link making macro (control-shift-l) misbehaves I 
> think:

it's mine and Allan's :)

> If all there is only one word in your file it works fine - about 
> (control-shift-l) makes <a href="about.html">about</a>, but when there 
> is more then one word in the file your macro works on all the lines - 
> turning -v

It only works when you have text selected, otherwise, yes, it does the 
whole file... I'll see if we can do a check for a selected text.


Justin



From chris at m-audio.com  Fri Oct  8 02:31:28 2004
From: chris at m-audio.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 19:31:28 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: better support for .textClipping files
In-Reply-To: <9824487E-189F-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <95CDB5D4-1890-11D9-B0DB-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<9824487E-189F-11D9-A241-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <2888882E-18D2-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>

For historical reasons, it's a purely Resource Manager resource-based 
format. Select some text in any application, drag it to the Finder to 
create a "*.textClipping" file, and then run /Developer/Tools/DeRez on 
it to examine the resources.

(IIRC, clippings were originally introduced with the classic Mac OS 
Drag Manager in 1993. The idea was that they'd have the unique property 
of being viewable directly in the Finder. At the time, this was nice, 
and  text and picture (PICT) clippings were supported by the system, 
but Apple never followed through with content type plugins for third 
party content, or even more advanced built-in formats, so application 
support was likewise limited. Also keep in mind that this was when the 
Finder was considerably more consistent and usable than it is today, 
and there wasn't a ridiculous ".textClipping" extension tagged to 
clippings...)

Chris

On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:29 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> About text clipping files... anyone happen to have a good link to a 
> place describing the exact file format etc.?
>
> -- 
> Sune.
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
> http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mummer at whitefalls.org  Fri Oct  8 03:12:41 2004
From: mummer at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:12:41 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <4165EB9F.1090000@v2studio.com>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<4165EB9F.1090000@v2studio.com>
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> I'm in for the dark bg too.

What about letting each syntax have at least a couple themes, with 
semi-standard names. (Light, Dark, etc) Then you could pick a default 
theme 'style' to use across the syntaxes, in addition of course to 
complete customization.



From cryo at diku.dk  Fri Oct  8 03:18:27 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:18:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <EA8CC65B-18D7-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<4165EB9F.1090000@v2studio.com>
	<EA8CC65B-18D7-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <B8802E62-18D8-11D9-AE3A-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 8/10-2004, at 5:12, Michael Sheets wrote:

>> I'm in for the dark bg too.
>
> What about letting each syntax have at least a couple themes, with 
> semi-standard names. (Light, Dark, etc) Then you could pick a default 
> theme 'style' to use across the syntaxes, in addition of course to 
> complete customization.

This has already been suggested, and is planned for the next version of 
the syntax highlight system, as well as other new features.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From k at v2studio.com  Fri Oct  8 03:22:24 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 00:22:24 -0300
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <EA8CC65B-18D7-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<4165EB9F.1090000@v2studio.com>
	<EA8CC65B-18D7-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <4621BD36-18D9-11D9-8A1D-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>


On Oct 08, 2004, at 00:12, Michael Sheets wrote:

>> I'm in for the dark bg too.
>
> What about letting each syntax have at least a couple themes, with 
> semi-standard names. (Light, Dark, etc) Then you could pick a default 
> theme 'style' to use across the syntaxes, in addition of course to 
> complete customization.
>

In private email, Allan said they thought about doing themes.

But then you have three syntax files to maintain, that only differ in 
color values,

The best solution, as someone's suggested before, is to do like jedit: 
provide some common names, preferably in abundance:
eg. string literal 1, 2 ,3 and 4

And them have themes that set colors for these common names.
(setting color by color is a bore, it'd be ideal if people could 
distribute their color settings)

It should still be possible to hardcode color values or to create 
custom color names, for really weird languages.




From cryo at diku.dk  Fri Oct  8 03:24:01 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:24:01 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Why is all the background colours dark ????
In-Reply-To: <4621BD36-18D9-11D9-8A1D-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>
References: <8867846A-1858-11D9-8F9D-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<B6BBF8C9-1869-11D9-912A-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<4165EB9F.1090000@v2studio.com>
	<EA8CC65B-18D7-11D9-8F8A-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
	<4621BD36-18D9-11D9-8A1D-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>
Message-ID: <8012BC32-18D9-11D9-AE3A-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Like Allan said in another mail on the list (I think), it will probably 
be a kind of "style sheet" where you can set various styles, that can 
then be used by all the syntax highlight definitions. Then switching 
the "style sheet" will instantly change your entire color profile. I am 
sure you will still be able to hardcode colors as well :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 03:48:32 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 05:48:32 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Tip] Embed selection in tag, lookup PHP functions
Message-ID: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

James A. Baker asked me for a BBEdit feature where the selection is 
wrapped in a tag, which you pick from a list of tags. But then his 
stream of thoughts derived the following TextMate solution, which I 
think was very neat:

Create this snippet, name it _wtag:
    <${2:tt}>$1</${2:tt}>$0

Then select Start Macro Recording and type:
    cmd-x, _wtag, tab, cmd-v, tab, stop recording, save it for later.

Now you have a macro which wraps the current selection inside a tag 
pair (the default tag name is tt, but you can change it). Press tab 
again after having typed the name to leave the snippet.


Another neat trick I saw on a blog (but unfortunately lost the 
reference) was a command configured to do:
    open http://php.net/$TM_CURRENT_WORD

So simple, and yet so powerful (it looks up the word under the caret in 
the PHP reference documentation).


It's really fantastic to see this end-user innovation, keep it up! :)

Kind regards Allan



From k at v2studio.com  Fri Oct  8 04:03:21 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:03:21 -0300
Subject: [TextMate] javascript syntax file
Message-ID: <FE4D8D09-18DE-11D9-90AA-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>

Here's the syntax file I mentioned before.

http://v2studio.com/temp/JavaScript.tmbundle.zip




From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 05:01:14 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 07:01:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Tip] Embed selection in tag, lookup PHP functions
In-Reply-To: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <149D5BC6-18E7-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 5:48, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> James A. Baker asked me for a BBEdit feature where the selection is 
> wrapped in a tag, which you pick from a list of tags. But then his 
> stream of thoughts derived the following TextMate solution, which I 
> think was very neat:
>
> Create this snippet, name it _wtag:
>    <${2:tt}>$1</${2:tt}>$0
>
> Then select Start Macro Recording and type:
>    cmd-x, _wtag, tab, cmd-v, tab, stop recording, save it for later.

Pressing ctrl-w first (select word) will make it work for the current 
word (w/o a selection), and if there's already a selection, it will 
expand the selection to word boundaries, which it most likely already 
is.  So this makes it easier for single words which needs to be 
embedded.

> Another neat trick I saw on a blog (but unfortunately lost the 
> reference) was a command configured to do:

And here's the link: 
http://sneer.org/archives/2004/10/06/textmate_first_impressions/


Kind regards Allan



From lists-2003 at alderete.com  Fri Oct  8 05:03:41 2004
From: lists-2003 at alderete.com (Michael A. Alderete)
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:03:41 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: undo/redo
In-Reply-To: <4444397B-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<4444397B-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <p06110405bd8bcf8975ce@[192.168.1.3]>

>> I do not know if this has been mentioned before, but the undo/redo
>> functionality needs improvements. What bothers me is that the undo
>> functionality will "undo" stuff character-by-character, and not by
>> block. I want block undos. Ideally, I would like to have more of a
>> VIM-like undo functionality.
>
>I'd prefer block as opposed to character as well

I'm curious if there is any practical reason why having
character-by-character Undo is actually useful. After all, I can just hit
the Backspace key, right?

It's only when the one character replaces a selection that Backspace
doesn't work at *least* as well as a character-by-character Undo. But a
character-replacing-selection would be considered a block, and so block
Undo would work fine.

Michael
-- 

_____________________________________________________________
Michael A. Alderete           <mailto:lists-2003 at alderete.com>
                                     <http://www.alderete.com>


From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Fri Oct  8 05:16:01 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 00:16:01 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] [Feature Request] Interarchy edit file over sftp
In-Reply-To: <p062007ffbd8a527f0e18@[203.8.112.3]>
Message-ID: <BD8B8CC1.11F91%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

Interarchy supports ediiting files over sftp.  It would make me ?berhappy is
TestMate would support this feature.  I asked the Interarchy developer what
details you would need to know to make this work.  He replied with the links
to the info below.

I know you intend to support editing files over sftp with TextMate in
version 1.1, but I like Interarchy and adding compatability to work with
Interarchy looks pretty simple.  So pretty please with sugar on top, add
this feature. :-D  Thanks,
Simon


------ Forwarded Message
From: Peter N Lewis <peter at stairways.com.au>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:06:08 +0800
To: Simon Dorfman <Simon at SimonDorfman.com>
Subject: Re: Edit with...   TextMate

>I want to ask the developer of a new text editor (TextMate macromates.com)
>to support your "Edit with..." feature.  What does he need to know to make
>it jive with Interarchy?

The details are at:

http://www.merzwaren.com/external_editor.html

and Bare Bones' original specification is at:
http://www.barebones.com/support/developer/odbsuite.html

If they drop me a line when it is implemented we'll be happy to add
TexMate to our list of possible editors.

Enjoy,
    Peter.

--
<http://www.stairways.com/>  <http://download.stairways.com/>



------ End of Forwarded Message




From justin.french at indent.com.au  Fri Oct  8 05:47:46 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:47:46 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] [Tip] Embed selection in tag, lookup PHP functions
In-Reply-To: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <94DA0140-18ED-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 08/10/2004, at 1:48 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> James A. Baker asked me for a BBEdit feature where the selection is 
> wrapped in a tag, which you pick from a list of tags. But then his 
> stream of thoughts derived the following TextMate solution, which I 
> think was very neat:
>
> Create this snippet, name it _wtag:
>    <${2:tt}>$1</${2:tt}>$0
>
> Then select Start Macro Recording and type:
>    cmd-x, _wtag, tab, cmd-v, tab, stop recording, save it for later.
>
> Now you have a macro which wraps the current selection inside a tag 
> pair (the default tag name is tt, but you can change it). Press tab 
> again after having typed the name to leave the snippet.

Added this to the HTML bundle for 1.0.1 (include a ^W word selection 
first).


> Another neat trick I saw on a blog (but unfortunately lost the 
> reference) was a command configured to do:
>    open http://php.net/$TM_CURRENT_WORD

Added this to the PHP bundle for 1.0.1 too :)


Justin



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 06:00:10 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:00:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Feature Request] Interarchy edit file over sftp
In-Reply-To: <BD8B8CC1.11F91%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BD8B8CC1.11F91%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <501B9E23-18EF-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 7:16, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> I know you intend to support editing files over sftp with TextMate in
> version 1.1, but I like Interarchy and adding compatability to work 
> with
> Interarchy looks pretty simple.  So pretty please with sugar on top, 
> add
> this feature. :-D  Thanks,

I shouldn't promise anything, but I think we can do this for 1.0.2 
(1.0.1 should be out in 1-2 weeks, and should take care of 90% of the 
initial feedback we've received).

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 06:08:42 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:08:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: undo/redo
In-Reply-To: <p06110405bd8bcf8975ce@[192.168.1.3]>
References: <53DCA328-187A-11D9-8B87-0050E4D0063B@iit.edu>
	<4444397B-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<p06110405bd8bcf8975ce@[192.168.1.3]>
Message-ID: <811121CF-18F0-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 7:03, Michael A. Alderete wrote:

> I'm curious if there is any practical reason why having
> character-by-character Undo is actually useful.

You can get to every intermediate editing step. I just had a case in 
Mail where I wanted to go back to an intermediate editing step, but 
that wasn't possible, and that state contained text which wasn't 
present in either ends of the block.

Not sure how it happened though.

But there'll be an option for block-undo in the future, knowing how 
frustrated I am with block-undo, I figure fans of this mode would be 
likewise frustrated by char-by-char undo.

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 06:22:10 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:22:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Would be cool to see invisible files
In-Reply-To: <D7781FC5-18B1-11D9-8E5C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <D7781FC5-18B1-11D9-8E5C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <62D925C4-18F2-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 0:40, hangonsoft at free.fr wrote:

> Just starting using RubyonRails....and each time i create a project  i 
> want to modify .htaccess to enable mod_ruby....and it's not possible.

The default file patterns are set to exclude hidden files, but that can 
be changed, click the I button in the project drawer when the folder is 
selected, you'd probably want to set the file pattern to (which hides 
hidden files *except* .htaccess):
    ^.*/(\.htaccess|(?!\.)[^/]*)$

In 1.0.1 it'll be possible to change the default patterns.

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 06:50:42 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:50:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] defining syntaxes
In-Reply-To: <E0DF2B71-17A1-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <86EB58C9-179D-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
	<E6EA13B2-179F-11D9-A26A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<E0DF2B71-17A1-11D9-85E1-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <5F22B44C-18F6-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 6. Oct 2004, at 16:13, Brian Lalor wrote:

>> 			patterns = ( include = "Java"; );
>
> Actually, I think you meant
> 	patterns = ( { include = "Java"; } );

Blush! :)

> I'm still not getting the foreground coloring like I expected.  Just 
> my plain old java mode has some keyword highlighting, but not when 
> embedded in HTML.

The include key only include the patterns. So you'll have to set the 
foreground for the rule. So that'd be (hopefully I get it right this 
time ;) ):

    { name = "Embedded Java";
      begin = "<%"; end = "%>";
      background = "#E5E5E5";
      foreground = "#rrggbb";
      patterns = ( { include = "Java"; } );
    }



Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 07:01:20 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:01:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feedback and feature requests
In-Reply-To: <BD898F35.3F2%Kevin.Hunt@centropy.com>
References: <BD898F35.3F2%Kevin.Hunt@centropy.com>
Message-ID: <DB8153D3-18F7-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 6. Oct 2004, at 21:01, Kevin Hunt wrote:

> The single biggest problem I've found so far is that it seems to load 
> files
> entirely into memory.  Try loading a 100MB enterprise server log in 
> TextMate
> and you'll see it die while consuming megabyte after megabyte of 
> memory.

There'll be a special mode for mapped files, but this is "sometime in 
the future", sorry.

> The second feature I'm looking for is a hex view/edit/search&replace.

I would like to have a hex mode, but it has low priority. What you can 
do is let 'xxd' convert it to hex, edit the file, and let 'xxd' convert 
it back.  Although not as elegant.

> Finally -- and this should be the easy one -- please add a "count" 
> button to
> the search window.  Often I want to count the occurrences of a certain 
> error
> message in a log, or see how many things I'm about to change by
> search&replace.

Ah, that's quite cool! I've added it to the to do.

Kind regards Allan



From jarkko at jlaine.net  Fri Oct  8 09:28:46 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 12:28:46 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <86879B7D-18CE-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<581E17AC-1897-11D9-B397-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<86879B7D-18CE-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <73F73DD7-190C-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

On 8.10.2004, at 05:05, Justin French wrote:
>
> It only works when you have text selected, otherwise, yes, it does the 
> whole file... I'll see if we can do a check for a selected text.

Justin,

One quick fix would be to add alt-w to the beginning of the macro. If 
there is a selection at hand, the command doesn't do anything (so the 
selection keeps intact), but if there's no selection, it selects the 
word you were typing. I think this is the behavior you'd want in 99% of 
the cases and at least you'd get rid of the "select the whole file" 
bug.

I've used the trick in all of my macros (that it suits) and have had no 
problems with it.

//jarkko
--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net
http://divingfinn.blogspot.com



From joost at greenskin.net  Fri Oct  8 09:39:18 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:39:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feedback and feature requests
In-Reply-To: <DB8153D3-18F7-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <BD898F35.3F2%Kevin.Hunt@centropy.com>
	<DB8153D3-18F7-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <41666046.10805@greenskin.net>

Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> The single biggest problem I've found so far is that it seems to load 
>> files
>> entirely into memory.  Try loading a 100MB enterprise server log in 
>> TextMate
>> and you'll see it die while consuming megabyte after megabyte of memory.
> 
> 
> There'll be a special mode for mapped files, but this is "sometime in 
> the future", sorry.

Perhaps pop up a warning dialog in 1.01 if the file exceeds N megabytes.

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 10:49:55 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 11:49:55 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Function list?
Message-ID: <BD8C2F63.4238%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Does anyone know if it would be possible to use the various extensions
within TextMate to provide a navigable list of functions within a class
file? A bit like the one BBEdit or SubEthaEdit has.



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From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 11:00:50 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 01:00:50 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
Message-ID: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

I'd like the ability to jump to a tag/rule/id/class/function via a 
pull-down menu. This comes in quite handy in long files.



From lists at allinthehead.com  Fri Oct  8 11:05:57 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 12:05:57 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Function list?
In-Reply-To: <BD8C2F63.4238%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD8C2F63.4238%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41667495.9010304@allinthehead.com>

Chris Jenkins wrote:
> Does anyone know if it would be possible to use the various extensions
> within TextMate to provide a navigable list of functions within a class
> file? A bit like the one BBEdit or SubEthaEdit has.

I can't answer your question, other than to say this has to be #1 on my 
wish list :)

drew.


From k at v2studio.com  Fri Oct  8 11:34:47 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:34:47 -0300
Subject: [TextMate] Function list?
In-Reply-To: <BD8C2F63.4238%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD8C2F63.4238%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <0ED0A8A0-191E-11D9-AD5E-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>

On Oct 08, 2004, at 07:49, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> Does anyone know if it would be possible to use the various extensions
> within TextMate to provide a navigable list of functions within a class
> file? A bit like the one BBEdit or SubEthaEdit has.
>

Here's a way to do it, not ideal, but:

Position the cursor before a def or function, or any word which defines 
the thing you want to find all of. Then go to menu "command/find word", 
you'll get a list of lines matching the word, from there, selecting an 
item will select it in the text window. you can probably assign a 
keyboard shortcut to it too.




From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Fri Oct  8 12:09:10 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:09:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Cursor size
Message-ID: <20041008120910.GA43702@tara.freenix.org>

I found the single pixel cursor rather difficult to see with a black
background (even though I've edited the bundle for Ruby now).  I'd like to
see an option to use a block cursor.

Thanks,
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 12:29:26 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:29:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 13:00, Timothy Martens wrote:

> I'd like the ability to jump to a tag/rule/id/class/function via a 
> pull-down menu. This comes in quite handy in long files.

This is requested _a lot_. It's scheduled to be added when we do the 
major syntax-system change, but *maybe* this one will be done before, 
seeing how frequently it comes up as a request.

Kind regards Allan



From david at loudthinking.com  Fri Oct  8 12:31:49 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:31:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Would be cool to see invisible files
In-Reply-To: <D7781FC5-18B1-11D9-8E5C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <D7781FC5-18B1-11D9-8E5C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <06BB1939-1926-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> Just starting using RubyonRails....and each time i create a project  i 
> want to modify .htaccess to enable mod_ruby....and it's not possible.

I hear ya. What I do is create a symlink like this:

ln -s public/.htaccess config/apache.conf

Now TextMate will pick up the apache.conf in config and you can edit it 
from there. Works great ;)
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 12:31:58 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:31:58 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Function list?
In-Reply-To: <0ED0A8A0-191E-11D9-AD5E-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>
References: <BD8C2F63.4238%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<0ED0A8A0-191E-11D9-AD5E-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>
Message-ID: <0BBD62CB-1926-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 13:34, Caio Chassot wrote:

> Position the cursor before a def or function, or any word which 
> defines the thing you want to find all of. Then go to menu 
> "command/find word", you'll get a list of lines matching the word, 
> from there, selecting an item will select it in the text window. you 
> can probably assign a keyboard shortcut to it too.

Actually, the ?Find word? command can easily be changed (or duplicated, 
then changed) to find a specific regular expression. That way you won't 
have to navigate to the function prototype first.

Kind regards Allan



From clintecker at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 12:34:10 2004
From: clintecker at gmail.com (Clint Ecker)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 08:34:10 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Working with multiple screens
In-Reply-To: <2002DF23-189B-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <41659AFE.5080607@allinthehead.com>
	<20041007194204.GA3631@elitists.net>
	<2002DF23-189B-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <63a0f2c50410080534172f2dfe@mail.gmail.com>

You can do "extending" on any white iBook with an appropriate video
card by applying a small hack (twiddling some bits in NVram).  There
is even a little app that does it now.  I've used it many times on my
old iBook g3 900 and on my new iBook G4 1GHz.

http://www.rutemoeller.com/mp/ibook/ibook_e.html is the site.


On Thu, 7 Oct 2004 22:57:32 +0300, Jarkko Laine <jarkko at jlaine.net> wrote:
> 
> On 7.10.2004, at 22:42, Scott Barron wrote:
> >
> > Hmm, I use dual head on my ibook and if I pull the monitor plug out
> > textmate does come back to the LCD screen though it's size is a little
> > wonky.  It looks like it does try to resize but that perhaps it's not
> > taking the size of the drawer into account.  It's not positioned
> > perfectly zoomed, as it was on the monitor screen (which is of a higher
> > resolution than the LCD).  That's my experience anyway.
> 
> Scott,
> 
> Are you talking about mirroring the screen or extending it to the
> bigger screen? As far as I remember iBook was only able to mirror the
> screen, not to extend it.
> 
> //jarkko
> 
> --
> Jarkko Laine
> http://jlaine.net
> http://divingfinn.blogspot.com
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>


From david at loudthinking.com  Fri Oct  8 12:49:18 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 14:49:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] saving files that need auth doesn't seem to work
In-Reply-To: <3DC76F7B-18AC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <689059740410071456682e171d@mail.gmail.com>
	<3DC76F7B-18AC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <77F47CE1-1928-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> Using something like: "sudo open -a TextMate <file>" will not cause TM 
> to run with super user privileges.

What will work, though, is using this fabulous program called Pseudo:

http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/9608

With that you can launch any GUI application as root.

.Of course native support for this in TextMate is even better, but 
until then, you might want to give Pseudo a shot.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From richbarton at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 12:49:33 2004
From: richbarton at mac.com (Rich Barton)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 13:49:33 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Praise and Comments
Message-ID: <809EFD23-1928-11D9-A336-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>

Just thought I'd chime in with my experiences of using TM over the last 
couple of days.

Firstly, may I heap lavish praise on the developer(s). The 
live-updating project drawer (despite its shortcomings, below) is 
fantastic, and the Esc autocomplete is nothing short of magic. How does 
it *always* seem to guess the right completion for a given start string 
out of many possibilities?  Regardless, this has made coding a lot less 
laborious. The snippet and macro features are also great time savers.

But enough of the praise, here's my comments and suggestions :-)

* I rarely want to view the ASCII version of an image file. How about a 
preview of the image in the editor pane instead?
* Whilst speed is generally not an issue, there is an annoying 2-4 
second delay (i.e. spinning beach-ball) when switching to TM when I've 
got an (open) project located on an SMB share.
* By default, TM requires a lot of keyboard mashing for relatively 
common commands. For instance, I see no reason why the Command + Option 
+ Control + D for toggling the project drawer can't simply be Command + 
D (in fact, I've hacked this myself in IB and it works fine)
* How about a split view (i.e. the ability to see different sections of 
the same document at once)?
* TM doesn't seem to remember the window scroll position if you do the 
following: open a document (that scrolls), and scroll down without 
changing the insertion point. Switch to another document/tab. Switch 
back. The window scroll position is back to its original position, and 
is no longer at the section of text I was looking at.
* When searching within a document for a string located "below the 
fold", the matching string barely creeps "above the fold", i.e. is 
bottom aligned relative to the window. This makes it harder to see the 
match in context. I prefer the behaviour (which I believe BBEdit 
exhibits) whereby the matching string is centred vertically in the 
window, making it easier to spot and put in context.
* How about being able to create a "real" folder (as opposed to a 
group) in the project draw?
* I would like the group name to be selected and editable immediately 
after its creation, ? la "New Folder" in the Finder
* The Shift Left/Shift Right commands exhibit weird behaviour. I expect 
them to work like Command + [ and Command + ] in BBEdit or SubEthaEdit, 
but they don't. (Sorry for the vagueness. It's easier for you to see it 
yourself than for me to describe how.)

Overall, I like the direction TextMate is going in.

Regards,

Rich Barton


From raena at raena.net  Fri Oct  8 13:16:39 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:16:39 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Love for Textmate, and some thoughts/observations
Message-ID: <49F2377D-192C-11D9-AF86-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

Hey,

Thanks for a really neat product.  I'm still messing about with it, but 
I think it's a keeper.

I've noticed some things, though --

Odd help behaviour: the tooltip that appears when you hover over the 
Commands textarea says that you can use the purple help icon to get a 
full list of TextMate's exported variables, but that just goes to the 
Commands reference page instead.  There's a small link to the list of 
variables, sure, but maybe the list of variables belongs on that page 
too? (or it should link there as advertised, instead?)

Also, why does selecting Help *from the Help menu,* while the commands 
window is open, mean that it goes to that page?  I understand that 
context is cool, but I expect to find that choosing '(AppName) Help' 
from the Help menu would take me to the app's help index page.

Second: the whole dealie about the preferences window has been 
discussed, it seems, but it's also something I miss. While there's 
nothing that really *has* to be in a preference window, it seems 
logical to me that per-document options ought to be kept well away from 
the permanent ones.

Third, I'm not sure if it's my own font problems or not, but I've never 
noticed it any other place -- when I'm using any bitmap font the first 
character in a line has a larger gap between it and the next character. 
  You can see this in action here:
<http://www.raena.net/images/gappy.gif>

Fourth, why is Page Up and Down moving the insertion point?  Can one 
change that at all?

And finally, I'm not really concerned with (s)ftp support myself since 
I prefer to use Transmit, but does anyone know how i can tell Transmit 
to make TextMate available in its list of external editors? Can that be 
done at all?



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct  8 14:07:12 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:07:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Love for Textmate, and some thoughts/observations
In-Reply-To: <49F2377D-192C-11D9-AF86-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
References: <49F2377D-192C-11D9-AF86-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
Message-ID: <5A04066A-1933-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 8. Oct 2004, at 15:16, Raena Armitage wrote:

> Odd help behaviour: the tooltip that appears when you hover over the 
> Commands textarea says that you can use the purple help icon to get a 
> full list of TextMate's exported variables, but that just goes to the 
> Commands reference page instead.  There's a small link to the list of 
> variables, sure, but maybe the list of variables belongs on that page 
> too? (or it should link there as advertised, instead?)

Yes, I think I'll change text of the tool tip, since the commands help 
page really should be the one linked, and the environment variables are 
present in all shell contexts, so it needs to be on a separate page 
(but I can make the link from the commands page at the top and more 
prominent.)

> Also, why does selecting Help *from the Help menu,* while the commands 
> window is open, mean that it goes to that page? [...]

That's a bug (which I was unaware of).

> Third, I'm not sure if it's my own font problems or not, but I've 
> never noticed it any other place -- when I'm using any bitmap font the 
> first character in a line has a larger gap between it and the next 
> character.  You can see this in action here:

By default ATSUI uses the fractional glyph widths for advancement. I 
*think* this might be the problem here (NSLayoutManager use rounded 
numbers for glyph advancement).  It would be nice if you could send me 
the font -- eventually I'll switch to NSLayoutManager font rendering, 
but in the meantime I'll try to tweak ATSUI for optimal on-screen 
display.

> Fourth, why is Page Up and Down moving the insertion point?  Can one 
> change that at all?

Yes -- Help / Key Bindings tells how to make a local copy of the key 
bindings file, this file contains:
     "\UF72C" = "movePageUp:";
     "\UF72D" = "movePageDown:";

Change these to:
     "\UF72C" = "scrollPageUp:";
     "\UF72D" = "scrollPageDown:";

And then it'll only move the scroll bar.

> And finally, I'm not really concerned with (s)ftp support myself since 
> I prefer to use Transmit, but does anyone know how i can tell Transmit 
> to make TextMate available in its list of external editors? Can that 
> be done at all?

Probably Transmit should be able to download a copy of a document and 
open it with TextMate (I'm not a Transmit user, so I can't say), but 
TextMate doesn't (currently) support the BBEdit editor interface, so 
saving the file from TextMate won't notify Transmit -- but we'll add 
support for this interface in the future.


Kind regards Allan



From raena at raena.net  Fri Oct  8 14:49:22 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:49:22 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Love for Textmate, and some thoughts/observations
In-Reply-To: <5A04066A-1933-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <49F2377D-192C-11D9-AF86-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<5A04066A-1933-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <3E054E7E-1939-11D9-AF86-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

On 09/10/2004, at 1:07 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> By default ATSUI uses the fractional glyph widths for advancement. I 
> *think* this might be the problem here (NSLayoutManager use rounded 
> numbers for glyph advancement).  It would be nice if you could send me 
> the font -- eventually I'll switch to NSLayoutManager font rendering, 
> but in the meantime I'll try to tweak ATSUI for optimal on-screen 
> display.

That one was just Monaco, which you'd have already (email coming off 
list). Some other fonts exhibit the behaviour at other sizes; sometimes 
not at all.  It never seems to happen with antialiased fonts, though.

Meanwhile, thanks a heap for the key binding tip.  That said, it's 
still not consistent with how Mac apps usually work.



From ianp at ianp.org  Fri Oct  8 15:07:36 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:07:36 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] My first impression (mostly syntax coloring issues)
In-Reply-To: <B5BAF2E9-18BD-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <13B60A36-1858-11D9-9F18-000393760292@io.com>
	<4B3DE479-1860-11D9-A992-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
	<4165647C.8030303@io.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0410070952250.18096@deneb.unm.edu>
	<6A3C3856-18BC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<B5BAF2E9-18BD-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CA228DEC-193B-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

The syntax highlighting is done with regular expressions. There's an 
Oreilly book on the subject, or the java.util.regex.Pattern Javadoc 
page has a reasonably good introduction to the subject. It's at

http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/docs/api/java/util/regex/Pattern.html

Ian.

On Oct 8, 2004, at 01:05, timothy martens wrote:

>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 1:55 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>>
>> But style sheets a la CSS with selectors would probably be pretty 
>> flexible. Initially we postponed this, because we figured it would 
>> come off as too complex. But given the proper GUI editor, it'll 
>> probably appear as a huge simplification for most ;)
>
> INDEED. All these syntax highlighting examples (wat language are they 
> in) are like Greek to me.
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
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#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From ianp at ianp.org  Fri Oct  8 15:16:54 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:16:54 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Have a look at http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html for a collection 
of pointers and download links to user contributed bundles.

If you have any to add send them to me at ianp at ianp.org.

Ian.

On Oct 8, 2004, at 00:36, timothy martens wrote:

>
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:26 AM, Merlin Mann wrote:
>
>> Hey,
>>
>> This might have come up already, but I think it would helpful to have 
>> a single page that collects (or at least points to) all the available 
>> add-ons folks have put together for TextMate, such as bundles, 
>> syntaxes, snippets, and so on. A two-line summary of what it does 
>> (with screenshots where possible) would also be great.
>>
>> I agree that the power of TextMate comes from unlocking its _insane_ 
>> amount of configurability. But, I also suspect that some of the 
>> nay-sayers--especially those less experienced with the power of a 
>> shell--would be much more inspired if they saw what they could *do* 
>> with TM (without having to build the actual widgets themselves).
>
> Here, here. It would be great to have a central repository for 
> development. I'm a shell neophyte and it is really helpful for me to 
> be able to see concrete examples.
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From ianp at ianp.org  Fri Oct  8 15:30:58 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:30:58 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Bundles List Update
Message-ID: <0D585859-193F-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Hi All,

Been a bit busy at work today, but the list is updated now. So far we 
have:

C
C/C++/Objective-C
Java
JavaScript
Mono/C# (now updated with compile output support thanks to Jan Sabbe).
OCaml
PHP Smarty
Python
XML

Have a nice day!

Yours,
Ian.

#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From david at loudthinking.com  Fri Oct  8 15:46:52 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:46:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> Have a look at http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html for a collection  
> of pointers and download links to user contributed bundles.

Great stuff, Ian!

We've blogged your page already:
http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2004/10/08/textmate-bundles-here- 
there-and-everywhere/
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS  
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From ianp at ianp.org  Fri Oct  8 16:10:58 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:10:58 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Bundles List Update
In-Reply-To: <0D585859-193F-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <0D585859-193F-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <A441747A-1944-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

Just added: LaTeX (and BibTex)!

Ian.

On Oct 8, 2004, at 16:30, Ian Phillips wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Been a bit busy at work today, but the list is updated now. So far we 
> have:
>
> C
> C/C++/Objective-C
> Java
> JavaScript
> Mono/C# (now updated with compile output support thanks to Jan Sabbe).
> OCaml
> PHP Smarty
> Python
> XML
>
> Have a nice day!
>
> Yours,
> Ian.
>
> #ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
> #include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
> #endif
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
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#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From johans at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 16:19:54 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:19:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
Message-ID: <6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>

Not to belittle Ian's effort (which I'm sure we all appreciate), but
wouldn't it be a good idea to have such a thing as part of the
macromates site? Or is that already planned?

- johan

On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:46:52 +0200, David Heinemeier Hansson
<david at loudthinking.com> wrote:
> > Have a look at http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html for a collection
> > of pointers and download links to user contributed bundles.
> 
> Great stuff, Ian!
> 
> We've blogged your page already:
> http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2004/10/08/textmate-bundles-here-
> there-and-everywhere/
> --
> David Heinemeier Hansson,
> http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
> http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
> http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS
> X
> http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
> http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
> http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From chris at cjack.com  Fri Oct  8 16:19:06 2004
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:19:06 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <C7321FC4-1945-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>


On Oct 8, 2004, at 5:29 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> This is requested _a lot_. It's scheduled to be added when we do the 
> major syntax-system change, but *maybe* this one will be done before, 
> seeing how frequently it comes up as a request.

Just a me too: I'd love to see it sooner rather than later. :) It's the 
one thing that I use regularly in Xcode that I can't add through 
TextMate's customization features.

Chris


From david at loudthinking.com  Fri Oct  8 16:24:54 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:24:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <96866330-1946-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> Not to belittle Ian's effort (which I'm sure we all appreciate), but
> wouldn't it be a good idea to have such a thing as part of the
> macromates site? Or is that already planned?

That is indeed planned, but Ian beat us to the punch. So while we 
figure out how best to do it, Ian's site will serve as a pointer to all 
the syntaxes we should have a look at.

The best of each will end up in the main distribution itself. We expect 
to have a lot more native support when 1.0.1 ships in about two weeks.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From lists at bebop.net  Fri Oct  8 16:31:36 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 09:31:36 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <C7321FC4-1945-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C7321FC4-1945-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
Message-ID: <85AF7811-1947-11D9-B6A5-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>> This is requested _a lot_. It's scheduled to be added when we do the 
>> major syntax-system change, but *maybe* this one will be done before, 
>> seeing how frequently it comes up as a request.
>
> Just a me too: I'd love to see it sooner rather than later. :) It's 
> the one thing that I use regularly in Xcode that I can't add through 
> TextMate's customization features.

Another me too - but do it better! Provide a hot key to access (switch 
focus to) the pull down menu and then make it navigable with up and 
down arrows. The let the user tab to select the highlighted function 
and switch focus back to the main document with the insertion point at 
the function selected.



From ianp at ianp.org  Fri Oct  8 16:55:59 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:55:59 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EE204830-194A-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

That's OK. According to Allan MacroMates plan to host something like 
this themselves when time allows. Also, some of these bundles will be 
included in the 1.0.1 release (not sure when it's due out though).

Ian.

On Oct 8, 2004, at 17:19, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> Not to belittle Ian's effort (which I'm sure we all appreciate), but
> wouldn't it be a good idea to have such a thing as part of the
> macromates site? Or is that already planned?
>
> - johan
>
> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:46:52 +0200, David Heinemeier Hansson
> <david at loudthinking.com> wrote:
>>> Have a look at http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html for a 
>>> collection
>>> of pointers and download links to user contributed bundles.
>>
>> Great stuff, Ian!
>>
>> We've blogged your page already:
>> http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2004/10/08/textmate-bundles-here-
>> there-and-everywhere/
>> --
>> David Heinemeier Hansson,
>> http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
>> http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
>> http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for 
>> OS
>> X
>> http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
>> http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
>> http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Johan S?rensen
> Professional Futurist
> www.johansorensen.com
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From profprof at mac.com  Fri Oct  8 18:20:31 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 14:20:31 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Latex, python and TAB behaviour
Message-ID: <13232237.1097259631339.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

I have just downloaded textmate and I looks like a very promising editor. I hope to be able to use it soon! 

I would very much like to see an environment for both latex and python. Those two environments are those I am in most of the time. I am sure that I not alone. 


Also, to me the tab behaviour of Emacs (where you can press tab anywhere on a line to align the content of the line) is a big plus when programming. It helps structure back the code rapidly. This feature would be part of a more global automatic formatting for programs but at least it is almost essential. 

This being said, you are doing an excellent work! 

Congratulations and I look forward to your next version which might include these features. 



From cryo at tiscali.dk  Fri Oct  8 19:19:33 2004
From: cryo at tiscali.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:19:33 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <EE204830-194A-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>
	<EE204830-194A-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
Message-ID: <FC6D6A6A-195E-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@tiscali.dk>

On 8/10-2004, at 18:55, Ian Phillips wrote:

> That's OK. According to Allan MacroMates plan to host something like 
> this themselves when time allows. Also, some of these bundles will be 
> included in the 1.0.1 release (not sure when it's due out though).

Probably due in 1-2 weeks from now, depending on how many things will 
be put into it from the many suggestions and fortunately few bug 
reports :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Fri Oct  8 20:14:13 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:14:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM and hard links
Message-ID: <20041008201413.GB46969@tara.freenix.org>

Hi Allan,

I've hit something that bother me a lot since I use Arch/tla[1] as version
control software.  It has a feature where files are shared through hard links
in a revision library meaning that if across several changesets, a given file
doesn't change, it is stored only one time.

That requires that the editor one use to edit the file break hard links on
Save (i.e. creating the new file and renaming instead of save in-place). Emacs
does that by default and vim can be tweaked to do it too. I don't know what
BBEdit does because I've never used it outside the demo mode.

I've already bought TM because I think it is a great editor but to be able to
use it for all my developements, I need TM to behave like the above.  The
default behaviour is breaking all revisions stored in the library :(

Thoughts, comments?
-----
[1] http://gnuarch.org/
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From cryo at diku.dk  Fri Oct  8 20:19:37 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:19:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM and hard links
In-Reply-To: <20041008201413.GB46969@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041008201413.GB46969@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <608A55CC-1967-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 8/10-2004, at 22:14, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> I've hit something that bother me a lot since I use Arch/tla[1] as 
> version
> control software.  It has a feature where files are shared through 
> hard links
> in a revision library meaning that if across several changesets, a 
> given file
> doesn't change, it is stored only one time.
> [...]
> Thoughts, comments?

I have some...  I am against this as a _default behaviour_, because it 
can of course be less efficient and there can certainlty be times where 
you DON'T want to break your links...  granted that hard links are 
rarely used. I think it would be nice as an option in a future version 
:-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Fri Oct  8 20:35:38 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 22:35:38 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM and hard links
In-Reply-To: <608A55CC-1967-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <20041008201413.GB46969@tara.freenix.org>
	<608A55CC-1967-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <9D3ED470-1969-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 8/10-2004, at 22:19, Sune Foldager wrote:
> I have some...  I am against this as a _default behaviour_, because it 
> can of course be less efficient and there can certainlty be times 
> where you DON'T want to break your links...  granted that hard links 
> are rarely used. I think it would be nice as an option in a future 
> version :-).

Comming to think about it, since the entire file is written out all the 
time, it probably won't make any speed difference... there could be a 
permission problem though.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 20:35:59 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:35:59 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Cursor size
In-Reply-To: <20041008120910.GA43702@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041008120910.GA43702@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <A99813E2-1969-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:09 AM, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> I found the single pixel cursor rather difficult to see with a black
> background (even though I've edited the bundle for Ruby now).  I'd 
> like to
> see an option to use a block cursor.

yes, block cursor like in Terminal



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 20:36:32 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:36:32 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <BD5AE18E-1969-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:29 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 8. Oct 2004, at 13:00, Timothy Martens wrote:
>
>> I'd like the ability to jump to a tag/rule/id/class/function via a 
>> pull-down menu. This comes in quite handy in long files.
>
> This is requested _a lot_. It's scheduled to be added when we do the 
> major syntax-system change, but *maybe* this one will be done before, 
> seeing how frequently it comes up as a request.

Nice one!



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 20:39:08 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:39:08 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Praise and Comments
In-Reply-To: <809EFD23-1928-11D9-A336-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
References: <809EFD23-1928-11D9-A336-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <1A6FFF7E-196A-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 8, 2004, at 2:49 AM, Rich Barton wrote:

> * I would like the group name to be selected and editable immediately 
> after its creation, ? la "New Folder" in the Finder

me too


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 20:47:51 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:47:51 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Page for contributed stuff?
In-Reply-To: <96866330-1946-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<B21BF55A-18B9-11D9-AD1A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<16AAC6B1-193D-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<45EFDD1C-1941-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<6890597404100809191a210337@mail.gmail.com>
	<96866330-1946-11D9-A57C-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
Message-ID: <52081D47-196B-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 8, 2004, at 6:24 AM, David Heinemeier Hansson wrote:

> That is indeed planned, but Ian beat us to the punch. So while we 
> figure out how best to do it, Ian's site will serve as a pointer to 
> all the syntaxes we should have a look at.

There's this cool little application called Instiki which might suit 
the task rather well?    : )



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct  8 20:49:27 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 10:49:27 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <85AF7811-1947-11D9-B6A5-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C7321FC4-1945-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
	<85AF7811-1947-11D9-B6A5-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <8B794A40-196B-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 8, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

>>> This is requested _a lot_. It's scheduled to be added when we do the 
>>> major syntax-system change, but *maybe* this one will be done 
>>> before, seeing how frequently it comes up as a request.
>>
>> Just a me too: I'd love to see it sooner rather than later. :) It's 
>> the one thing that I use regularly in Xcode that I can't add through 
>> TextMate's customization features.
>
> Another me too - but do it better! Provide a hot key to access (switch 
> focus to) the pull down menu and then make it navigable with up and 
> down arrows. The let the user tab to select the highlighted function 
> and switch focus back to the main document with the insertion point at 
> the function selected.

Brilliant suggestion Jeff! It is rather unwieldy to have to click on a 
pull-down and manually navigate its content with the mouse.



From textmate at mimicry.org  Fri Oct  8 22:05:32 2004
From: textmate at mimicry.org (textmate at mimicry.org)
Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 18:05:32 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <8B794A40-196B-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C7321FC4-1945-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
	<85AF7811-1947-11D9-B6A5-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<8B794A40-196B-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <2C0DB8C0-1976-11D9-8039-0030654E281C@mimicry.org>

On 8 Oct, 2004, at 4:49 PM, Timothy Martens wrote:

>
> On Oct 8, 2004, at 6:31 AM, Jeff Ganyard wrote:
>>
>> Another me too - but do it better! Provide a hot key to access 
>> (switch focus to) the pull down menu and then make it navigable with 
>> up and down arrows. The let the user tab to select the highlighted 
>> function and switch focus back to the main document with the 
>> insertion point at the function selected.
>
> Brilliant suggestion Jeff! It is rather unwieldy to have to click on a 
> pull-down and manually navigate its content with the mouse.

Ctrl-2 pops up the function menu in Xcode and SubEthaEdit. If TextMate 
adds this, it should probably adopt this convention as well.

John



From guanix at gmail.com  Fri Oct  8 22:09:16 2004
From: guanix at gmail.com (Guan Yang)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:09:16 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Unsubscribe from this list?
Message-ID: <9095517b04100815092cd479b@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone successfully unsubscribed from this list? When I hit either
the "password reminder" or "unsubscribe" button in the Mailman web
interface, I don't get any email from the Mailman. But he's happy
enough to deliver the list messages.

Guan


From lists at bebop.net  Fri Oct  8 22:30:46 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 15:30:46 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <2C0DB8C0-1976-11D9-8039-0030654E281C@mimicry.org>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B1B31C01-1925-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C7321FC4-1945-11D9-B2EC-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
	<85AF7811-1947-11D9-B6A5-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
	<8B794A40-196B-11D9-8036-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<2C0DB8C0-1976-11D9-8039-0030654E281C@mimicry.org>
Message-ID: <B2C855D4-1979-11D9-9207-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>>> Another me too - but do it better! Provide a hot key to access 
>>> (switch focus to) the pull down menu and then make it navigable with 
>>> up and down arrows. The let the user tab to select the highlighted 
>>> function and switch focus back to the main document with the 
>>> insertion point at the function selected.
>>
>> Brilliant suggestion Jeff! It is rather unwieldy to have to click on 
>> a pull-down and manually navigate its content with the mouse.
>
> Ctrl-2 pops up the function menu in Xcode and SubEthaEdit. If TextMate 
> adds this, it should probably adopt this convention as well.

Thanks for the tip! Where did you find that fro Xcode?
I looked through the key bindings pref panel, never saw it..

jeff



From blalor at bravo5.org  Fri Oct  8 22:46:01 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:46:01 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] HTML attributes coloring?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d8041007163816e28cfe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d8041007163816e28cfe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D404A019-197B-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:38 PM, bongoman wrote:

> Is it open to me to set HTML attributes to have a different color to
> the tag itself?

I think the HTML syntax highlighting already does that...

I've got the following in my XML.plist, which is copied in large part 
from HTML.plist:
                 /* nodes */
                 {
                         name = "nodes";
                         begin = "</?([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+)";
                         end = "(/?)>";
                         "elementFontStyle[1]" = ( underline );

                         foregroundColor = "#0066CC";

                         patterns = (
                                 { name = "Option"; match = " 
([a-zA-Z\-]+)"; },
                                 { name = "Double Quoted String"; begin 
= "\""; end = "\"";  foregroundColor = "#CC3300";},
                                 { name = "Single Quoted String"; begin 
= "'"; end = "'"; fontStyle = (  ); foregroundColor = "#CC3300"; },
                         );
                 },


That sets the tag to one color, keys to another, and values to a third.

Or was that not what you wanted?

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From if at glyf.org  Fri Oct  8 22:48:01 2004
From: if at glyf.org (Philipf)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:48:01 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate wiki
Message-ID: <1BF44974-197C-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>

Hello,

I've setup a wiki[1] to collect various TextMate add-ons. The general 
layout is still under construction, but feel free to modify anything.

This is obviously temporary solution until macromates configure their 
own repository. I'll make sure that useful content gets transfered 
later on. Also the wiki is not intended to replace Ian Phillips bundle 
page[2], but rather to complement it.

I took a liberty of using TextMate icon. Please tell me if that's not 
ok, and I'll remove it.

[1] http://glyf.org/TextMate/
[2] http://ianp.org/articles/textmate.html


---
Philipf



From blalor at bravo5.org  Fri Oct  8 23:00:33 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 18:00:33 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] [Tip] Embed selection in tag, lookup PHP functions
In-Reply-To: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <ECD4E8E8-18DC-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <DBAE42E0-197D-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 7, 2004, at 10:48 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Another neat trick I saw on a blog (but unfortunately lost the 
> reference) was a command configured to do:
>    open http://php.net/$TM_CURRENT_WORD

Ah, it's amazing what you can do when you have a completely flat 
namespace, eh?  No hierarchy of commands to muck up your search engine. 
:-)

(I did PHP for a number of years, but I'm all better now.)

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From erichsu at math.sfsu.edu  Fri Oct  8 23:38:37 2004
From: erichsu at math.sfsu.edu (Eric Hsu)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 16:38:37 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] quickie Perl syntax coloring
In-Reply-To: <20041008230037.CEDB911DC@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041008230037.CEDB911DC@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <p0611042bbd8cd50e26e8@[192.168.1.102]>

Hi folks,

I wanted to try TM for Perl programming, so I whipped up a quickie 
syntax coloring bundle, available at 
<http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu/textmate>. You might not like my subtle 
colors. Feel free to change them for yourself.

I'm certain this work can be improved. If you do modify it, I'd 
appreciate your sending me the improved copy!

best wishes, Eric
-- 
Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics
San Francisco State University
erichsu at math.sfsu.edu
http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu


From infolists at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 02:03:53 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:03:53 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] HTML attributes coloring?
In-Reply-To: <D404A019-197B-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <8d5544d8041007163816e28cfe@mail.gmail.com>
	<D404A019-197B-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804100819034dd9cd3a@mail.gmail.com>

It is what I meant, I'm just not seeing the highlighting take effect.
I better go back and take a closer look at the relevant bundle files.

Thanks.


On Fri, 8 Oct 2004 17:46:01 -0500, Brian Lalor <blalor at bravo5.org> wrote:
> On Oct 7, 2004, at 6:38 PM, bongoman wrote:
> 
> > Is it open to me to set HTML attributes to have a different color to
> > the tag itself?
> 
> I think the HTML syntax highlighting already does that...
> 
> I've got the following in my XML.plist, which is copied in large part
> from HTML.plist:
>                  /* nodes */
>                  {
>                          name = "nodes";
>                          begin = "</?([-_a-zA-Z0-9]+)";
>                          end = "(/?)>";
>                          "elementFontStyle[1]" = ( underline );
> 
>                          foregroundColor = "#0066CC";
> 
>                          patterns = (
>                                  { name = "Option"; match = "
> ([a-zA-Z\-]+)"; },
>                                  { name = "Double Quoted String"; begin
> = "\""; end = "\"";  foregroundColor = "#CC3300";},
>                                  { name = "Single Quoted String"; begin
> = "'"; end = "'"; fontStyle = (  ); foregroundColor = "#CC3300"; },
>                          );
>                  },
> 
> That sets the tag to one color, keys to another, and values to a third.
> 
> Or was that not what you wanted?
> 
> --
>     __   ____
>    / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
>   / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
> /_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/
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>


From blalor at bravo5.org  Sat Oct  9 02:51:22 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Fri, 8 Oct 2004 21:51:22 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] folding bug? (or: help me make this work!)
Message-ID: <1A812640-199E-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

I'm trying to work out a couple of bugs in my XML syntax.  I may have 
uncovered a bug in the folding code, or I may just be suffering from 
regexp brainfade...

What I was originally trying to accomplish was two types of folding.  I 
wanted the following to fold up:
	(begin)    <foo>
	              <bar />
	 (end)     </foo>

... and I also wanted this to fold:
	(begin)    <foo key="value"
	 (end)          key1="value" />

The latter would ideally fold to
	<foo key="value"(...)

Am I correct in believing that this second form can't be accomplished 
with the simple folding marker regexps available now?  The help doc 
says that it expects the end folding marker to be on the same indent 
level as the start folding marker, and the second form definitely is 
not.

Now, for the part that may be a bug:

I haven't found a regexp that will make TM *ignore* the abbreviated 
(but multi-line) XML element above (the 2nd one).  Perhaps this is all 
well and good, except that TM seems to rather arbitrarily match the 
would-be end tag for the shortened element.  I'll annotate the 
screenshot below:
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Line 62 starts one of those singleton elements.  Note that there is no 
closing tag, but at line 67, another element begins as the same indent 
level.  In the current state, if I use the folding start button in the 
gutter at line 62, TM folds the document to line 72 (the end of the 
first </target> text).  If I fold the "clean" target (lines 67 to 71) 
and then fold the <target> at line 62, TM folds all the way to line 92.

It seems to me that TM should stop searching for a match if a new start 
fold marker is discovered at the same indent level.  Is that correct, 
or are my regexps just more sloppy than I thought they were? :-)

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/

From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 03:32:28 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 05:32:28 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] folding bug? (or: help me make this work!)
In-Reply-To: <1A812640-199E-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <1A812640-199E-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <D8454EC2-19A3-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 4:51, Brian Lalor wrote:

> I haven't found a regexp that will make TM *ignore* the abbreviated
> (but multi-line) XML element above (the 2nd one). [...]

Currently all matching is done on a single line at a time.

I'll keep this limitation in mind when I refine the folding system.

Kind regards Allan



From james at spahr.org  Sat Oct  9 04:30:55 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 00:30:55 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Alternate Icon & updated Smarty Syntax file
Message-ID: <027DC0B1-19AC-11D9-88CD-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>


I quickly created an alternate icon that is distinctive in the dock and 
says a little bit about what the application does. (It's not brilliant, 
but I think it's functionally a little better). The icon may be used 
freely for non-commercial purposes.

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Alternate Textmate icon
http://www.spahr.org/share/textmate_icon.zip

Updated Smarty Syntax (same URL as previous version)
http://www.spahr.org/share/PHP_Smarty.tmbundle.zip

James.

From craig at eigentone-solo.net  Sat Oct  9 05:37:59 2004
From: craig at eigentone-solo.net (Craig Davey)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 01:37:59 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Selection/Caret with Syntax Coloring
Message-ID: <6125D133-19B5-11D9-B9C0-000A95DBF040@eigentone-solo.net>

Hi

It would be excellent if one could set a custom selection color in 
syntax plists. I was rather excited to see the feature under View: Show 
Color Settings, but unimpressed that it was not used when syntax 
coloring was enabled. Might there be an undocumented property to set it 
in a syntax file?

- craig davey



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 06:29:20 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 08:29:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] OCaml bundle + observations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410071526000.1321@egor.unm.edu>
References: <A3541DE8-187D-11D9-BBD2-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<94517ECA-1894-11D9-AA65-000A95D0E4AA@imaginaryfriend.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0410071526000.1321@egor.unm.edu>
Message-ID: <8D593323-19BC-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 7. Oct 2004, at 23:31, William Douglas Neumann wrote:

> 4: Does anyone know how to handle nested comments?  In OCaml, the 
> following is a valid comment Note: the (* and *) are comment 
> delimiters:

Currently we do not support recursive definitions in the syntax files 
(i.e. arbitrary nesting), though it _will_ be added in the future!

> [...] If I try to swallow the internal comment with this pattern:
> 	"\\(\\*.*\\*\\)"; <snip> }, then the comment coloring does not end 
> with the comment.  I'm a bit of a regex schnook, so any help here 
> would be appreciated...

The problem is that .* is a greedy match, so it'll match from the start 
of the nested comment till the end of the entire comment (skipping over 
the nested '*)').

You can add ? to the repeat to make it non-greedy, and then it'll work. 
I.e. the pattern becomes (with escapes):
    "\\(\\*.*?\\*\\)"

> 5: Not sure if this was mentioned yet, but code inserted via Snippets 
> is not indented according to the syntax rules.

Can you give an example? I don't think there should be any syntax aware 
indenting when inserting snippets, but maybe I've overlooked something.


Kind regards Allan



From robbevan at xpt.com  Sat Oct  9 08:42:05 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.com (Rob Bevan)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 09:42:05 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] ActionScript for TextMate
In-Reply-To: <B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
	<B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
Message-ID: <1911B166-19CF-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>

I've done an ActionScript bundle for TextMate. You'll find it here: 
http://type.robbevan.com/robbish/2004/10/actionscript_fo.html

This adds syntax colouring and a 'Test Movie in Flash' command, so you 
can select a .fla file in your project and have it open and run in 
Flash. I'll be adding Snippets etc. later. Unfortunately, at the 
moment, .fla files (and all other binary files I guess) display as 
text, but you guys will fix that soon, yes?

You can download the bundle or an installer which adds it to 
/Library/Application Suppport/TextMate/Bundles.

BTW, I'm not sure if anyone else has reported this (haven't had a 
chance to go back through the hundreds of posts on this list!), but 
double-clicking a bundle errors if the ~/Library/Application 
Suppport/TextMate/Bundles directory doesn't exist (and there's a 
spelling mistake in the error dialog: "An error occurred WHY copying 
the bundle".

Cheers,
Rob

On Oct 6, 2004, at 10:04 AM, Rob Bevan wrote:

> I'm working on ActionScript, should have it done soon. I've already 
> done a 'Test Movie' command.
>
> Now if only we could get TextMate not to display the binary .fla file 
> as text...
>
> On Oct 6, 2004, at 9:59 AM, Johan S?rensen wrote:
>
>> Greetings!
>>
>> So, have anyone started to make some custom syntax definitions for the
>> various laguages out there? Lets share!
>> I wish I could say "I'll start" but I've just started on one so I'm
>> still wrapping my head around it. It still baffles me why colours
>> arent global (like, often i want the same color for strings regardless
>> of laguages for instance)
>>
>> (apologies if this has been bought up already, I'm the list newbie)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> johan
>>
>> -- 
>> Johan S?rensen
>> Professional Futurist
>> www.johansorensen.com
>> _______________________________________________
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>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>
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>



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 10:09:45 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:09:45 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] On folding.
Message-ID: <f888a1904100903096a0659cc@mail.gmail.com>

It?s great to finally have folding in a native osx application.
Although the current implementation has a few usability issues:

First, the folding column needs to be rightmost in the gutter,
next to the text. Currently, when line numbering is active, 
matching folding widget with line is harder than it could be.

Second, the present top and bottom widget icons are too
similar, making it hard to read a structure overview off the
document. It?s primary function is to show start or end of
the block, thus arrow direction must be the most visible
feature.

In addition i suggest a highlighting feature, allowing us to close
a fold(?) by clicking anywhere on a line between between 
folding icons. A mouse over effect shows what parts will be affected.

This will allow easier matching of open and closing arrows, as well
as reducing mouse travel.

View the attached mock-up for a clearer, visual description.
(note in the image I am experimenting with a x-code style top-bar as well ;)


hp.
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From lucsky at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 10:51:31 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:51:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
Message-ID: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

Greetings,

Someone mentioned XCode top bars this morning (which I think is an 
excellent idea, much better than my previous scroll bars adorners 
attempt imho) when I was actually about to post updated mockups as well 
:)

Here they are anyway:

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I think it looks better than the bottom status bar, and it leaves room 
(which was a valid concern) for possible additions, popups, buttons, 
whatever.

It looks even better in the project window because it makes a better 
separation between the tabs and the editing pane:

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Thoughts ?

PS: question for the list moderators: what is the preferred method to 
post screenshots on the list ? Attached pictures have to go through 
moderator approval, which is obvious, so do you prefer URLs for example 
?

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com

From lucsky at mac.com  Sat Oct  9 11:00:25 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:00:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM BundleEditor
Message-ID: <6C8FC57E-19E2-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

Greetings,

It seems like people are starting to go hog wild creating TM bundles, 
so I have started a (currently very crude) bundle editor for TextMate 
last night, which looks like this:

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(note: this is not a Photoshop mockup, it's an actual screenshot of a 
running Cocoa application ;) ).

If you guys think that this kind of tool would be useful until Allan 
and friends come up with an integrated bundle editor, let me know. 
Allan and friends, if you have something like this up your sleeves that 
you are ready to ship, like, in 2 weeks, let me know as well ;)

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com

From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Sat Oct  9 11:15:16 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Sat, 09 Oct 2004 06:15:16 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] On folding.
In-Reply-To: <f888a1904100903096a0659cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BD8D3277.12068%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

On 10/9/04 5:09 AM, "Hans Petter Eikemo" <hpeikemo at gmail.com> wrote:
> Second, the present top and bottom widget icons are too
> similar, making it hard to read a structure overview off the
> document. It?s primary function is to show start or end of
> the block, thus arrow direction must be the most visible
> feature.

I had a similar thought and sent my modified arrow icons before.  I thought
adding color to the arrows would make it clearer.  I'll attach them to this
email.  Also attached is a screen shot of them vs the old icons.  Feedback
anyone?

To install:
1. control-click on TextMate in the Finder and select "Show Package
Contents"
2. double-click on "Contents" in the window that opens
3. double-click on "Resources"
4. copy my replacement pngs to this Resources folder.  Accept the dialog to
replace the existing pngs.

Simon

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From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 11:18:41 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:18:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM BundleEditor
In-Reply-To: <6C8FC57E-19E2-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <6C8FC57E-19E2-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <f888a1904100904183b4a4943@mail.gmail.com>

It looks nice, but for me, all i'd need is a syntax definition.



On Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:00:25 +0200, Luc Heinrich <lucsky at mac.com> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> It seems like people are starting to go hog wild creating TM bundles,
> so I have started a (currently very crude) bundle editor for TextMate
> last night, which looks like this:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> (note: this is not a Photoshop mockup, it's an actual screenshot of a
> running Cocoa application ;) ).
> 
> If you guys think that this kind of tool would be useful until Allan
> and friends come up with an integrated bundle editor, let me know.
> Allan and friends, if you have something like this up your sleeves that
> you are ready to ship, like, in 2 weeks, let me know as well ;)
> 
> --
> Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 
> 
> 
>


From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 11:33:58 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:33:58 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Opening folders.
Message-ID: <f888a1904100904333d03d8bb@mail.gmail.com>

I added an alias in my .tcshrc file to open files similar to the
bbedit command line utility.

(alias tm open -a TextMate)

When trying it out, i figured i?d test opening folders using my new command.

so typing "tm ." worked great! but unfortunately I was in my home folder:
TextMate halted, loading some 20GB worth of files to my new project.

And my point is is :) : There ought to be some handling of this
situation (when dragging folders to the dock icon as well) either
trough a warning, an option to add none-recursively, abort button in
shelf etc.


From ianp at ianp.org  Sat Oct  9 12:29:49 2004
From: ianp at ianp.org (Ian Phillips)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:29:49 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] Mono Bundle Updated
Message-ID: <E9B474CC-19EE-11D9-A3C3-000D9335A256@ianp.org>

As well as jumping to the correct line in files when there's a 
compilation error, it now does the same with NAnt builds (for the csc 
task at least).

Also included now:

Selective builds: in your nant.build file highlight a target and it 
will be built, this uses the $TM_CURRENT_WORD variable, if nothing's 
selected it will try to build "all" as before.

Build File syntax highlighting.

Enjoy,
Ian.

#ifndef  __COMMON_SENSE__ | Ian Phillips
#include <std_disclaimer> | http://ianp.org
#endif



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 12:36:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:36:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ActionScript for TextMate
In-Reply-To: <1911B166-19CF-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
	<B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
	<1911B166-19CF-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
Message-ID: <DE7E68E6-19EF-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 10:42, Rob Bevan wrote:

> This adds syntax colouring and a 'Test Movie in Flash' command, so you 
> can select a .fla file in your project and have it open and run in 
> Flash

I'm assuming you're using $TM_FILEPATH for this? This is the file path 
of the file open in the editor. It sounds like I should introduce 
$TM_PROJECT_SELECTED_FILE(S) or similar for such type of actions?

> [...] Unfortunately, at the moment, .fla files (and all other binary 
> files I guess) display as text, but you guys will fix that soon, yes?

Yes, this will be fixed in 1.0.1, although I'm not entirely sure what 
the best fix is, there are (at least) 3 solutions:

  1) only open files declared in the Info.plist
     disadvantage: what about .htaccess, .bashrc, etc.
  2) give a regex for known good types
     disadvantages: similar to #1, but may be easier to change
  3) give a regex for known bad types
     disadvantages: many files can still be opened as text, since this 
list can't be exhaustive

> BTW, I'm not sure if anyone else has reported this (haven't had a 
> chance to go back through the hundreds of posts on this list!), but 
> double-clicking a bundle errors if the ~/Library/Application 
> Suppport/TextMate/Bundles directory doesn't exist (and there's a 
> spelling mistake in the error dialog: "An error occurred WHY copying 
> the bundle".

Fixed that 20 minutes ago! :)


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 12:50:34 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:50:34 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM BundleEditor
In-Reply-To: <6C8FC57E-19E2-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <6C8FC57E-19E2-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <CF86CCD9-19F1-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 13:00, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> [...] Allan and friends, if you have something like this up your 
> sleeves that you are ready to ship, like, in 2 weeks, let me know as 
> well ;)

No, this is currently item #43 or so on my to-do, so I'm thinking 1-2 
months.

So it's really cool you're doing this! Keep it up! :) And if you need 
any info from me, just ask!

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 12:52:20 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:52:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Opening folders.
In-Reply-To: <f888a1904100904333d03d8bb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f888a1904100904333d03d8bb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0EFA0F5A-19F2-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 13:33, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> And my point is is :) : There ought to be some handling of this
> situation (when dragging folders to the dock icon as well) either
> trough a warning, an option to add none-recursively, abort button in
> shelf etc.

Noted! Though, I'll do lazy-loading of folder contents in the future, 
so that it would only need to scan the current folder.


Kind regards Allan



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 12:53:16 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:53:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ActionScript for TextMate
In-Reply-To: <DE7E68E6-19EF-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
	<B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
	<1911B166-19CF-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
	<DE7E68E6-19EF-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <f888a19041009055312e8a86d@mail.gmail.com>

>> [...] Unfortunately, at the moment, .fla files (and all other binary
>> files I guess) display as text, but you guys will fix that soon, yes?

> the best fix is, there are (at least) 3 solutions:
> 
>   1) only open files declared in the Info.plist
>      disadvantage: what about .htaccess, .bashrc, etc.
>   2) give a regex for known good types
>      disadvantages: similar to #1, but may be easier to change
>   3) give a regex for known bad types
>      disadvantages: many files can still be opened as text, since this
> list can't be exhaustive
> 

is it not possible to do a file test operation, to check if it is binary?
it could still show in the list, perhaps possible to view with external
editor, and/or with "File appears to be binary, open anyway?" warning

hp.


From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 13:00:06 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:00:06 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] ActionScript for TextMate
In-Reply-To: <f888a19041009055312e8a86d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <68905974041006015917146c57@mail.gmail.com>
	<B95003C6-1776-11D9-A5DA-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
	<1911B166-19CF-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
	<DE7E68E6-19EF-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<f888a19041009055312e8a86d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2446A924-19F3-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 14:53, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> is it not possible to do a file test operation, to check if it is 
> binary?

At best only a heuristic. But mixed with encodings, I'm not sure how 
reliable this will be.

> it could still show in the list, perhaps possible to view with external
> editor, and/or with "File appears to be binary, open anyway?" warning

For Rob's purpose, where he wants the files in the list, to be able to 
execute commands on these, it probably would be quite irritating with 
such a requester, each time he selects a .fla file.

Kind regards Allan
-- 
    http://macromates.com/          :::  TextMate, OS X text editor
    http://macromates.com/sigpipe/  :::  Personal weblog about 
programming



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 13:19:35 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:19:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] On folding.
In-Reply-To: <f888a1904100903096a0659cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f888a1904100903096a0659cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DD6AEE8F-19F5-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 12:09, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> First, the folding column needs to be rightmost in the gutter,
> next to the text. Currently, when line numbering is active,
> matching folding widget with line is harder than it could be.

Okay, I've swapped them. But I think then we need some sort of visual 
separation between the columns (like you're also showing on your 
picture).

> Second, the present top and bottom widget icons are too
> similar, making it hard to read a structure overview off the
> document. It?s primary function is to show start or end of
> the block, thus arrow direction must be the most visible
> feature.

I liked Simon's idea about the traffic light coloring. But if anyone 
has suggestion for different shapes, which still look symmetric, I'm 
listening!

> In addition i suggest a highlighting feature, allowing us to close
> a fold(?) by clicking anywhere on a line between between
> folding icons. A mouse over effect shows what parts will be affected.

This sounds like a good idea, it's noted!

> (note in the image I am experimenting with a x-code style top-bar as 
> well ;)

It's really cool to see you guys do these mockups!


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 13:36:29 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 15:36:29 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <39BED788-19F8-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 12:51, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> I think it looks better than the bottom status bar, and it leaves room 
> (which was a valid concern) for possible additions, popups, buttons, 
> whatever.

Certainly! I didn't like the bottom status bar you initially did (but I 
really like the other things you've done!), And I do seem to recall 
that somewhere in AHIG it says, that using the scroll bars for info 
(which had a special gadget in Classic) should be avoided when 
possible.

> Thoughts ?

I really like it! I hope to incorporate all your visual changes in 
1.0.2 (1.0.1 will mostly be bug fixes and behavior fixes).

> PS: question for the list moderators: what is the preferred method to 
> post screenshots on the list ? Attached pictures have to go through 
> moderator approval, which is obvious, so do you prefer URLs for 
> example ?

For me it's most convenient to receive the mockups as inline images, 
but I don't know if the other list members like this, mostly it's a 
question of what bandwidth people have.   Normally I think it's frowned 
upon to send large attachments to mailing lists.  But OTOH we all love 
to look at nice images ;)

Though David is currently setting up a wiki, I think then we should 
move much of this to the wiki (but then you'll have to host the images 
on your own site).



Kind regards Allan



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Sat Oct  9 14:10:38 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:10:38 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <FEFCCE08-19FC-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 09/10/2004, at 8:51 PM, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> It looks even better in the project window because it makes a better 
> separation between the tabs and the editing pane:

Those tabs need a little work... personally I'd like to see a direct 
emulation of either Safari's tabs, or of the OS X native "tabs"... 
anything else is just asking the user to familiarise themselves with 
yet another tab design... yes, they're pretty much the same, but not 
THE SAME :)

Otherwise, I love your work Luc!

I like smart interface people in general of course :)


Justin French



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 14:23:36 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:23:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <FEFCCE08-19FC-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<FEFCCE08-19FC-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <CEB5EBBA-19FE-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 16:10, Justin French wrote:

>> It looks even better in the project window because it makes a better 
>> separation between the tabs and the editing pane:
> Those tabs need a little work... personally I'd like to see a direct 
> emulation of either Safari's tabs, or of the OS X native "tabs"... 
> anything else is just asking the user to familiarise themselves with 
> yet another tab design... yes, they're pretty much the same, but not 
> THE SAME :)

One thing to keep in mind is the dragability of tabs. I also intend to 
add animation to this later (and perhaps zoom/un-zoom when 
adding/deleting tabs). So the graphics should preferably allow a tag to 
be a separate item, i.e. one which can be torn out of the bar and stand 
on its own.


Kind regards Allan



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Sat Oct  9 14:44:13 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:44:13 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet, Command, Macro and Language Suggestions
In-Reply-To: <73F73DD7-190C-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <97365ACE-1822-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<581E17AC-1897-11D9-B397-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<86879B7D-18CE-11D9-8481-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<73F73DD7-190C-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <AFC7936B-1A01-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 08/10/2004, at 7:28 PM, Jarkko Laine wrote:

> On 8.10.2004, at 05:05, Justin French wrote:
>>
>> It only works when you have text selected, otherwise, yes, it does 
>> the whole file... I'll see if we can do a check for a selected text.
>
> Justin,
>
> One quick fix would be to add alt-w to the beginning of the macro. If 
> there is a selection at hand, the command doesn't do anything (so the 
> selection keeps intact), but if there's no selection, it selects the 
> word you were typing. I think this is the behavior you'd want in 99% 
> of the cases and at least you'd get rid of the "select the whole file" 
> bug.
>
> I've used the trick in all of my macros (that it suits) and have had 
> no problems with it.

Duly noted, and it's in 1.0.1 whenever that gets released :)

Justin



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 14:47:56 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:47:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <CEB5EBBA-19FE-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<FEFCCE08-19FC-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<CEB5EBBA-19FE-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <f888a19041009074744e45de9@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> One thing to keep in mind is the dragability of tabs. 
>

That is an important point! Wondered if i had to write up on that,

Think a close resemblance to Luc?s tabs, only "separated" as you
say.

Perhaps making it beveled on all four corners. Simple and
effective.  

hp.


From justin.french at indent.com.au  Sat Oct  9 15:24:42 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:24:42 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <57C15442-1A07-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

Tim,

> I'd like the ability to jump to a tag/rule/id/class/function via a 
> pull-down menu. This comes in quite handy in long files.

I missed that feature in the first few hours of TM, but then I found 
"Toggle Foldings at Level 1", which basically shrinks my PHP code or 
mark-up down to a level 1 outline, which is usually all I need to find 
what I want.

Justin



From stmpjmpr at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 17:58:42 2004
From: stmpjmpr at gmail.com (Scott Hill)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 10:58:42 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate, Ruby and Rails
In-Reply-To: <1BF44974-197C-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
References: <1BF44974-197C-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
Message-ID: <ae0102fa04100910581f36e40d@mail.gmail.com>

In the video for Rails, there are obviously snippets and macros for
Ruby. Is this built-in to TextMate, and I just don't see how to use
them, or is this something to download separately? Or do I have to
make my own?

--Scott


From merlin at merlinmann.com  Sat Oct  9 18:10:37 2004
From: merlin at merlinmann.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:10:37 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Change concatenated file header?
Message-ID: <8587B4B2-1A1E-11D9-9CDE-000A95A00004@merlinmann.com>

I like that there's a per-file header added when you drop a bunch of 
files into a new txt doc.

Where would I go to change the appearance and content of that header?

tx,
mm

-- 
Merlin Mann
43Folders.com



From blalor at bravo5.org  Sat Oct  9 18:33:44 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 13:33:44 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Alternate Icon & updated Smarty Syntax file
In-Reply-To: <027DC0B1-19AC-11D9-88CD-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
References: <027DC0B1-19AC-11D9-88CD-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
Message-ID: <BFFF5C1D-1A21-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:30 PM, James Spahr wrote:

> The icon may be used freely for non-commercial purposes.

er, but TM's a commercial app... :-)

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From cryo at diku.dk  Sat Oct  9 18:34:49 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:34:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Alternate Icon & updated Smarty Syntax file
In-Reply-To: <BFFF5C1D-1A21-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <027DC0B1-19AC-11D9-88CD-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<BFFF5C1D-1A21-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <E70F4C5C-1A21-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 9/10-2004, at 20:33, Brian Lalor wrote:
> On Oct 8, 2004, at 11:30 PM, James Spahr wrote:
>> The icon may be used freely for non-commercial purposes.
> er, but TM's a commercial app... :-)

Yeah... hehe, shareware, but still :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From textmate at 43folders.com  Sat Oct  9 18:52:17 2004
From: textmate at 43folders.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 11:52:17 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Change concatenated file header?
Message-ID: <577E486E-1A24-11D9-9CDE-000A95A00004@43folders.com>

I like that there's a per-file header added when you drop a bunch of 
files into a new txt doc.

Where would I go to change the appearance and content of that header?

tx,
mm

-- 
Merlin Mann
43Folders.com



From james at spahr.org  Sat Oct  9 18:53:43 2004
From: james at spahr.org (James Spahr)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:53:43 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Alternate Icon & updated Smarty Syntax file
In-Reply-To: <BFFF5C1D-1A21-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <027DC0B1-19AC-11D9-88CD-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>
	<BFFF5C1D-1A21-11D9-8BCD-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <8AFCF1DB-1A24-11D9-9A9F-000393CE1C1E@spahr.org>


In other words, I'd rather not Macromates (or anyone else) use the icon 
themselves on a shipping commercial product without contacting me 
first.

On Oct 9, 2004, at 2:33 PM, Brian Lalor wrote:

>
>> The icon may be used freely for non-commercial purposes.
>
> er, but TM's a commercial app... :-)

James.



From cryo at diku.dk  Sat Oct  9 19:33:35 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:33:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change concatenated file header?
In-Reply-To: <577E486E-1A24-11D9-9CDE-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <577E486E-1A24-11D9-9CDE-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <1CCB4FE4-1A2A-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 9/10-2004, at 20:52, Merlin Mann wrote:

> I like that there's a per-file header added when you drop a bunch of 
> files into a new txt doc.
> Where would I go to change the appearance and content of that header?

My guess is that it is hardcoded, but I don't know for sure. Allan can 
answer that exactly when he comes home sometime later today (I think).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From david at loudthinking.com  Sat Oct  9 20:22:45 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 22:22:45 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate, Ruby and Rails
In-Reply-To: <ae0102fa04100910581f36e40d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1BF44974-197C-11D9-B321-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
	<ae0102fa04100910581f36e40d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FAEAB73C-1A30-11D9-BA95-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

> In the video for Rails, there are obviously snippets and macros for
> Ruby. Is this built-in to TextMate, and I just don't see how to use
> them, or is this something to download separately? Or do I have to
> make my own?

I'm sharing a preliminary version on 
http://www.loudthinking.com/share/Rails.tmbundle.zip

I'll make a more polished version available soon.
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct  9 21:31:47 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 23:31:47 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change concatenated file header?
In-Reply-To: <1CCB4FE4-1A2A-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <577E486E-1A24-11D9-9CDE-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<1CCB4FE4-1A2A-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <9F9F03B8-1A3A-11D9-9928-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 21:33, Sune Foldager wrote:

>> I like that there's a per-file header added when you drop a bunch of 
>> files into a new txt doc. Where would I go to change the appearance 
>> and content of that header?
> My guess is that it is hardcoded, but I don't know for sure. Allan can 
> answer that exactly when he comes home sometime later today (I think).

Yes, it's hardcoded. And I'm home before midnight on a saturday ;)

Please let me know what you'd like to see and why. E.g. a string with 
variables like $TM_ENCODING, $TM_LINE_ENDINGS, $TM_FILENAME, etc.


Kind regards Allan



From infolists at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 22:24:45 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:24:45 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Updating TextMate?
Message-ID: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>

As I slowly customise TextMate by altering the bundles in
~/Library/Application Support/TextMate, I'm wondering what happens
when TextMate is updated with alterations to the default snippets,
macros & commands?

To get the benefit of such bundle updates am I going to have to
manually edit my bundles in the above location to include the extras
in the new bundles? Or do the bundles in the actual application
package have effect to the extent that individual elements therein
have not been overriden by anything in the user's Library/Application
Support directory?

I hope this question is clear...

bongoman


From infolists at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 22:27:07 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:27:07 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Working with selections and macros/commands?
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041009152743188ed0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

Am wanting to create a macro or snippet to allow me to comment out a
selection thus:

/* commented selection */

But am a little unclear if this is via a macro or a snippet. Either
way, I'm having trouble seting this up.

Any clues appreciated...

bongoman


From cryo at diku.dk  Sat Oct  9 22:29:49 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:29:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Updating TextMate?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB27149E-1A42-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 10/10-2004, at 0:24, bongoman wrote:

> As I slowly customise TextMate by altering the bundles in
> ~/Library/Application Support/TextMate, I'm wondering what happens
> when TextMate is updated with alterations to the default snippets,
> macros & commands?
> To get the benefit of such bundle updates am I going to have to
> manually edit my bundles in the above location to include the extras
> in the new bundles? Or do the bundles in the actual application
> package have effect to the extent that individual elements therein
> have not been overriden by anything in the user's Library/Application
> Support directory?

I am pretty sure that, at the moment, bundles override each other on a 
per-name basis, so new features won't automatically come in to play. I 
think that will change in the future though, but it is not clear what 
the prefered method would be. Any thoughts?

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Oct  9 22:45:47 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:45:47 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <CEB5EBBA-19FE-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<FEFCCE08-19FC-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<CEB5EBBA-19FE-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <F5FA9113-1A44-11D9-861D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

I love all the mock-ups that have been submitted to address UI and 
usibility issues. Great stuff!



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Oct  9 22:46:40 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:46:40 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <f888a19041009074744e45de9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<FEFCCE08-19FC-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<CEB5EBBA-19FE-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<f888a19041009074744e45de9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1584A056-1A45-11D9-861D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 9, 2004, at 4:47 AM, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

>>
>> One thing to keep in mind is the dragability of tabs.

Yes, this is a fantastic feature. Don't lose site of it when tweaking 
the tab visuals.



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Sat Oct  9 22:49:46 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 12:49:46 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: code navigation
In-Reply-To: <57C15442-1A07-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <50D7FF8E-1919-11D9-BE1F-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<57C15442-1A07-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <8477E4F1-1A45-11D9-861D-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 9, 2004, at 5:24 AM, Justin French wrote:

> Tim,
>
>> I'd like the ability to jump to a tag/rule/id/class/function via a 
>> pull-down menu. This comes in quite handy in long files.
>
> I missed that feature in the first few hours of TM, but then I found 
> "Toggle Foldings at Level 1", which basically shrinks my PHP code or 
> mark-up down to a level 1 outline, which is usually all I need to find 
> what I want.

Hadn't noticed that yet Justin, I'll check it out. Check the other post 
on this thread -- someone made an excellent suggestion about how to 
improve on the code nave model, i.e., having it hot keyed as well as  
(the pull-down) being keyboard navigable.

  -t



From extra at newcode.se  Sat Oct  9 22:52:15 2004
From: extra at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:52:15 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Delay when switching to TextMate
Message-ID: <DD7E7410-1A45-11D9-891E-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>

I'm experiencing a very annoying (and productivity destroying) delay 
everytime I switch to TextMate from another application. This happens 
when I have about 2 windows with ~30 files in each drawer. Only 2-3 
open files in each window though.

Has anyone else seen this?

/ Carl-Johan



From textmate at 43folders.com  Sat Oct  9 23:14:29 2004
From: textmate at 43folders.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 16:14:29 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits
Message-ID: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>

1. For me, hitting `ESC` in a dialog box is not invoking the `Cancel` 
button (works that way in most apps)
2. When the `Save` dialog box first comes up, I'd love it if _just_ the 
pre-suffix name were selected. So on a new, blank document, it would 
select "`untitled`" instead of all of "`untitled.txt`". Makes renaming 
a lot faster.

(Is this the kind of thing that's appropriate here, or is there a 
Bugzilla type thing where we should be posting bugs, whines, and pony 
requests?)  ;)

-- 
Merlin Mann
43Folders.com



From cryo at diku.dk  Sat Oct  9 23:28:17 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 01:28:17 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits
In-Reply-To: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <E62CBFE9-1A4A-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 10/10-2004, at 1:14, Merlin Mann wrote:
> 1. For me, hitting `ESC` in a dialog box is not invoking the `Cancel` 
> button (works that way in most apps)
> 2. When the `Save` dialog box first comes up, I'd love it if _just_ 
> the pre-suffix name were selected. So on a new, blank document, it 
> would select "`untitled`" instead of all of "`untitled.txt`". Makes 
> renaming a lot faster.
>
> (Is this the kind of thing that's appropriate here, or is there a 
> Bugzilla type thing where we should be posting bugs, whines, and pony 
> requests?)  ;)

For now, it's fine here, and in fact the best place do to it :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From infolists at gmail.com  Sat Oct  9 23:54:43 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:54:43 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Working with selections and macros/commands?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d8041009152743188ed0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d8041009152743188ed0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804100916546a7063b7@mail.gmail.com>

Got it. It's a command. I now realise I can echo text back to replace
selected text. Excellent.

bongoman


On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:27:07 +1000, bongoman <infolists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there
> 
> Am wanting to create a macro or snippet to allow me to comment out a
> selection thus:
> 
> /* commented selection */
> 
> But am a little unclear if this is via a macro or a snippet. Either
> way, I'm having trouble seting this up.
> 
> Any clues appreciated...
> 
> bongoman
>


From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Sun Oct 10 00:25:23 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 19:25:23 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits
In-Reply-To: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <E03F2514-1A52-11D9-8FB5-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>

Re: #2

I actually would prefer it to stay the same as it currently is... 
allowing me to type the extension that I want.

On Oct 9, 2004, at 6:14 PM, Merlin Mann wrote:

> 1. For me, hitting `ESC` in a dialog box is not invoking the `Cancel` 
> button (works that way in most apps)
> 2. When the `Save` dialog box first comes up, I'd love it if _just_ 
> the pre-suffix name were selected. So on a new, blank document, it 
> would select "`untitled`" instead of all of "`untitled.txt`". Makes 
> renaming a lot faster.
>
> (Is this the kind of thing that's appropriate here, or is there a 
> Bugzilla type thing where we should be posting bugs, whines, and pony 
> requests?)  ;)
>
> -- 
> Merlin Mann
> 43Folders.com
>
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From mike at mikeboutte.com  Sun Oct 10 01:13:15 2004
From: mike at mikeboutte.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mike_Boutt=E9?=)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 20:13:15 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Viewing PHP output
Message-ID: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>

Hello - new b question:

Is there a way to:
1 - route the preview browser through a local server that server side 
capabilities are displayed
2 - turn off display of code such as PHP that the browser currently 
interpets as text.

Thanks

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From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 03:06:57 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:06:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Delay when switching to TextMate
In-Reply-To: <DD7E7410-1A45-11D9-891E-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
References: <DD7E7410-1A45-11D9-891E-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
Message-ID: <72314ED0-1A69-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 0:52, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:

> I'm experiencing a very annoying (and productivity destroying) delay 
> everytime I switch to TextMate from another application. This happens 
> when I have about 2 windows with ~30 files in each drawer. Only 2-3 
> open files in each window though.

When re-activating TextMate it checks if contents of folder references 
have been changed -- this should be relatively quick, but I've heard 
some mention that it ain't on their network mounted drives.

I'll try to improve this in the future, like using kqueue or 
lazy-checking. Also, the current version has some integrity-checking 
code which can be removed, this may also help.


Kind regards Allan



From infolists at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 03:07:21 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:07:21 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Working with selections and macros/commands?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804100916546a7063b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d8041009152743188ed0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d5544d804100916546a7063b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d80410092007140f5b68@mail.gmail.com>

Me again.

Now I'm trying to create a command to comment out a single line thus:
// commented line

I'm not a shell scripter but am trying this:

set oldLine = $TM_CURRENT_LINE
set newLine = "// $oldLine"
echo -n "$newLine"

But no go. What I want to achieve is to comment out the current line,
not a selected line. So wherever the caret is when I invoke the
command gives me a commented single line.

So whether this script is OK or not I'm a little stuck on what my
input and output should be for such a command.

Any clues appreciated.

bongoman


On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 09:54:43 +1000, bongoman <infolists at gmail.com> wrote:
> Got it. It's a command. I now realise I can echo text back to replace
> selected text. Excellent.
> 
> bongoman
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 08:27:07 +1000, bongoman <infolists at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi there
> >
> > Am wanting to create a macro or snippet to allow me to comment out a
> > selection thus:
> >
> > /* commented selection */
> >
> > But am a little unclear if this is via a macro or a snippet. Either
> > way, I'm having trouble seting this up.
> >
> > Any clues appreciated...
> >
> > bongoman
> >
>


From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 03:14:12 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:14:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Working with selections and macros/commands?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804100916546a7063b7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d8041009152743188ed0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d5544d804100916546a7063b7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <75B6E610-1A6A-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 1:54, bongoman wrote:

> Got it. It's a command. I now realise I can echo text back to replace
> selected text. Excellent.

Another possibility is recording a macro that uses regex 
search'n'replace with scope set to selection.

This allows to check for conditions like the 'Selection as Anchor' 
which does:

    findString:    ^(.*@.*\..*)|.*$
    replaceString: <a href="(?1mailto\:$0:$0.html)">$0</a>

The find string matches an email as capture 1 _or_ it matches anything.

The format string makes it into an anchor and _if_ there is a first 
capture, it prefixes $0 (the entire match) with mailto:, otherwise it 
uses .html as suffix.



Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 03:19:01 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:19:01 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits
In-Reply-To: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <21D8ABDC-1A6B-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 1:14, Merlin Mann wrote:

> 1. For me, hitting `ESC` in a dialog box is not invoking the `Cancel` 
> button (works that way in most apps)

So what should escape do? And which dialog box are you talking about?

> (Is this the kind of thing that's appropriate here, or is there a 
> Bugzilla type thing where we should be posting bugs, whines, and pony 
> requests?)  ;)

David is laying last hand on our wiki, then feature requests and bug 
reports will go there.

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 03:25:04 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 05:25:04 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Working with selections and macros/commands?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d80410092007140f5b68@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d8041009152743188ed0@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d5544d804100916546a7063b7@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d5544d80410092007140f5b68@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FA740521-1A6B-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 5:07, bongoman wrote:

> But no go. What I want to achieve is to comment out the current line,
> not a selected line. So wherever the caret is when I invoke the
> command gives me a commented single line.

Record it as a macro, do something like:

    start macro recording,
    select line, (option-l or Edit / Select / Line),
    Text / Filter Through Command: 'echo // $TM_CURRENT_LINE'
    arrow left (just to unselect),
    stop macro recording.

As mentioned in the other email, you can also use regex-replace instead 
of shell-piping -- only a matter of personal preferences I guess ;)


ind regards Allan



From infolists at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 03:59:51 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:59:51 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: notification of keyboard shortcut
	duplication
Message-ID: <8d5544d804100920596caf5388@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

I'd love to see Textmate notify me if I attempt to set a keybinding
that the application is already using.

At present, I can enter the same keybinding twice (or more) without
any notification. BBEdit alerts you if you attempt to do this and it
is quite helpful.

I'm guessing that if you do enter a shortcut that has already been
taken, TextMate fails to then display it in the corresponding menu?

bongoman


From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 04:13:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 06:13:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: notification of keyboard shortcut
	duplication
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804100920596caf5388@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d804100920596caf5388@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C96BD92B-1A72-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 5:59, bongoman wrote:

> I'm guessing that if you do enter a shortcut that has already been
> taken, TextMate fails to then display it in the corresponding menu?

Yes, this is currently a Cocoa limitation.

The ability to use the same key equivalent multiple times as actually a 
feature. If you assign e.g. F5 to multiple macros, you'll get a menu 
when you press F5 (allowing you to choose which of the macros you 
want).  This behavior is so far only for macros, but it should be 
extended to customize everything which allows for a key binding.

In the future I may also make an 'inspector' sort of thing, to see what 
keys bind to, or at least some sort of centralized key bindings editor.


Kind regards Allan



From merlin at merlinmann.com  Sun Oct 10 04:11:12 2004
From: merlin at merlinmann.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 21:11:12 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits 
In-Reply-To: <20041010032516.3976E1203@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041010032516.3976E1203@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <6BBCF9BA-1A72-11D9-B6F3-000A95A00004@merlinmann.com>


On Oct 9, 2004, at 8:25 PM, Alan wrote:

> So what should escape do? And which dialog box are you talking about?

I'd like the escape key to map to the cancel button. Referring here to 
the save dialog box; excape/cancel in the open box works fine. :)



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 04:17:05 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 06:17:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits 
In-Reply-To: <6BBCF9BA-1A72-11D9-B6F3-000A95A00004@merlinmann.com>
References: <20041010032516.3976E1203@one.textdrive.com>
	<6BBCF9BA-1A72-11D9-B6F3-000A95A00004@merlinmann.com>
Message-ID: <3E88D658-1A73-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 6:11, Merlin Mann wrote:

>> So what should escape do? And which dialog box are you talking about?
> I'd like the escape key to map to the cancel button. Referring here to 
> the save dialog box; excape/cancel in the open box works fine. :)

Escape does close the save dialog for me.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 05:29:21 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:29:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Current date in file templates
In-Reply-To: <AB688F46-1A32-11D9-A361-000393831446@mindspring.com>
References: <9E3C91E0-186D-11D9-990E-000393831446@mindspring.com>
	<8CAB7779-18C9-11D9-AE25-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<AB688F46-1A32-11D9-A361-000393831446@mindspring.com>
Message-ID: <56B2C9B0-1A7D-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 9. Oct 2004, at 22:34, Isaac Rivera wrote:

> I came up with a pretty decent syntax file mysefl.

Okay, Rob also did some ActionScript support:
    http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/000422.html

> Trying to do a class template and have gotten most of it.
>
> Can you tell me how to have the perl script input the date in the 
> template file?
>
> Its not one of the shell variables, I know, but maybe its accessible 
> to the script.

These questions really belong on the ML, so I'm cc'ing the list :)

You can add your own variables to the environment by changing the 
command in the Info.plist, for example here I setup TM_DATE to be 
YYYY-MM-DD:

{
    name = "Date Test";
    extension = "txt";
    command = "[ -f $TM_NEW_FILE ] || TM_DATE=`date +%Y-%m-%d` perl -pe 
's/\\$\\{([^}]*)\\}/$ENV{$1}/g' <index.html >\"$TM_NEW_FILE\"";
}

So it's basically just 'var=value' before the perl command (you can set 
multiple variables). And the back-ticks (`) means that it's a command 
to execute, so TM_DATE is set to the result of running date +%Y-%m-%d.  
All this is of course related to bash and not really TextMate.

Another neat one is the full user name which we can get with niutil, 
here's an example:

    command = "[ -f $TM_NEW_FILE ] || TM_DATE=`date +%Y-%m-%d` 
TM_USERNAME=`niutil -readprop / /users/\\$USER realname` perl -pe 
's/\\$\\{([^}]*)\\}/$ENV{$1}/g' <index.html >\"$TM_NEW_FILE\"";


One important note: the commands above are prefixed with '[ -f 
$TM_NEW_FILE ] || '. This is to check if the file already exists, and 
if so, it won't do the "or" branch (i.e. overwrite it).

I really should have added this to the default templates! I'll be 
adding it to all templates shipping with 1.0.1 -- if you create your 
own templates, please add it to avoid templates from overwriting files!

The reason TextMate doesn't perform this check is, that the template 
could generate multiple files, or not generate TM_NEW_FILE at al.


Also, remember that you're not limited to using perl as command. You 
can write your templates in e.g. PHP and use php as the command to 
generate them.



Kind regards Allan



From raena at raena.net  Sun Oct 10 07:24:21 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 18:24:21 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Viewing PHP output
In-Reply-To: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>
References: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>
Message-ID: <67C5076C-1A8D-11D9-9882-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

On 10/10/2004, at 12:13 PM, Mike Boutt? wrote:

> Hello - new b question:
>
> Is there a way to:
> 1 - route the preview browser through a local server that server side 
> capabilities are displayed
> 2 - turn off display of code such as PHP that the browser currently 
> interpets as text.

You'll probably get the best results by enabling PHP on your Mac.  
There's an easy installer and instructions on doing so here:

<http://www.entropy.ch/software/macosx/php/>



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Sun Oct 10 10:25:28 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:25:28 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Viewing PHP output
In-Reply-To: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>
References: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>
Message-ID: <B4C433A9-1AA6-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 10/10/2004, at 11:13 AM, Mike Boutt? wrote:

> Hello - new b question:
>
> Is there a way to:
> 1 - route the preview browser through a local server that server side 
> capabilities are displayed
> 2 - turn off display of code such as PHP that the browser currently 
> interpets as text.

Mike,

Instead of the web preview, use Safari, and use the "Reload in Safari" 
command in the commands menu (it will be renamed "Refresh Safari" in 
1.0.1), which we assigned to Command-R.

Here's a basic workflow for me...

1. Open up a project in TM
2. Open up a local copy of the website project in Safari (eg 
http://clientname.localhost/blah.php)
3. Do some work in TM
4. Hit Command-R in TM (switches to Safari and refreshes the front 
window)
5. Check out the results
6. Hit Command-Tab to switch back to TM

Eventually, TM's preview will be able to "listen" to URLs, I hear :)


Justin


From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 10:38:03 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:38:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Updating TextMate?
In-Reply-To: <BB27149E-1A42-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB27149E-1A42-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <f888a1904101003387b182d91@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> I am pretty sure that, at the moment, bundles override each other on a
> per-name basis, so new features won't automatically come in to play. I
> think that will change in the future though, but it is not clear what
> the prefered method would be. Any thoughts?
> 

Cascading syntax definitions could be quite useful, but comes with
added complexity; cascading and precedence becomes usability issues,
and
must be added with care.

sadly, I can?t think of any viable solution at this point. :)


From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 11:12:56 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:12:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Viewing PHP output
In-Reply-To: <B4C433A9-1AA6-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>
	<B4C433A9-1AA6-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <562A7192-1AAD-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 12:25, Justin French wrote:

> Instead of the web preview, use Safari, and use the "Reload in Safari" 
> command in the commands menu (it will be renamed "Refresh Safari" in 
> 1.0.1), which we assigned to Command-R.

Also, I think justin wanted to put a default command like this in 1.0.1:
    open `echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed 
"s|/Users/$USER/Sites/\(.*\)|http://localhost/~$USER/\1|"`

What it does is take the current file path and change the 
/Users/<your_name>/Sites/ portion into http://localhost/~<your_name>/ 
and opens it with 'open' (so it should show in your default browser).



Kind regards Allan



From infolists at gmail.com  Sun Oct 10 11:18:50 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:18:50 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Updating TextMate?
In-Reply-To: <f888a1904101003387b182d91@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB27149E-1A42-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<f888a1904101003387b182d91@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804101004184bc6b6da@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:38:03 +0200, Hans Petter Eikemo
<hpeikemo at gmail.com> wrote:
  
> sadly, I can?t think of any viable solution at this point. :)

I'm not really looking forward to having to update my
~/Library/Application Support TM bundles with any new stuff from the
application package bundles for each & every point release of Textmate
and yet that's what it seems we'll have to do.

bongoman


From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 11:28:23 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 13:28:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Updating TextMate?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804101004184bc6b6da@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB27149E-1A42-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<f888a1904101003387b182d91@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d5544d804101004184bc6b6da@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F02DAE7-1AAF-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 13:18, bongoman wrote:

>> sadly, I can?t think of any viable solution at this point. :)
> I'm not really looking forward to having to update my
> ~/Library/Application Support TM bundles with any new stuff from the
> application package bundles for each & every point release of Textmate
> and yet that's what it seems we'll have to do.

I don't think it's as bad as you predict.  It's not like you'll make a 
copy of all default bundles, change a lot of things, and then we'll 
likewise change a lot of things in the default for the next release, 
and somehow you want our changes and keep your own as well!?!

I think I'm convinced that I'll separate styles from rules _before_ I 
do the syntax-makeover, so hopefully that should soon cure the need for 
having "normal users" modify the syntaxes (to change the visuals).

Also, if you have e.g. a default HTML bundle and you make a local HTML 
bundle, it'll overshadow the default stuff on a per directory-basis.  
So if you only make macros in your local copy, it'll only be the macros 
directory you'll need to update if you want some of the new defaults.



Kind regards Allan



From extra at newcode.se  Sun Oct 10 12:32:12 2004
From: extra at newcode.se (Carl-Johan Kihlbom)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:32:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Delay when switching to TextMate
In-Reply-To: <72314ED0-1A69-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <DD7E7410-1A45-11D9-891E-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>
	<72314ED0-1A69-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <693C7EF2-1AB8-11D9-8214-000D93C0F862@newcode.se>


On Oct 10, 2004, at 05:06, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 10. Oct 2004, at 0:52, Carl-Johan Kihlbom wrote:
>
>> I'm experiencing a very annoying (and productivity destroying) delay 
>> everytime I switch to TextMate from another application. This happens 
>> when I have about 2 windows with ~30 files in each drawer. Only 2-3 
>> open files in each window though.
>
> When re-activating TextMate it checks if contents of folder references 
> have been changed -- this should be relatively quick, but I've heard 
> some mention that it ain't on their network mounted drives.
>
> I'll try to improve this in the future, like using kqueue or 
> lazy-checking. Also, the current version has some integrity-checking 
> code which can be removed, this may also help.

Ah, yes. I forgot to mention that the open folders were on an AFP 
mounted volume. It would be useful if this checking was in a separate 
thread, so that it doesn't block me from editing the open document.

/ Carl-Johan



From david at loudthinking.com  Sun Oct 10 12:46:57 2004
From: david at loudthinking.com (David Heinemeier Hansson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:46:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Annoncing the official TextMate wiki
Message-ID: <78B1E92C-1ABA-11D9-AF48-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>

Thanks to both Ian and Phillip for kicking us into gear about doing 
something to track both bundles and other end-user innovation points.

We've now put up the official wiki at: 
http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/

It's of course free to edit for all, so please do add pointers to more 
bundles, improve on those that are, and otherwise take advantage of the 
shared space.

Enjoy!
--
David Heinemeier Hansson,
http://www.rubyonrails.org/  -- Web-application framework for Ruby
http://www.instiki.org/      -- A No-Step-Three Wiki in Ruby
http://macromates.com/       -- TextMate: Code and markup editor for OS 
X
http://www.basecamphq.com/   -- Web-based Project Management
http://www.loudthinking.com/ -- Broadcasting Brain
http://www.nextangle.com/    -- Development & Consulting Services



From cryo at diku.dk  Sun Oct 10 13:17:35 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:17:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Annoncing the official TextMate wiki
In-Reply-To: <78B1E92C-1ABA-11D9-AF48-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
References: <78B1E92C-1ABA-11D9-AF48-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
Message-ID: <BFED170B-1ABE-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Annunciation, not annonciation David!   ..how many TM users are we 
gonna lose now because of your grave spelling errors? ;-).

-- 
Sune -- #1 on least-important-posts-I-have-made-to-this-list :-p...
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From jarkko at jlaine.net  Sun Oct 10 13:20:40 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:20:40 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Annoncing the official TextMate wiki
In-Reply-To: <BFED170B-1ABE-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <78B1E92C-1ABA-11D9-AF48-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<BFED170B-1ABE-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <2E83C2E2-1ABF-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

On 10.10.2004, at 16:17, Sune Foldager wrote:

> Annunciation, not annonciation David!   ..how many TM users are we 
> gonna lose now because of your grave spelling errors? ;-).

Err...announcing, right? 
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=announce

;-) Jarkko


> -- 
> Sune -- #1 on least-important-posts-I-have-made-to-this-list :-p...
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
> http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net



From cryo at diku.dk  Sun Oct 10 13:25:45 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:25:45 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Annoncing the official TextMate wiki
In-Reply-To: <2E83C2E2-1ABF-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <78B1E92C-1ABA-11D9-AF48-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<BFED170B-1ABE-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<2E83C2E2-1ABF-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <E41BF858-1ABF-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 10/10-2004, at 15:20, Jarkko Laine wrote:
> On 10.10.2004, at 16:17, Sune Foldager wrote:
>> Annunciation, not annonciation David!   ..how many TM users are we 
>> gonna lose now because of your grave spelling errors? ;-).
> Err...announcing, right? 
> http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=announce
Yes... announcing. annunciation is the corrosponding noun 
(=announcement). If the original word had been annoncing, I guess the 
noun would be annonciation sooo... :-p.  ..wow, this could be the start 
of something grand!

-- 
Sune -- #2 on the aforementioned list.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From jarkko at jlaine.net  Sun Oct 10 13:31:23 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 16:31:23 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Annoncing the official TextMate wiki
In-Reply-To: <E41BF858-1ABF-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <78B1E92C-1ABA-11D9-AF48-000D932CD5BA@loudthinking.com>
	<BFED170B-1ABE-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<2E83C2E2-1ABF-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
	<E41BF858-1ABF-11D9-AFF9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <ADB7CBC4-1AC0-11D9-83F9-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

On 10.10.2004, at 16:25, Sune Foldager wrote:
>>
> Yes... announcing. annunciation is the corrosponding noun 
> (=announcement).

Right. And I need sleep 8-\

>  If the original word had been annoncing, I guess the noun would be 
> annonciation sooo... :-p.  ..wow, this could be the start of something 
> grand!

Definitely. Can't wait to see this starting to live its own life...

//jarkko

--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net



From mike at mikeboutte.com  Sun Oct 10 15:16:49 2004
From: mike at mikeboutte.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Mike_Boutt=E9?=)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 10:16:49 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Viewing PHP output
In-Reply-To: <562A7192-1AAD-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <8FC54EF0-1A59-11D9-A7B1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>
	<B4C433A9-1AA6-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<562A7192-1AAD-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <687CA681-1ACF-11D9-A2D1-003065F58BD2@mikeboutte.com>

Gotcha, thanks. Looking forward to that feature.

_: thanks

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__: mikeBoutt?
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On Oct 10, 2004, at 6.12am, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 10. Oct 2004, at 12:25, Justin French wrote:
>
>> Instead of the web preview, use Safari, and use the "Reload in 
>> Safari" command in the commands menu (it will be renamed "Refresh 
>> Safari" in 1.0.1), which we assigned to Command-R.
>
> Also, I think justin wanted to put a default command like this in 
> 1.0.1:
>    open `echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed 
> "s|/Users/$USER/Sites/\(.*\)|http://localhost/~$USER/\1|"`
>
> What it does is take the current file path and change the 
> /Users/<your_name>/Sites/ portion into http://localhost/~<your_name>/ 
> and opens it with 'open' (so it should show in your default browser).
>
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
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From phil at hinkty.com  Sun Oct 10 19:30:03 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 12:30:03 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
Message-ID: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

Hi All,

I seem to be locked in a battle of wills with the project file drawer 
(for lack of a better name). I remove references to sub-directories and 
files, and well, the file drawer puts them back in. Repeat. Repeat. 
Swear, and give round one to TextMate.

Anyone else battling with the drawer?

I got into this test of wills by dragging and dropping a directory tree 
that looked like:
YYYY/MM and then removing references to a few YYYY/MM/img directories 
and the occasional pdf file. Well, "removing" them very temporarily :)

Thanks,
Phil



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 10 20:55:09 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 22:55:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
In-Reply-To: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 21:30, Phil Aaronson wrote:

> I got into this test of wills by dragging and dropping a directory 
> tree that looked like:
> YYYY/MM and then removing references to a few YYYY/MM/img directories 
> and the occasional pdf file. Well, "removing" them very temporarily :)

Yes, it'll currently 'refresh' automatically. The current way to 
'remove' items from folder references is using the file/folder patterns 
which you can by clicking the I icon in the project drawer.

In a later release I may add support for removing items in the more 
intuitive way :)


Kind regards Allan



From lists at bebop.net  Sun Oct 10 21:35:22 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:35:22 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits
In-Reply-To: <21D8ABDC-1A6B-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<21D8ABDC-1A6B-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <4A73530A-1B04-11D9-9207-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

>> 1. For me, hitting `ESC` in a dialog box is not invoking the `Cancel`  
>> button (works that way in most apps)
>
> So what should escape do? And which dialog box are you talking about?

I'm not sure what dialog is referred to but 'Cancel' should be the  
alternateButton.

<http://developer.apple.com/documentation/Cocoa/Reference/ 
ApplicationKit/ObjC_classic/Functions/AppKitFunctions.html#//apple_ref/ 
doc/uid/20000695/BAJDBEJG>



From phil at hinkty.com  Sun Oct 10 21:43:35 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 14:43:35 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
In-Reply-To: <AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

Allan,

Unfortunately the battle continues. So I tried removing the reference 
to the pdf files and img directories via the "gear" icon at the bottom 
of the drawer (pull down to "Remove Selected Files"). But they were 
refreshed back into the drawer in short order (as they were when 
hitting delete before). Then I tried removing them via the "i" icon in 
the drawer, but ... but ... I'm not seeing how exactly? I think I'm 
missing something obvious :)

Phil

On Oct 10, 2004, at 1:55 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 10. Oct 2004, at 21:30, Phil Aaronson wrote:
>
>> I got into this test of wills by dragging and dropping a directory 
>> tree that looked like:
>> YYYY/MM and then removing references to a few YYYY/MM/img directories 
>> and the occasional pdf file. Well, "removing" them very temporarily 
>> :)
>
> Yes, it'll currently 'refresh' automatically. The current way to 
> 'remove' items from folder references is using the file/folder 
> patterns which you can by clicking the I icon in the project drawer.
>
> In a later release I may add support for removing items in the more 
> intuitive way :)



From cryo at diku.dk  Sun Oct 10 21:50:51 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:50:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
In-Reply-To: <7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 10/10-2004, at 23:43, Phil Aaronson wrote:

> Unfortunately the battle continues. So I tried removing the reference 
> to the pdf files and img directories via the "gear" icon at the bottom 
> of the drawer (pull down to "Remove Selected Files"). But they were 
> refreshed back into the drawer in short order (as they were when 
> hitting delete before). Then I tried removing them via the "i" icon in 
> the drawer, but ... but ... I'm not seeing how exactly? I think I'm 
> missing something obvious :)

Highlight the folder and press the information-icon to edit the 
inclusion patterns (no, cmd-i doesn't work for now. Cocoa limitation). 
This will not exactly allow you to remove individual files, but you 
should be able to create a pattern to exclude the ones you need :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Sun Oct 10 21:54:34 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 23:54:34 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate 1.0.1b1 available!
Message-ID: <F93BA09C-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

There is a beta version of the upcoming 1.0.1 release with several bug 
fixes and small feature inclusions. Normaly, TextMate doesn't check for 
beta versions with the automatic version check system, but if you wish 
to have it do so you can type the following in your favorite shell:

defaults write com.macromates.textmate OakCheckForBetaVersions 1

..and 0 to disable beta check again of course. When starting TextMate 
the first time after download, a window with release notes will 
automatically open to show you the latest changes additions and bug 
fixes. Have fun :-).

PS: If you for some reason can't get the beta version from within 
TextMate, the URL is:
http://macromates.com/textmate/files/TextMate_1.0.1b1.dmg

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From phil at hinkty.com  Sun Oct 10 22:13:32 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 15:13:32 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
In-Reply-To: <73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

Ah, got it. Shoot, that doesn't work either. Well, it worked great just 
as long as I had TextMate up. If I quit out and restarted all the 
changes to the patterns are removed. Is there a way to make these 
changes permanent?

I apologize for my daftness.

Thanks,
Phil

On Oct 10, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 10/10-2004, at 23:43, Phil Aaronson wrote:
>
>> Unfortunately the battle continues. So I tried removing the reference 
>> to the pdf files and img directories via the "gear" icon at the 
>> bottom of the drawer (pull down to "Remove Selected Files"). But they 
>> were refreshed back into the drawer in short order (as they were when 
>> hitting delete before). Then I tried removing them via the "i" icon 
>> in the drawer, but ... but ... I'm not seeing how exactly? I think 
>> I'm missing something obvious :)
>
> Highlight the folder and press the information-icon to edit the 
> inclusion patterns (no, cmd-i doesn't work for now. Cocoa limitation). 
> This will not exactly allow you to remove individual files, but you 
> should be able to create a pattern to exclude the ones you need :-).
>
> -- 
> Sune.
> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
> http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From cryo at diku.dk  Sun Oct 10 22:15:25 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:15:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
In-Reply-To: <9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <E2CA200E-1B09-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 11/10-2004, at 0:13, Phil Aaronson wrote:

> Ah, got it. Shoot, that doesn't work either. Well, it worked great 
> just as long as I had TextMate up. If I quit out and restarted all the 
> changes to the patterns are removed. Is there a way to make these 
> changes permanent?
> I apologize for my daftness.

Hehe no worries... I must admit though that I don't know the details on 
this... but maybe someone else knows :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From vincent.isambart at laposte.net  Sun Oct 10 22:59:23 2004
From: vincent.isambart at laposte.net (Vincent Isambart)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:59:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate 1.0.1b1 available!
In-Reply-To: <F93BA09C-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <F93BA09C-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <06F2D2B5-1B10-11D9-B474-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>

Hi,

Just tried 1.0.1b1 and there is a little problem with non-fixed size 
characters, when I choose a non-fixed size font or when I use big 
characters (like Japanese characters). As pictures are always better 
than words, just look at the attached image. What is selected is the 
end of the line. And the text goes way after the end of the window, 
without any scrollbar. There is the same problem with proportional 
fonts. Yes, it looks better than in 1.0 but not being able to see what 
is selected is really not great. In 1.0, the characters were 
overlapping but at least we could see what is selected. As the 
double-size CJK characters are certainly not for 1.0.1, I think the 1.0 
behavior of "every character will be drawn with the same width" was 
better. And it's also true with proportional fonts. But it's just my 2 
cents.
The 1234567890 is just so that you can see that the Japanese characters 
do not have the same width than roman characters. The font is Monaco 10 
(but for the Japanese characters, I think a fallback font is used).
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Just 2 other stupid things:
- it's great to have thanks in the release notes ^o^
- I just bought my TextMate license to support the development ^o^. Go 
Allan, go! Make of TextMate the best editor on Earth ;o). And tell us 
when you have your new G5 ;o)

Cheers,
Vincent Isambart

From cryo at diku.dk  Mon Oct 11 00:40:18 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 02:40:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate 1.0.1b1 available!
In-Reply-To: <06F2D2B5-1B10-11D9-B474-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>
References: <F93BA09C-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<06F2D2B5-1B10-11D9-B474-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>
Message-ID: <1FEFCE0C-1B1E-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Yes, there appears to be various problems with a change in the 
rendering code. The idea was to try to make ATSUI switch from 
fractional to intergral coordinates but....  I guess it needs a little 
more work ;-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 01:18:51 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 20:18:51 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Code Folding
Message-ID: <65858840410101818684f56cf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi TextMate Users,

Consider the following codes:
<div>
...
   <li>
   ...
   </li>
...
</div>

When I try to fold the codes by clicking on <div>, it only folds to
</li>. To fold to </div>, I have to fold <li> and then fold <div>. Is
there anyway around that?

ip
-- 
"If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause, and reflect.
-- Mark Twain


From chris at cjack.com  Mon Oct 11 02:47:30 2004
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 19:47:30 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] [ANN] C and Unix bundles
Message-ID: <E551282C-1B2F-11D9-A059-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>

Update of my previous C/C++/Objective-C bundle update.

* Correct C99 keywords and C++ ISO 646 keywords.
* Correct?handling of whitespace around?preprocessor keywords.
* The makefile syntax module now lives in a new Unix bundle, which also 
contains both a?generic shell script syntax and an "old-style" plist 
syntax.

<http://www.cjack.com/tm/C-and-Unix%20tmbundles.zip>

Share and Enjoy,
Chris


From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Mon Oct 11 02:58:56 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Sun, 10 Oct 2004 21:58:56 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] CSS not folding
Message-ID: <7DF9AAE8-1B31-11D9-8FB5-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>

It seems that folding isn't working in CSS documents. I'm using 1.01b1, 
but didn't try folding in 1.0 so I don't know if this new or not. There 
are down arrows next to each selector, but never any up arrows...



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 05:00:02 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:00:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Behavior menu undocumented
In-Reply-To: <dc21c78604101017026fb6137c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <dc21c78604101017026fb6137c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68D7AC2C-1B42-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 2:02, Aaron Swartz wrote:

> The Behavior menu appears to be entirely undocumented. What do its
> menu items do?

Would be nice if such questions where sent to the mailing list! :)

Freehanded edit:      allow cursor to be moved past end-of-line
Overwrite mode:       overwrite instead of insert typed characters
Smart typing:         insert ), }, ", etc. when typing (, {, ", etc.
Tab emulation:        use spaces instead of tabs (and treat multiple 
spaces as a tab)
Indented paste:       will re-indent pasted text to match current 
context
Tab expands snippets: controls if a snippet can be inserted by typing 
its trigger and pressing tab.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 05:05:36 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:05:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Code Folding
In-Reply-To: <65858840410101818684f56cf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <65858840410101818684f56cf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3030923B-1B43-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 3:18, Ivan Pan wrote:

> Consider the following codes:
> <div>
> ...
>    <li>
>    ...
>    </li>
> ...
> </div>
>
> When I try to fold the codes by clicking on <div>, it only folds to
> </li>. To fold to </div>, I have to fold <li> and then fold <div>. Is
> there anyway around that?

The default patterns doesn't fold <li>...</li>, did you change these?

It works here, also if I change your <li> to <div>, is the indent as 
your posting?

Is this in isolation or as part of a larger document?


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 05:08:21 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:08:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] CSS not folding
In-Reply-To: <7DF9AAE8-1B31-11D9-8FB5-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
References: <7DF9AAE8-1B31-11D9-8FB5-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
Message-ID: <928A06B4-1B43-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 4:58, jeremy*pinnix wrote:

> It seems that folding isn't working in CSS documents. I'm using 
> 1.01b1, but didn't try folding in 1.0 so I don't know if this new or 
> not. There are down arrows next to each selector, but never any up 
> arrows...

To fold a block the line that contain the end-marker must have the same 
indent as the line which contain the start-marker.

So this will work:

body {
     ...;
}

But this won't:

body {
     ...;
   }





Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 05:11:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:11:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] picking two dialog box nits
In-Reply-To: <4A73530A-1B04-11D9-9207-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
References: <F89FD9CA-1A48-11D9-8BA7-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<21D8ABDC-1A6B-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<4A73530A-1B04-11D9-9207-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>
Message-ID: <08A8DA13-1B44-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 10. Oct 2004, at 23:35, Jeff Ganyard wrote:

>>> 1. For me, hitting `ESC` in a dialog box is not invoking the 
>>> `Cancel` button (works that way in most apps)
>> So what should escape do? And which dialog box are you talking about?
> I'm not sure what dialog is referred to but 'Cancel' should be the 
> alternateButton.

And it does, I misread the question as the OP not wanting it.

I don't know why escape is not closing his save panel. Others who have 
this problem?



Kind regards Allan



From thebrier at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 05:23:06 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 01:23:06 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Problem with folding
Message-ID: <b44dd66604101022237c2bbf6e@mail.gmail.com>

I can't think of a way to get folding to work for Python code.  I
think it's because of the way folding is implemented in TextMate, so I
don't think it's possible, but I'm hoping someone can think of
something.

In Python, all blocks are delineated by indentation.  So, here's a
couple of blocks:

if 1:
    foo()
    bar()
else:
    fnord()

You'd want to be able to fold "if 1:" through "bar()" and be able to
fold "else:"  through "fnord()".  I can't think of any way to do this
with TextMate's folding implementation.

It's easy enough to set a foldingStartMarker -- any line ending with a
":" (simply speaking).  But what foldingStopMarker?  The "mark" is the
next line with the same indendation as the starting line, but that
line is *not* part of the fold.  You want the fold to end before that
line.

I'm tearing my hair out over here.  Can anyone think of a clever way
to do this?  Am I missing something, or is this just impossible with
the current implementation?

Thanks to anyone for help!


From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 05:25:29 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:25:29 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Code Folding
In-Reply-To: <3030923B-1B43-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <65858840410101818684f56cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<3030923B-1B43-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <658588404101022257e98d4e9@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:05:36 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> The default patterns doesn't fold <li>...</li>, did you change these?

Oops, my mistake. Here try this.
<div>
<ul>
<li>Item 1</li>
<li>Item 2</li>
<li>Item 3</li>
<li>Item 4</li>
</ul>
This part is still shown.
</div>
To fold <div>, you have to fold <ul> first.

It applies to <head> <style> </style> </head>. I need to fold <style> first.
-- 
"If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause, and reflect.
-- Mark Twain


From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 05:46:01 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 00:46:01 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Code Folding
In-Reply-To: <2C13AA5C-1B47-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <65858840410101818684f56cf@mail.gmail.com>
	<3030923B-1B43-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<658588404101022257e98d4e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<2C13AA5C-1B47-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <6585884041010224627a8a5cd@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 07:34:08 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> > Oops, my mistake. Here try this.
> > <div>
> > <ul>
> > <li>Item 1</li>
> > <li>Item 2</li>
> > <li>Item 3</li>
> > <li>Item 4</li>
> > </ul>
> 
> Yes, this is because of the rule about start and end lines to a folding
> must have the same indent.

Nay, I can live with that. The file was cleaned up with tidy. Normally
I have indents.
-- 
"If you ever find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
pause, and reflect.
-- Mark Twain


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 07:07:54 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:07:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Separation of style & syntax (was: TextMate ActionScript
	Bundle)
In-Reply-To: <D101AC83-1B4F-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
References: <463400E1-1960-11D9-ABE7-000A95BDCDA4@kidbombay.com>
	<544F9CBE-1AEB-11D9-9382-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<7B2EF7B8-1AEC-11D9-89FC-000393831446@mindspring.com>
	<D101AC83-1B4F-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <459B3528-1B54-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 8:36, Rob Bevan wrote:

> [...] I'd much prefer it if TextMate adopted the Xcode way of doing 
> this: the syntax file defines the language (primitives, built-in 
> classes, built-in methods, user functions, preprocessor directives, 
> Numbers and operators: whatever) and the user gets to pick how they 
> want those displayed [...]

Yes, as I thought I made clear on the ML, there will be separate style 
sheets in a later version.

Though I don't think it is as simple as Xcode and just a few "global" 
names, since TM has a rather free style to define syntax highlight, 
like in the HTML syntax file where a stand-alone & gets a red 
background, or the way that HTML uses color for markup when on its own, 
but grey-tones when there is embedded scripting (and colors are than 
reserved for scripts) -- plus when embedding stuff, the names would 
clash (i.e. a string in HTML, and the embedded JavaScript, Ruby, PHP or 
whatever, would be identical).

But the system I have in mind is similar to normal CSS, so it should 
allow both catch-all rules and pin-pointing individual elements (and 
put no restrain on which elements a syntax file can define).

Also, if I didn't mention this earlier, with the breakup of syntax and 
style, the former will also be used to enable/disable stuff like spell 
checking, foldings, smart-typing etc. for comments, strings, tags in 
HTML, etc., mark filenames so that they can be "followed" in the editor 
(#include, require(), <a href="...">, etc.), mark function prototypes 
or sections so that they can appear in the highly requested function 
popup a.s.o. -- and full recursion will also be supported (which may 
also then make it possible to do a (clickable) bread crumb display of 
context in the status bar).

I will also re-visit the folding marker-system -- so this is really a 
major overhaul of the current system!

I'll probably dedicate a portion of the wiki to collect requests for 
this system when the time is right -- currently I have a lot of other 
things that needs to be "fixed" with TextMate before I can spend 
resources on this new syntax system.


Kind regards Allan



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Mon Oct 11 08:25:21 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 10:25:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM and hard links
In-Reply-To: <9D3ED470-1969-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <20041008201413.GB46969@tara.freenix.org>
	<608A55CC-1967-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9D3ED470-1969-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041011082521.GA66421@tara.freenix.org>

According to Sune Foldager:
> Comming to think about it, since the entire file is written out all the 
> time, it probably won't make any speed difference... there could be a 
> permission problem though.

I see it is not in 1.0.1b1, please please pretty please put that in 1.0.2
or even 1.0.1 final.  I cannot use TM for development right now :(
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 09:41:32 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:41:32 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM and hard links
In-Reply-To: <20041011082521.GA66421@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041008201413.GB46969@tara.freenix.org>
	<608A55CC-1967-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9D3ED470-1969-11D9-A49B-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<20041011082521.GA66421@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <BC1E0C09-1B69-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 10:25, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> I see it is not in 1.0.1b1, please please pretty please put that in 
> 1.0.2
> or even 1.0.1 final.  I cannot use TM for development right now :(

b1 was only the first ~25 to-do items from the 60 or so that'll make it 
to 1.0.1.

I'll move up the hard-links thing to b2, which I expect to put online 
in ~12 hours.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 09:54:41 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 11:54:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros (was:  TextMate v1.0 Feedback)
In-Reply-To: <20041011104600.11015@smtp.laposte.net>
References: <20041011104600.11015@smtp.laposte.net>
Message-ID: <929072F7-1B6B-11D9-AF2A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 11:46, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     What is better than a rainy week-end to try a new software? So (and
> this will be my last question until version 1.01 is released)

You do know that we run a mailing list? ;)

> where are "scratch macros" stored? Can they be edited and modified? If 
> yes, what
> language is used to do it?

Currently only in memory -- I may keep it in the preferences, so that 
it'll remember the last scratch macro from last session.

However, the format they are stored in is custom -- I figured it would 
often be easier simply to re-record the macro again, than to use an 
editor to change an existing.

When you save a macro it ends up in:
  ~/Library/Application 
Support/TextMate/Bundles/Custom.tmbundle/Macros/<name>.plist

You /can/ edit this file, and I know some do. But it's officially not 
supported, and the format (despite being a normal property list) is 
undocumented ;)




Kind regards Allan



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 11 11:16:59 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 12:16:59 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <39BED788-19F8-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<39BED788-19F8-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <11D4B636-1B77-11D9-AEB0-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Could someone please make these mock-ups available for me to see 
off-list or via the new wiki. Had a problem with my e-mail for a few 
days, so I missed the original attachments and the List Archives does 
not show them.

Just very curious by nature : )

Thanks in advance.

Kind regards,

Mats

On Oct 9, 2004, at 14:36, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 9. Oct 2004, at 12:51, Luc Heinrich wrote:
>
>> I think it looks better than the bottom status bar, and it leaves 
>> room (which was a valid concern) for possible additions, popups, 
>> buttons, whatever.
>
> Certainly! I didn't like the bottom status bar you initially did (but 
> I really like the other things you've done!), And I do seem to recall 
> that somewhere in AHIG it says, that using the scroll bars for info 
> (which had a special gadget in Classic) should be avoided when 
> possible.
>
>> Thoughts ?
>
> I really like it! I hope to incorporate all your visual changes in 
> 1.0.2 (1.0.1 will mostly be bug fixes and behavior fixes).
>
>> PS: question for the list moderators: what is the preferred method to 
>> post screenshots on the list ? Attached pictures have to go through 
>> moderator approval, which is obvious, so do you prefer URLs for 
>> example ?
>
> For me it's most convenient to receive the mockups as inline images, 
> but I don't know if the other list members like this, mostly it's a 
> question of what bandwidth people have.   Normally I think it's 
> frowned upon to send large attachments to mailing lists.  But OTOH we 
> all love to look at nice images ;)
>
> Though David is currently setting up a wiki, I think then we should 
> move much of this to the wiki (but then you'll have to host the images 
> on your own site).
>
> Kind regards Allan



From raena at raena.net  Mon Oct 11 11:38:50 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 22:38:50 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] New doc from template outside the 'project' context?
Message-ID: <1F56873B-1B7A-11D9-9882-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

Hi,

I was wondering if it would be possible to create a new document from a 
template without having to be in a project.  Right now I've just got a 
scratch project for this stuff, but I kind of like the way BBEdit will 
let you make a 'New from template...' right there in the File menu.

thanks,
Raena



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 13:01:33 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:01:33 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] New doc from template outside the 'project' context?
In-Reply-To: <1F56873B-1B7A-11D9-9882-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
References: <1F56873B-1B7A-11D9-9882-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
Message-ID: <AD279516-1B85-11D9-AF2A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 13:38, Raena Armitage wrote:

> I was wondering if it would be possible to create a new document from 
> a template without having to be in a project. [...]

Currently not, but it will be fixed.

Down the road the single-file window will disappear completely, and 
there'll only be the project window with optional tabs and drawer, but 
it will feel more natural to work with non-projects in this window 
(i.e. support for untitled documents etc.).



Kind regards Allan



From aellis at gmx.net  Mon Oct 11 13:16:31 2004
From: aellis at gmx.net (Andrew Ellis)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:16:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Command line tool
In-Reply-To: <6004D778-18A0-11D9-A3C3-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
References: <6004D778-18A0-11D9-A3C3-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <C4FA5AA6-1B87-11D9-B0A7-000D932C574E@gmx.net>

hi

I've improved the command line tool; it is now possible to open folders 
as well as files using 'tm file(folder)', or 'tm -c newfile' if you 
want to create a new file.

You can also use stdin, eg. 'ls -a | tm'



tm can be downloaded here:
http://www.ini.unizh.ch/~awe/Code/TM_clTool.tgz


regards,

Andrew

PS. IS anyone out there working on a Matlab bundle? I've sort of 
started, but I don't really have time, since I'm supposed to be 
finishing my master's thesis ;-)


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From justin.french at indent.com.au  Mon Oct 11 14:03:14 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:03:14 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] searches from within TM
Message-ID: <4B1117C8-1B8E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

Fellow TextMates,

Allan has added a nice little menu in 1.0.1 for the times when two or 
more things 'clash' on the same keyboard shortcut (like commands)... 
this then allowed us to 'stack' multiple similar commands (like search 
engines) onto the one key command, like the 'help' key. which is very 
cool.

So, I've added support for Dictionary.com, Google, Thesaurus.com, 
Wikipedia, Yahoo in the default bundle, and PHP.net in the PHP bundle.  
See screen grab attached.  Basically, it pumps the current word into 
your chosen search engine, and it works great!!

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I'm looking for nominations for additional searches to be added to the 
Default, PHP, HTML or CSS bundles... right now it doesn't appear we can 
add W3.org sites, because there's no nice flat URL structure to work 
off, and no focused search engine.

Feel free to also say "we don't need Yahoo", etc etc.

I'm thinking perhaps an amazon.com search would be a possibility, but 
really I'm looking for any search-based technical references that could 
be of help to the masses of TM users by feeding it the current word.

It's totally easy to add your own in 1.0.1 by the way :)


Justin

From justin.french at indent.com.au  Mon Oct 11 14:31:29 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:31:29 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] searches from within TM
In-Reply-To: <4B1117C8-1B8E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <4B1117C8-1B8E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <3DB4A544-1B92-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 12/10/2004, at 12:03 AM, Justin French wrote:

> Allan has added a nice little menu in 1.0.1

Oooops, should have highlighted that it will be in the FINAL 1.0.1, not 
the current 1.0.1b1 that's floating around :)

In other words, don't go looking for this feature in 1.0.1b1

Justin



From raena at raena.net  Mon Oct 11 14:43:06 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 01:43:06 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] web badges/buttons
Message-ID: <DD195251-1B93-11D9-9882-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

Ahoy there, textmateys:

I took the liberty of making some little web buttons/badges, for anyone 
who'd like one.  (Actually, I was really only thinking of myself, cause 
I wanted to stick something on my weblog, but it's rude not to share.)

http://www.raena.net/textmate-icons/



From johans at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 14:53:18 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 16:53:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] searches from within TM
In-Reply-To: <3DB4A544-1B92-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <4B1117C8-1B8E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<3DB4A544-1B92-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <68905974041011075342fac22@mail.gmail.com>

I had that menu come up in 1.0.1b1 (when I had two commands with the
same keyboard shortcut).. But perhaps that wasnt the one you meant?

-j

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:31:29 +1000, Justin French
<justin.french at indent.com.au> wrote:
> On 12/10/2004, at 12:03 AM, Justin French wrote:
> 
> > Allan has added a nice little menu in 1.0.1
> 
> Oooops, should have highlighted that it will be in the FINAL 1.0.1, not
> the current 1.0.1b1 that's floating around :)
> 
> In other words, don't go looking for this feature in 1.0.1b1
> 
> Justin
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 11 15:17:03 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:17:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] searches from within TM
In-Reply-To: <68905974041011075342fac22@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4B1117C8-1B8E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<3DB4A544-1B92-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<68905974041011075342fac22@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9B18F138-1B98-11D9-AF2A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 11. Oct 2004, at 16:53, Johan S?rensen wrote:

>> Oooops, should have highlighted that it will be in the FINAL 1.0.1, 
>> not
>> the current 1.0.1b1 that's floating around :)
> I had that menu come up in 1.0.1b1 (when I had two commands with the
> same keyboard shortcut).. But perhaps that wasnt the one you meant?

I was also a bit confused over Justin's post. Probably he meant that 
1.0.1b1 doesn't have his lookup stuff in the default bundle, cause it 
has the menu! :)


Kind regards Allan



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 15:34:11 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:34:11 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window mockups update
In-Reply-To: <11D4B636-1B77-11D9-AEB0-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <2DED3F97-19E1-11D9-8E59-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<39BED788-19F8-11D9-8F87-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<11D4B636-1B77-11D9-AEB0-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <f888a1904101108347ea82d7d@mail.gmail.com>

 > Could someone please make these mock-ups available for me to see
> off-list or via the new wiki. Had a problem with my e-mail for a few
> days, so I missed the original attachments and the List Archives does
> not show them.

Just published one of my mock-ups on the official wiki
(http://wiki.macromates.com/).
I put it under my own "Author" page for now, Specific feature
illustrations may go elsewhere,
but this is just a snapshot of my current progress.


hp.


From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 11 15:50:52 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:50:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Updating TextMate?
In-Reply-To: <7F02DAE7-1AAF-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <8d5544d80410091524683d25d7@mail.gmail.com>
	<BB27149E-1A42-11D9-AE9E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<f888a1904101003387b182d91@mail.gmail.com>
	<8d5544d804101004184bc6b6da@mail.gmail.com>
	<7F02DAE7-1AAF-11D9-AEAB-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <f888a19041011085045697d2f@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> Also, if you have e.g. a default HTML bundle and you make a local HTML
> bundle, it'll overshadow the default stuff on a per directory-basis.
> So if you only make macros in your local copy, it'll only be the macros
> directory you'll need to update if you want some of the new defaults.
> 

One idea is to have a basedOn (or derivedFrom) parameter in the syntax
definition,
so Syntax named PHP can change when HTML changes, because of its
defined dependency.

sort of like a IsA to the include parameter?s HasA

Initially was thinking only that syntaxes with same name would cascade. 
But use of inheritance will be more clear, as an accurate hierarchy is defined.


From infolists at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 00:10:22 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:10:22 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] View Safari source in TM?
Message-ID: <8d5544d80410111710753972bc@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

There is an InputManager here:
http://www.codingmonkeys.de/map/log/archives/000107.html
that hijacks the output of Safari's "view source" command to SubEthaEdit.

It is beyond my expertise to come up with something similar for TM but
reckon it might be useful.I like it when I am coding PHP and want to
get back the processed HTML from my local development server to look
at the final output. In BBEdit I would then maybe "check syntax" to
see if my PHP was producing OK (X)HTML (although I gather this is not
possible in TM? Maybe there is a CLI-based tool to validate XHTML to
which TM could talk? )

So, I'm putting it out there for some generous soul to hack one up for TM ;-)

The above link even includes the source code.

Any takers?

bongoman


From infolists at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 00:11:07 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:11:07 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Command line tool
In-Reply-To: <C4FA5AA6-1B87-11D9-B0A7-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
References: <6004D778-18A0-11D9-A3C3-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
	<C4FA5AA6-1B87-11D9-B0A7-000D932C574E@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804101117113477cca0@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent. Thanks!

bongoman


From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Tue Oct 12 00:18:10 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:18:10 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
Message-ID: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>

Hello,

Early on the first day of this mailing list I sent an email about my 
first impressions, both positive and negative, which generated a few 
responses, including one from Allen I believe. That said I want to 
highlight what for me, as an HTML coder, is the only major downfall 
that has not been spoken about extensively:

> Dragging an image from the project pane into a HTML file should add 
> something like <img src="eric.jpg" alt="eric" width="100" height="100" 
> /> and not the actual source code of an image at the insertion point.

Now I have seen a few requests that suggest highlighting an image in 
the project drawer should display the graphic file instead of the code 
and I agree, however this is not the major hurdle in my book. We need 
to be able to grab a file from the drawer and pull it into our html 
code and have the correct width and height added automatically.

I have been letting this subject percolate for a few days in my head 
and I just can not think of another workaround that would approach any 
reasonable level of efficiency (I would love to hear some though). I 
could make a macro and have it tab stop at the name, width, height and 
alt however I am not going to know the width and height in 99% of the 
cases. I personally would also like to have it automatically add the 
file name without the extension as the alt tag though some might argue 
that this will promote poor coding practices, I tend to label my files 
with readable names...

Please take care of this ASAP...

Sincerely,

Eric Curtis



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 12 00:34:55 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 14:34:55 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <89F7E290-1BE6-11D9-A793-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 11, 2004, at 2:18 PM, Eric Curtis wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Early on the first day of this mailing list I sent an email about my 
> first impressions, both positive and negative, which generated a few 
> responses, including one from Allen I believe. That said I want to 
> highlight what for me, as an HTML coder, is the only major downfall 
> that has not been spoken about extensively:
>
>> Dragging an image from the project pane into a HTML file should add 
>> something like <img src="eric.jpg" alt="eric" width="100" 
>> height="100" /> and not the actual source code of an image at the 
>> insertion point.

Eric -- I would love to see this as well. Now that the wiki is up, 
perhaps we should start an HTML/CSS feature request page?



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 12 01:50:57 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:50:57 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <293ED564-1BF1-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 12/10/2004, at 10:18 AM, Eric Curtis wrote:

> I have been letting this subject percolate for a few days in my head 
> and I just can not think of another workaround that would approach any 
> reasonable level of efficiency (I would love to hear some though). I 
> could make a macro and have it tab stop at the name, width, height and 
> alt however I am not going to know the width and height in 99% of the 
> cases. I personally would also like to have it automatically add the 
> file name without the extension as the alt tag though some might argue 
> that this will promote poor coding practices, I tend to label my files 
> with readable names...
>
> Please take care of this ASAP...

I don't think this can be taken care of with Macros or existing 
commands, so it might have to be "hard coded" into TM, which will take 
longer... it's on my personal to-do/mission list 
<http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/show/JustinFrenchToDo>, and I'm 
emailing Allan some ideas right now...

In the meantime, may I suggest the following:

- use the img snippet (type img[tab]) which excludes height and width
- modify the img snippet so that it has a place holder where height & 
width should be
- use Finder and the "Dimensionizer" contextual menu plug-in [1] to get 
the height and width string for you, paste into TM

It isn't pretty, but it's a temporary workflow that works for me.

Then again, most of the time I use PHP to grab my images on the fly... 
instead of:
	<img src="eric.jpg" alt="eric" width="100" height="100" />
I'd have:
	<?=imageTag('eric.jpg','Photo of Eric')?>

imageTag() checks for a valid image and location (no more broken image 
links), determines the height and width, and if the 2nd attribute isn't 
given (alt text), it will "make up" an alt tag based on the filename 
(eg "Eric"), then generates the tag.

I can't remember the last time I wrote an image tag actually!  I think 
I'll write up this imageTag() function of mine on my blog [2] in the 
next few days, so any one who's interested, keep an eye out.

[1] http://automaticlabs.com/products/dimensionizer/
[2] http://justinfrench.com


Justin French






From chris at cjack.com  Tue Oct 12 03:28:59 2004
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 20:28:59 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <293ED564-1BF1-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<293ED564-1BF1-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <DB13C910-1BFE-11D9-8299-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>


On Oct 11, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Justin French wrote:

> On 12/10/2004, at 10:18 AM, Eric Curtis wrote:
>
>> I have been letting this subject percolate for a few days in my head 
>> and I just can not think of another workaround that would approach 
>> any reasonable level of efficiency (I would love to hear some 
>> though). I could make a macro and have it tab stop at the name, 
>> width, height and alt however I am not going to know the width and 
>> height in 99% of the cases. I personally would also like to have it 
>> automatically add the file name without the extension as the alt tag 
>> though some might argue that this will promote poor coding practices, 
>> I tend to label my files with readable names...
>>
>> Please take care of this ASAP...
>
> I don't think this can be taken care of with Macros or existing 
> commands, so it might have to be "hard coded" into TM, which will take 
> longer... it's on my personal to-do/mission list 
> <http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/show/JustinFrenchToDo>, and I'm 
> emailing Allan some ideas right now...

On Oct 11, 2004, at 6:50 PM, Justin French wrote:

On 12/10/2004, at 10:18 AM, Eric Curtis wrote:

I have been letting this subject percolate for a few days in my head 
and I just can not think of another workaround that would approach any 
reasonable level of efficiency (I would love to hear some though). I 
could make a macro and have it tab stop at the name, width, height and 
alt however I am not going to know the width and height in 99% of the 
cases. I personally would also like to have it automatically add the 
file name without the extension as the alt tag though some might argue 
that this will promote poor coding practices, I tend to label my files 
with readable names...

Please take care of this ASAP...

I don't think this can be taken care of with Macros or existing 
commands, so it might have to be "hard coded" into TM, which will take 
longer... it's on my personal to-do/mission list 
<http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/show/JustinFrenchToDo>, and I'm 
emailing Allan some ideas right now...

What would be nice is a per-language drag hook. For example, for shell 
scripts, I'd like to have the raw path of a file or folder, rather than 
the file content or directory listing. For XML, I might want a 
relative?XPath, calculated from project root.

(And then, of course, we need a $TM_MODIFIER_KEYS variable to allow 
modification of drop?behavior...)

Chris


From cryo at diku.dk  Tue Oct 12 03:49:37 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 05:49:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] New beta
Message-ID: <BCF36ED4-1C01-11D9-8D4A-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

1.0.1b2 is out, if anyone disabled their auto-checks or similar... plus 
it "only" checks every 8 hours or so.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 12 03:58:46 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:58:46 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <DB13C910-1BFE-11D9-8299-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<293ED564-1BF1-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<DB13C910-1BFE-11D9-8299-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
Message-ID: <04486A33-1C03-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 12/10/2004, at 1:28 PM, Chris Thomas wrote:

> What would be nice is a per-language drag hook. For example, for shell 
> scripts, I'd like to have the raw path of a file or folder, rather 
> than the file content or directory listing. For XML, I might want a 
> relative?XPath, calculated from project root.
>
> (And then, of course, we need a $TM_MODIFIER_KEYS variable to allow 
> modification of drop?behavior...)

That's exactly the same thoughts/ideas I sent to Allan :)

Justin French




From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 12 04:34:20 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 06:34:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <FBE4DBB4-1C07-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 12. Oct 2004, at 2:18, Eric Curtis wrote:

> I could make a macro and have it tab stop at the name, width, height 
> and alt however I am not going to know the width and height in 99% of 
> the cases. [...]

You can call out to an external command in the macro, to get the 
dimensions.

Unfortunately the 'file' command (which ships with OS X) only dump 
image dimensions for a few image types, but PNG and GIF are among these 
though (JPEG is not AFAIRC).

If you wan't, I can experiment a bit and send a step-by-step 
explanation on how to make such a macro.  I don't know if it's best to 
start with the filename or the img-tag  (and then just insert the 
width/height)?!?



Kind regards Allan



From thebrier at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 04:38:12 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 00:38:12 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Separation of style & syntax (was: TextMate
	ActionScript Bundle)
In-Reply-To: <459B3528-1B54-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <463400E1-1960-11D9-ABE7-000A95BDCDA4@kidbombay.com>
	<544F9CBE-1AEB-11D9-9382-000D9335A256@ianp.org>
	<7B2EF7B8-1AEC-11D9-89FC-000393831446@mindspring.com>
	<D101AC83-1B4F-11D9-BF55-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
	<459B3528-1B54-11D9-951A-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <b44dd6660410112138bd6261c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 09:07:54 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> 
> I will also re-visit the folding marker-system -- so this is really a
> major overhaul of the current system!

Allan, I wonder if you have you thought about this enough to tell us
all whether you think this change  might support Python code blocks
(reference: <http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/000503.html>)?

Thanks much.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 12 05:10:22 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:10:22 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <DB13C910-1BFE-11D9-8299-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<293ED564-1BF1-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<DB13C910-1BFE-11D9-8299-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
Message-ID: <04AEF656-1C0D-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 12. Oct 2004, at 5:28, Chris Thomas wrote:

> What would be nice is a per-language drag hook. For example, for shell 
> scripts, I'd like to have the raw path of a file or folder, rather 
> than the file content or directory listing. For XML, I might want a 
> relative?XPath, calculated from project root.

Yes, something like this is what I'd prefer. I'm not going to hardcode 
HTML-support into TextMate in a way that makes it do image markup. But 
I _would_ like to make a general system that allows HTML users to 
achieve the same (and we'll just put this in the default 
HTML.tmbundle).

> (And then, of course, we need a $TM_MODIFIER_KEYS variable to allow 
> modification of drop?behavior...)

Ah, nice touch!


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 12 05:39:30 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 07:39:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [RFC] Drag actions
Message-ID: <16D4C855-1C11-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

FYI: RFC = Request For Comments.

Based on recent input I suggest that I add a new list of 'drag actions'.

This will be similar to commands in that it's just a shell command TM 
will execute (with the normal TM-variables, adding one for the path of 
(the) dragged file(s) and one for the modifier keys).

The output options will also be as for commands, although I'll be 
adding a new output option: Insert as Snippet (this will be added to 
all the shell executions where you can select what to do with the 
output).

A drag-action can set a regex to be matched against the current file 
and the dragged file, if both match, the drag action will be executed 
(this should probably be a prioritized list instead of TM showing a 
menu when multiple actions could be applied, since it's likely one 
wants to do 'catch all' rules).

Additionally there should probably be an option to set whether the drag 
action can work with multiple files (and if this is not set, it will be 
executed once for every file).


Kind regards Allan



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Tue Oct 12 08:08:40 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 10:08:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] New beta
In-Reply-To: <BCF36ED4-1C01-11D9-8D4A-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <BCF36ED4-1C01-11D9-8D4A-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <20041012080840.GA72061@tara.freenix.org>

According to Sune Foldager:
> 1.0.1b2 is out, if anyone disabled their auto-checks or similar... plus 
> it "only" checks every 8 hours or so.

Thanks a lot Allan!  Works like a charm.
-----
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to break hardlinks.
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-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 12 09:37:27 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:37:27 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <04486A33-1C03-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<293ED564-1BF1-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<DB13C910-1BFE-11D9-8299-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
	<04486A33-1C03-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <54ACFDC2-1C32-11D9-B36C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 11, 2004, at 5:58 PM, Justin French wrote:

> On 12/10/2004, at 1:28 PM, Chris Thomas wrote:
>
>> What would be nice is a per-language drag hook. For example, for 
>> shell scripts, I'd like to have the raw path of a file or folder, 
>> rather than the file content or directory listing. For XML, I might 
>> want a relative?XPath, calculated from project root.
>>
>> (And then, of course, we need a $TM_MODIFIER_KEYS variable to allow 
>> modification of drop?behavior...)
>


> That's exactly the same thoughts/ideas I sent to Allan :)

Ooh, even better, So there could be a Ruby language hook that works 
like the PHP one you explained earlier Justin?



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 12 09:39:42 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2004 23:39:42 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <FBE4DBB4-1C07-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<FBE4DBB4-1C07-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <A4A7370A-1C32-11D9-B36C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 11, 2004, at 6:34 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> If you wan't, I can experiment a bit and send a step-by-step 
> explanation on how to make such a macro.

yes

> I don't know if it's best to start with the filename or the img-tag  
> (and then just insert the width/height)?!?

not quite sure what you mean Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 12 10:43:57 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:43:57 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
Message-ID: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>

I know this has been discussed, and a number of people have expressed 
their view that the TextMate icon isn't too visually pleasing already.

However, using TM in anger today, I keep finding myself searching 
frantically for the icon in the dock. It's so indistinguishable at a 
small size that I literally find it hard to see.

So I guess my point is that it's easy to dismiss concerns over the icon 
as a matter of taste. Unfortunately in this case, and certainly for me, 
it's a matter of usability - the icon isn't doing its job.

See attached!

I think I'm going to hunt out an alternative to use in the meantime, but 
I hope that's useful feedback.

drew.
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From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 12 10:57:56 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 11:57:56 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
In-Reply-To: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>
References: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <416BB8B4.6090400@allinthehead.com>

Drew McLellan wrote:

> So I guess my point is that it's easy to dismiss concerns over the icon 
> as a matter of taste. Unfortunately in this case, and certainly for me, 
> it's a matter of usability - the icon isn't doing its job.
> 
> See attached!
> 
> I think I'm going to hunt out an alternative to use in the meantime, but 
> I hope that's useful feedback.

In an attempt to be a little more constructive :)

Here's how my dock looks now I've swapped the TM icon for a bright green 
splodge. It's the one between Preview and Entourage.

I appreciate that not every application should be competing for 
attention in the dock, but TM by its nature is likely to be one of the 
main tools a user is working with during their session, so it makes 
sense for it to visually stand out more than something like Preview or 
iSync.

drew.
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From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 12 11:36:39 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:36:39 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
In-Reply-To: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>
References: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <FB46BAE6-1C42-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 12/10/2004, at 8:43 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> However, using TM in anger today, I keep finding myself searching 
> frantically for the icon in the dock. It's so indistinguishable at a 
> small size that I literally find it hard to see.

I know exactly what you mean, and I'm compiling a gallery of 
user-submitted alternatives, plus some ideas of my own, in the hope of 
finding something that we can all agree on.

The good news is, after a little while (less than a week for me), you 
tend to look for "that brown/purple blob" in the dock, and it actually 
works... you're probably used to the BBEdit bright blue icon (like I 
was).

Needless to say, change is planned, but hang in there, you'll get used 
to it :)


Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 12 11:38:47 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 21:38:47 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
In-Reply-To: <416BB8B4.6090400@allinthehead.com>
References: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>
	<416BB8B4.6090400@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <47B8FA95-1C43-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

hey drew, can you run thru everything else on your dock (yes, a little 
OT!).. there's a few I don't recognise, and I always love knowing what 
everyone else is using :)

Justin


On 12/10/2004, at 8:57 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> Drew McLellan wrote:
>
>> So I guess my point is that it's easy to dismiss concerns over the 
>> icon as a matter of taste. Unfortunately in this case, and certainly 
>> for me, it's a matter of usability - the icon isn't doing its job.
>> See attached!
>> I think I'm going to hunt out an alternative to use in the meantime, 
>> but I hope that's useful feedback.
>
> In an attempt to be a little more constructive :)
>
> Here's how my dock looks now I've swapped the TM icon for a bright 
> green splodge. It's the one between Preview and Entourage.
>
> I appreciate that not every application should be competing for 
> attention in the dock, but TM by its nature is likely to be one of the 
> main tools a user is working with during their session, so it makes 
> sense for it to visually stand out more than something like Preview or 
> iSync.
>
> drew.
> <dock2.gif>_______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 12 12:00:21 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:00:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <A4A7370A-1C32-11D9-B36C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<FBE4DBB4-1C07-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<A4A7370A-1C32-11D9-B36C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <4B05C278-1C46-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 12. Oct 2004, at 11:39, Timothy Martens wrote:

>> If you wan't, I can experiment a bit and send a step-by-step 
>> explanation on how to make such a macro.
> yes

Okay, select Command / Edit Menu? and press the + sign.

Enter a suiting name and a key equivalent and put this in the 
command(s): text box (leave the other things as their defaults):
----------8<----------
cd "$TM_DIRECTORY"
image=$TM_SELECTED_TEXT

# check if image exists on disk
[ -f $image ] || { echo $image; exit 1; }

# extract width, height and alt-text
w=`file "$image" | perl -pe 's/^.*,\s*(\d+)[ x]+(\d+)\s*(,.*|$)/$1/'`
h=`file "$image" | perl -pe 's/^.*,\s*(\d+)[ x]+(\d+)\s*(,.*|$)/$1/'`
alt=`echo $image | perl -pe 's/^(.*\/)?(.*?)(\..*)?$/$2/g'`

# write the img tag to stdout
echo "<img src=\"$image\" width=\"$w\" height=\"$h\" alt=\"$alt\" />"
---------->8----------

With this command I can write: "images/apache_pb.gif", select it, and 
execute the above command, and it turns into: "<img 
src="images/apache_pb.gif" width="259" height="259" alt="apache_pb" />"

Of course it'll be easier when we add the drag hooks, and it'll be 
better when 'insert as snippet' becomes an output option (since you can 
then have the alt-text selected, and another placeholder after the 
image or similar).

And as said, the 'file' command can only give image dimensions for PNG 
and GIF pictures.  It may be possible to query apple script actually, 
but startup time for AS is poor IMHO.

I'll figure out a solution when I do the drag hooks, so that we can 
ship with a default drag hook for images that just works... :)

>> I don't know if it's best to start with the filename or the img-tag  
>> (and then just insert the width/height)?!?
> not quite sure what you mean Allan

Well, either you could be interested in inserting width/height to an 
existing image tag, or you could want TM to create the img-tag from the 
file name.

I made the above command expect the latter.


Kind regards Allan



From lucsky at mac.com  Tue Oct 12 12:54:36 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:54:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request
In-Reply-To: <4B05C278-1C46-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <32CD2780-1BE4-11D9-AA79-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
	<FBE4DBB4-1C07-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<A4A7370A-1C32-11D9-B36C-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<4B05C278-1C46-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <DECCFE80-1C4D-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

On 12 oct. 2004, at 14:00, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> And as said, the 'file' command can only give image dimensions for PNG 
> and GIF pictures.  It may be possible to query apple script actually, 
> but startup time for AS is poor IMHO.

Use SIPS then. SIPS [1] is the "Scriptable Image Processing Server" and 
can be accessed through AppleScript AND the 'sips' command line tool.

For example, to query an image for its width and height, just do:
sips -g pixelWidth -g pixelHeight the_image

To get help:
sips -h

To know all available properties:
sips -H

Note: I think that SIPS is only available on 10.3.

[1] http://www.apple.com/applescript/imageevents/

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com



From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 12 13:14:09 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:14:09 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
In-Reply-To: <47B8FA95-1C43-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>	<416BB8B4.6090400@allinthehead.com>
	<47B8FA95-1C43-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <416BD8A1.7050304@allinthehead.com>

Justin French wrote:
> hey drew, can you run thru everything else on your dock (yes, a little 
> OT!).. there's a few I don't recognise, and I always love knowing what 
> everyone else is using :)

In order (including the obvious)

Finder
iChat
Thunderbird (personal email)
Safari
NetNewsWire
iTerm
RBrowser (SSH file transfer)
Fireworks
Transmit
iSync
Firefox
Preview
TextMate :)
Entourage (work email)
BBEdit (evil)
svnX (subversion client)
Backdrop (puts a plain background up for taking screenshots)
[divider]
Minimized Safari window
The Bin.

I don't usually have this much running, to be honest, but it's a busy 
day. I don't keep anything in the dock, so at any one time it gives me 
an overview of what's running.

drew.


From joost at greenskin.net  Tue Oct 12 13:22:35 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:22:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
In-Reply-To: <416BD8A1.7050304@allinthehead.com>
References: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>	<416BB8B4.6090400@allinthehead.com>	<47B8FA95-1C43-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<416BD8A1.7050304@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <416BDA9B.4030507@greenskin.net>

Drew McLellan wrote:

> I don't usually have this much running, to be honest, but it's a busy 
> day. I don't keep anything in the dock, so at any one time it gives me 
> an overview of what's running.

That's what I do too, and launch my apps using QuickSilver. It rocks! :) 
(although I liked Launchbar a bit better, but QS is free) :)

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From ronanm at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 16:28:54 2004
From: ronanm at gmail.com (ronan)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 17:28:54 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Crash bug.
Message-ID: <42f5d1a00410120928395ff5fa@mail.gmail.com>

Entering, top [Ctrl + R] hangs TextMate.

I'd either not permit it or take a static shot of `top` and use that.

--

ronanm.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 12 17:01:50 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 19:01:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Crash bug.
In-Reply-To: <42f5d1a00410120928395ff5fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42f5d1a00410120928395ff5fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <68E4742E-1C70-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 12. Oct 2004, at 18:28, ronan wrote:

> Entering, top [Ctrl + R] hangs TextMate.

Top is running in the background, and you _can_ break top (and TextMate 
will continue).  So this is *not* a crash bug.

In the not-so-distant future I'll make it more Mac-like and put up an 
'abort' requester when a command doesn't finish after 2-5 seconds, and 
I'll also make it so that commands that send output to a single editor 
window, will only block that window.


Kind regards Allan



From pburleson at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 17:34:56 2004
From: pburleson at gmail.com (Patrick Burleson)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:34:56 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] More icon feedback
In-Reply-To: <416BD8A1.7050304@allinthehead.com>
References: <416BB56D.3040807@allinthehead.com>
	<416BB8B4.6090400@allinthehead.com>
	<47B8FA95-1C43-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<416BD8A1.7050304@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <be6a143b04101210342c2fa31f@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 12 Oct 2004 14:14:09 +0100, Drew McLellan
<lists at allinthehead.com> wrote:

> In order (including the obvious)
> 
> Finder
> iChat
> Thunderbird (personal email)
> Safari
> NetNewsWire
> iTerm
> RBrowser (SSH file transfer)
> Fireworks
> Transmit
> iSync
> Firefox
> Preview
> TextMate :)
> Entourage (work email)
> BBEdit (evil)
> svnX (subversion client)
> Backdrop (puts a plain background up for taking screenshots)
> [divider]
> Minimized Safari window
> The Bin.
> 


Thanks for that list, I was about to send an email asking about them.
I am usually interested in the more colorful icons and what apps they
are. Funny thing about working on a Mac....the icons usually matter
and they have to look good. :-)

Patrick


From chris at cjack.com  Tue Oct 12 20:00:58 2004
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 13:00:58 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Xcode external editor support
Message-ID: <6F5AA3C3-1C89-11D9-AB5F-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>

I'm?using TextMate as my Xcode external editor. This works pretty well,  
but I have a couple of problems:

(1) TextMate?doesn't seem to support the external editor interface.  
Specifically, what?seems to be missing is the ability to go directly to  
a specified line when opening a file.?This is described?here:

????http://www.codingmonkeys.de/techpubs/externaleditor/ 
pbxexternaleditor.html

Remarks	Metrowerks state in their documentation that the IDE (here  
Project Builder) uses the optional keyAEPosition parameter to tell the  
editor the selection range. If lineNum is zero or greater, scroll the  
text to the specified line. If lineNum is less than zero, use the  
values in startRange and endRange to select the specified characters.  
Scroll the text to display the selection. If lineNum, startRange and  
endRange are all negative, there is no selection range specified.

Basically, intercept the odoc AppleEvent and read the optional  
parameter for line number or selection information.

(2) When I open a TextMate document?that I already have open, TextMate  
creates a new window for it and leaves the old window open too. This  
can be?very useful under?special circumstances, however -- more  
frequently -- it just rapidly and pointlessly?clutters up my desktop.  
Creating a new window is useful, but should be an optional behavior.  
Usually, what I'm trying to do when I open a document is navigate to an  
existing window, relying on the standard Mac UI behavior.?I will  
frequently double-click a file in the Xcode project window to get back  
to TextMate, most?often a file I already have open.

Chris



From cryo at diku.dk  Tue Oct 12 20:58:27 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:58:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Crash bug.
In-Reply-To: <68E4742E-1C70-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <42f5d1a00410120928395ff5fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<68E4742E-1C70-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <7730C7EF-1C91-11D9-8F1E-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 12/10-2004, at 19:01, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 12. Oct 2004, at 18:28, ronan wrote:
>
>> Entering, top [Ctrl + R] hangs TextMate.
>
> Top is running in the background, and you _can_ break top (and 
> TextMate will continue).  So this is *not* a crash bug.

Besides, blocking ar hacking top is no solution.. there are plenty of 
programs (midnight commander for instance) that will have the save 
problem most likely.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From pburleson at gmail.com  Tue Oct 12 22:12:02 2004
From: pburleson at gmail.com (Patrick Burleson)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 18:12:02 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Find/Replace special characters
Message-ID: <be6a143b041012151213c63df@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,

I'm loving TM even with it's little blemishes (like not printing!).
But here's a question:

How do I search for or replace text with a special character, such as
a <CR>? With UltraEdit I would use ^M or something like that. Does TM
offer the same sorts of things?

Thanks,
Patrick


From phil at hinkty.com  Tue Oct 12 22:40:26 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 15:40:26 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Project file drawer
In-Reply-To: <9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <B66A9ABD-1C9F-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

Hi All,

As a follow up, I just started getting into the bookmark feature, 
unfortunately when I quit out those seem to get dropped on the floor as 
well (like the folder inclusion patterns).

Will we be able to save these at some point? Or is this by design?

Thanks,
Phil

On Oct 10, 2004, at 3:13 PM, Phil Aaronson wrote:

> Ah, got it. Shoot, that doesn't work either. Well, it worked great 
> just as long as I had TextMate up. If I quit out and restarted all the 
> changes to the patterns are removed. Is there a way to make these 
> changes permanent?
>
> I apologize for my daftness.
>
> Thanks,
> Phil
>
> On Oct 10, 2004, at 2:50 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> On 10/10-2004, at 23:43, Phil Aaronson wrote:
>>
>>> Unfortunately the battle continues. So I tried removing the 
>>> reference to the pdf files and img directories via the "gear" icon 
>>> at the bottom of the drawer (pull down to "Remove Selected Files"). 
>>> But they were refreshed back into the drawer in short order (as they 
>>> were when hitting delete before). Then I tried removing them via the 
>>> "i" icon in the drawer, but ... but ... I'm not seeing how exactly? 
>>> I think I'm missing something obvious :)
>>
>> Highlight the folder and press the information-icon to edit the 
>> inclusion patterns (no, cmd-i doesn't work for now. Cocoa 
>> limitation). This will not exactly allow you to remove individual 
>> files, but you should be able to create a pattern to exclude the ones 
>> you need :-).
>>
>> -- 
>> Sune.
>> "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
>> http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>



From jeroen at os3.nl  Wed Oct 13 07:47:07 2004
From: jeroen at os3.nl (Jeroen van der Ham)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:47:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Crash bug.
In-Reply-To: <68E4742E-1C70-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <42f5d1a00410120928395ff5fa@mail.gmail.com>
	<68E4742E-1C70-11D9-AEA4-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <20041013074707.GA56599@je-ju.net>

Allan Odgaard wrote at Tue, 12 Oct 2004 about Re: [TextMate] Crash bug.:
> 
> In the not-so-distant future I'll make it more Mac-like and put up an 
> 'abort' requester when a command doesn't finish after 2-5 seconds, and 

Perhaps make it a user configurable interval and perhaps also make the popup
window come backup if the user makes it wait a while and it still hasn't
finished after (n+1) * T?

Jeroen.


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 13 07:49:15 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:49:15 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Find/Replace special characters
In-Reply-To: <be6a143b041012151213c63df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6a143b041012151213c63df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20041013074915.GA89325@tara.freenix.org>

According to Patrick Burleson:
> How do I search for or replace text with a special character, such as
> a <CR>? With UltraEdit I would use ^M or something like that. Does TM
> offer the same sorts of things?

If you specify that the string is a regex, you should be able to use
something like \r or \n, no?

(disclaimer: not tested)
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 07:50:03 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:50:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Bookmarks (was: Project file drawer)
In-Reply-To: <B66A9ABD-1C9F-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<B66A9ABD-1C9F-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <7DDF68E5-1CEC-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 0:40, Phil Aaronson wrote:

> As a follow up, I just started getting into the bookmark feature, 
> unfortunately when I quit out those seem to get dropped on the floor 
> as well (like the folder inclusion patterns).

With regard to the folder inclusion patterns, these should _not_ be 
dropped if you set it for the actual folder reference (as opposed to 
one of the sub folders). I will improve this (scheduled for 1.0.3), 
where I'll also save which sub folders were expanded etc.

> Will we be able to save these at some point? Or is this by design?

By design I tried to make as much meta data as possible 'automatic', 
seeing how it could easily be out of synch if the file goes through 
another editor, CVS/svn, email, is moved on disk, or similar.

But I would of course like the best solution, rather than be religious 
about it. So even the things which are by design, are open for changes! 
:)

It would help to know how you use the bookmarks. Is it a temporary fix 
until the function popup? Could they for example be auto generated by 
giving a regex for all lines which should be bookmarked?

Personally I only use them as scratch bookmarks, i.e. when I want to go 
elsewhere in the source, but be able to return with a single key 
stroke.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 07:51:31 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 09:51:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Find/Replace special characters
In-Reply-To: <be6a143b041012151213c63df@mail.gmail.com>
References: <be6a143b041012151213c63df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B2A2FC86-1CEC-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 0:12, Patrick Burleson wrote:

> How do I search for or replace text with a special character, such as
> a <CR>? With UltraEdit I would use ^M or something like that. Does TM
> offer the same sorts of things?

You can enable 'regular expression' and then type \r (or any other 
escape code).


Kind regards Allan



From dave at onethirtyseven.com  Wed Oct 13 03:35:46 2004
From: dave at onethirtyseven.com (David Woodward)
Date: Tue, 12 Oct 2004 22:35:46 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Slightly improved icon
In-Reply-To: <B66A9ABD-1C9F-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<B66A9ABD-1C9F-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <F7FCA7A0-1CC8-11D9-B028-000A95ABB1C4@onethirtyseven.com>

I've taken my rough draft PNGs, spiffed them up a bit and created a 
"revised" icon.  Same look, slightly different colors and little 
tweaks.  Attached is a zip file with the *.icns file in it.  That file 
has itself as an icon.

I made the little guy's blue more saturated, darkened his eyes to stand 
out more, and gave him bright red shoes and ball.  I shrank his 
antennae so he could fill out more of the icon's area.  Also made 
typewriter lighter and a cooler hue to help it recede.  Smaller icon 
sizes are tweaked to look as best they can.  Its not much of an 
improvement, but it helps it pop a little bit more on the dock.

Hope this helps.

Dave Woodward
dave at onethirtyseven.com
http://www.onethirtyseven.com
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From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 11:07:02 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:07:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Problem with UTF8 encoding
In-Reply-To: <A2CFEFCA-1D05-11D9-9965-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>
References: <A2CFEFCA-1D05-11D9-9965-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>
Message-ID: <029FDA85-1D08-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 12:50, Dominique PERETTI wrote:

> - If you reopen in TextMate, it stills appear as UTF8... BUT if you 
> reopen it in BBEdit, it opens as a MacRoman file (with accents wrong).

I don't have BBEdit, but I think BBEdit _always_ opens as MacRoman. And 
you have to manually tell it to open it with the proper encoding (at 
least that was my experience when I tried it >2 years ago, both my 
iso-8859-1 and utf-8 files were all opened as MacRoman by BBEdit)!?!

> My guess is that TextMate is right at encoding the characters, but 
> forgots to write the BOM right. I think so because I get the same 
> wrong results in FlashMX
> if I save the file as utf8-(no BOM) from BBEdit.

The BOM is optional in utf-8, and generally you _don't_ want it, since
   a) it makes no sense as there is no byte-order ambiguity,
   b) it rules the nice property of utf-8 being compatible with ascii,
   c) utf-8 encoding is really easy to recognize even without a BOM.

But if several programs only treat utf-8 properly when it has a BOM, I 
will consider adding an option -- though I would recommend against 
using it of course! ;)



Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 11:19:41 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:19:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project Drawer Keys
Message-ID: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

I don't think this made it to any of the documentation:

When the project drawer has key focus, you can press 'space' to 
activate rename, and return to open the selected file (this should 
probably be supplemented by cmd-down as in Finder).

To activate rename with the mouse, hold down option while clicking the 
item (or use the context menu).

The reason why groups cannot be double clicked to activate rename (as 
some have requested) is that I plan to do it more like Finder in the 
future, so that double clicking a group will enter that group, and make 
the project drawer only show the files contained in the group (there'll 
be a back button of course).


Kind regards Allan



From jeroen at os3.nl  Wed Oct 13 11:24:30 2004
From: jeroen at os3.nl (Jeroen van der Ham)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:24:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project Drawer Keys
In-Reply-To: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <20041013112430.GC56976@je-ju.net>

Allan Odgaard wrote at Wed, 13 Oct 2004 about [TextMate] Project Drawer Keys:
> The reason why groups cannot be double clicked to activate rename (as 
> some have requested) is that I plan to do it more like Finder in the 
> future, so that double clicking a group will enter that group, and make 
> the project drawer only show the files contained in the group (there'll 
> be a back button of course).

I have the feeling that these request will go away if you automatically go to
renaming a folder once you create new one.

Jeroen.


From jeroen at os3.nl  Wed Oct 13 11:29:47 2004
From: jeroen at os3.nl (Jeroen van der Ham)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:29:47 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax plists
Message-ID: <20041013112947.GD56976@je-ju.net>

Hi,

While creating my syntax plist for python I ran into two things:
- Is it possible to activate a syntax mode without restarting TextMate?
- Is there a syntax highlighter for plists yet ? :)
 
Jeroen.


From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 13 11:55:56 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:55:56 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax plists
In-Reply-To: <20041013112947.GD56976@je-ju.net>
References: <20041013112947.GD56976@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <D7A7DA35-1D0E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 13/10/2004, at 9:29 PM, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While creating my syntax plist for python I ran into two things:
> - Is it possible to activate a syntax mode without restarting TextMate?

no... i hit the same wall... solution for me was to have 'projects' for 
testing and working on the plist files set-up and open, so that when i 
quit and restarted, my workspace re-opened exactly as I left it... made 
it pretty pain free.

> - Is there a syntax highlighter for plists yet ? :)

hah -- are you offering :)


Justin



From peter.johansson at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 12:08:50 2004
From: peter.johansson at gmail.com (Peter Johansson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:08:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Problem with UTF8 encoding
In-Reply-To: <029FDA85-1D08-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <A2CFEFCA-1D05-11D9-9965-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>
	<029FDA85-1D08-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <108917be04101305083679a809@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:07:02 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> I don't have BBEdit, but I think BBEdit _always_ opens as MacRoman. And
> you have to manually tell it to open it with the proper encoding (at
> least that was my experience when I tried it >2 years ago, both my
> iso-8859-1 and utf-8 files were all opened as MacRoman by BBEdit)!?!

According to the BBEdit manual
(http://ftp.barebones.com/pub/manual/BBEdit_8_User_Manual.pdf) this is
the procedure it uses to determine the encoding for a file:

1 If the file is well-formed HTML or XML, BBEdit looks for an
"encoding=" or <meta
charset=> directive.
2 If the file contains a BBEdit state resource, BBEdit uses the
encoding stored in the
state resource.
3 If the file contains a UTF-8 or UTF-16 (Unicode) byte-order mark,
BBEdit opens it as
that type of Unicode file.
4 If the file has a resource that contains font information (such as a
'styl' resource) and
that resource specifies a multi-byte font, BBEdit opens the file as a
Unicode file.
5 If you are opening the file with the Open command, BBEdit uses the encoding
specified Read As pop-up menu on the Open dialog.
6 Finally, it uses the encoding specified by the "If the file's
encoding can't be guessed,
use" pop-up menu on the Text Files: Opening panel of the Preferences window.

~peter


From phil at hinkty.com  Wed Oct 13 12:10:59 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 05:10:59 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Bookmarks (was: Project file drawer)
In-Reply-To: <7DDF68E5-1CEC-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C8820009-1AF2-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<AC18CC70-1AFE-11D9-9D2B-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7028BF96-1B05-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<73D72990-1B06-11D9-BAFC-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<9F34F77E-1B09-11D9-B14D-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<B66A9ABD-1C9F-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<7DDF68E5-1CEC-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <F1C98F98-1D10-11D9-9445-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>


On Oct 13, 2004, at 12:50 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 13. Oct 2004, at 0:40, Phil Aaronson wrote:
>
>> As a follow up, I just started getting into the bookmark feature, 
>> unfortunately when I quit out those seem to get dropped on the floor 
>> as well (like the folder inclusion patterns).
>
> With regard to the folder inclusion patterns, these should _not_ be 
> dropped if you set it for the actual folder reference (as opposed to 
> one of the sub folders). I will improve this (scheduled for 1.0.3), 
> where I'll also save which sub folders were expanded etc.

Ah. A little strange that it only works on the original folder 
reference, but that got it. Thanks, its saving the patterns.

> It would help to know how you use the bookmarks. Is it a temporary fix 
> until the function popup? Could they for example be auto generated by 
> giving a regex for all lines which should be bookmarked?

So far the bookmarks I'm setting do tend to sit near function/method 
start, but only a select two or three I'm actively working on at any 
given time. The problem I've found, is if I set a bookmark too far from 
a function/method start I lose an important marker that identifies the 
context. If the the function popup was available and updated to show 
what function I was in, my bookmarks might start moving a bit further 
astray? Dunno. I guess I'd have to try it. Or maybe I should be writing 
smaller methods :)

Phil



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 13 12:16:33 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:16:33 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Coloured labels in Project Drawer
Message-ID: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>

I put a feature request for this on the wiki, but I thought it was 
probably worth shouting out here too.

It would be really great if labels applied in the Finder (you know, the 
colour-coded blob things) were shown in the Project Drawer.

I use labels to mark the most important files and folders in my web 
apps, and being able to make use of this in TM would be *fantastic*.

Cheers.

drew.


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 12:39:37 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:39:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project Drawer Keys
In-Reply-To: <20041013112430.GC56976@je-ju.net>
References: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<20041013112430.GC56976@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <F1761B8A-1D14-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 13:24, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:

> I have the feeling that these request will go away if you  
> automatically go to
> renaming a folder once you create new one.

That's the behavior in beta 3 :) Here's how to obtain it:  
http://macromates.com/blog/archives/2004/10/12/living-on-the-edge-with- 
textmate-betas/


Kind regards Allan



From johan at allard.nu  Wed Oct 13 11:48:35 2004
From: johan at allard.nu (Johan Allard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:48:35 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Project Drawer Keys
In-Reply-To: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <D0AC615C-1D0D-11D9-8310-000D93C2849E@allard.nu>


On 2004-10-13, at 21.19, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> I don't think this made it to any of the documentation:
>
> When the project drawer has key focus, you can press 'space' to 
> activate rename, and return to open the selected file (this should 
> probably be supplemented by cmd-down as in Finder).

Well, finder will activate rename if you press enter, if you want to 
continue the analogy!

//johan



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 13 13:04:37 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:04:37 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Coloured labels in Project Drawer
In-Reply-To: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
References: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <6FF842E3-1D18-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 13/10/2004, at 10:16 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> I put a feature request for this on the wiki, but I thought it was 
> probably worth shouting out here too.
>
> It would be really great if labels applied in the Finder (you know, 
> the colour-coded blob things) were shown in the Project Drawer.
>
> I use labels to mark the most important files and folders in my web 
> apps, and being able to make use of this in TM would be *fantastic*.

Agreed, labels are great.  Personally I use them for things like:

red = needs work
orange = on hold
blue = needs testing
green = complete

Especially useful on standards based redesigns, mark-up clean-ups, 
spell-checking, proofing, client approval, etc.

Have the CHOICE of seeing them and changing them via the project drawer 
would of course be great.

Allan, why don't you just put the Finder in the drawer and live without 
groupings??? :P


Justin



From johans at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 13:07:50 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:07:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax plists
In-Reply-To: <D7A7DA35-1D0E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <20041013112947.GD56976@je-ju.net>
	<D7A7DA35-1D0E-11D9-B385-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <6890597404101306073169d66c@mail.gmail.com>

I think one of the "general unix" bundles have highlighting for the
oldstyle plists. At least thats where I think I got it (the
syntaxcolouring of .plists) from..


On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:55:56 +1000, Justin French
<justin.french at indent.com.au> wrote:
> 
> On 13/10/2004, at 9:29 PM, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > While creating my syntax plist for python I ran into two things:
> > - Is it possible to activate a syntax mode without restarting TextMate?
> 
> no... i hit the same wall... solution for me was to have 'projects' for
> testing and working on the plist files set-up and open, so that when i
> quit and restarted, my workspace re-opened exactly as I left it... made
> it pretty pain free.
> 
> > - Is there a syntax highlighter for plists yet ? :)
> 
> hah -- are you offering :)
> 
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 13 13:18:41 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:18:41 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Exclude .svn in the default folder pattern?
Message-ID: <416D2B31.1070701@allinthehead.com>

As CVS is excluded by default, shouldn't we exclude .svn too?

drew.


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 13:21:23 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:21:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Exclude .svn in the default folder pattern?
In-Reply-To: <416D2B31.1070701@allinthehead.com>
References: <416D2B31.1070701@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <C712446A-1D1A-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 15:18, Drew McLellan wrote:

> As CVS is excluded by default, shouldn't we exclude .svn too?

That has been the case since beta 1 :)

Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 13 13:25:43 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 14:25:43 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Exclude .svn in the default folder pattern?
In-Reply-To: <C712446A-1D1A-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <416D2B31.1070701@allinthehead.com>
	<C712446A-1D1A-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <416D2CD7.1050101@allinthehead.com>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On 13. Oct 2004, at 15:18, Drew McLellan wrote:
> 
>> As CVS is excluded by default, shouldn't we exclude .svn too?
> 
> 
> That has been the case since beta 1 :)

In which case we may have a bug.

I had to add it to the pattern myself this morning, because those damn 
.svn folders were getting in the way :)


drew


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 14:14:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 16:14:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Exclude .svn in the default folder pattern?
In-Reply-To: <416D2CD7.1050101@allinthehead.com>
References: <416D2B31.1070701@allinthehead.com>
	<C712446A-1D1A-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<416D2CD7.1050101@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <3E72799D-1D22-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 15:25, Drew McLellan wrote:

> In which case we may have a bug.

You're using beta >= 1?

> I had to add it to the pattern myself this morning, because those damn 
> .svn folders were getting in the way :)

Was that for an existing project or a new project?

If you created a project with 1.0 then the default patterns at that 
time, would have been saved with the project. So the new default 
patterns only affect new projects.


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 13 14:25:35 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:25:35 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Exclude .svn in the default folder pattern?
In-Reply-To: <3E72799D-1D22-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <416D2B31.1070701@allinthehead.com>	<C712446A-1D1A-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>	<416D2CD7.1050101@allinthehead.com>
	<3E72799D-1D22-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <416D3ADF.9020808@allinthehead.com>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On 13. Oct 2004, at 15:25, Drew McLellan wrote:
> 
>> In which case we may have a bug.
> 
> 
> You're using beta >= 1?

I'm using beta 3 from last night.

>> I had to add it to the pattern myself this morning, because those damn 
>> .svn folders were getting in the way :)
> 
> Was that for an existing project or a new project?
> 
> If you created a project with 1.0 then the default patterns at that 
> time, would have been saved with the project. So the new default 
> patterns only affect new projects.

I'm not 100% sure which version the project was created in, but this 
seems the most likely explanation.

Thanks :)

drew.


From if at glyf.org  Wed Oct 13 15:20:29 2004
From: if at glyf.org (Philipf)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 11:20:29 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax plists
In-Reply-To: <20041013112947.GD56976@je-ju.net>
References: <20041013112947.GD56976@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <6ACA2DF4-1D2B-11D9-9E65-0003937402F2@glyf.org>

You might want to look at the existing custom bundles [1]. There are at 
least 4 user-made python bundles already available.

[1] http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/show/HomePage

On Oct 13, 2004, at 7:29 AM, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:

> Hi,
>
> While creating my syntax plist for python I ran into two things:
> - Is it possible to activate a syntax mode without restarting TextMate?
> - Is there a syntax highlighter for plists yet ? :)
>
> Jeroen.
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From nemo at mechintosh.com  Wed Oct 13 15:47:25 2004
From: nemo at mechintosh.com (M Spreij)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:47:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] folding keyboard shortcut
Message-ID: <416D4E0D.5070400@mechintosh.com>

Is the shortcut for "View -> Fold Current Block", F1, editable?
I couldn't find it in the KeyBindings.dict file.

Regards,

     Martin


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 13 16:44:38 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:44:38 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] folding keyboard shortcut
In-Reply-To: <416D4E0D.5070400@mechintosh.com>
References: <416D4E0D.5070400@mechintosh.com>
Message-ID: <2C431267-1D37-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 13. Oct 2004, at 17:47, M Spreij wrote:

> Is the shortcut for "View -> Fold Current Block", F1, editable?
> I couldn't find it in the KeyBindings.dict file.

The action method is named 'toggleFolding:', so you can make a new 
entry in the key bindings file.

Another option is System Preferences -> Keyboard & Mouse -> ... (I 
think I mention this in the Help Book ;) ).


Kind regards Allan



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Wed Oct 13 17:04:33 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 18:04:33 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] 
	Coloured background, filenames & labels in Project Drawer
In-Reply-To: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
References: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <F4232DDC-1D39-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Drew's idea of labels in the project drawer is very good and I support 
that big time. However, I would like to add the following:

User defined colour settings for the Background and filenames in the 
Project drawer.
And for the gutter and line numbers as well.

Having just realised the value of dark backgrounds in the editing 
window, then project drawer's white shine is jarring the eyes. : )
Yeah, I know, probably asking for too much here, but it would be nice. 
:)


I just tried to put in this as a feature request into the wiki features 
page, but got scrambled text as the end result. Apologies for that, I 
have rolled back the page and hope that everything is fine. What 
happened I don't know.

============

* *Project Drawer: User defined colours* _by Mats_
Having just realised the value of dark backgrounds in the editing 
window, then project drawer's white shine is jarring the eyes. It would 
be great to be able to change the background colour and filenames 
colours.
And while I'm at it, it would be great if we could change the colours 
in the gutter and line numbers as well.
Yeah, I know, probably asking for too much here, but it would be nice. 
:)

============


Kind regards,

Mats

On Oct 13, 2004, at 13:16, Drew McLellan wrote:

> I put a feature request for this on the wiki, but I thought it was 
> probably worth shouting out here too.
>
> It would be really great if labels applied in the Finder (you know, 
> the colour-coded blob things) were shown in the Project Drawer.
>
> I use labels to mark the most important files and folders in my web 
> apps, and being able to make use of this in TM would be *fantastic*.
>
> Cheers.
>
> drew.
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Wed Oct 13 18:26:30 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:26:30 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] monaco font readability
Message-ID: <6759E1F6-1D45-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>

I am not sure if I should put this in as a feature request...

There is a very very nice feature (or possibly quirk?) to the text 
library that SubEthaEdit and BBEdit are built on.  When you adjust the 
font size for Monaco down to "9" then it loses its fuzziness and 
"snaps" into pixel-perfect, fixed-width readability.  I don't know why 
this happens but TextMate doesn't do it.  If I turn font smoothing off 
for size 9 and lower, TextMate makes Monaco pixelated and crisper, but 
it does not look fixed-width (i.e. it's slightly squished together for 
some letters and not very easy to read).

I know this seems trivial, but staring at code all day is hard enough 
on the eyes as it is, yet the SubEtha/BBEdit font rendering is much 
more scannable.

Any ideas of settings adjustments I can try?

thanks, kumar



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Wed Oct 13 18:53:51 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 19:53:51 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
Message-ID: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


I am trying to make sure that HTML code inside a PHP file is correctly 
highlighted, but is unsure about how to do it.

Example:

<?php
function PrintHtml( )
{
   ?>
          <!-- HTML ONLY AREA -->
	<p>This is HTML</p>
   <?php
}
?>

I understand that the syntax is as follows, but I don't know what the 
'begin' and 'end' tags should be.

name = "Embedded HTML";   begin = "???????????"; end = "??????????????";
patterns = (
	{ include = "HTML"; }
);

If anyone can help, I'd be grateful.


Kind regards,

Mats



From vincent.isambart at laposte.net  Wed Oct 13 19:12:12 2004
From: vincent.isambart at laposte.net (Vincent Isambart)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:12:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] monaco font readability
In-Reply-To: <6759E1F6-1D45-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <6759E1F6-1D45-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <C9668C86-1D4B-11D9-814F-000A95A8DBC8@laposte.net>

Hi,

> There is a very very nice feature (or possibly quirk?) to the text 
> library that SubEthaEdit and BBEdit are built on.  When you adjust the 
> font size for Monaco down to "9" then it loses its fuzziness and 
> "snaps" into pixel-perfect, fixed-width readability.  I don't know why 
> this happens but TextMate doesn't do it.  If I turn font smoothing off 
> for size 9 and lower, TextMate makes Monaco pixelated and crisper, but 
> it does not look fixed-width (i.e. it's slightly squished together for 
> some letters and not very easy to read).
Which version of TextMate do you use? There was some changes in the 
font rendering in version 1.0.1b1 and 1.0.1b2 so if you are using 
TextMate 1.0 or 1.0.1b1, you should maybe try with the latest beta.

Vincent Isambart



From johans at gmail.com  Wed Oct 13 19:18:44 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 21:18:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] monaco font readability
In-Reply-To: <6759E1F6-1D45-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <6759E1F6-1D45-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <6890597404101312181136e891@mail.gmail.com>

My Monaco is as crisp as in any other program

you do have antialiasing in TM turned off right? (View > Anti Alias Text)

-j

On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:26:30 -0500, kumar mcmillan
<kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com> wrote:
> I am not sure if I should put this in as a feature request...
> 
> There is a very very nice feature (or possibly quirk?) to the text
> library that SubEthaEdit and BBEdit are built on.  When you adjust the
> font size for Monaco down to "9" then it loses its fuzziness and
> "snaps" into pixel-perfect, fixed-width readability.  I don't know why
> this happens but TextMate doesn't do it.  If I turn font smoothing off
> for size 9 and lower, TextMate makes Monaco pixelated and crisper, but
> it does not look fixed-width (i.e. it's slightly squished together for
> some letters and not very easy to read).
> 
> I know this seems trivial, but staring at code all day is hard enough
> on the eyes as it is, yet the SubEtha/BBEdit font rendering is much
> more scannable.
> 
> Any ideas of settings adjustments I can try?
> 
> thanks, kumar
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Johan S?rensen
Professional Futurist
www.johansorensen.com


From lucsky at mac.com  Wed Oct 13 20:15:43 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:15:43 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Wrap column problem(s)
Message-ID: <A8E9DD74-1D54-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

Yo,

I was playing with TM, trying to find some nits to pick and found the 
"View -> Wrap Column -> Other" thingy :)

The default wrap width is at 78, and I usually use 80, so I went to 
change this and selected the previously mentioned menu item. I was 
expecting some sort of dialog or sheet, but saw nothing. Worse, the 
'View' menu was still highlighted so I immediately thought that 
something wrong was happening and/or that TM was stuck or about to 
crash. When something like this happens in an application, I have this 
pavlovian habit to agitate the mouse a bit to see if the spinning pizza 
of death shows up, before I just kill the app. But this time it helped 
to see that, oooooh, something was actually hapenning IN the current 
text window: setting the wrap width is done using an "in-place 
interactive bar"...

I see three usability problems with this:

- The obvious one, which I mentioned in my (unnecessary verbose) 
introduction is that unless you already know how it works, you have no 
freakin' clue what happens after you select the "Other" menu item.

- You can't modify the wrap width when no window is open.

- And now try that in a window using one of those syntax which have the 
infamous black background, and see how far the confusion can get... :>

Sorry, I'm a natural born nitpicker ;)

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com



From richbarton at mac.com  Wed Oct 13 22:14:34 2004
From: richbarton at mac.com (Rich Barton)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:14:34 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>

On 13 Oct 2004, at 19:53, Mats Persson wrote:

> I am trying to make sure that HTML code inside a PHP file is correctly 
> highlighted, but is unsure about how to do it.

Umm, so what's wrong with the HTML-PHP syntax highlighting that ships 
with TM? Using this syntax, anything outside PHP delimiters is 
considered HTML and highlighted accordingly (albeit in grey), which is 
what you want, right?

Rich Barton



From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Wed Oct 13 22:20:31 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 17:20:31 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] monaco font readability
In-Reply-To: <6890597404101312181136e891@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6759E1F6-1D45-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
	<6890597404101312181136e891@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1848A8C7-1D66-11D9-A6B9-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>


On Oct 13, 2004, at 2:18 PM, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> My Monaco is as crisp as in any other program
>
> you do have antialiasing in TM turned off right? (View > Anti Alias 
> Text)

ahh... that was it.  Anti Alias Text was turned on.  When I turned it 
off, back to normal.
thanks,

K

>
> -j
>
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 13:26:30 -0500, kumar mcmillan
> <kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com> wrote:
>> I am not sure if I should put this in as a feature request...
>>
>> There is a very very nice feature (or possibly quirk?) to the text
>> library that SubEthaEdit and BBEdit are built on.  When you adjust the
>> font size for Monaco down to "9" then it loses its fuzziness and
>> "snaps" into pixel-perfect, fixed-width readability.  I don't know why
>> this happens but TextMate doesn't do it.  If I turn font smoothing off
>> for size 9 and lower, TextMate makes Monaco pixelated and crisper, but
>> it does not look fixed-width (i.e. it's slightly squished together for
>> some letters and not very easy to read).
>>
>> I know this seems trivial, but staring at code all day is hard enough
>> on the eyes as it is, yet the SubEtha/BBEdit font rendering is much
>> more scannable.
>>
>> Any ideas of settings adjustments I can try?
>>
>> thanks, kumar
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Johan S?rensen
> Professional Futurist
> www.johansorensen.com
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Wed Oct 13 22:36:58 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 23:36:58 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Project containing files on a remote disk - bug?
Message-ID: <644B6DD9-1D68-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

Hi,

Probably unfair to call the following a bug - as it's behaviour that 
seems correct in the context of a purely local filesystem.  However, it 
can catch you out if your Project contains references to remote files.

It went like this:

1/. Create a deeply nested Project file, consisting solely of pointers 
to files on a remote disk (mounted via SMB).
2/. Do work, close Project file.
3/. Eject the SMB drive.  Go to lunch, or whatever.
4/. Return from whatever and reopen the Project file - forgetting to 
remount the remote disk first ...
5/. Gaze in silent horror at the empty Project.

On start-up, TM silently deletes all unresolveable file references from 
the Project, leaving only the Groups that you have created.  Any 
laboriously constructed filter definitions are deleted too, of course.  
TM immediately writes the revised Project file back to disk, making 
sure that you can't recover from your mistake.

Might it be an idea to have TM pop up a warning - if it detects that a 
remote volume has disappeared?

On a machine left idle for any length of time, 'sleep'  can cause 
remote volumes to eject themselves - so I guess TM would need to check 
this periodically, and not just at start-up.

Cheers,
-- Andre



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct 13 22:43:57 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:43:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Wrap column problem(s)
In-Reply-To: <A8E9DD74-1D54-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <A8E9DD74-1D54-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <5E67D8A0-1D69-11D9-BE4D-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 13/10-2004, at 22:15, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> [...] oooooh, something was actually hapenning IN the current text 
> window: setting the wrap width is done using an "in-place interactive 
> bar"

Hehe... the exact same thing happened to me the first time .... I agree 
that it might not be the best way to do it, but can of course be an 
advantage in some situations.... maybe we could have two items:  Other 
(specify), Other (...)...   don't know what to put for ...   
"nteractive"? .. not too informative. But something like that maybe.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct 13 22:45:49 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 00:45:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A12F1D16-1D69-11D9-BE4D-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>


On 14/10-2004, at 0:14, Rich Barton wrote:

> On 13 Oct 2004, at 19:53, Mats Persson wrote:
>
>> I am trying to make sure that HTML code inside a PHP file is 
>> correctly highlighted, but is unsure about how to do it.
>
> Umm, so what's wrong with the HTML-PHP syntax highlighting that ships 
> with TM? Using this syntax, anything outside PHP delimiters is 
> considered HTML and highlighted accordingly (albeit in grey), which is 
> what you want, right?

I also think it's best to do PHP inside HTML instead of the other way 
around, since HTML isn't really imbedded into PHP but rather vice 
versa. In the future Syntax Highlight system there should be plenty of 
possibilities for highlight that changes with context (so HTML is gray 
when in PHP and vice versa) and other nifty things :-).

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Thu Oct 14 01:00:39 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 2004 15:00:39 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Coloured labels in Project Drawer
In-Reply-To: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
References: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <772320C6-1D7C-11D9-AAB8-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 13, 2004, at 2:16 AM, Drew McLellan wrote:
> I use labels to mark the most important files and folders in my web 
> apps, and being able to make use of this in TM would be *fantastic*.

DITTO



From allan at ghostgum.com  Thu Oct 14 01:39:08 2004
From: allan at ghostgum.com (allan at ghostgum.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:39:08 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] search  and replace help needed OT 
In-Reply-To: <772320C6-1D7C-11D9-AAB8-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
	<772320C6-1D7C-11D9-AAB8-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <D7397607-1D81-11D9-A76A-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>


Am having a bad hair day trying to get

Fiji
Bermuda
Guinea

from

     252:       : .fj (Fiji)
     127:       : .bm (Bermuda)
     190:       : .gn (Guinea)

Can someone suggest a search pattern to do this?

Allan (the other one)





From jarkko at jlaine.net  Thu Oct 14 05:37:04 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 08:37:04 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] search  and replace help needed OT 
In-Reply-To: <D7397607-1D81-11D9-A76A-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>
References: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
	<772320C6-1D7C-11D9-AAB8-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<D7397607-1D81-11D9-A76A-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>
Message-ID: <1458C3F9-1DA3-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

1. Move the pointer to the beginning of the file and click command-f to 
find/replace.

2. Put this in the find field: \d+:\s+:\s+\.\w+\s\((\w+)\)

3. ...and this in the replace field: $1

4. Check that Regular expression is checked

5. Click Replace all

The regexp above isn't too anal about the format of your line. You can 
finetune it if you think it could match something it shouldn't.

HTH,
Jarkko

On 14.10.2004, at 04:39, allan at ghostgum.com wrote:

>     252:       : .fj (Fiji)
>     127:       : .bm (Bermuda)
>     190:       : .gn (Guinea)
>
--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 08:42:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:42:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project containing files on a remote disk - bug?
In-Reply-To: <644B6DD9-1D68-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
References: <644B6DD9-1D68-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <075A54CF-1DBD-11D9-95C6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 0:36, Andre Posumentov wrote:

> Probably unfair to call the following a bug - as it's behaviour that 
> seems correct in the context of a purely local filesystem.  However, 
> it can catch you out if your Project contains references to remote 
> files.

When I revisit the project drawer code I'll make it so that it only 
makes missing folder references red (as it currently does with missing 
files) instead of dropping them.

Kind regards Allan



From allan at ghostgum.com  Thu Oct 14 08:45:37 2004
From: allan at ghostgum.com (allan at ghostgum.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:45:37 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] search  and replace help needed OT
In-Reply-To: <1458C3F9-1DA3-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <416D1CA1.1060306@allinthehead.com>
	<772320C6-1D7C-11D9-AAB8-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<D7397607-1D81-11D9-A76A-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>
	<1458C3F9-1DA3-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <6B52017E-1DBD-11D9-A76A-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>

On 14/10/2004, at 4:37 PM, Jarkko Laine wrote:

> The regexp above isn't too anal about the format of your line. You can 
> finetune it if you think it could match something it shouldn't.

Many thanks, it worked like a dream.

Allan



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Thu Oct 14 08:48:46 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:48:46 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros
Message-ID: <1gln70a.1dxaojc1u25ddsM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Hi Allan (and others:),

    Recording and saving macros is great, editing macros is even
greater. With commands like "pastePrevious:" and "pasteNext:" we can do
a lot of work. 
    But we have to record and edit a lot of macros to find all available
commands. So, to spare us time, will you publish the commands list?

    Thanks,

-- 
4  Jo      
3  
2
1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Thu Oct 14 09:40:21 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:40:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
Message-ID: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>

I just noticed that the coloration for "def" is a bit overeager, see
attached snapshot.  Look for "def_port".
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004
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From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Thu Oct 14 09:55:30 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 10:55:30 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Project containing files on a remote disk - bug?
In-Reply-To: <075A54CF-1DBD-11D9-95C6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <644B6DD9-1D68-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
	<075A54CF-1DBD-11D9-95C6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <2EF8E567-1DC7-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 14 Oct 2004, at 09:42, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 14. Oct 2004, at 0:36, Andre Posumentov wrote:
>
>> Probably unfair to call the following a bug - as it's behaviour that 
>> seems correct in the context of a purely local filesystem.  However, 
>> it can catch you out if your Project contains references to remote 
>> files.
>
> When I revisit the project drawer code I'll make it so that it only 
> makes missing folder references red (as it currently does with missing 
> files) instead of dropping them.

Ah!  I hadn't spotted the way TM handles missing files - all my remote 
refs have been to folders.  So a good workaround for the moment is to 
manually create the remote directory tree as a collection of Groups, 
and then drop the files into those groups.  Works perfectly - you can 
re-attach the remote volume after launching TM, and it promptly 
reinstates the missing files.

Good stuff - many thanks!

-- Andre



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 10:00:56 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:00:56 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
Message-ID: <BD940CE8.5289%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Im guessing from the other discussions floating around that there is some
way to make "smart" folders in the project drawer, most likely using regex
matches on filenames, but I am unclear exactly how to do this, perhaps
someone could enlighten me?



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From jeroen at je-ju.net  Thu Oct 14 10:00:30 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:00:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>

Ollivier Robert wrote:
> I just noticed that the coloration for "def" is a bit overeager, see
> attached snapshot.  Look for "def_port".

This is not just def in Ruby. It's all highlighting based on keywords.
Keywords preceeded by characters works okay, but keywords followed by 
anything is still highlighted (if there is no other highlighting active).

IMO keywords should only be highlighted if they are not followed by 
alphanumeric characters or '_'.

Jeroen.


From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Thu Oct 14 10:20:13 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:20:13 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
In-Reply-To: <BD940CE8.5289%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD940CE8.5289%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <A300E23E-1DCA-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 14 Oct 2004, at 11:00, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> Im guessing from the other discussions floating around that there is 
> some
> way to make "smart" folders in the project drawer, most likely using 
> regex
> matches on filenames, but I am unclear exactly how to do this, perhaps
> someone could enlighten me?

Drag folder to Project drawer.  Select folder and click on the 'info' 
button
in the bottom right corner of the drawer.

Regards,
  -- Andre



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Thu Oct 14 10:25:21 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:25:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <20041014102521.GA7658@tara.freenix.org>

According to Jeroen:
> This is not just def in Ruby. It's all highlighting based on keywords.
> Keywords preceeded by characters works okay, but keywords followed by 

OK.

> IMO keywords should only be highlighted if they are not followed by 
> alphanumeric characters or '_'.

Could be language dependent but something close to that yes.

While I'm in the Ruby mode, folding works only for def..end pairs, not
class..end, module..end or if..then..else..end.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Thu Oct 14 10:38:15 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:38:15 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
In-Reply-To: <A300E23E-1DCA-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <1glncas.1twibyfqeqdhtM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Andre Posumentov <andre at alpdesignworks.com> wrote:

> Drag folder to Project drawer.  Select folder and click on the 'info'
> button in the bottom right corner of the drawer.

    Is there a simple pattern to include ".htaccess" files but not other
hidden files?

    Thanks,
-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Thu Oct 14 10:49:52 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:49:52 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Hierarchical snippets?
In-Reply-To: <BD940CE8.5289%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD940CE8.5289%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C6DF757E-1DCE-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

Hi,

Apologies if this has already been discussed elsewhere in the list.  I 
couldn't find any references.

Just wanted to ask whether there are any plans to make the Snippets 
menu hierarchical at some future time?

If you make heavy use of snippets, and jump around between different 
languages, the current flat structure feels slightly clumsy.

If you're programming in C++, you're unlikely to want to see PHP 
snippets at the same time, for example..  And a long flat menu with all 
your snippets displayed makes for tedious scrolling.

Perhaps the ability to have the snippets that are displayed at the top 
level of the menu linked to the syntax highlighting currently being 
used?  That might be nice - particularly if the plan is to enable 
"highlighting that changes with context", for people writing in PHP, 
WebWare, Quixote, etc, with a mixture of scripting language and HTML in 
the same file.

Cheers,
-- Andre



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Thu Oct 14 10:40:59 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:40:59 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Hi Rich & Sune,

> Umm, so what's wrong with the HTML-PHP syntax highlighting that ships 
> with TM? Using this syntax, anything outside PHP delimiters is 
> considered HTML and highlighted accordingly (albeit in grey), which is 
> what you want, right?

Perhaps I didn't make myself clear enough, so let's use some images to 
save me a 1000 words. ; )

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What I would like is something along the lines of BBEdit & skEdit's and 
their dual highlighting capabilities. In other words, when we are in a 
.php file and exit php with ?> and then start having HTML code in 
there, then the HTML code highlighting should work just as IF we were 
using a .html file. And vice versa.

As it is right now, I have a choice of highlighting for HTML or for 
PHP, BUT NOT both at the same time.


All my settings and the results thereof:

My HTML syntax file is in a bundle called mxHTML and the syntax file is 
named mxHTML.plist and it is a copy of this file:

	BASIC HTML DICTIONARY FOR TEXTMATE
	==================================
	Version 1.0 (Sune Foldager, Justin French, Allan Odgaard)

with the following changes (apart from colour settings):

	name = "mxHTML";

	/*
	* embedded languages -- [SNIP]
	*/
	{ 	name = "Embedded PHP"; 		
		begin = "<\\?(php|=)?";
		end = "\\?>";
		patterns = (
				{ include = "mxPHP"; }
				);
	},


My PHP syntax file is in a bundle called mxPHP and the syntax file is 
named mxPHP.plist and its a copy of Jason Spahr's Smarty PHP bundle.

with the following changes:

	name = "mxPHP";

	{ 	name = "Embedded HTML";
		begin = "\\?>";
		end = "<\\?(php|=)?";
		patterns = (
				{ include = "mxHTML"; }
				);
	},



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Apologies for the length and size of this email, but I hope this will 
have clarified my position and aid in solving this problem.

IF I am asking for the impossible, then Allan & gang has some more work 
to do, else I am doing something wrong, and someone smarter than me 
will hopefully point me in the right direction. : )


Kind regards,

Mats

From richbarton at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 10:49:03 2004
From: richbarton at mac.com (Rich Barton)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 11:49:03 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>

On 14 Oct 2004, at 11:00, Jeroen wrote:

> Ollivier Robert wrote:
>> I just noticed that the coloration for "def" is a bit overeager, see
>> attached snapshot.  Look for "def_port".
>
> This is not just def in Ruby. It's all highlighting based on keywords.
> Keywords preceeded by characters works okay, but keywords followed by 
> anything is still highlighted (if there is no other highlighting 
> active).

I've just done a few tests (in beta 3), and it seems this problem 
*only* affects the 'def' keyword. I think the cause of this is the 
following lines in the syntax definition file:

		{ name = "Method With Arguments"; match = 
"^\\s*(def)\\s*([.a-zA-Z_?!]+)\\s*\\((.*)\\)";
			"foregroundColor[1]" = "#CC7833";
			"fontStyle[3]" = ( italic );
		},

		{ name = "Method Without Arguments"; match = 
"^\\s*(def)\\s*([.a-zA-Z_?!]+)";
			"foregroundColor[1]" = "#CC7833";
		},

I think the "\\s*" in the match option should be "\\s+" after "def" (or 
the \< and \> anchors should be used), as there should always be 
whitespace after def, right?

> IMO keywords should only be highlighted if they are not followed by 
> alphanumeric characters or '_'.

This seems to be the existing behaviour to me.

Rich  Barton



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 11:07:18 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:07:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 12:40, Mats Persson wrote:

> What I would like is something along the lines of BBEdit & skEdit's and
> their dual highlighting capabilities. In other words, when we are in a
> .php file and exit php with ?> and then start having HTML code in
> there, then the HTML code highlighting should work just as IF we were
> using a .html file. And vice versa.
>
> As it is right now, I have a choice of highlighting for HTML or for
> PHP, BUT NOT both at the same time.

No, the "HTML (PHP)" does do this. But the colors of HTML is toned down 
significantly.

> with the following changes:
>
> 	name = "mxPHP";
>
> 	{ 	name = "Embedded HTML";
> 		begin = "\\?>";
> 		end = "<\\?(php|=)?";
> 		patterns = (
> 				{ include = "mxHTML"; }
> 				);
> 	},

But as Sune said, HTML is not embedded in the file. HTML _is_ the file.

So either make the mxHTML include mxPHP or do a "wrapper" for both like 
this:

    name = "mxHTML + PHP";
    ...
    patterns = (

       { name = "Embedded PHP"; begin = "<\\?(php|=)?"; end = "\\?>";
         patterns = ( { include = "mxPHP"; } );
       },

       { include = "mxHTML"; }

    );

This will use the mxPHP patterhs for everything inside the PHP tags, 
and for the rest, it'll use the mxHTML patterns.

I didn't test this, but it I think it should work. However, the wrapper 
is sort of redundant, unless you want to re-use the mxHTML patterns 
without the PHP inclusion.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 11:09:03 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:09:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
	<AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <74E02459-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Rich Barton wrote:

> I think the "\\s*" in the match option should be "\\s+" after "def" 
> (or the \< and \> anchors should be used), as there should always be 
> whitespace after def, right?

At least I've added the \> anchor for beta 4 (probably out tonight).



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 11:11:23 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:11:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
In-Reply-To: <1glncas.1twibyfqeqdhtM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glncas.1twibyfqeqdhtM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <C8DCF0B2-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 12:38, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     Is there a simple pattern to include ".htaccess" files but not 
> other
> hidden files?

This is the default pattern I use in the current beta:
    ^.*/(\.htaccess|(?!\.)[^/]*)$


Kind regards Allan



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Thu Oct 14 11:12:10 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 12:12:10 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
In-Reply-To: <1glncas.1twibyfqeqdhtM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glncas.1twibyfqeqdhtM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <E4E07B8C-1DD1-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 14 Oct 2004, at 11:38, Jos? Campos wrote:

> Andre Posumentov <andre at alpdesignworks.com> wrote:
>
>> Drag folder to Project drawer.  Select folder and click on the 'info'
>> button in the bottom right corner of the drawer.
>
>     Is there a simple pattern to include ".htaccess" files but not 
> other
> hidden files?

Doesn't the default in 1.0.1b3 do that ?

File Pattern:    ^.*/(\.htaccess|(?!\.)[^/]*)$

-- Andre



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 11:13:33 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:13:33 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Hierarchical snippets?
In-Reply-To: <C6DF757E-1DCE-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
References: <BD940CE8.5289%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<C6DF757E-1DCE-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <15D12B1A-1DD2-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Andre Posumentov wrote:

> Just wanted to ask whether there are any plans to make the Snippets 
> menu hierarchical at some future time?

Yes! :) While I haven't settled on the exact details, it will improve!


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 11:16:09 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:16:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros
In-Reply-To: <1gln70a.1dxaojc1u25ddsM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1gln70a.1dxaojc1u25ddsM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <7345346C-1DD2-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 10:48, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     But we have to record and edit a lot of macros to find all 
> available
> commands. So, to spare us time, will you publish the commands list?

hehe... but officially I condemn all who manually edit their macros! ;)

Why is this easier than recording your macros?


Kind regards Allan



From johnl at johnlabovitz.com  Thu Oct 14 11:19:48 2004
From: johnl at johnlabovitz.com (John Labovitz)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 04:19:48 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <20041014102521.GA7658@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
	<20041014102521.GA7658@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <F5A4FC08-1DD2-11D9-A9A6-000D93B1F9FA@johnlabovitz.com>

On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:25 AM, Ollivier Robert wrote:
> While I'm in the Ruby mode, folding works only for def..end pairs, not
> class..end, module..end or if..then..else..end.

This is easy to fix, if you want to edit your .plist file.  I copied 
the stock Ruby bundle and modified Ruby.tmbundle/Syntaxes/Ruby.plist so 
that the "foldingStartMarker" key has the following value:

	^\s*(class|module|def)\>

That makes class & module be foldable.  I didn't add it for "if" and 
the rest; actually, it looks like you could use most of the regexp in 
"increaseIndentPattern" for the folding markers.

--
John Labovitz Consulting, LLC
http://mac.johnlabovitz.com
johnl at johnlabovitz.com
AIM/iChat: jslabovitz
+1 503.949.3492



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Thu Oct 14 11:39:53 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:39:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Project Drawer Keys
In-Reply-To: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C6D7086D-1D09-11D9-80B7-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <f888a1904101404393a379b6b@mail.gmail.com>

> When the project drawer has key focus, you can press 'space' to
> activate rename, and return to open the selected file (this should
> probably be supplemented by cmd-down as in Finder).

pressing space once - activates rename;
pressing once more replaces filename with a single space.

I realized using space for rename is a bad idea while recovering 
the a filename lost this way...

using enter is a much better idea! 

hp.


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Thu Oct 14 11:52:40 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:52:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros
In-Reply-To: <7345346C-1DD2-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glnfgu.4h6sgmqwcaqhM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> hehe... but officially I condemn all who manually edit their macros! ;)

    life|death sentence?
> 
> Why is this easier than recording your macros?

    When I have recorded and saved a macro that works fine, and need a
new one, slighty different, I think it's quicker to edit the first one
than recording a new one.

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Thu Oct 14 11:52:39 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:52:39 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
In-Reply-To: <C8DCF0B2-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glnf6p.1631l361wgqwzdM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> On 14. Oct 2004, at 12:38, Jos? Campos wrote:
> 
> >     Is there a simple pattern to include ".htaccess" files but not 
> > other
> > hidden files?
> 
> This is the default pattern I use in the current beta:
>     ^.*/(\.htaccess|(?!\.)[^/]*)$

    OK, it works fine! But it did not, since all my "site" projects were
done with earlier versions of TM. Any way to force update the content of
the project when it is open again?

    Thanks,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From jeroen at je-ju.net  Thu Oct 14 11:54:58 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 13:54:58 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
	<AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
Message-ID: <416E6912.40706@je-ju.net>

Rich Barton wrote:
> On 14 Oct 2004, at 11:00, Jeroen wrote:
>> This is not just def in Ruby. It's all highlighting based on keywords.
>> Keywords preceeded by characters works okay, but keywords followed by 
>> anything is still highlighted (if there is no other highlighting active).
> 
> 
> I've just done a few tests (in beta 3), and it seems this problem *only* 
> affects the 'def' keyword. I think the cause of this is the following 
> lines in the syntax definition file:

My bad.
I used my own Python syntax highlight file and there I forgot to add \> 
after the special keyword identifiers....

Continuing in this direction: It seems to me that things that are defined 
as 'keywords' ought to have a default \< and \> around them. (I must say 
that I'm not really a big fan of the plists file for syntax highlighting, 
they don't really work intuitively and the extra \ for each \ in a regexp 
really doesn't help either.)

Jeroen.


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 12:00:18 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:00:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <F5A4FC08-1DD2-11D9-A9A6-000D93B1F9FA@johnlabovitz.com>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>
	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
	<20041014102521.GA7658@tara.freenix.org>
	<F5A4FC08-1DD2-11D9-A9A6-000D93B1F9FA@johnlabovitz.com>
Message-ID: <9E05E096-1DD8-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 13:19, John Labovitz wrote:

> This is easy to fix, if you want to edit your .plist file.  I copied 
> the stock Ruby bundle and modified Ruby.tmbundle/Syntaxes/Ruby.plist 
> so that the "foldingStartMarker" key has the following value:
>
> 	^\s*(class|module|def)\>

You may want it to be (showing double escapes here):

    ^\\s*(class|module|def)\\>(?!.*\\<end\\>)";

The (?!...) part is a negative look-ahead assertion and means, that the 
keywords shouldn't be followed by the pattern (which here is just 
.*end). So for example a line that has: "def method ... end" will not 
appear as a fold start marker.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 12:03:09 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:03:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <416E6912.40706@je-ju.net>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>
	<AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<416E6912.40706@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <04267E27-1DD9-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 13:54, Jeroen wrote:

> I must say that I'm not really a big fan of the plists file for syntax 
> highlighting, they don't really work intuitively and the extra \ for 
> each \ in a regexp really doesn't help either.

The extra \ can be avoided if you use e.g. Apple's property list editor.

As for intuitive, what do you suggest instead?


Kind regards Allan



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Thu Oct 14 12:15:26 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:15:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Smart folder in project?
In-Reply-To: <1glnf6p.1631l361wgqwzdM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <1glnguq.2v6nz7dtga2eM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Jos? Campos <jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com> wrote:

>  Any way to force update the content of the project when it is open again?

    OK, my question was stupid. Copy/Paste are my friends ;-)

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Thu Oct 14 12:55:40 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:55:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby syntax coloring glitch
In-Reply-To: <04267E27-1DD9-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <20041014094021.GA7179@tara.freenix.org>	<416E4E3E.5010503@je-ju.net>	<AA3103C0-1DCE-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>	<416E6912.40706@je-ju.net>
	<04267E27-1DD9-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <416E774C.6060000@je-ju.net>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On 14. Oct 2004, at 13:54, Jeroen wrote:
> 
>> I must say that I'm not really a big fan of the plists file for syntax 
>> highlighting, they don't really work intuitively and the extra \ for 
>> each \ in a regexp really doesn't help either.
> 
> The extra \ can be avoided if you use e.g. Apple's property list editor.

I'll try that.

> As for intuitive, what do you suggest instead?

My grievance is that currently everybody is reinventing the wheel, e.g. 
with the \< and \> around keywords and which things should be in a syntax 
highlight file.
It would be nice if there's a template available which has the most common 
things in a highlight file and with reasonable default values for them.
I'll try to look into that this weekend or something.

Jeroen.


From lucsky at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 13:49:04 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:49:04 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros
In-Reply-To: <1glnfgu.4h6sgmqwcaqhM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glnfgu.4h6sgmqwcaqhM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <D00D2623-1DE7-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

On 14 oct. 2004, at 13:52, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     When I have recorded and saved a macro that works fine, and need a
> new one, slighty different, I think it's quicker to edit the first one
> than recording a new one.

Not to mention fixing potentially inefficient macros, have a look at 
the "Insert ISO Date" one, in the Defaults bundle. Yuck !!

In my opinion, macros should be implemented through AppleScript 
recording/playing anyway, instead of this ObjectiveC selectors list 
hack. Don't you think ? :)

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 15:07:13 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:07:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros
In-Reply-To: <D00D2623-1DE7-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <1glnfgu.4h6sgmqwcaqhM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<D00D2623-1DE7-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <BAB65AFC-1DF2-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 15:49, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> Not to mention fixing potentially inefficient macros, have a look at 
> the "Insert ISO Date" one, in the Defaults bundle. Yuck !!

If you're doing that, I'd say you have too much free time! ;)

> In my opinion, macros should be implemented through AppleScript 
> recording/playing anyway, instead of this ObjectiveC selectors list 
> hack. Don't you think ? :)

So why is this a hack? actually, internally many of the things are 
_not_ ObjectiveC methods, I just expose my functionality as named 
selectors, so that it also works with key bindings etc.  Why not re-use 
that functionality?

But down the road there will of course be AS support, and it'll be 
recordable. But Rome wasn't build in one day, and I think it's much 
better to have recordable macros in first version, than non-recordable 
AS.

Wasn't the reason for "text factories" in BBEdit 8 actually that AS 
simply was too complex for most users? ;)


Kind regards Allan



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Thu Oct 14 16:37:52 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 17:37:52 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Allan,

Thank you for your help !!!  Very much appreciated.

>> As it is right now, I have a choice of highlighting for HTML or for 
>> PHP, BUT NOT both at the same time.
>
> No, the "HTML (PHP)" does do this. But the colors of HTML is toned 
> down significantly.

Ahh, the perils of editing syntax files without understanding things 
fully.  I made a colour change to the "HTML (PHP)" syntax file and 
stored it in the AppSupport directory, so it overrode your file, and in 
doing so it created plain black text on white background. : (

I have now spent a good few hours tweaking my colours and have HTML 
with PHP; with CSS; with JS highlighting working just as I want it.

Although time consuming, it has been a very good process to go through, 
and I have learnt a lot about the syntax structure. As a result, I am 
very impressed by the inherent power in the syntax format.


My only concern now - as I have migrated to a dark background - is that 
the cursor is invisible over the edit window. Perhaps something that 
you are already aware of and working on. (Or perhaps is remedied by 
some to me unknown setting).

Kind regards,

Mats



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 17:33:13 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:33:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <1FD147E8-1E07-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 18:37, Mats Persson wrote:

> My only concern now - as I have migrated to a dark background - is 
> that the cursor is invisible over the edit window. Perhaps something 
> that you are already aware of and working on. (Or perhaps is remedied 
> by some to me unknown setting).

Yes, Justin just sent me a few I-beam cursors that I hope will make it 
to beta 4 (which should be out later today (and it's 19:30 currently)).


Kind regards Allan



From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct 14 18:35:38 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:35:38 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <D813F264-1E0F-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Mats,

If you got the HTML/PHP syntax highlighting working like you explained, 
could you make the .tmbundle file available? I can't stand the light 
HTML with bright PHP etc.

-Noel

On Oct 14, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Mats Persson wrote:

>
> Allan,
>
> Thank you for your help !!!  Very much appreciated.
>
>>> As it is right now, I have a choice of highlighting for HTML or for 
>>> PHP, BUT NOT both at the same time.
>>
>> No, the "HTML (PHP)" does do this. But the colors of HTML is toned 
>> down significantly.
>
> Ahh, the perils of editing syntax files without understanding things 
> fully.  I made a colour change to the "HTML (PHP)" syntax file and 
> stored it in the AppSupport directory, so it overrode your file, and 
> in doing so it created plain black text on white background. : (
>
> I have now spent a good few hours tweaking my colours and have HTML 
> with PHP; with CSS; with JS highlighting working just as I want it.
>
> Although time consuming, it has been a very good process to go 
> through, and I have learnt a lot about the syntax structure. As a 
> result, I am very impressed by the inherent power in the syntax 
> format.
>
>
> My only concern now - as I have migrated to a dark background - is 
> that the cursor is invisible over the edit window. Perhaps something 
> that you are already aware of and working on. (Or perhaps is remedied 
> by some to me unknown setting).
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Mats
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>

----------------------
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http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct 14 18:42:02 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 14:42:02 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Modifier Keys with Snippets
In-Reply-To: <D813F264-1E0F-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<D813F264-1E0F-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <BD46BBC0-1E10-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

I would like snippets to be able to be activated by a modifier key...

For example say I've got a snippet like this... <h1>${1:`echo 
$TM_SELECTED_TEXT`}</h1>$0

I'd like to be able to assign ??1 to this snippet. Instead of the 
h1[tab], which wouldn't allow me to use the snippet to it's full 
ability.
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From jarkko at jlaine.net  Thu Oct 14 18:58:03 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:58:03 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Modifier Keys with Snippets
In-Reply-To: <BD46BBC0-1E10-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
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Message-ID: <F9E480C3-1E12-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

Noel,

You can always record a macro that invokes your snippet and bind a key 
to invoke the macro. Yeah, it's a bit more work but not much. I wrote 
an example on how to use snippets and macros effectively together 
(http://jlaine.net/blog/10/textmate-goodie-1) and I remember someone 
had already earlier done something similar for HTML tags.

//jarkko

On 14.10.2004, at 21:42, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> I would like snippets to be able to be activated by a modifier key...
>
> For example say I've got a snippet like this... <h1>${1:`echo 
> $TM_SELECTED_TEXT`}</h1>$0
>
> I'd like to be able to assign ??1 to this snippet. Instead of the 
> h1[tab], which wouldn't allow me to use the snippet to it's full 
> ability._______________________________________________
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>
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From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 19:00:12 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:00:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Modifier Keys with Snippets
In-Reply-To: <BD46BBC0-1E10-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
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Message-ID: <470A9BE6-1E13-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 20:42, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> I would like snippets to be able to be activated by a modifier key...

Yeah, I figured I should do this for no other reason than just for 
completeness sake ;)

I'll do it whenever I find a free moment!



Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 19:13:16 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:13:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Moderator] Don't use 'reply' for new letters
Message-ID: <1A27A81D-1E15-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

It would be preferred if people would write a new letter to this list, 
rather than reply to an old one, when the content is new -- I know it 
requires one to fill in the To-header, but when replying to an old 
letter, it screws up the threading.


Kind regards Allan



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Thu Oct 14 19:17:11 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:17:11 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] [Moderator] Don't use 'reply' for new letters
In-Reply-To: <1A27A81D-1E15-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1A27A81D-1E15-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <A5EC0B3D-1E15-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


AMEN !!

On Oct 14, 2004, at 20:13, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> It would be preferred if people would write a new letter to this list, 
> rather than reply to an old one, when the content is new -- I know it 
> requires one to fill in the To-header, but when replying to an old 
> letter, it screws up the threading.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>

Kind regards,

Mats



From profprof at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 19:21:52 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 15:21:52 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
Message-ID: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

Just a proposal regarding the snippets. 

It would be most useful if the snippets were only active when their respective mode is active. This way, the same trigger could be used for various modes and applications. 

For example, the trigger "table" being already used for html, it cannot be currently used for Latex. However, if the triggers were tied to a mode, we could use the same trigger, simplifying our lifes.

Greetings,

Normand Mousseau


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Thu Oct 14 19:22:05 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:22:05 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax Question: Including HTML in PHP syntax
In-Reply-To: <D813F264-1E0F-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<D813F264-1E0F-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <551F16FE-1E16-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>



> Mats,
>
> If you got the HTML/PHP syntax highlighting working like you 
> explained, could you make the .tmbundle file available? I can't stand 
> the light HTML with bright PHP etc.
>
> -Noel

Sure will do. Let me clear up some of the remaining issues with 
JavaScript colouring which I'm not too happy with.

Will write a test case file tomorrow that will contain all the various 
parts - completely embedded within each other - so that a single 
screenshot can show all the colours used.

Noel,
If you wish to help with it, please have a go at the bundle sent 
OFF-List to you.

Anyone else, please be patient for a few days, and I will make them 
available on the wiki.  (Them = Dark & White versions )


Kind regards,

Mats

-- -- -- -- --
"For those who aren't familiar with OS X, it is a full implementation 
of BSD Unix with a Macintosh front end, which is to say world class 
inside and out. OS X is faster, smarter, prettier, and easier to use 
than any version of Windows."
by Robert X. Cringley, Feb, 2002 [ http://www.pbs.org/cringely/ ]




From richbarton at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 19:31:15 2004
From: richbarton at mac.com (Rich Barton)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 20:31:15 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
Message-ID: <9CFD35A6-1E17-11D9-87DA-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>

On 14 Oct 2004, at 20:21, profprof at mac.com wrote:

> Just a proposal regarding the snippets.
>
> It would be most useful if the snippets were only active when their 
> respective mode is active. This way, the same trigger could be used 
> for various modes and applications.

Wow, I was just about to post the exact same suggestion on the wiki. 
I'll still post it there anyway, assuming you haven't beaten me to it 
:-)

> For example, the trigger "table" being already used for html, it 
> cannot be currently used for Latex. However, if the triggers were tied 
> to a mode, we could use the same trigger, simplifying our lifes.

I was thinking of 'if'; just about every language supports some kind of 
'if' statement, so there's huge potential for clashes there, and with 
just about every other control structure, in fact.

Rich Barton



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 14 19:44:31 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:44:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
Message-ID: <776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 14. Oct 2004, at 21:21, profprof at mac.com wrote:

> It would be most useful if the snippets were only active when their 
> respective mode is active. This way, the same trigger could be used 
> for various modes and applications.

The problem with this is that you wouldn't be able to have general 
snippets, and it would require you to set a "belongs to" for each 
snippet.

I'm not completely rejecting the idea (since I definitely do not think 
the current solution is ideal).

What I would however propose is, that when multiple snippets match, it 
will use the snippet from the same bundle as the current syntax rules 
-- if there is none, a menu will show.

This should allow for general snippets, and in most cases will solve 
the ambiguity.

There's still one problem though, for example we have a HTML bundle 
which may contain some HTML snippets, but the PHP bundle has a _new_ 
HTML syntax file, so HTML (PHP) would _not_ treat snippets from the 
HTML bundle with higher priority than any other snippets.

Though this would probably be solved when I do style sheets, since the 
PHP bundle would then not define the HTML syntax (again), but only 
create a new style sheet for the existing HTML syntax.

How does that sound?

Kind regards Allan



From lucsky at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 20:26:37 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:26:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Editing macros
In-Reply-To: <BAB65AFC-1DF2-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1glnfgu.4h6sgmqwcaqhM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<D00D2623-1DE7-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<BAB65AFC-1DF2-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <592E75F2-1E1F-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

On 14 oct. 2004, at 17:07, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> If you're doing that, I'd say you have too much free time! ;)

Doing what ? Trying to fix potentially inefficient macros or looking at 
their guts in the first place ? :)

I'm still tinkering with a bundle editor, so yeah, I have looked at 
these pretty closely ;)

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com



From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Thu Oct 14 20:45:42 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 22:45:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <03F87A47-1E22-11D9-B160-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>


Op 14-okt-04 om 21:44 heeft Allan Odgaard het volgende geschreven:

> On 14. Oct 2004, at 21:21, profprof at mac.com wrote:
>
>> It would be most useful if the snippets were only active when their 
>> respective mode is active. This way, the same trigger could be used 
>> for various modes and applications.
>
> The problem with this is that you wouldn't be able to have general 
> snippets, and it would require you to set a "belongs to" for each 
> snippet.
>
> I'm not completely rejecting the idea (since I definitely do not think 
> the current solution is ideal).
>
> What I would however propose is, that when multiple snippets match, it 
> will use the snippet from the same bundle as the current syntax rules 
> -- if there is none, a menu will show.
>
> This should allow for general snippets, and in most cases will solve 
> the ambiguity.
>
> There's still one problem though, for example we have a HTML bundle 
> which may contain some HTML snippets, but the PHP bundle has a _new_ 
> HTML syntax file, so HTML (PHP) would _not_ treat snippets from the 
> HTML bundle with higher priority than any other snippets.
>
> Though this would probably be solved when I do style sheets, since the 
> PHP bundle would then not define the HTML syntax (again), but only 
> create a new style sheet for the existing HTML syntax.
>
> How does that sound?
>

Sounds good, if you could also do it for commands and macros :-)



From profprof at mac.com  Thu Oct 14 20:59:27 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 16:59:27 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <03F87A47-1E22-11D9-B160-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<03F87A47-1E22-11D9-B160-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Message-ID: <4047281.1097787567517.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

 
On Thursday, October 14, 2004, at 04:45PM, Jan Sabbe <jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:

>
>Op 14-okt-04 om 21:44 heeft Allan Odgaard het volgende geschreven:
>
>> On 14. Oct 2004, at 21:21, profprof at mac.com wrote:
>>
>>> It would be most useful if the snippets were only active when their 
>>> respective mode is active. This way, the same trigger could be used 
>>> for various modes and applications.
>>
>> The problem with this is that you wouldn't be able to have general 
>> snippets, and it would require you to set a "belongs to" for each 
>> snippet.
>>
>> I'm not completely rejecting the idea (since I definitely do not think 
>> the current solution is ideal).
>>
>> What I would however propose is, that when multiple snippets match, it 
>> will use the snippet from the same bundle as the current syntax rules 
>> -- if there is none, a menu will show.
>>
>> This should allow for general snippets, and in most cases will solve 
>> the ambiguity.
>>
>> There's still one problem though, for example we have a HTML bundle 
>> which may contain some HTML snippets, but the PHP bundle has a _new_ 
>> HTML syntax file, so HTML (PHP) would _not_ treat snippets from the 
>> HTML bundle with higher priority than any other snippets.
>>
>> Though this would probably be solved when I do style sheets, since the 
>> PHP bundle would then not define the HTML syntax (again), but only 
>> create a new style sheet for the existing HTML syntax.
>>
>> How does that sound?
>>

This sounds like an elegant solution. It would give much more flexibility to the system. As was suggested by somebody on the Wiki page, this could be combined with a classification.

So, if in Latex, I want to generate a table, I type:

      table[tab]

If I wanted to include an HTML snippet in Latex mode, then I might type:

     html:table[tab]

If the command is not found in Latex, and only in another mode, then it is found without having to specify the type.

Normand Mousseau





From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct 14 22:05:56 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:05:56 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Modifier Keys with Snippets
In-Reply-To: <470A9BE6-1E13-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <391B064C-1D49-11D9-B2B5-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<43894403-1D65-11D9-99A1-000A95CA2CD0@mac.com>
	<893BF170-1DCD-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<366DA426-1DD1-11D9-A83E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<6477DE56-1DFF-11D9-B987-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<D813F264-1E0F-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<BD46BBC0-1E10-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<470A9BE6-1E13-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <39329DC6-1E2D-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Awesome!

On Oct 14, 2004, at 3:00 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 14. Oct 2004, at 20:42, Noel D.Jackson wrote:
>
>> I would like snippets to be able to be activated by a modifier key...
>
> Yeah, I figured I should do this for no other reason than just for 
> completeness sake ;)
>
> I'll do it whenever I find a free moment!
>
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct 14 22:08:15 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 18:08:15 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Snippet Palette
In-Reply-To: <776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <8C37B08D-1E2D-11D9-9768-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Something, that I would like is a palette with buttons, grouped by 
bundle, which you can click on to perform the snippet. Similar to the 
BBEdit palette. I know, I know, I should really get over it, but it 
would be helpful, especially if you've got a crap load of snippets.

-Noel



From mummer at whitefalls.org  Fri Oct 15 00:57:15 2004
From: mummer at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:57:15 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Perl Module Extension
Message-ID: <27DE7140-1E45-11D9-BDEB-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

Need to add the .pm extension into the plist for perl modules. (Same 
goes for the authors of the two perl syntax bundles)



From if at glyf.org  Fri Oct 15 01:47:35 2004
From: if at glyf.org (Philipf)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 21:47:35 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Gutter and folding
Message-ID: <2FB726E1-1E4C-11D9-8D24-0003937402F2@glyf.org>

Hello,

I've noticed that disabling Gutter -> Folding also disables the folding 
functionality, and there is no way to turn it back on. I think these to 
should be controlled separately. For me the small three-dots icon is 
sufficient for folding control.

In any case that's a bit counterintuitive. Gutter submenu is supposed 
to control the gutter only and not the general behavior.

---
Philipf



From erichsu at math.sfsu.edu  Fri Oct 15 02:45:33 2004
From: erichsu at math.sfsu.edu (Eric Hsu)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:45:33 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Perl Module Extension
In-Reply-To: <20041015014744.3ECAB1246@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041015014744.3ECAB1246@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <p06110440bd94e5987182@[10.0.1.7]>

>Need to add the .pm extension into the plist for perl modules. (Same
>goes for the authors of the two perl syntax bundles)

Good point. Updated, along with "Send to Affrus" command and "Perldoc 
Search" command, where you highlight a word and get a window of 
perldoc -f information.

<http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu/textmate>

- Eric
-- 
Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics
San Francisco State University
erichsu at math.sfsu.edu
http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu


From erichsu at math.sfsu.edu  Fri Oct 15 02:53:10 2004
From: erichsu at math.sfsu.edu (Eric Hsu)
Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2004 19:53:10 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] LaTeX Bundle merge
In-Reply-To: <20041015014744.3ECAB1246@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041015014744.3ECAB1246@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <p06110441bd94ea508c9b@[10.0.1.7]>

I hope Gaetan Le Guelvouit, Andrew Ellis and Normand Mousseau are on 
the list, as they are the primary contributors to the LaTeX bundle. 
(I am a minor contributor.)

Can somebody volunteer to merge all the changes into the One True LaTeX Bundle?

Fixes to Do

1. I think GLG's fork missed some of Ellis's contributions, including 
his heretical Send to iTeXMac;

2. the last bundle posted by NM broke my Open in TexShop command

open -a TexShop "$TM_FILEPATH"

Note the path has to be quoted or it will break on systems with 
spaces in their path;

3. $ \Pi $ and \( \Pi \) are highlighted differently. That seems wrong.

It's pretty cool that people are contributing in this way!  If we can 
coordinate a little bit, it will be even more powerful.


- Eric

ps. Why don't I just merge the thing? I'm going on the road for a week...
-- 
Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics
San Francisco State University
erichsu at math.sfsu.edu
http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu


From robbevan at xpt.co.uk  Fri Oct 15 06:27:31 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.co.uk (Rob Bevan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:27:31 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Non-supported files
Message-ID: <4B701718-1E73-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>

Whilst preventing TextMate from opening non-supported files is welcome 
(change in b4):

> TextMate will only open files from the project drawer if their 
> extension is found in the Info.plist, or if they have no extension 
> (hidden files like .htaccess are considered to have no extension).

This now prevents me from running commands on the file selected in the 
project drawer, as $TM_FILEPATH is the frontmost _open_ file. (I have a 
'Test Movie in Flash' command as part of my ActionScript bundle, now 
broken, to be run on .fla files in my project). Any chance you could 
add another variable, e.g. $TM_SELECTEDFILE or something, so we can 
access these?

Also, why not allow these non-supported files to be opened by the 
Finder when double-clicking them? And having a Open with Finder command 
as well as a Reveal in Finder command?



From robbevan at xpt.co.uk  Fri Oct 15 06:35:09 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.co.uk (Rob Bevan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 07:35:09 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Info.plist
Message-ID: <5BEB3EC4-1E74-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>

> TextMate will only open files from the project drawer if their 
> extension is found in the Info.plist, or if they have no extension 
> (hidden files like .htaccess are considered to have no extension).

Can you add 'as' for ActionScript to the default list of supported file 
types in Info.plist? Thanks.



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 08:21:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:21:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Non-supported files
In-Reply-To: <4B701718-1E73-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
References: <4B701718-1E73-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <431B96E5-1E83-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 8:27, Rob Bevan wrote:

> This now prevents me from running commands on the file selected in the 
> project drawer, as $TM_FILEPATH is the frontmost _open_ file. (I have 
> a 'Test Movie in Flash' command as part of my ActionScript bundle, now 
> broken, to be run on .fla files in my project). Any chance you could 
> add another variable, e.g. $TM_SELECTEDFILE or something, so we can 
> access these?

Yes, I wanted to have included this in b4 (since I know of your usage 
;) ) but I wasn't entirely sure how to best do it.

There can be several selected files, so it would be TM_SELECTED_FILES, 
but should that be an "array" or a ; separated list? and if it's a 
list, should I escape spaces etc.?

That said, I think there will be both TM_SELECTED_FILES and 
TM_SELECTED_FILE, where the latter is just the first selected file, 
since most of the time, that's what you want to use, and having to 
"parse" a ;-delimited list to get the first filename will probably 
quickly turn boring...

> Also, why not allow these non-supported files to be opened by the 
> Finder when double-clicking them? And having a Open with Finder 
> command as well as a Reveal in Finder command?

Ah, I can add that. Also, there should be an "force open as ascii".


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 08:23:14 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:23:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Info.plist
In-Reply-To: <5BEB3EC4-1E74-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
References: <5BEB3EC4-1E74-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
Message-ID: <7559EDFD-1E83-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 8:35, Rob Bevan wrote:

> Can you add 'as' for ActionScript to the default list of supported 
> file types in Info.plist? Thanks.

Sure, I'll also add 'pm' as another poster requested.

Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 08:24:50 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:24:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Gutter and folding
In-Reply-To: <2FB726E1-1E4C-11D9-8D24-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
References: <2FB726E1-1E4C-11D9-8D24-0003937402F2@glyf.org>
Message-ID: <AE962FDE-1E83-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 3:47, Philipf wrote:

> In any case that's a bit counterintuitive. Gutter submenu is supposed 
> to control the gutter only and not the general behavior.

I'm not to happy with the current placement either. it'll be fixed down 
the road, and I'll be sure to make it possible to disable visual 
folding markers, but still have the functionality! ;)


Kind regards Allan



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 08:36:55 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:36:55 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips in drawer
Message-ID: <BD954AB7.529E%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Im sure others have noticed this but Im finding the tooltips in the drawer a
real pain in the arse, they appear when I don't want them to, cover stuff up
and wont go away when I point at something new in the list. I know Allan
mentioned that the individual items arent individually "hitable" but I think
this needs some improvement.



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From robbevan at xpt.co.uk  Fri Oct 15 08:40:40 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.co.uk (Rob Bevan)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 09:40:40 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Non-supported files
In-Reply-To: <431B96E5-1E83-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4B701718-1E73-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>
	<431B96E5-1E83-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <E4D529BC-1E85-11D9-A6D2-003065A89FD6@xpt.co.uk>

On Oct 15, 2004, at 9:21 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> That said, I think there will be both TM_SELECTED_FILES and 
> TM_SELECTED_FILE, where the latter is just the first selected file, 
> since most of the time, that's what you want to use, and having to 
> "parse" a ;-delimited list to get the first filename will probably 
> quickly turn boring...

This sounds like a good solution.



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Fri Oct 15 08:44:51 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 18:44:51 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Tooltips in drawer
In-Reply-To: <BD954AB7.529E%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD954AB7.529E%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7A673139-1E86-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 15/10/2004, at 6:36 PM, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> Im sure others have noticed this but Im finding the tooltips in the 
> drawer a
> real pain in the arse, they appear when I don't want them to, cover 
> stuff up
> and wont go away when I point at something new in the list. I know 
> Allan
> mentioned that the individual items arent individually "hitable" but I 
> think
> this needs some improvement.

They're gone in 1.0.1b4 :)

Justin



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 09:56:23 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 10:56:23 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] The find window
Message-ID: <BD955D57.52A9%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Im a big fan of BBEdit (or at least I used to be), one of the things I liked
was the option to search for "Whole words only" in the find dialog, now I
know I could do this with a bit of regex, but it would be nice to have that
option as a simple checkbox. What would also be very cool is for TextMate to
remember previous searches you have done (like the Google field in Safari)
so you can retrieve those painstakingly written regex search and replace
strings!



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From jarkko at jlaine.net  Fri Oct 15 10:28:31 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:28:31 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Handling file extensions
Message-ID: <F5D575EA-1E94-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>

I installed Lars Pind's OpenACS bundle 
(http://pinds.com/blog/one-entry?entry%5fid=20990) and started playing 
around with it a bit. I noticed that for some reason TM can't open the 
files (with extensions adp, tcl and xql) from the project drawer. With 
normal open command they opened nicely.

I fixed this by adding the extensions to Info.plist file in TextMate 
application folder, but I fear it gets replaced when upgrading. 
Besides, I guess there's (or should be) a way a bundle developer could 
add file extensions TextMate (with a given bundle) can handle. Any 
pointers on how to obtain this?

TIA,
Jarkko


--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 10:55:17 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:55:17 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Handling file extensions
In-Reply-To: <F5D575EA-1E94-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <F5D575EA-1E94-11D9-952F-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <B37B573A-1E98-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 12:28, Jarkko Laine wrote:

> I fixed this by adding the extensions to Info.plist file in TextMate 
> application folder, but I fear it gets replaced when upgrading.

Well, I added them to the master copy as well! ;)

> Besides, I guess there's (or should be) a way a bundle developer could 
> add file extensions TextMate (with a given bundle) can handle. Any 
> pointers on how to obtain this?

Yes, some way for the user/bundle developer to educate TM about known 
good text file extensions would be a nice addition!

I guess for the next version I can let it additionally check the 
extensions given in the various syntax files.  Additionally I can put a 
?Treat File as Text|Binary? in the per file context menu (in the 
project drawer), and the user will then be able to change the status of 
a file (and TM will remember it).


Kind regards Allan



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 11:07:27 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:07:27 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
Message-ID: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

I have noticed that the latest beta cannot open actionscript files with a
.as extension in a project, this is because .as is missing from the
Info.plist list of recognised extensions - oops!





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From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 11:29:26 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:29:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 13:07, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> I have noticed that the latest beta cannot open actionscript files 
> with a
> .as extension in a project, this is because .as is missing from the
> Info.plist list of recognised extensions - oops!

Already reported and added in beta 5 (or 1.0.1, whatever comes first ;) 
).

For now you can add it to your Info.plist in your local copy, and it'll 
work.


Kind regards Allan, who is anxiously awaiting the next registration, 
which will trigger the G5 order! :)



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Fri Oct 15 11:49:57 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:49:57 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <561CAC5E-1EA0-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 15 Oct 2004, at 12:29, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
> Kind regards Allan, who is anxiously awaiting the next registration, 
> which will trigger the G5 order! :)

Done!

-- Andre



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Fri Oct 15 11:53:01 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 12:53:01 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <4047281.1097787567517.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<03F87A47-1E22-11D9-B160-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<4047281.1097787567517.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C3B3C7D8-1EA0-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


On Oct 14, 2004, at 21:59, profprof at mac.com wrote:

> This sounds like an elegant solution. It would give much more 
> flexibility to the system. As was suggested by somebody on the Wiki 
> page, this could be combined with a classification.

I believe the above mentioned suggestion was made by me, so I should 
comment on it further.


> So, if in Latex, I want to generate a table, I type:
>
>       table[tab]
>
> If I wanted to include an HTML snippet in Latex mode, then I might 
> type:
>
>      html:table[tab]
>
> If the command is not found in Latex, and only in another mode, then 
> it is found without having to specify the type.

Ideally the 'joiner' character between  "html" and "table[tab]"  in the 
above examples should be a single key stroke, rather than the ' : ' 
which is a two-key keystroke. Although looking through the keyboard I 
don't find many good candidates.


The way I see things, perhaps wrongly so, is that each user can create 
their default bundle that contains all the common language syntax files 
that they use on a regular basis.

In my case these would primarily be: HTML, PHP, CSS and JavaScript

So in the Snippets folder - and Snippets editor window - there would 
ideally be a sub-directory/grouping called:
HTML => for html based snippets
PHP  => for PHP related snippets
CSS => for CSS related snippets
JS => for JavaScript related snippets


Since the HTML syntax file is the host file - that embeds the other 
language syntaxes - this would be the default syntax for a .html file, 
and TM would (hopefully) know what mode we are currently in where the 
cursor is, and therefore by typing:

	table[tab]

while in HTML mode would collect the "table" snippet from the HTML 
directory/grouping, even though we may have a snippet by that name in 
each of our sub-dirs/groupings.

IF we for some reason would wish to override the default action, then 
we can type:

PHP:table[tab]   or  <groupingID>:< snippetName>


My ideal scenario would be to have a structure something like the 
following:

Snippets/
	/HTML/
		/div/
			header	=	basic HTML snippets
			footer
			sidebar

	/PHP/
		/div/
			header	=	basic HTML & PHP snippets
			footer
			sidebar

If we had the above we would type:

	php:div:header	to collect the header snippet in the div grouping in 
the php grouping.


Why would I want to have it like this ??  Well, I have found that 
developing web sites I use similar snippets of code but with varied 
elements inside, so by having the ability of having multiple snippets 
in sub-groups we can have a snippet group for each type of project we 
are working on. In one project we may use a simple header div with just 
a simple logo text in there, whereas in another project we might have a 
lot more information in there.


Just my 2 pence worth : )


Kind regards,

Mats



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Fri Oct 15 12:05:26 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:05:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <561CAC5E-1EA0-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
References: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<561CAC5E-1EA0-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <20041015120526.GA19185@tara.freenix.org>

According to Andre Posumentov:
> >Kind regards Allan, who is anxiously awaiting the next registration, 
> >which will trigger the G5 order! :)
> 
> Done!

What's the current number of registered users BTW?
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Fri Oct 15 12:20:47 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:20:47 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <20041015120526.GA19185@tara.freenix.org>
References: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<561CAC5E-1EA0-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
	<20041015120526.GA19185@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <A4F2F64E-1EA4-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

On 15 Oct 2004, at 13:05, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> According to Andre Posumentov:
>>> Kind regards Allan, who is anxiously awaiting the next registration,
>>> which will trigger the G5 order! :)
>>
>> Done!
>
> What's the current number of registered users BTW?

My reg. no is 167.  Thought it would be higher ..



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Fri Oct 15 12:28:33 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:28:33 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [REGEX] move to Uppercase/Lowercase
Message-ID: <1glpbqz.zoag53sg90fxM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi All,

    The whole question is in the title ;-) : What is the syntax to be
used in Find/Replace dialog to move text to Upper- or Lower- case? there
was such a feature in BBEdit, but could not find it in TextMate.

    Find : <.+?>
    Replace : lowercase($0) 

    Thanks,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 12:39:18 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:39:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [REGEX] move to Uppercase/Lowercase
In-Reply-To: <1glpbqz.zoag53sg90fxM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glpbqz.zoag53sg90fxM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <3B5842E6-1EA7-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 14:28, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     The whole question is in the title ;-) : What is the syntax to be
> used in Find/Replace dialog to move text to Upper- or Lower- case? 
> there
> was such a feature in BBEdit, but could not find it in TextMate.

Currently there is no such feature, but I can of course add it.

What are the suggestions for syntax?


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 12:44:14 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:44:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <A4F2F64E-1EA4-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
References: <BD956DFF.52AE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<561CAC5E-1EA0-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
	<20041015120526.GA19185@tara.freenix.org>
	<A4F2F64E-1EA4-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <EB769A6C-1EA7-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 14:20, Andre Posumentov wrote:

>> What's the current number of registered users BTW?
> My reg. no is 167.  Thought it would be higher ..

Yes, and 13 were freebies. But I'm looking forward to when the time-out 
starts to kick in ;) my initial goal was 200 licenses sold the first 
month, so my expectations have been met so far.

And thanks a lot for providing the registration which tipped the scale, 
and of course also thanks to the other ~150 people! unfortunately there 
is a 3-5 weeks waiting period on my G5 :\ but at least now it's a sure 
thing! :)


Kind regards Allan



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Fri Oct 15 12:48:44 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:48:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [REGEX] move to Uppercase/Lowercase
In-Reply-To: <3B5842E6-1EA7-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1glpbqz.zoag53sg90fxM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<3B5842E6-1EA7-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <20041015124844.GA19319@tara.freenix.org>

According to Allan Odgaard:
> What are the suggestions for syntax?

I'd suggest do ing it the Perl way:

           \l          lowercase next char (think vi)
           \u          uppercase next char (think vi)
           \L          lowercase till \E (think vi)
           \U          uppercase till \E (think vi)
           \E          end case modification (think vi)                         

Find: <(BODY|TABLE)>
Replace: <\L$1\E>

will lowercase all BODY/TABLE words inside <>.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Fri Oct 15 12:50:27 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:50:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [REGEX] move to Uppercase/Lowercase
In-Reply-To: <3B5842E6-1EA7-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glpcvb.15nbb1zizdmcjM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> Currently there is no such feature, but I can of course add it.
    It would be great!
> 
> What are the suggestions for syntax?

    \u$n : uppercase all characters in $n
    \U$n : Uppercase first character in $n
    \l$n : lowercase all characters in $n
    \L$n : Lowercase first character in $n

    Unless someone has a better idea. The most important is that the
features are well-documented!

    Have a nice day,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Fri Oct 15 12:57:36 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:57:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <78CF4DEA-1E9D-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glpdi5.1t3edtl2tz7wzM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> Allan, who is anxiously awaiting the next registration, 
> which will trigger the G5 order! :)

With all these features we ask you to add, will we have to pay for a
second license? After all a nice 30" screen would perfectly fit your G5
;-)


-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From nemo at mechintosh.com  Fri Oct 15 13:09:02 2004
From: nemo at mechintosh.com (M Spreij)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:09:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <1glpdi5.1t3edtl2tz7wzM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glpdi5.1t3edtl2tz7wzM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <416FCBEE.6010001@mechintosh.com>

Jos? Campos wrote:
> Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> 
>>Allan, who is anxiously awaiting the next registration, 
>>which will trigger the G5 order! :)
> 
> 
> With all these features we ask you to add, will we have to pay for a
> second license? After all a nice 30" screen would perfectly fit your G5
> ;-)

Related, as much as I like 95% of them, will all these additional 
features not start slowing TM down? Or will there be a way to 
en/dis-able them as needed at launchtime, with a textmate.conf file or so?

Regards,

     Martin


From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Fri Oct 15 13:20:49 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:20:49 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <C3B3C7D8-1EA0-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<03F87A47-1E22-11D9-B160-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<4047281.1097787567517.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<C3B3C7D8-1EA0-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <082A265F-1EAD-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

On 15 Oct 2004, at 12:53, Mats Persson wrote:

> On Oct 14, 2004, at 21:59, profprof at mac.com wrote:
>
> I believe the above mentioned suggestion was made by me, so I should 
> comment on it further.

Similar to yourself - I find myself editing  Javascript, wrapped in 
HTML, wrapped in Python.  This seems like a good solution ..

> Ideally the 'joiner' character between  "html" and "table[tab]"  in 
> the above examples should be a single key stroke, rather than the ' : 
> ' which is a two-key keystroke. Although looking through the keyboard 
> I don't find many good candidates.

Is there any reason not to use '/'  as a delimiter ?

>
> The way I see things, perhaps wrongly so, is that each user can create 
> their default bundle that contains all the common language syntax 
> files that they use on a regular basis.
>
> ... snip 8<---- ...

> If we had the above we would type:
>
> 	php:div:header	to collect the header snippet in the div grouping in 
> the php grouping.
>

Would it be possible to use an incremental match - to keep the number 
of keypresses required to a minimum?  So that you just need to type 
enough of each groupingID / snippet name for it to be a unique match.

-- Andre



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 13:34:22 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:34:22 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Problem opening .as files
In-Reply-To: <416FCBEE.6010001@mechintosh.com>
References: <1glpdi5.1t3edtl2tz7wzM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<416FCBEE.6010001@mechintosh.com>
Message-ID: <EC376CDF-1EAE-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 15:09, M Spreij wrote:

>> With all these features we ask you to add, will we have to pay for a
>> second license? After all a nice 30" screen would perfectly fit your 
>> G5
>> ;-)

I should probably setup a ?$100 per feature?-service ;)

> Related, as much as I like 95% of them, will all these additional 
> features not start slowing TM down? Or will there be a way to 
> en/dis-able them as needed at launchtime, with a textmate.conf file or 
> so?

If anything, TextMate will be _faster_ over the next versions! :)

I'm only adding features which I think makes sense, in a way that makes 
sense, and in a way which shouldn't affect the running time -- the only 
problem is the code base size, which affects startup time. It's 
currently at 24 KLOC, but I think I can actually decrease it a bit over 
time, I'm waiting with refactoring till I get my G5, since it's a pain 
with my current machine, due to the compile times.

So the goal of TextMate is and always will be to be a small fast and 
flexible general purpose text editor, so don't worry about bloat! ;)


Kind regards Allan



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 13:39:15 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 14:39:15 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror typing bug
Message-ID: <BD959193.52BC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Allan,

I've found a bug with mirror typing in that I seem to be able to get stuck
in mirror typing mode. It seems related to how many tab completions there
are, if I tab all the way through them and then press tab one more time then
mirror typing is cancelled, but if I ignore one of them then the file in
question gets stuck with mirror typing on and some very odd things happen
(like multiple copies of whatever text Im typing appearing on the same
line). Once in this weird mode the line upon which the mirror typing was
initially active seems to remain in this mode, other lines in the same file
are fine, hitting tab again seems to kill it off.

I reckon there are a couple of possible solutions to this seeing as how it
is difficult to tell when the user wants to abandon mirror mode and return
to normal, you could use a key press to cancel the mode, like escape for
example, and you could supplement that with some form of user feedback about
which mode you are in, an icon in the status bar or something would be
useful, or I guess you could just improve your rules for automatically
figuring out which mode the user is in.

Anyway, just thought you should know, keep up the good work, the betas are
looking great!


Chris Jenkins



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From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 15:54:25 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 17:54:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror typing bug
In-Reply-To: <BD959193.52BC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD959193.52BC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <7D3DEE81-1EC2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 15:39, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> I've found a bug with mirror typing in that I seem to be able to get 
> stuck
> in mirror typing mode. It seems related to how many tab completions 
> there
> are, if I tab all the way through them and then press tab one more 
> time then
> mirror typing is cancelled, but if I ignore one of them then the file 
> in
> question gets stuck with mirror typing on [...]

Yes, the snippet editing is active until you have completed the tab 
chain.

Justin has bugged me about it throughout the last couple of weeks ;)

It's really a feature, but I'll change it so that it drops the 
snippet-typing if you move the caret outside any of the placeholders 
(as with column typing).

And yes, visual feedback is also a scheduled improvement :)

Until it's ?fixed?, just press tab when it happens!


Kind regards Allan



From profprof at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 17:36:07 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 13:36:07 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] LaTeX Bundle merge
In-Reply-To: <p06110441bd94ea508c9b@[10.0.1.7]>
References: <20041015014744.3ECAB1246@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110441bd94ea508c9b@[10.0.1.7]>
Message-ID: <3096795.1097861767918.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

 
On Friday, October 15, 2004, at 01:25AM, Eric Hsu <erichsu at math.sfsu.edu> wrote:

>I hope Gaetan Le Guelvouit, Andrew Ellis and Normand Mousseau are on 
>the list, as they are the primary contributors to the LaTeX bundle. 
>(I am a minor contributor.)
>
>Can somebody volunteer to merge all the changes into the One True LaTeX Bundle?
>
>Fixes to Do
>
>1. I think GLG's fork missed some of Ellis's contributions, including 
>his heretical Send to iTeXMac;
>
>2. the last bundle posted by NM broke my Open in TexShop command
>
>open -a TexShop "$TM_FILEPATH"
>
>Note the path has to be quoted or it will break on systems with 
>spaces in their path;
>
>3. $ \Pi $ and \( \Pi \) are highlighted differently. That seems wrong.
>
>It's pretty cool that people are contributing in this way!  If we can 
>coordinate a little bit, it will be even more powerful.


I have corrected point two and have modified the snippets to make use of the changes in the latest beta version. However, I am not familiar enough with the plists to merge the changes into one LaTeX Bundle.  Maybe Gaetan or Andrew can do it ?

Normand Mousseau


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Fri Oct 15 18:53:08 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:53:08 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
Message-ID: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


OK, I might be opening my mouth and removing all doubts about my 
stupidity here, but I can't think of a solution to this problem, so 
here goes..

I have a project in the following location:  [  
/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/  ]

In my template I use Custom Shell variables to auto-enter the relevant 
info.

The "TM_FILEPATH" returns: [  
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php  ]

*but* I would prefer to have:  [  /projectName/index.php  ]

in other words remove [ /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites ] from the 
TM_FILEPATH  or alternatively create a new shell variable with this 
info only.

I guess that I would use some form of 'grep' and remove the bits that I 
don't want, but I can't work out how.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Kind regards,

Mats



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 19:44:20 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:44:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 20:53, Mats Persson wrote:

> I have a project in the following location:  [  
> /Users/mats/Sites/projectName/  ]
>
> In my template I use Custom Shell variables to auto-enter the relevant 
> info.

Template, as in file template?

> The "TM_FILEPATH" returns: [  
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php  ]

So TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/FILEPATH would probably also have the 
/Volumes/WorkDisk-prefix?

> *but* I would prefer to have:  [  /projectName/index.php  ]

I.e. _including_ the last path of the project location?

> in other words remove [ /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites ] from the 
> TM_FILEPATH  or alternatively create a new shell variable with this 
> info only.

You probably want to use 'sed' which can do single-line 
regex-substitutions, e.g. if I enter and select these three lines in 
TextMate:

echo $TM_FILEPATH
echo $TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY
echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed "s|^$TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/\(.*\)\$|\1|"

And press control-r, they return:

/tmp/myProject/untitled.txt
/tmp/myProject
untitled.txt

So the first two are just the variables, the third is the TM_FILEPATH 
but w/o the TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY-prefix [1]

But in your case, you'd preferred it to be 'myProject/untitled.txt' ?

> I guess that I would use some form of 'grep' and remove the bits that 
> I don't want, but I can't work out how.

sed is probably what you want, but feel free to ask any followup 
questions (but provide as much context as possible).


Kind regards Allan

[1] before beta 5 I didn't run the project file/directory through 
stringByStandardizingPath, so e.g. /tmp would be /private/tmp etc.



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Fri Oct 15 20:25:44 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:25:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Templates] customize
Message-ID: <1glpxfr.15jeiw5wpjp47M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi,

    We can, in a project, create a new file using a template. We can of
course customize/create new template(s), but as they are located in the
application packet, we have to re-do the job every time the application
is upgraded (every night in fact:). 
    Could we have customized templates stored in :
~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/Bundles/Custom.tmbundles,
side-by-side with Macros and Snippets?

    Or could we save "template" files "as stationery"

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 20:35:09 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:35:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Templates] customize
In-Reply-To: <1glpxfr.15jeiw5wpjp47M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glpxfr.15jeiw5wpjp47M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <B4BB970A-1EE9-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 15. Oct 2004, at 22:25, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     Could we have customized templates stored in :
> ~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/Bundles/Custom.tmbundles,
> side-by-side with Macros and Snippets?

Yes, you can already do that (and you should ;) ).

You can also, if e.g. you wish to change the default HTML templates, 
create a new directory:
    ~/Library/Application 
Support/TextMate/Bundles/HTML.tmbundles/Templates

And these will overshadow the default HTML templates (but the default 
HTML macros, snippets, commands, etc. are still available).


Kind regards Allan



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Fri Oct 15 20:47:59 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:47:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Templates] customize
In-Reply-To: <B4BB970A-1EE9-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glpza8.1j1kwv411s37rcM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> And these will overshadow the default HTML templates (but the default
> HTML macros, snippets, commands, etc. are still available).

    OK, I'll try this,

    Thanks a lot,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From lucsky at mac.com  Fri Oct 15 20:43:06 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 22:43:06 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Found a cool replacement icon
Message-ID: <D1296C56-1EEA-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

Yo,

I have found a cool replacement icon for my TextMate while browsing 
through my icon collection, check it out:

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I like it not only because it looks pretty cool, bet also because it 
contains the elements of TextMate spirit: text (the pen) and automation 
(the LEDs). It's part of the "World of Aqua 4" pack from the geniuses 
at IconFactory.

You can also find the following one in the "World of Aqua 3" pack, but 
it's looking more obvious and boring I think ;)

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-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com

From cryo at diku.dk  Fri Oct 15 22:57:14 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 00:57:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature - managing the snippets
In-Reply-To: <082A265F-1EAD-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
References: <16047792.1097781712650.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<776753FE-1E19-11D9-8B86-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<03F87A47-1E22-11D9-B160-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<4047281.1097787567517.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
	<C3B3C7D8-1EA0-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<082A265F-1EAD-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <8E4EB0ED-1EFD-11D9-8C01-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 15/10-2004, at 15:20, Andre Posumentov wrote:

> Would it be possible to use an incremental match - to keep the number 
> of keypresses required to a minimum?  So that you just need to type 
> enough of each groupingID / snippet name for it to be a unique match.

This could, however, lead to problems when you really want to type 
something followed by a tab, if all kinds of prefixes to snippet 
triggers are considered as well.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Fri Oct 15 23:00:05 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:00:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Quoting...
Message-ID: <F449E673-1EFD-11D9-8C01-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

I know this could be a point of much controversy, but I encourage 
people to avoid "top quoting" i.e. having a long quote of sometimes the 
entire email you want to comment on, and then putting comments 
underneath.

I don't like "bottom quoting" much either, although it does have the 
advantage that you don't have to scroll a few pages to read the mail... 
ideally, snip out relevant parts and quote on those. It's probasbly not 
difficult for most people to go back to the mail being refered to and 
check, if further depth is needed.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 23:09:08 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:09:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Quoting...
In-Reply-To: <F449E673-1EFD-11D9-8C01-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <F449E673-1EFD-11D9-8C01-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <37D7B3EC-1EFF-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 1:00, Sune Foldager wrote:

> I know this could be a point of much controversy, but I encourage 
> people to avoid "top quoting" i.e. having a long quote of sometimes 
> the entire email you want to comment on, and then putting comments 
> underneath.

A: Top posting
B: What is the most irritating thing on Usenet?



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 15 23:15:41 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:15:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Beta 5 with anchors (drag commands)
Message-ID: <223C6856-1F00-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

I just did a beta 5 build, this has preliminary support for the 
discussed drag commands (although the GUI editor didn't make it to beta 
5).

I'm thinking about calling them "Anchors", any objections?

I unfortunately broke reformatting in beta 4 (and didn't make a fix in 
beta 5), the problem is that paragraph selection in soft wrap was 
changed, so it won't find the paragraph automatically (if soft wrap is 
enabled). Either select it manually or disable soft wrap (cmd-option-w) 
temporarily.  Slightly related is also that when at the begin/end of a 
paragraph, selecting the paragraph selects too much.


Kind regards Allan



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Sat Oct 16 00:18:21 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 01:18:21 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <E2E02D34-1F08-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 15 Oct 2004, at 19:53, Mats Persson wrote:

> *but* I would prefer to have:  [  /projectName/index.php  ]
>
> in other words remove [ /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites ] from the 
> TM_FILEPATH  or alternatively create a new shell variable with this 
> info only.

This any good? :

echo -n \\; basename `dirname $TM_FILEPATH`\\`basename $TM_FILEPATH`

-- Andre




From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Sat Oct 16 02:03:15 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:03:15 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Beta 5 with anchors (drag commands)
In-Reply-To: <223C6856-1F00-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <223C6856-1F00-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <8A5F62E8-1F17-11D9-A876-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>

> I just did a beta 5 build, this has preliminary support for the 
> discussed drag commands (although the GUI editor didn't make it to 
> beta 5).

I requested, you did, I buy!

Thank You!!!

Eric Curtis

PS. Thank you for all the progress in the last week and for your 
willingness to listen to the many inputs you have been receiving. I 
hope you guys are moving close to getting that new G5, really a selfish 
motive as I want more and faster updates now ; )



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 16 05:27:28 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 07:27:28 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change [Type/Creator] in Save as... dialog
Message-ID: <1glqmni.porpqq3e7pteM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi All,

    (Is there|Will there be) an option in TM  "Save as..." dialog box to
set document's creator? 
    i.e. when we edit an old BBEdit *.txt file, change encoding and line
ends through the "Save as..." dialog box, we also could change creator
to "TxMt" (or choose any application in a scrolling menu)
    (in fact, as what happens in BBEdit "Save..." menu)

    Have a nice day,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 16 06:47:02 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 08:47:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [Templates] customize
In-Reply-To: <B4BB970A-1EE9-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glqqx6.i88pmii25ukM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> You can also, if e.g. you wish to change the default HTML templates, 
> create a new directory:
>     ~/Library/Application 
> Support/TextMate/Bundles/HTML.tmbundles/Templates
> 
> And these will overshadow the default HTML templates (but the default
> HTML macros, snippets, commands, etc. are still available).

    Great! It works very fine indeed, and combined with the new "Drag
Anchors" in last night ?5, it's really a pleasure to create Web pages
;-)

    Have a nice week-end,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From raena at raena.net  Sat Oct 16 11:41:54 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 22:41:54 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] Beta 5 with anchors (drag commands)
In-Reply-To: <8A5F62E8-1F17-11D9-A876-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
References: <223C6856-1F00-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<8A5F62E8-1F17-11D9-A876-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>
Message-ID: <60DC9ED4-1F68-11D9-A30A-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

On 16 Oct 2004, at 1:03 pm, Eric Curtis wrote:

>> I just did a beta 5 build, this has preliminary support for the 
>> discussed drag commands (although the GUI editor didn't make it to 
>> beta 5).
>
> I requested, you did, I buy!
>
> Thank You!!!

Thankyou, thankyou, thankyou, thankyou! :)

-Raena



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sat Oct 16 12:05:23 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:05:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] path in file shell variables
Message-ID: <41710E83.9030103@je-ju.net>

Hi,

Could the path in the file shell variables (e.g. TM_SELECTED_FILE) be 
surrounded by "" if necessary? Currently it doesn't work if there are 
spaces in the path.

Jeroen.


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sat Oct 16 12:44:36 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:44:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
Message-ID: <417117B4.5000304@je-ju.net>

Hi,

I'm having a bit of a trouble to match a '.' which is part of a string 
surrounded by " ".
I've tried: (?=\".*)\.(?=.*\".*$), but this doesn't seem to work.

Can anyone please help out?

Regards, Jeroen.


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Sat Oct 16 12:56:19 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 13:56:19 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Thanks for your reply Allan. Very much appreciated. Answers below.


On Oct 15, 2004, at 20:44, Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On 15. Oct 2004, at 20:53, Mats Persson wrote:
>
>> I have a project in the following location:  [  
>> /Users/mats/Sites/projectName/  ]
>> In my template I use Custom Shell variables to auto-enter the 
>> relevant info.
> Template, as in file template?

Yes, as in a file template inside my own .tmbundle in AppSupport/TM/ 
dir. (Basically it's a copy of the "PHP Script" template in the default 
PHP.tmbundle in the TM app folder.


>> The "TM_FILEPATH" returns: [  
>> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php  ]
> So TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/FILEPATH would probably also have the 
> /Volumes/WorkDisk-prefix?

Yes, but TM_PROJECT points to the location where I have stored the TM 
.tmproj file, rather than to where the project - in my mind at least - 
is.


>> *but* I would prefer to have:  [  /projectName/index.php  ]
> I.e. _including_ the last path of the project location?

Yes, IF I understand your question correctly. What I want and assumed 
to be the case is that the top directory in the Project Drawer is the 
TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY, but it's not really is it ?  Bit confused about 
what refers to what here and there.


>> in other words remove [ /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites ] from the 
>> TM_FILEPATH  or alternatively create a new shell variable with this 
>> info only.
>
> You probably want to use 'sed' which can do single-line 
> regex-substitutions, e.g. if I enter and select these three lines in 
> TextMate:
>
> echo $TM_FILEPATH
> echo $TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY
> echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed "s|^$TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/\(.*\)\$|\1|"
>
> And press control-r, they return:
>
> /tmp/myProject/untitled.txt
> /tmp/myProject
> untitled.txt
>
> So the first two are just the variables, the third is the TM_FILEPATH 
> but w/o the TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY-prefix [1]


Using the above outputs the following:

echo $TM_FILEPATH
echo $TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY
echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed "s|^$TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/\(.*\)\$|\1|"
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/TextMateProjects
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php

echo $TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY
echo $TM_PROJECT_FILEPATH
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/TextMateProjects
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/TextMateProjects/projectName.tmproj


> But in your case, you'd preferred it to be 'myProject/untitled.txt' ?

Yes, however with the help of your suggestion and a bit of own brain 
activity - a rare but appreciated event - I created a work around for 
my system that works by using a custom shell variable that contains the 
path to the Sites directory.

echo $TM_SITES_DIRECTORY
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites

which then makes the following return exactly what I want

echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed "s|^$TM_SITES_DIRECTORY\(.*\)\$|\1|"
/projectName/index.php


So thanks to your help I have worked out/around the problem. THANK YOU 
!!


IMPORTANT:	Possible BUG ??

In the template I use ${TM_FILEPATH} and when I create a new template 
TM_FILEPATH takes the value of the currently selected Tab in the Tab 
bar. In other words. If I have "/tmp/index.php" as the active file in 
the main editor window, and then creates a new file that I name 
"newfile.php" the TM_FILEPATH output in the new file from the template 
is "/tmp/index.php" instead "/tmp/newfile.php" as it should be in my 
mind.



>> I guess that I would use some form of 'grep' and remove the bits that 
>> I don't want, but I can't work out how.
> sed is probably what you want, but feel free to ask any followup 
> questions (but provide as much context as possible).

I really have to learn all the hidden shell stuff that's available in 
OS X now, as it can do much of great interest.

Do you have any recommendations about good resources for learning that 
stuff, books or online ? How did you grasp it all ?



Kind regards,

Mats



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 16 12:59:22 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:59:22 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <417117B4.5000304@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <1glr7vl.f8a9j81yaglsaM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Jeroen <jeroen at je-ju.net> wrote:

> Hi,

    Hi
> 
> I'm having a bit of a trouble to match a '.' which is part of a string
> surrounded by " ".
> I've tried: (?=\".*)\.(?=.*\".*$), but this doesn't seem to work.
> 
> Can anyone please help out?

       Find : "(.*)?\.(.*)?"
    Replace : first name: $1 ; second name: $2

    will change : 
        "jo.bar" 
    to : 
        first name: jo ; second name: bar

 But imho, there must be even easier way to do it,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sat Oct 16 13:05:16 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:05:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <1glr7vl.f8a9j81yaglsaM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glr7vl.f8a9j81yaglsaM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <41711C8C.4040500@je-ju.net>

Jos? Campos wrote:
>        Find : "(.*)?\.(.*)?"

This matches the complete string and I only want to match the periods 
enclosed in strings, it's for syntax highlighting...

Jeroen.


From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 16 13:06:47 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:06:47 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <417117B4.5000304@je-ju.net>
References: <417117B4.5000304@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <3C48CFCE-1F74-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 14:44, Jeroen wrote:

> I'm having a bit of a trouble to match a '.' which is part of a string 
> surrounded by " ".

So you only want to match the single dot? This is currently not 
possible (AFAIK) since there is no look-behind assertions. But if this 
is for search and replace, you can use something like: 
?("[^"]*)\.([^"]*")? and in the replacement string do ?$1-$2? to e.g. 
turn it into a dash.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 16 13:08:01 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:08:01 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <41711C8C.4040500@je-ju.net>
References: <1glr7vl.f8a9j81yaglsaM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<41711C8C.4040500@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <68900BAE-1F74-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 15:05, Jeroen wrote:

> This matches the complete string and I only want to match the periods 
> enclosed in strings, it's for syntax highlighting...

Ah, in that case use the begin/end patterns and make the dot a sub 
pattern. Or if it's for styling, use the ability to style captures :)


Kind regards Allan



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Sat Oct 16 13:07:29 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 14:07:29 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <55BF044E-1F74-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Forgot this bit of info:  I'm using 1.0.1b4.

Just in case it matters or you would wonder.

Kind regards,

Mats



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 16 13:12:04 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:12:04 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] path in file shell variables
In-Reply-To: <41710E83.9030103@je-ju.net>
References: <41710E83.9030103@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <F9776A7C-1F74-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 14:05, Jeroen wrote:

> Could the path in the file shell variables (e.g. TM_SELECTED_FILE) be 
> surrounded by "" if necessary? Currently it doesn't work if there are 
> spaces in the path.

You can put quotes around them yourself in your commands. I think this 
is more flexible, as e.g. you may want to add prefix/suffix to the 
variables, remove part of it etc., and if I put quotes around them, 
that would make this cumbersome.


Kind regards Allan



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sat Oct 16 13:18:11 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:18:11 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] path in file shell variables
In-Reply-To: <F9776A7C-1F74-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <41710E83.9030103@je-ju.net>
	<F9776A7C-1F74-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <41711F93.8040106@je-ju.net>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> You can put quotes around them yourself in your commands. I think this 
> is more flexible, as e.g. you may want to add prefix/suffix to the 
> variables, remove part of it etc., and if I put quotes around them, that 
> would make this cumbersome.

True, I had not thought of that. In that case, it's better to escape the 
space using a '\'.

Jeroen.


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 16 13:25:43 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:25:43 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <68900BAE-1F74-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glr9co.1865npr19qkwpeM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> Or if it's for styling, use the ability to style captures :)

    Perhaps i've missed a step, but what do you mean by "style
captures"? Found nothing in the Help file, nor in the Wiki. (only notice
the smiley :)

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 16 13:30:44 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:30:44 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 14:56, Mats Persson wrote:

> Using the above outputs the following:
>
> echo $TM_FILEPATH
> echo $TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY
> echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed "s|^$TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/\(.*\)\$|\1|"
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/TextMateProjects
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php

Okay, so basically the TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY is useless in this context, 
since the ?logical? project directory is not where the actual tmproj 
file is kept.

> Yes, however with the help of your suggestion and a bit of own brain 
> activity - a rare but appreciated event - I created a work around for 
> my system that works by using a custom shell variable that contains 
> the path to the Sites directory.
>
> echo $TM_SITES_DIRECTORY
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites

Ah, yes -- I think that's really the only "general" solution, seeing 
how there is no way we can extract the ?logical? project directory from 
the existing variables.

> IMPORTANT:	Possible BUG ??
>
> In the template I use ${TM_FILEPATH} and when I create a new template 
> TM_FILEPATH takes the value of the currently selected Tab in the Tab 
> bar.

You should use TM_NEW_FILE instead :)

> I really have to learn all the hidden shell stuff that's available in 
> OS X now, as it can do much of great interest.

It's _really_ a time saver! ;)

> Do you have any recommendations about good resources for learning that 
> stuff, books or online ? How did you grasp it all ?

uh... I think I learned it by years and years of reading man files ;)

I'd recommend starting by getting familiar with the GNU textutils, 
unfortunately not all are available on OS X, and the OS X versions are 
not always as flexible, but it's a good overview of what you'd probably 
need 90% of the time: 
http://www.gnu.org/software/textutils/textutils.html (you can actually 
get the GNU versions for OS X btw, though I personally haven't).

Additionally there is sed and awk, which are also _very_ helpful for 
manipulating text.

And for actual shell programming, I guess the bash man file has some 
info, but maybe someone else can give a better reference? since man 
files can be rather intimidating at first, especially when they have 
the length and layout of the bash man file ;)

Also remember that often you can pipe text through a perl or ruby 
script giving on the command line, which is what I do to expand the 
variables in the default HTML templates (though let me add, I expect to 
soon make the "output option" for templates be "insert as snippet", so 
we can have placeholders, embedded shell commands a.s.o.).

Other than that, it's probably like learning any other programming 
language, a bit at a time, reading through all the "public" sources 
which are available (at least when they do something "impressive") and 
ask questions whenever you have some!

Personally I don't mind unix questions sent to this list, since 
TextMate is so tied to shell stuff.



Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 16 13:39:08 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:39:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <1glr9co.1865npr19qkwpeM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glr9co.1865npr19qkwpeM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <C14F8F8E-1F78-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 15:25, Jos? Campos wrote:

>> Or if it's for styling, use the ability to style captures :)
>
>     Perhaps i've missed a step, but what do you mean by "style
> captures"? Found nothing in the Help file, nor in the Wiki. (only 
> notice
> the smiley :)

It's in the last few paragraphs. If for example we want to underline a 
dot in a string, we could do (for readability, I'm leaving out quotes, 
escapes, and semicolons):

    match = ?"[^"]*(\.)[^"]*"?
    fontStyle[1] = ?( underline )?

By appending [1] to fontStyle, we affect the style only for the 1th 
capture of the match.  The other way to do it would have been (assuming 
we want the string to be on a single line here):

    begin = ?"(?=.*")?
    end = ?"?
    patterns = (
       { match = ?\.?
         fontStyle = ?( underline )?
       }
    )



Kind regards Allan



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 16 14:03:42 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:03:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] RegExp question
In-Reply-To: <C14F8F8E-1F78-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1glrb4e.9bqpk65vdcvrM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> It's in the last few paragraphs. If for example we want to underline a
> dot in a string, [...]

    OK, I was trying to find this feature in the Find/Replace dialog
box, now I understand (how powerful TM is :)

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sat Oct 16 14:54:41 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:54:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] PList bundle
Message-ID: <41713631.7020406@je-ju.net>

Hi,

I've put money where my mouth is and created a PList bundle: 
http://www.os3.nl/~jeroen/tm/plist_tm.tar.gz

It contains a syntax highlighting file for syntax highlighting ASCII-PList 
files and a template file (with some comments and pointers).

Jeroen.


From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Sat Oct 16 15:23:25 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 16:23:25 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <529CD370-1F87-11D9-B604-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 16 Oct 2004, at 14:30, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> And for actual shell programming, I guess the bash man file has some 
> info, but maybe someone else can give a better reference? since man 
> files can be rather intimidating at first, especially when they have 
> the length and layout of the bash man file ;)

Depends on which shell you favour of course ..

For bash,  the "Bash Reference Manual" is friendlier, and provides a 
bit more background, than the 'man' pages do.  Exists as HTML or PDF in 
numerous locations.  Latest version is Edition 3.0 (27 July 2004).

As far as tutorials go, the "Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide", by Mendell 
Cooper, is  _very_ comprehensive.
You can download the latest SGML/HTML from the author's site here,

http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/abs-guide-3.0.tar.bz2

or view it online / download it in various other formats, at the LDP, 
here:

http://tldp.org/guides.html

(There are other good bash guides  and  HowTo's on the LDP page too ..)

Cheers,
-- Andre



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 16 18:36:23 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 16 Oct 2004 20:36:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Open current file through http://localhost/ (was:
	TextMate v1.0 Feedback)
In-Reply-To: <67AAECE7-1F9F-11D9-A45F-000A95EC3556@tin.it>
References: <67AAECE7-1F9F-11D9-A45F-000A95EC3556@tin.it>
Message-ID: <4824CBB6-1FA2-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 16. Oct 2004, at 20:15, Max wrote:

> I'm developing a web application in PHP. Is there any chance to work 
> on a php page, and then see if it works through 
> http://localhost/mypage with a command? Just like F12 from 
> Dreamweaver... Or do I have to switch to Safari and click on the 
> bookmark I made?

I don't know what Dreamweaver does on F12, but you can do a command 
like this:

open `echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed 
"s|.*/$USER/Sites/\(.*\)|http://localhost/~$USER/\1|"`

Before running command: probably save ;)
Input/output: none/discard

If you are editing a page named:
    /Users/max/Sites/project/page.php

It will open Safari (if default browser) and point it to:
    http://localhost/~max/project/page.php

And you can of course assign F12 to this command.



Kind regards Allan

P.S. Generally send these type of questions to the mailing list:
    http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sun Oct 17 03:00:36 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 05:00:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
Message-ID: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>

First: I?m delighted and impressed with the frequency of
beta-releases, A joy checking for updates every night :)

On Beta6 it was really nice to see the interface improvements. Border
on the gutter, and a elegant wrap-line really, makes a difference.. So
much so, that I instantly made replacements for the folding widgets.
Based on my previously released mock-up; The arrow-directions are more
visible, and the ellipsis got a minor tweak to work better on dark
backgrounds. It still looks a bit messy when a document has many
foldings, so I included a set of light arrows which I propose to use
on level 2 and below.

Differencing background-color of the folding column from the rest of
the gutter, would also be nice.. I believe :)

My files are available on the following address:
http://homepage.mac.com/hpeikemo/AlternateFolding_1710.zip


hp.


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sun Oct 17 07:56:41 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:56:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <417225B9.60400@je-ju.net>

And another interface change request:
It would be nice if the user is allowed to place the status bar where he 
wants it. I have no idea why you would want a status bar at the top of your 
screen, since almost every other editor I know has one at the bottom and 
this is also where I look if I want to know exact placement of my cursor.

Even better would be if the user is allowed to format the taskbar itself as 
well. :)

Jeroen.


From lucsky at mac.com  Sun Oct 17 08:17:56 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:17:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0C7D0EBF-2015-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

On 17 oct. 2004, at 05:00, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> First: I?m delighted and impressed with the frequency of
> beta-releases, A joy checking for updates every night :)

Agreed, and I bet that it's going to be even more joyful when Allan 
gets his shiny G5 ;)

> On Beta6 it was really nice to see the interface improvements.

Agreed as well, it's coming along really nicely. The new status bar has 
problems though, here's what I get with 1.0.1b6:

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How to reproduce:
- Set the status bar to hidden.
- Resize the window.
- Tadaaaa.

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com

From robbevan at xpt.com  Sun Oct 17 08:39:51 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.com (Rob Bevan)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 09:39:51 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate hangs when editing .as files
Message-ID: <1CCDE808-2018-11D9-B584-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>

Create a file test.as, open this in TextMate.

Type: if (x = y)

After typing y, using the mouse to move the caret outside of the 
closing bracket hangs TextMate. This doesn't happen if you use the 
right arrow key.

(This may only happen with my ActionScript bundle installed: haven't 
tested this with any of the other ones).



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 10:28:53 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:28:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate hangs when editing .as files
In-Reply-To: <1CCDE808-2018-11D9-B584-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
References: <1CCDE808-2018-11D9-B584-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
Message-ID: <57E787F6-2027-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 10:39, Rob Bevan wrote:

> (This may only happen with my ActionScript bundle installed: haven't 
> tested this with any of the other ones).

Could you:
  a) tell me which version of TM you are using,
  b) send me your AS bundle (or a link to it),
  c) try the same with another file type/disable syntax highlight.

Thanks, Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 10:50:31 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 12:50:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5D7A8BF2-202A-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 5:00, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> Differencing background-color of the folding column from the rest of
> the gutter, would also be nice.. I believe :)

Yes, this I liked very much in the mockup you did.

However, the gutter may contain any combination of bookmark stars, line 
numbers, folding markers, and soft wrap indicators. So it's not obvious 
to me how to best introduce the separator lines.

Probably _only_ the folding markers should have its own gutter-column, 
and the rest should be on the normal darkened window stripes (w/o 
separator lines inbetween).

Currently, if line numbers are disabled, I'm using the folding markers 
column for soft wrap indicators, which wouldn't really work if I 
changed it to have the separator line!?! OTOH this is only when folding 
markers are the only item in the gutter, and in that case, I could 
render it slightly differently.

I'm also not sure what color to put in the folding markers row -- 
you've made it white on your mockups, but IMO that wouldn't look good 
when the document background is dark.

Comments? Images? :)


Kind regards Allan



From robbevan at xpt.com  Sun Oct 17 10:57:25 2004
From: robbevan at xpt.com (Rob Bevan)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:57:25 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] TextMate hangs when editing .as files
In-Reply-To: <57E787F6-2027-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <1CCDE808-2018-11D9-B584-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>
	<57E787F6-2027-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <54446602-202B-11D9-B584-003065A89FD6@xpt.com>


On Oct 17, 2004, at 11:28 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 17. Oct 2004, at 10:39, Rob Bevan wrote:
>
>> (This may only happen with my ActionScript bundle installed: haven't 
>> tested this with any of the other ones).
>
> Could you:
>  a) tell me which version of TM you are using,

1.0.1b6 (although I've experienced this before, but assumed previously 
it had something to do with bad snippet syntax on my part).

>  b) send me your AS bundle (or a link to it),

http://type.robbevan.com/robbish/ActionScript.tmbundle.zip

>  c) try the same with another file type/disable syntax highlight.

I can reproduce this if I change the filetype to .php (with the default 
PHP bundle), but not if syntax highlighting is disabled. Clearly has 
something to do with the '()' smartTypingPair.



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 11:04:03 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:04:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <417225B9.60400@je-ju.net>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
	<417225B9.60400@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <41CF616E-202C-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 9:56, Jeroen wrote:

> It would be nice if the user is allowed to place the status bar where 
> he wants it. I have no idea why you would want a status bar at the top 
> of your screen

I think Mail and Xcode places it there, but I'm also preferring to have 
it at the bottom, also for decorative/aesthetic purposes, since there 
are tabs at the top, and nothing at the bottom, and now there's even 
both tabs and a status bar at the top, and maybe soon there'll be a 
tool bar, so it gets a bit heavy on the top...

So yeah, it'll probably be configurable where to place it -- though I'm 
not sure how good the "table view header"-background works in the 
bottom of the screen. Maybe we need another background for when it's 
down there.

> since almost every other editor I know has one at the bottom and this 
> is also where I look if I want to know exact placement of my cursor.

Ah, then it's just a question of unlearning old habits! ;)

> Even better would be if the user is allowed to format the taskbar 
> itself as well. :)

At least the status bar will see many improvements and lots of new 
added info, some of it clickable... but this currently isn't my main 
priority!


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 11:21:43 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:21:43 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <0C7D0EBF-2015-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C7D0EBF-2015-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B9A196AA-202E-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 10:17, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> Agreed, and I bet that it's going to be even more joyful when Allan 
> gets his shiny G5 ;)

Definitely! :) Currently the beta/deployment builds are >30 minutes, 
and then probably 20 minutes to go back to debug mode. So that's an 
hour of lost productivity.

> Agreed as well, it's coming along really nicely. The new status bar 
> has problems though, here's what I get with 1.0.1b6:

Ah, nice catch. Will fix! I also see that I screwed up the right margin 
of the text view (it shows a one pixel border which it shouldn't, 
causing the thin white line to the left of the resize symbol).

But Luc, why on earth would you disable the new shiny status bar? ;)


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 11:31:05 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 13:31:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Call for bundles
Message-ID: <088AF668-2030-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

I'll most likely be releasing 1.0.1 later today, and I'll try to ship 
it with all user submitted bundles.

So if you've made changes or you have something you haven't published, 
please add it to the wiki [1].  When there are multiple bundles for the 
same language, be sure to add comments to why (or merge them ;) ) so 
that I can quickly get an overview of this stuff.

I'm planning to include all syntax highlight files in the 
"SharedSupport" folder of TextMate, so these will be available 
out-of-the-box. And then I'm also adding an external "support" folder 
to the disk image, where bundles are located which contain more than 
just syntax highlight files, which the user can then double click to 
get that extra support (TextMate will merge the default bundle with 
syntaxes with the installed bundle that contain the added 
functionality).

I'd hoped 1.0.1 would have had better bundle management from within 
TextMate, but this will take a little more time, and I think it's about 
time the 1.0.1 update was released -- this also means that some of the 
other things some of you may have been expecting for 1.0.1 didn't make 
it. Don't worry, I do write down every suggestion I get, so there's no 
need to re-send your feedback, at least not if I replied to it.


Kind regards Allan

[1] http://wiki.macromates.com/



From lucsky at mac.com  Sun Oct 17 12:01:56 2004
From: lucsky at mac.com (Luc Heinrich)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 14:01:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <B9A196AA-202E-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C7D0EBF-2015-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<B9A196AA-202E-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <57F0DB40-2034-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>

On 17 oct. 2004, at 13:21, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Definitely! :) Currently the beta/deployment builds are >30 minutes, 
> and then probably 20 minutes to go back to debug mode. So that's an 
> hour of lost productivity.

Don't even get me started on this $!#$ piece of !!$##%% that XCode 
is... :/

Anyway, I guess that this "20 minutes going back to debug mode" is 
caused by the debug/deployment build styles right ? So why don't you 
just create a separate target for the deployment build so you can 
actually live with *both* ?

> But Luc, why on earth would you disable the new shiny status bar? ;)

The "old" one was disabled, so I got the bug right away when launching 
1.0.1b6 ;)

-- 
Luc Heinrich - lucsky at mac.com - http://www.honk-honk.com



From k at v2studio.com  Sun Oct 17 12:49:42 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:49:42 -0200
Subject: [TextMate] feature request: separators
Message-ID: <03CFCAD9-203B-11D9-A9F6-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>

I want to be able to insert separators in the project drawer. For 
example, when I create a rails project, I have the following roots:
- controllers
- models
- helpers
- views
- javascripts
- stylesheets
- rails

I want to use separators to be able to view them as follows:
- controllers
- models
- helpers
- views
   -----
- javascripts
- stylesheets
   -----
- rails

I guess I could use groups or something, but I prefer to avoid nesting, 
otherwise I'd just do it with the rails dir and nothing more.




From phil at hinkty.com  Sun Oct 17 14:34:11 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 07:34:11 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
Message-ID: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

Hi All,

Just a couple little usability gnats (beta 6):

1. Cutting and pasting of code pretty much always doubles the indent. 
Which drives us newbies to drink for a while until we finally discover 
the indent paste behavior that you can set. Does anyone have this on? 
Seems like turning it off would make the better default behavior. It 
would have saved me several days of swearing under my breath each time 
:)

2. I noticed that the code folding actions are not in the undo stack. 
Sort of a bummer. I've caught myself trying to undo a fold only to have 
some change I made previous to that be undone.

Thanks,
Phil



From k at v2studio.com  Sun Oct 17 13:53:22 2004
From: k at v2studio.com (Caio Chassot)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 11:53:22 -0200
Subject: [TextMate] annoyance in b5/6: double click open
Message-ID: <E8AB8301-2043-11D9-8F4E-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>

Is there any way to disable the double click open thing?

Since double click the the finder-way to open files, Whem I want to 
open a file (with TM), I often double click the drawer items instead of 
single clicking them.

With the new "open with finder" feature/bug, I end up launching 
subethaedit and jedit accidently all the time.




From jarkko at jlaine.net  Sun Oct 17 14:38:24 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:38:24 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror typing bug
In-Reply-To: <7D3DEE81-1EC2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <BD959193.52BC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<7D3DEE81-1EC2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <330B9F78-204A-11D9-8A52-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>


On 15.10.2004, at 18:54, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
> Yes, the snippet editing is active until you have completed the tab 
> chain.
>
> Justin has bugged me about it throughout the last couple of weeks ;)
>
> It's really a feature, but I'll change it so that it drops the 
> snippet-typing if you move the caret outside any of the placeholders 
> (as with column typing).
>
> And yes, visual feedback is also a scheduled improvement :)
>
> Until it's ?fixed?, just press tab when it happens!

One problem I found was that the tabbing between placeholders take 
precedence over other snippet triggers. That is, if I want to insert 
other snippet inside, say, ifelse snippet, TM doesn't invoke the inner 
snippet but when I press tab but jumps to the next placeholder of the 
outer snippet. Would it be possible to change this?

//jarkko
>
--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sun Oct 17 16:41:30 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 18:41:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>

Phil Aaronson wrote:
> 2. I noticed that the code folding actions are not in the undo stack. 
> Sort of a bummer. I've caught myself trying to undo a fold only to have 
> some change I made previous to that be undone.

Why would you want that in the undo stack? If you want to undo the folding, 
just click again on the fold icon...
Folding has nothing to do with the text itself, just the representation of 
it. On the same note: selecting stuff is also not in the undo stack.

Jeroen.


From phil at hinkty.com  Sun Oct 17 17:41:13 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 10:41:13 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
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Why would you want that in the undo stack? You don't have to reach for 
the mouse, and you don't have to be over the fold icon to unfold it. 
More importantly its what I (admittedly a newbie, or perhaps more 
importantly as a newbie) *expected* it to do. Text vs. the 
representation of text obviously means something to you. The difference 
is lost on me. If I'm in a word processor and I select some text and 
make it bold, or change the font, I expect undo to unbold it, or change 
the font back. Is it really that controversial?

Phil

On Oct 17, 2004, at 9:41 AM, Jeroen wrote:

> Phil Aaronson wrote:
>> 2. I noticed that the code folding actions are not in the undo stack. 
>> Sort of a bummer. I've caught myself trying to undo a fold only to 
>> have some change I made previous to that be undone.
>
> Why would you want that in the undo stack? If you want to undo the 
> folding, just click again on the fold icon...
> Folding has nothing to do with the text itself, just the 
> representation of it. On the same note: selecting stuff is also not in 
> the undo stack.
>
> Jeroen.
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From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 17:53:03 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:53:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] annoyance in b5/6: double click open
In-Reply-To: <E8AB8301-2043-11D9-8F4E-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>
References: <E8AB8301-2043-11D9-8F4E-000A95C05A48@v2studio.com>
Message-ID: <64C1E3E6-2065-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 15:53, Caio Chassot wrote:

> Since double click the the finder-way to open files, Whem I want to 
> open a file (with TM), I often double click the drawer items instead 
> of single clicking them.
>
> With the new "open with finder" feature/bug, I end up launching 
> subethaedit and jedit accidently all the time.

This was a request -- please use it for some days to see if you don't 
learn that you shouldn't double click. If it's a long term problem, it 
may be changed.

Xcode btw does the same AFAIK.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 17:57:29 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:57:29 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Interface changes and Folding
In-Reply-To: <57F0DB40-2034-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
References: <f888a19041016200069179748@mail.gmail.com>
	<0C7D0EBF-2015-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
	<B9A196AA-202E-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<57F0DB40-2034-11D9-87D8-000A95AA6EF4@mac.com>
Message-ID: <032BB76E-2066-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 14:01, Luc Heinrich wrote:

> Anyway, I guess that this "20 minutes going back to debug mode" is 
> caused by the debug/deployment build styles right ? So why don't you 
> just create a separate target for the deployment build so you can 
> actually live with *both* ?

Mainly because I haven't invested the time in doing so, and I'd then 
need to maintain two targets ;) but it's long been on my to-do to move 
away from Xcode "project files" and to standard makefiles...

Currently though, I just time it so that I (generally) start the 
deployment build before I go to sleep (which uploads etc.) and then 
when I wake up, I have it re-do the debug build while I check 
news/mail, eat breakfast etc. -- so it's really not an hour of lost 
productivity, but it's still a tad frustrating though ;)


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 17:58:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:58:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Mirror typing bug
In-Reply-To: <330B9F78-204A-11D9-8A52-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <BD959193.52BC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<7D3DEE81-1EC2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<330B9F78-204A-11D9-8A52-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <2DA9AE0E-2066-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 16:38, Jarkko Laine wrote:

> One problem I found was that the tabbing between placeholders take 
> precedence over other snippet triggers. That is, if I want to insert 
> other snippet inside, say, ifelse snippet, TM doesn't invoke the inner 
> snippet but when I press tab but jumps to the next placeholder of the 
> outer snippet. Would it be possible to change this?

It's on my wish list of things I'd like to change, but it's probably 
not a 10 minutes fix. So it'll have to wait a bit.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 17 18:31:30 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:31:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <C3800F44-206A-11D9-A1E2-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 16:34, Phil Aaronson wrote:

> 1. Cutting and pasting of code pretty much always doubles the indent. 
> Which drives us newbies to drink for a while until we finally discover 
> the indent paste behavior that you can set. Does anyone have this on?

If it doubles the indent, clearly it's not doing its job correctly ;)

I think there may be some problems if the pasted text uses spaced and 
the editor is set to use tabs vice versa, but I haven't investigated 
this fully yet.

If you can give an example of when you get the double indent, please 
let me know.


Kind regards Allan



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Sun Oct 17 20:08:23 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:08:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>
	<BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>

Phil Aaronson wrote:
> Why would you want that in the undo stack? You don't have to reach for 
> the mouse, and you don't have to be over the fold icon to unfold it. 

Well perhaps there should be a hot key for it or something.

> More importantly its what I (admittedly a newbie, or perhaps more 
> importantly as a newbie) *expected* it to do. Text vs. the 
> representation of text obviously means something to you. The difference 
> is lost on me. If I'm in a word processor and I select some text and 
> make it bold, or change the font, I expect undo to unbold it, or change 
> the font back. Is it really that controversial?

Yes! TextMate is *not* a word processor, it is a text processor! Everything 
you do with TextMate results in a file with plain text, where no fonts are 
defined, no italics, no underline, no folding, just the text. The way 
things look is simply a result of the workings of TextMate. The result of 
this is also that you can grab any editor and work on the same file: use 
TextMate, TextPad, vi(m), emacs, SubEthaEdit, BBEdit, etc.

Jeroen.






From mail at petermcm.dircon.co.uk  Sun Oct 17 22:45:06 2004
From: mail at petermcm.dircon.co.uk (Peter McMaster)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:45:06 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby regexp highlighting
Message-ID: <30E01AAE-208E-11D9-8D0D-0003935703CA@petermcm.dircon.co.uk>

The ruby regexp highlighting works much better now, but still gets 
confused by something like:

   %r{hel{2,10}o}

(The highlighting stops at the first "}").

Adding this:

   { name = "Arbitrary repetition"; match = "({\\d+(,\d+)?})"; 
foregroundColor = "#CCCC33"; }

to the Regular Expression II set in Ruby.plist appears to sort this. 
Doesn't work if you have a regexp like this though:

   %r{foo\{2,10}

Admittedly it's a bit of an extreme edge case, but if someone with 
better regexp skillz feels like figuring it out...

(Note: I don't subscribe to this list, but do check the archives every 
so often.)

  - Peter



From phil at hinkty.com  Mon Oct 18 00:04:19 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 17:04:19 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>
	<BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <421A2087-2099-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

On Oct 17, 2004, at 1:08 PM, Jeroen wrote:
> Yes! TextMate is *not* a word processor, it is a text processor! 
> Everything you do with TextMate results in a file with plain text, 
> where no fonts are defined, no italics, no underline, no folding, just 
> the text. The way things look is simply a result of the workings of 
> TextMate. The result of this is also that you can grab any editor and 
> work on the same file: use TextMate, TextPad, vi(m), emacs, 
> SubEthaEdit, BBEdit, etc.

Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't exist 
in a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a BBEdit 
user which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold some text in 
vim, say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the cursor. Undo 
('u') undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to expect.

Phil



From infolists at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 01:22:28 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:22:28 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Using diff from within TextMate?
Message-ID: <8d5544d804101718227ab4374a@mail.gmail.com>

I'm sure it is possible but has anyone come up with an elegant way to
invoke diff from within TM?

bongoman


From johan at allard.nu  Mon Oct 18 01:58:29 2004
From: johan at allard.nu (Johan Allard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:58:29 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Doubleclick on whitespace
Message-ID: <34FD4246-20A9-11D9-8310-000D93C2849E@allard.nu>

Hello,

When reindenting code, I usually doubleclick on the whitespace to the 
left on the first word on the line. I'm expecting the whitespace only 
to get highlighted, TextMate highlights all the whitespace and the 
first word. Very annoying!

//johan



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Mon Oct 18 02:35:56 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:35:56 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
Message-ID: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

TM 1.0.1 B7 (which I just downloaded) feels really nice.  The new tabs 
I'm experimenting with feel and look nice, the added preferences are 
great, and everything just feels a lot more refined.

SO MANY of the "gripes" and "deal breakers" mentioned on this list have 
been nailed by Allan, and the app feels much better for it.

Applause.

Justin



From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Mon Oct 18 03:02:52 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:02:52 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
In-Reply-To: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <3343F0D6-20B2-11D9-B576-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>

I'm loving the text being rendered on top of the selection and the tabs.

Thanks Allan!!

On Oct 17, 2004, at 9:35 PM, Justin French wrote:

> TM 1.0.1 B7 (which I just downloaded) feels really nice.  The new tabs 
> I'm experimenting with feel and look nice, the added preferences are 
> great, and everything just feels a lot more refined.
>
> SO MANY of the "gripes" and "deal breakers" mentioned on this list 
> have been nailed by Allan, and the app feels much better for it.
>
> Applause.
>
> Justin
>
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From msheets at whitefalls.org  Mon Oct 18 03:41:50 2004
From: msheets at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:41:50 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
In-Reply-To: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <A51E96B2-20B7-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

Quick bug, the horizontal scrollbars are entirely gone. ;)

Tabs look nice though :)



From msheets at whitefalls.org  Mon Oct 18 03:47:02 2004
From: msheets at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:47:02 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Left Padding
Message-ID: <5ECE52EC-20B8-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

Could there be some padding on the left side of the text? It's so 
close, kind of distracting. 2-3 pixels maybe, or just even it up with 
the padding on the top.



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Mon Oct 18 03:48:08 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 05:48:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
In-Reply-To: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <1glu7nz.a18ixl1on8jgaM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Justin French <justin.french at indent.com.au> wrote:

> TM 1.0.1 B7 (which I just downloaded) feels really nice. [...].
> 
> Applause.

    Yes very great. And what about the "Window/Show Web Preview"? isn't
it a little bit more than *very* nice?

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From ceej at spies.com  Mon Oct 18 03:53:12 2004
From: ceej at spies.com (C J Silverio)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:53:12 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] some suggestions for search & replace 
Message-ID: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>

I've now spent a couple of weekends writing code with TextMate, which 
is I
think enough time to understand its way of working. Some of the things 
I like
most about it come from the language syntax bundles, which are really
powerful and flexible. That's a great feature and a real selling point.
Typing close characters for me: nice. Auto-completion: nice. C++ class
templates: nice. I like the spare look, no stinkin' toolbars cluttering
stuff up and distracting from my all-important data.

Love the new tab look in b7. (Maybe a tad darker to set them off more
from their background? Eh, maybe not.) Also love the sharp new approach
to drawing the selection. Much more readable!

Inevitably, I have suggestions. Users, they're so annoying that way!
Most of my suggestions have to do with searching. TextMate doesn't feel
quite right, yet.

(I've scanned a bunch of the  previous messages to the list, but not
enough to be sure these weren't discussed already. Apologies if I'm
repeating the past.)

- Keyboard accelerator for "replace and find next". For the love
   of god, Montresor!

- "Find the selection" action, with keyboard accelerator. (Yes, it can
   be macroed, but why should I have to macro such an important action?)

- Scroll the text to keep the cursor in the "hot zone" when possible.
   E.g., if you have to scroll to make the result of a search visible,
   scroll enough to put the new selection in the middle of the screen.
   Repeated find-nexts though large files always seem to end up for me
   with the selection on the bottom-most line, with no context visible.
   Yuck!

- For extra points, place the selection where it won't be hidden by
   the Find dialog, which is often covering up the text. (But you're 
going
   to add a replace-and-find-next accelerator, so the Find dialog won't
   be shown so often and this won't matter as much. Right?)

- Bigger fields in the find/replace dialog, please! Try copying some
   text that spans multiple lines and pasting that into the find field.
   Hard to deal with, yes?

- Whole word matching option, please, controlled by a checkbox on the 
find
   dialog. I often want this without wanting the bother of writing a
   regular expression every time.

- Multi-file search outside of project groups, please! Minimal
   implementation searches all the files in a particular directory with
   optional descent into subdirectories. This is a switch-blocker for me,
   and I bet it would make lots of other people happy.

More controversially:

You're probably sick of hearing this, but please reconsider adding
an app preferences dialog. It will do two things for you:

   - It will clear out rarely-changed items that are currently
     cluttering your menus.
   - It will make clear which preferences are app-wide, and which
     ones are settings for the current document.
   - Bonus: your app will feel more Mac-like than it does now.

Remember, it does me no good to have easy access to stuff I set once,
then never ever change again.

As I think about that suggestion and fiddle with things, I begin to 
realize
that TextMate doesn't have per-document settings, and that the 
appearance of
having them is a bug. For instance, open two documents. Turn on text 
wrapping
in one. Note that only the selected document at the time you change the
setting is affected. This leads you to believe that wrapping is a 
document
setting. But if you quit TextMate and restart, suddenly all documents 
are
getting text-wrapped. Whoops.

I would suggest that some choices should be saved with the document, as 
part
of its state (cursor position, selection, wrap, font choice, etc). Those
settings belong in menus. Consider making anything you expect the user 
to
change often part of the document state. Any setting that affects all
documents probably belongs in a preference dialog, tucked out of the 
way.

I can argue this the other way, that adding document state is more
trouble than it's worth. BBEdit does it, and I like it. Soft line wrap 
in
particular is something that I definitely want on some documents and
definitely don't want on others. Worth thinking about, anyway.

Boy, I got longwinded. Hope at least some of this is helpful.

Thanks for making such a solid editor, and hope you enjoy that new G5!

--ceej



From ceej at spies.com  Mon Oct 18 03:56:12 2004
From: ceej at spies.com (C J Silverio)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 20:56:12 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] and some more on making selections
Message-ID: <A6BAECD6-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>

A few more suggestions on minor issues:

- Chunk up undo actions. E.g., undo shouldn't undo a bunch of typing
   by single letters, but instead by the whole typing episode.

- When I'm selecting big ranges of text, and I've moved the mouse to
   or beyond the top or bottom of the page, scroll to reveal more text
   and extend the selection.

- Selecting lines is funky with lines that consist of only a newline.
   For instance, triple-click to select a line that's part of a block,
   then sweep the cursor down. The selection will "stick" above the first
   blank line, then snap down to grab that and the first non-empty line 
as
   you sweep downward. What if I want to grab a block with its trailing
   whitespace and move the whole thing? I can't.

- Tiny bug: To reproduce this, cut or delete some selected text, then
   undo the cut. The restored text is selected, good. Now move the cursor
   with an arrow key: doesn't move as expected! It seems to be offsetting
   from the middle of the selection, instead of from the bounds. This 
happens
   if you make a selection and copy it, as well.

--ceej



From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 04:02:52 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:02:52 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
In-Reply-To: <A51E96B2-20B7-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<A51E96B2-20B7-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <6585884041017210267987886@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 22:41:50 -0500, Michael Sheets
<msheets at whitefalls.org> wrote:
> Quick bug, the horizontal scrollbars are entirely gone. ;)

When you have "Soft Wrap" enabled, you won't see/need horizontal scrollbar.

ip


From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 04:12:06 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:12:06 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] v1.0.1b7 Status Bar Inconsistancy
Message-ID: <658588404101721124aeda1@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if this only apply to v1.0.1b7. When in single window
mode, the status bar is on top. When in project management mode, the
status bar is on the bottom.

Can we have an unified position for status bar, on the bottom for
example? Or is there a reason for the alternating positions?


From msheets at whitefalls.org  Mon Oct 18 04:28:59 2004
From: msheets at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 23:28:59 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
In-Reply-To: <6585884041017210267987886@mail.gmail.com>
References: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<A51E96B2-20B7-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
	<6585884041017210267987886@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3B465CE8-20BE-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

>> Quick bug, the horizontal scrollbars are entirely gone. ;)
>
> When you have "Soft Wrap" enabled, you won't see/need horizontal 
> scrollbar.

For a minute there you were making me think I was seeing things, heh.

Use softwrap, set to a fixed width, make the window smaller than the 
wrap. No scrollbar.



From chris at m-audio.com  Mon Oct 18 04:31:35 2004
From: chris at m-audio.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:31:35 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] some suggestions for search & replace 
In-Reply-To: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
References: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
Message-ID: <985A7A0A-20BE-11D9-8EC6-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>


On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:53 PM, C J Silverio wrote:

> - Multi-file search outside of project groups, please! Minimal
> ? implementation searches all the files in a particular directory with
> ? optional descent into subdirectories. This is a switch-blocker for  
> me,
> ? and I bet it would make lots of other people happy.

On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:53 PM, C J Silverio wrote:

- Multi-file search outside of project groups, please! Minimal
? implementation searches all the files in a particular directory with
? optional descent into subdirectories. This is a switch-blocker for me,
? and I bet it would make lots of other people happy.

The best implementation I've seen of multi-file search?was the (old)  
CodeWarrior IDE search window. You could add arbitrary files to  
the?list of files to be searched by dragging icons?from the Finder  
directly into the list field. The file list was in the main search  
window, but?could be hidden when it wasn't in use. Having everything in  
one combined search dialog was very handy. Hey, Google found a  
screenshot:

<http://www.engin.umich.edu/labs/cpc/doc/CodeWarrior/Manuals/ 
IDE_User_Guide_html/images/IDE060_Find.fm.anc4.gif>

Chris


From tobias.luetke at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 04:49:37 2004
From: tobias.luetke at gmail.com (Tobias Luetke)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 00:49:37 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] some suggestions for search & replace
In-Reply-To: <985A7A0A-20BE-11D9-8EC6-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
References: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
	<985A7A0A-20BE-11D9-8EC6-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
Message-ID: <9963c1bd04101721491e5e73eb@mail.gmail.com>

Since we are taking the find & replace dialog apart : 

- If the current selection is only a single line the "search in
selection" default doesn't make much sense. Instead it would be nice
if it could prefill the search field with the current selection.




On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 21:31:35 -0700, Chris Thomas <chris at m-audio.com> wrote:
> 
> On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:53 PM, C J Silverio wrote:
> 
> > - Multi-file search outside of project groups, please! Minimal
> >   implementation searches all the files in a particular directory with
> >   optional descent into subdirectories. This is a switch-blocker for
> > me,
> >   and I bet it would make lots of other people happy.
> 
> On Oct 17, 2004, at 8:53 PM, C J Silverio wrote:
> 
> - Multi-file search outside of project groups, please! Minimal
>   implementation searches all the files in a particular directory with
>   optional descent into subdirectories. This is a switch-blocker for me,
>   and I bet it would make lots of other people happy.
> 
> The best implementation I've seen of multi-file search was the (old)
> CodeWarrior IDE search window. You could add arbitrary files to
> the list of files to be searched by dragging icons from the Finder
> directly into the list field. The file list was in the main search
> window, but could be hidden when it wasn't in use. Having everything in
> one combined search dialog was very handy. Hey, Google found a
> screenshot:
> 
> <http://www.engin.umich.edu/labs/cpc/doc/CodeWarrior/Manuals/
> IDE_User_Guide_html/images/IDE060_Find.fm.anc4.gif>
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Tobi


From infolists at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 06:39:16 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:39:16 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] (no subject)
Message-ID: <8d5544d804101723392a9b15a2@mail.gmail.com>

To what extent is TM applescriptable?

Is it at least possible to somehow replicate this chunk of script re TM?

tell application "BBEdit"
	set theSelection to the contents of selection
end tell

I'm wanting to use TM with the PHP Function Index from artis:
http://www.artissoftware.com/phpfi/

bongoman


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Mon Oct 18 07:35:38 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:35:38 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <421A2087-2099-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>	<BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
	<421A2087-2099-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
Message-ID: <4173724A.5030306@je-ju.net>

Phil Aaronson wrote:
> Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't exist in 
> a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a BBEdit user 
> which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold some text in vim, 
> say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the cursor. Undo ('u') 
> undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to expect.

You're right, I thought Vim did not put folding on the undo stack, but it 
does indeed.

However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack, simply 
because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.

And word processors != text editors, there's a world of difference between 
them.

Jeroen.




From raena at raena.net  Mon Oct 18 07:56:38 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:56:38 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
Message-ID: <3D599CCE-20DB-11D9-A30A-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

I don't know if anyone has mentioned this yet, but I'll throw it out 
there --

My collections of commands and snippets are both getting a little long, 
and as I add more I can see it becoming a bit of a task to pick them 
from a popdown menu.  Is it possible to group these somehow, so that we 
can choose from submenus instead of the super-long scrolling menu from 
hell?

I know that using the trigger+tab shortcuts sort of obviates the need 
for this in the snippets, but I'm still getting used to the idea of 
using the triggers and need to lean on the menu -- plus I can see it 
being a pest for the commmands.

thanks,
Raena



From infolists at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 07:55:11 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:55:11 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Applescript and TM?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804101723392a9b15a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d804101723392a9b15a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041018005518f391d6@mail.gmail.com>

Ooops.

Forgot the subject.


From hangonsoft at free.fr  Mon Oct 18 08:23:38 2004
From: hangonsoft at free.fr (olivier hericord)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:23:38 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
Message-ID: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>

hi,

sorry to say that but new tabs doesn't pop to the eye like the old 
ones...with the old ones the selected one was instantly seen because it 
was blue....

what's your opinion about that?

olivier



From johans at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 08:24:37 2004
From: johans at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Johan_S=F6rensen?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:24:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
Message-ID: <6890597404101801246a4461b4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I know I'm being anal about this, but then again I am a mac user, but
I'm not really sure I like the bold for the folders in the
projectdrawer. They are already plenty visually marked with the
standard mac os folder icon, no need to bold up the text, in fact,
this is probably the first application where I've seen this (afaik).
I'm also not too sure about the file-texts being ~80% black, but that
I can live with, it's just the boldness of the folders that's a little
too much!

If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by
it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with
a defaults write)

-- johan


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Mon Oct 18 08:26:35 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:26:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] [feature request] Encodings
Message-ID: <20041018082635.GA4094@tara.freenix.org>

Is it possible to get more encodings in the "Open with encoding..." entry
in the menu please?  The system's list is pretty long (maybe too long) but
having at least Latin9 (ISO-8859-15) would be nice for us Europeans :-)

Thanks,
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 08:41:34 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:41:34 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Window splitting?
Message-ID: <BD99404E.52F9%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Title says it all, is this a planned feature? You know, a single window
split into 2 or more different views of the same document?

Actually what would also be very cool, would be the idea of 2 panes within a
single window showing *different* documents, but I cant quite see how the UI
could handle it elegantly (without repeating the tabs), other editors have
tried this but it usually ends up looking rather confusing.

Probably someone will reply and tell me that its in the current version and
I just cant see it!

Chris




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From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 08:54:56 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:54:56 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Shell scripts progress dialog?
Message-ID: <BD994370.52FC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Here's an idea (stolen from BBEdit):

A dialog of some sort that appears when running long shell scripts would be
very useful, I have one that runs a compiler, which can take several minutes
and I might want to cancel it rather than wait for the script to timeout.

Chris



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From infolists at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 09:06:01 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:06:01 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
In-Reply-To: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041018020631359d20@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:23:38 +0200, olivier hericord <hangonsoft at free.fr> wrote:

> what's your opinion about that?

My view is that the current tabs are a definite improvement and with
b.7 I feel the app has more of the polish I expect with an OS X app.

I did wonder how the tabs might look if the line along the bottom of
the active tab (between the top of the document and the tab itself)
were lighter than that along the bottom of the non-active apps, but am
pretty happy about things really.

bongoman


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:17:48 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:17:48 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] some suggestions for search & replace
In-Reply-To: <9963c1bd04101721491e5e73eb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
	<985A7A0A-20BE-11D9-8EC6-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
	<9963c1bd04101721491e5e73eb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <942399DA-20E6-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 6:49, Tobias Luetke wrote:

> - If the current selection is only a single line the "search in
> selection" default doesn't make much sense.

It's _replace_ in selection (Replace All Scope), so it does *not* 
affect normal searches. And to me it _does_ make sense. For example 
when I want to (un)escape stuff in a string.

> Instead it would be nice if it could prefill the search field with the 
> current selection.

I get that a lot, but to me that would be rather destructive, and Apple 
has cmd-e as part of the AHIG to do exactly this thing! It's Edit -> 
Find -> Use Selection for Find in the menus, and it works in _all_ 
Cocoa applications (probably also most Carbon), so get used to using 
it! :) It also works across applications, so you can e.g. press cmd-e 
in your browser, and then cmd-g in TextMate to find what you'd selected 
in the browser.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:28:59 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:28:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
In-Reply-To: <3D599CCE-20DB-11D9-A30A-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
References: <3D599CCE-20DB-11D9-A30A-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
Message-ID: <241C2A7E-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 9:56, Raena Armitage wrote:

> My collections of commands and snippets are both getting a little 
> long, and as I add more I can see it becoming a bit of a task to pick 
> them from a popdown menu.  Is it possible to group these somehow, so 
> that we can choose from submenus instead of the super-long scrolling 
> menu from hell?

Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's 
something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)

Though I'm still not entirely sure how to do it. I would like to also 
show which bundle stuff is from in the various editors, also so that 
the user can place his things in specific bundles w/o resorting to the 
Finder.

For this probably an outline view or browser view is best, but not sure 
if I should then show the top level (which would be the bundle name) in 
the menus. For a person placing everything in the default (?Custom?) 
bundle, that'd probably not make sense, since that'd be two sub menus 
to get to his custom stuff...

Maybe I could make it so that all bundles except Custom were sub 
menus...

I'll play a bit with it after 1.0.1 (which was delayed till today due 
to tab graphics ;) ).


Kind regards Allan



From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Mon Oct 18 08:34:41 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:34:41 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
In-Reply-To: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <8E70C6CD-20E0-11D9-8CE9-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>

Hi,

On 18 Oct 2004, at 09:23, olivier hericord wrote:

> hi,
>
> sorry to say that but new tabs doesn't pop to the eye like the old 
> ones...with the old ones the selected one was instantly seen because 
> it was blue....
>
> what's your opinion about that?
>
> olivier

I much, much, much prefer the new ones. The old ones I thought were 
awful!

Richard



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:30:05 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:30:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804101723392a9b15a2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d804101723392a9b15a2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B6EA405-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 8:39, bongoman wrote:

> To what extent is TM applescriptable?

Currently no support at all.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:33:05 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:33:05 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window splitting?
In-Reply-To: <BD99404E.52F9%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD99404E.52F9%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <B6EEDB62-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 10:41, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> Title says it all, is this a planned feature? You know, a single 
> window split into 2 or more different views of the same document?

Yes, it's planned. But give it a month or so, as there are so many 
other things I also need to do...


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:34:00 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:34:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Shell scripts progress dialog?
In-Reply-To: <BD994370.52FC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD994370.52FC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <D79B79A0-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 10:54, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> A dialog of some sort that appears when running long shell scripts 
> would be very useful, I have one that runs a compiler, which can take 
> several minutes and I might want to cancel it rather than wait for the 
> script to timeout.

Yes, I have commented on this previously. It is of course planned, 
along with incremental output etc.


Kind regards Allan



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 09:36:46 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:36:46 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Folding idea
Message-ID: <BD994D3E.5302%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

A cool addition to the folding would be to draw some form of connector
between the start of the fold and the end, not in the margin, but actually
within the code, then not only do you get an indication of which folding
markers belong together, you also get a nice indication of where ifs and
loops end, which if they are very long is quite tricky, (even if the
indenting is correct). The Actionscript editor SEPY does something like
this, but it runs like crap on the Mac.



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From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:38:02 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:38:02 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] b7 rocks
In-Reply-To: <3B465CE8-20BE-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <70349392-20AE-11D9-BB90-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<A51E96B2-20B7-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
	<6585884041017210267987886@mail.gmail.com>
	<3B465CE8-20BE-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <678464DA-20E9-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 6:28, Michael Sheets wrote:

> Use softwrap, set to a fixed width, make the window smaller than the 
> wrap. No scrollbar.

I'm aware of this, but I figured _very_ few would actually configure 
TextMate like that, and so I favor not having the scroll bar when soft 
wrap is enabled.

It may catch this case in the future though...


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:38:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:38:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] v1.0.1b7 Status Bar Inconsistancy
In-Reply-To: <658588404101721124aeda1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <658588404101721124aeda1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E9E1661-20E9-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 6:12, Ivan Pan wrote:

> I don't know if this only apply to v1.0.1b7. When in single window
> mode, the status bar is on top. When in project management mode, the
> status bar is on the bottom.

It does, and there's a reason why it's called beta.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 09:39:12 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:39:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>
	<BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <919C5D82-20E9-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 17. Oct 2004, at 22:08, Jeroen wrote:

>> Why would you want that in the undo stack? You don't have to reach 
>> for the mouse, and you don't have to be over the fold icon to unfold 
>> it.
> Well perhaps there should be a hot key for it or something.

You can toggle foldings with F1.


Kind regards Allan



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Mon Oct 18 09:49:31 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:49:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
In-Reply-To: <241C2A7E-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1gluomg.1rpkdrpw59o6aM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's 
> something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)
> 
[...]
> 
> For this probably an outline view or browser view is best, but not sure
> if I should then show the top level (which would be the bundle name) in
> the menus. 

    Drawers, just like the project drawer would be nice, just add
radio-buttons in the tab bar to select which drawer to open
(Project-Command-Macros-Snippets-Clipboard history-Templates)

    Pleeeezzze ;-)

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 10:00:11 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:00:11 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Left Padding
In-Reply-To: <5ECE52EC-20B8-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <5ECE52EC-20B8-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <7FD8ECEC-20EC-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 5:47, Michael Sheets wrote:

> Could there be some padding on the left side of the text? It's so 
> close, kind of distracting. 2-3 pixels maybe, or just even it up with 
> the padding on the top.

There already is 2 pixels?!?


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 10:07:35 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:07:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] some suggestions for search & replace 
In-Reply-To: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
References: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
Message-ID: <886ACF4A-20ED-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 5:53, C J Silverio wrote:

> - Keyboard accelerator for "replace and find next". For the love
>   of god, Montresor!

What is the ?standard? key for this? If there is none, I'll probably 
use cmd-option-f.

> - "Find the selection" action, with keyboard accelerator. (Yes, it can
>   be macroed, but why should I have to macro such an important action?)

Seeing how several has expected to find this on cmd-h (which is Hide 
according to AHIG), it really should be done as a macro!

It's really only grouping cmd-e and cmd-g into one key.

> - Scroll the text to keep the cursor in the "hot zone" when possible.
>   E.g., if you have to scroll to make the result of a search visible,
>   scroll enough to put the new selection in the middle of the screen.
>   Repeated find-nexts though large files always seem to end up for me
>   with the selection on the bottom-most line, with no context visible.
>   Yuck!

I choose bottom deliberately, seeing how it's easier to locate, and it 
always work (i.e. when finding something in the last 20-40 lines, it 
wouldn't be able to center it.

But I may change it -- visually highlighting the current line may help 
in that decision.

> You're probably sick of hearing this, but please reconsider adding
> an app preferences dialog. It will do two things for you:

Yes, check the archive if you want a reply.

> [...] Soft line wrap in particular is something that I definitely want 
> on some documents and definitely don't want on others. Worth thinking 
> about, anyway.

But generally wouldn't it be better just to have the soft wrap setting 
stick to the file extension instead of every individual document?


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 10:10:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:10:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] and some more on making selections
In-Reply-To: <A6BAECD6-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
References: <A6BAECD6-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
Message-ID: <F6D63530-20ED-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 5:56, C J Silverio wrote:

> - Tiny bug: To reproduce this, cut or delete some selected text, then
>   undo the cut. The restored text is selected, good. Now move the 
> cursor
>   with an arrow key: doesn't move as expected! It seems to be 
> offsetting
>   from the middle of the selection, instead of from the bounds. This 
> happens
>   if you make a selection and copy it, as well.

This is intentional. I like that after selecting word/line/all I can 
restore the position of the caret, rather than go to the start/stop of 
the selection.


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Mon Oct 18 10:30:32 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:30:32 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity
Message-ID: <41739B48.60602@allinthehead.com>

I'm not sure if this relates to my system or a particular (undocumented) 
tweak in the latest build, but all the outstanding text peculiarities 
have cleared up.

For example, in ProFont 9pt anti-aliased I was seeing a lowercase 'L' 
being represented at double thickness (2px). This has all gone, and it's 
*beautiful*.

Along with all the other visual tweaks in the latest build, TextMate is 
really sweeping me away.

My dollars are going down today. New customer.

drew.


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 18 10:36:43 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:36:43 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
In-Reply-To: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <9AA72D96-20F1-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


> what's your opinion about that?

In my honest opinion the new tabs are *MUCH* better.  IF every little 
issue that can be improved in TM is improved to that extent, then the 
app will surely become the best app on the platform! : )

Yeah, I know, perhaps a bit over the top, but I LIKE THEM !!

Regards,

Mats



From jonas.voss at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 10:43:46 2004
From: jonas.voss at gmail.com (Jonas Voss)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:46 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Can't get my mittens on 1.01b7, site seems to be down
Message-ID: <2eae361d04101803431d532b13@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

My fingers are itching to get the latest beta, as everyone raves
about, but I can't seem to download it. TM itself says "Remote file or
URL was invalid" when checking from within the app, and I can't
contact the macromates website either.

Could some kind soul make 1.01b7 available somewhere, pretty please?

Oh, and Allan et al. TM is the first editor I ever paid for (been
using a mix of vim, SEE, and Smultron so far).

Cheers,

Jonas


From jonas.voss at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 10:45:54 2004
From: jonas.voss at gmail.com (Jonas Voss)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:45:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] 
	Re: Can't get my mittens on 1.01b7, site seems to be down
In-Reply-To: <2eae361d04101803431d532b13@mail.gmail.com>
References: <2eae361d04101803431d532b13@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2eae361d0410180345123d1642@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:43:46 +0200, Jonas Voss <jonas.voss at gmail.com> wrote:

[...]

> Could some kind soul make 1.01b7 available somewhere, pretty please?

And just as I post this, TM pulls through, and tells me there's a new
version available. So problem is solved.

Cheers,

~/j


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 18 10:49:23 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:49:23 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues
Message-ID: <5F8B9E2C-20F3-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


Hi Allan,

Not sure this is a bug or some hidden feature, so therefore the posting 
here.

Just played with b7 for a few seconds, and love the improvements 
overall, but found this irritation:

When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre 
the current line where the cursor happens to be.  Although I can't 
swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but now 
I do, and it is a bit irritating.

Is there some setting hidden away somewhere or just one of those things 
that will be changed in b8 ??

Hope I made myself clear ??

Kind regards,

Mats



From lists at allinthehead.com  Mon Oct 18 11:13:02 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:13:02 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
In-Reply-To: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <4173A53E.6000701@allinthehead.com>

olivier hericord wrote:

> sorry to say that but new tabs doesn't pop to the eye like the old 
> ones...with the old ones the selected one was instantly seen because it 
> was blue....
> 
> what's your opinion about that?

The new tabs are very much an improvement. They're not perfect yet, but 
I don't think anyone expects that at this early stage. They're a very 
positive step in the right direction.

Obviously I've no idea of the technical constraints on this, but it 
would be nice if the selected tab had no dividing line between it and 
the document, as per attached image.

Apart from removing the line beneath the selected tab, I also darkened 
the border color of the tab to match that of the line. (didn't mess with 
the corners, which is why they now look weak - but you get the idea).

drew.
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From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 10:50:57 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:50:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Folding idea
In-Reply-To: <BD994D3E.5302%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD994D3E.5302%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <97AAB98A-20F3-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 11:36, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> A cool addition to the folding would be to draw some form of connector
> between the start of the fold and the end, not in the margin, but 
> actually within the code [...]

I prefer to have such ideas served with mockups! ;)


Kind regards Allan



From infolists at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 11:24:11 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:24:11 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
In-Reply-To: <4173A53E.6000701@allinthehead.com>
References: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
	<4173A53E.6000701@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041018042437b676db@mail.gmail.com>

The absence of the line works for me. Nice. I'm curious what Justin
would say: I respect his opinion on this and wonder what he thinks.

Bongoman


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 11:30:32 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:30:32 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] don't like new tabs
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d8041018042437b676db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0325B371-20DF-11D9-96C2-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
	<4173A53E.6000701@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d8041018042437b676db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1ED5018E-20F9-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 13:24, bongoman wrote:

> The absence of the line works for me. Nice. I'm curious what Justin
> would say: I respect his opinion on this and wonder what he thinks.

Initially Justin did it like that, and I turned it down ;)

There were a few reasons I didn't like it:
  a) too much white, reminds me of a Java/Windows app
  b) won't work with different bg colors
  c) need to offset the tabs to make room for the gutter (and that's 
sort of quite difficult because the gutter can change width etc.)
  d) technically the line is drawn by the scroll view, but that's a 
coder-reason, so probably it doesn't count ;)


Kind regards Allan



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 11:51:31 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:51:31 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] re: Window splitting?
Message-ID: <BD996CD3.5310%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Allan,

That's good to hear, I didn't mean to be pushy, the product is fantastic and
you deserve a lot of recognition for not only making the thing, but for
bothering to listen so closely to the community, there's many a company that
doesn't. I haven't been this excited about a new product in a long time!


Regards


Chris Jenkins




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From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Mon Oct 18 12:08:28 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:08:28 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] some suggestions for search & replace 
In-Reply-To: <886ACF4A-20ED-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B96B7AB-20B9-11D9-B08A-000A959A1B48@spies.com>
	<886ACF4A-20ED-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <6B6A0961-20FE-11D9-B576-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>

Yes! Can't wait... :-)

On Oct 18, 2004, at 5:07 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> But I may change it -- visually highlighting the current line may help 
> in that decision.



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Mon Oct 18 12:51:11 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:51:11 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
In-Reply-To: <20041018115424.981FB120F@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <BD997AD1.5316%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of hierarchy
and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the gutter (I
changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some way also
be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as a way
of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket over
long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.

Anyone got any other ideas?

Chris



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From justin.french at indent.com.au  Mon Oct 18 13:02:35 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
Message-ID: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

Had another go at the tab thing tonight, trying to get it a little more 
"aqua"... The result is attached.

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Both Allan and myself have pretty much turned down the idea.  Whilst I 
think they look great, they're a little too small, and the X and dot 
don't stand out enough... I'd probably have to start again with a new 
(slightly larger) "red ball" (this one was borrowed from OmniWeb).

But these flat crosses are becoming a little bit of a de-facto OSX 
standard in one form or another -- most tabbed apps are using them, so 
I figure there's no need to rock the boat.

We're also ummming and ahhhhing about coloring the selected tab from 
white to something else (like an Aqua blue), but my preference is 
definitely white.

For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected 
tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does have 
some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's black) 
which are a not exactly simple to work around.  One day maybe :)


Justin


From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 17:21:33 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:21:33 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
In-Reply-To: <6890597404101801246a4461b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6890597404101801246a4461b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f888a1904101810215920665f@mail.gmail.com>

> If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by
> it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with
> a defaults write)

Ah! 

I was just about to write this exact same mail.

Visually the bold folders don't give more clarity, just adds clutter.
The icon and indentation do a real good job. no need to change 
that.


hp.


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Mon Oct 18 14:40:01 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:40:01 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <4173D5C1.80902@je-ju.net>

Justin French wrote:
> We're also ummming and ahhhhing about coloring the selected tab from 
> white to something else (like an Aqua blue), but my preference is 
> definitely white.

Perhaps make the difference in colour stand out a bit more ? More % gray 
on the others or something?

Or take another approach and make the name of the current tab in 
bold/underline/italics/slightly bigger font.

Jeroen.


From juananorga at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 17:31:24 2004
From: juananorga at gmail.com (Juan Anorga)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:31:24 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>

I tried a couple things, too. I made a softer X and added some space
below the tab. I tried to do a "tiger" blue, but I don't know if I'm
100% sold on it yet. What do you guys think?

- Juan Carlos


On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French
<justin.french at indent.com.au> wrote:
> Had another go at the tab thing tonight, trying to get it a little more
> "aqua"... The result is attached.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Both Allan and myself have pretty much turned down the idea.  Whilst I
> think they look great, they're a little too small, and the X and dot
> don't stand out enough... I'd probably have to start again with a new
> (slightly larger) "red ball" (this one was borrowed from OmniWeb).
> 
> But these flat crosses are becoming a little bit of a de-facto OSX
> standard in one form or another -- most tabbed apps are using them, so
> I figure there's no need to rock the boat.
> 
> We're also ummming and ahhhhing about coloring the selected tab from
> white to something else (like an Aqua blue), but my preference is
> definitely white.
> 
> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected
> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does have
> some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's black)
> which are a not exactly simple to work around.  One day maybe :)
> 
> Justin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 
> 
> 
>
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From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 18 13:47:53 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:47:53 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] re: Window splitting?
In-Reply-To: <BD996CD3.5310%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD996CD3.5310%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4F61721C-210C-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>



On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:51, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> Allan,
>
> That's good to hear, I didn't mean to be pushy, the product is 
> fantastic and you deserve a lot of recognition for not only making the 
> thing, but for
> bothering to listen so closely to the community, there's many a 
> company that doesn't. I haven't been this excited about a new product 
> in a long time!
>
> Regards
> Chris Jenkins

DITTO !!! Couldn't agree more !!



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 18 13:46:41 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:46:41 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <24094CFE-210C-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


> Had another go at the tab thing tonight, trying to get it a little 
> more "aqua"... The result is attached.
> <mock2.png>
> Both Allan and myself have pretty much turned down the idea.  Whilst I 
> think they look great, they're a little too small, and the X and dot 
> don't stand out enough... I'd probably have to start again with a new 
> (slightly larger) "red ball" (this one was borrowed from OmniWeb).

While probably ignoring the Aqua GUI standard here, but could the 'red' 
dot / (X) close box work as follows:

red = Unsaved document
green (or other colour) = saved document

active document would remain as it is in b7.

That way we could see instantly which doc's are unsaved when we work 
with a gazillion tabs open.


> But these flat crosses are becoming a little bit of a de-facto OSX 
> standard in one form or another -- most tabbed apps are using them, so 
> I figure there's no need to rock the boat.

If the above could be done, then I'd prefer the (X) rather than the 
dot-bubble-thing.


> We're also ummming and ahhhhing about coloring the selected tab from 
> white to something else (like an Aqua blue), but my preference is 
> definitely white.

Mine too !!


> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected 
> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does 
> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's 
> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.  One day maybe 
> :)

That would be nice, but surely not anything that's urgent. IF it can be 
done easily and quickly then by all means do it.


Kind regards,

Mats



From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:47:38 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:47:38 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Window splitting?
In-Reply-To: <B6EEDB62-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <BD99404E.52F9%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<B6EEDB62-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <65858840410180747669f4351@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:33:05 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
>Yes, it's planned. But give it a month or so, as there are so many
> other things I also need to do...

Just a suggestion. Maybe lay out a roadmap or a check list, so we
won't keep nagging you about something that's already in the work.

It's already a great text editor and certainly an editor that would
make BBEdit worry. Keep up the good work.

ip


From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:52:20 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:52:20 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] v1.0.1b7 Status Bar Inconsistancy
In-Reply-To: <7E9E1661-20E9-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <658588404101721124aeda1@mail.gmail.com>
	<7E9E1661-20E9-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <65858840410180752a61f5cd@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:38:40 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 6:12, Ivan Pan wrote:
> 
> > I don't know if this only apply to v1.0.1b7. When in single window
> > mode, the status bar is on top. When in project management mode, the
> > status bar is on the bottom.
> 
> It does, and there's a reason why it's called beta.

Sorry about nagging you on this. It's just that, never have I
encountered a software company stay in touch with its users. I hope
this is not exhausting you (or testing your patience). : p

ip


From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon Oct 18 15:40:18 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:40:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
In-Reply-To: <BD997AD1.5316%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD997AD1.5316%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <03B97D7F-211C-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>


Op 18-okt-04 om 14:51 heeft Chris Jenkins het volgende geschreven:

> Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of 
> hierarchy
> and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the 
> gutter (I
> changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some 
> way also
> be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as 
> a way
> of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket 
> over
> long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.
>
> Anyone got any other ideas?
>

I like the idea of the subtle grey lines, but would remove the little 
horizontal lines, and place the vertical line directly under/above the 
folding marker.
I think it would look cleaner.

Something like:
if a > 4 then
|        puts "hello"
|
end

instead of
- if a > 4 then
|         puts "hello"
|
- end



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Mon Oct 18 17:58:37 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:58:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] re: Window splitting?
In-Reply-To: <BD996CD3.5310%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD996CD3.5310%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <4174044D.2000002@je-ju.net>

Chris Jenkins wrote:
> Allan,
> 
> That's good to hear, I didn't mean to be pushy, the product is fantastic and
> you deserve a lot of recognition for not only making the thing, but for
> bothering to listen so closely to the community, there's many a company that
> doesn't. I haven't been this excited about a new product in a long time!

Same here!
I have the deepest respect for you guys and how you stay in touch with the 
users, by answering their questions and implement requested features..

Jeroen.


From msheets at whitefalls.org  Mon Oct 18 14:01:59 2004
From: msheets at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:01:59 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Left Padding
In-Reply-To: <7FD8ECEC-20EC-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <5ECE52EC-20B8-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
	<7FD8ECEC-20EC-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <4743DE6F-210E-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

>> Could there be some padding on the left side of the text? It's so 
>> close, kind of distracting. 2-3 pixels maybe, or just even it up with 
>> the padding on the top.
>
> There already is 2 pixels?!?

Sorry, I meant 2-3 more, not total. If the small padding is so good why 
is there more on the top? ;)



From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:04:31 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:04:31 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Folding idea
In-Reply-To: <BD994D3E.5302%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD994D3E.5302%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <65858840410180704782336f3@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:36:46 +0100, Chris Jenkins <chrisjenkins at mac.com> wrote:
> A cool addition to the folding would be to draw some form of connector
> between the start of the fold and the end, not in the margin, but actually
> within the code, then not only do you get an indication of which folding
> markers belong together, you also get a nice indication of where ifs and
> loops end, which if they are very long is quite tricky, (even if the
> indenting is correct). The Actionscript editor SEPY does something like
> this, but it runs like crap on the Mac.

I believe jEdit does the same thing but in the gutter. It does not,
however, connect to folding or maybe I just didn't configure it right
to do so. The connector idea is a good one.

ip


From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Mon Oct 18 13:56:40 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:56:40 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
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Hello,

On 18 Oct 2004, at 14:02, Justin French wrote:

> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected 
> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does 
> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's 
> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.  One day maybe 
> :)

For what it's worth without the bleeding into the document and using 
the current colour scheme I find it difficult to tell which is the 
current tab. I realise logically that it's the one that is different to 
all the others but at a glance I still find it difficult to tell.

So personally I think that the highlighted colour needs to be stronger, 
or it needs to bleed. It might be interesting to note that the safari 
tabs bleed upwards.

Alternatively NoteBook's tabs (which are vertical) look more like the 
tabs you buy from stationary shops:

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I think they have a very obvious selected feel because the graphic for 
selected and non-selected are different.

Richard

  

From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 18:06:31 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:06:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
In-Reply-To: <f888a1904101810215920665f@mail.gmail.com>
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On 18. Oct 2004, at 19:21, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> Visually the bold folders don't give more clarity, just adds clutter.
> The icon and indentation do a real good job. no need to change
> that.

Okay, I'll drop the feature for next version then ;)


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 18:15:18 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:15:18 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
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On 18. Oct 2004, at 15:56, Richard Chamberlain wrote:

> For what it's worth without the bleeding into the document and using 
> the current colour scheme I find it difficult to tell which is the 
> current tab. I realise logically that it's the one that is different 
> to all the others but at a glance I still find it difficult to tell.

Here's how it looks with the latest graphics, I think it's made a tad 
clearer:
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The bleed-in is difficult because of the different document background 
colors. But I'm getting more comfortable with the thought though... ;)

Kind regards Allan

From mgee at gwi.net  Mon Oct 18 16:05:00 2004
From: mgee at gwi.net (Michael Gregoire)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:05:00 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Shift Left, Shift Right
Message-ID: <76A02026-211F-11D9-AE2A-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>

Ok, there is one nagging problem I've been having that no one has 
seemed to bring up yet. What is the arrow symbol (for Shift Left and 
Shift Right) equivalent to on my powerbook? I've checked the Mac help 
and the symbol isn't even listed in it's Special Key guide. I've 
attached a screenshot of the help page, as you can see it's not there. 
I've tried every combination of keys that I can think of, but nothing 
works. I have to resort to choosing it from the menu.

Thanks
Mike



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From ceej at spies.com  Mon Oct 18 18:08:57 2004
From: ceej at spies.com (C J Silverio)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:08:57 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
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On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:
> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected 
> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does 
> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's 
> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.  One day maybe 
> :)

You might find something to use in Camino's take:
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The selected tab bleeds into a stripe that goes across the window,
but is still separate from the document display. This helps indicate
"this tab is live", but doesn't war with the rendered page.

--ceej

From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 18:19:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:19:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Window splitting?
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On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:47, Ivan Pan wrote:

> Just a suggestion. Maybe lay out a roadmap or a check list, so we
> won't keep nagging you about something that's already in the work.

I have considered that, but I fear that it may actually lead to the 
opposite situation, also I really cannot make any estimates to when 
what will happen -- people should consider, ?is this a common editor 
feature?? if the answer is yes, most likely I know about it and 
eventually plan to get around to it ;)

For now there is the feature requests in the wiki -- I do read these, 
but currently do not comment on when what is planned.

> It's already a great text editor and certainly an editor that would
> make BBEdit worry. Keep up the good work.

That's another reason, don't want to give them too much insight in 
planned features, as some stuff is sort of "new" :)


Kind regards Allan



From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Mon Oct 18 18:22:50 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:22:50 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Shift Left, Shift Right
In-Reply-To: <76A02026-211F-11D9-AE2A-000A95BD7B90@gwi.net>
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Option-Tab for shifting to the right
Shift-Option-Tab for shifting to the left

On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:

> Ok, there is one nagging problem I've been having that no one has 
> seemed to bring up yet. What is the arrow symbol (for Shift Left and 
> Shift Right) equivalent to on my powerbook? I've checked the Mac help 
> and the symbol isn't even listed in it's Special Key guide. I've 
> attached a screenshot of the help page, as you can see it's not there. 
> I've tried every combination of keys that I can think of, but nothing 
> works. I have to resort to choosing it from the menu.
>
> Thanks
> Mike
>
>
>
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From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 18:23:57 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:23:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Left Padding
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On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:01, Michael Sheets wrote:

>> There already is 2 pixels?!?
> Sorry, I meant 2-3 more, not total. If the small padding is so good 
> why is there more on the top? ;)

That's a bug! ;)

Well, I think I initially did 6 pixels on each of the sides, but when I 
added gutter-stuff, I made it 2 pixels between folding-markers and end 
of gutter (and/or line numbers etc.), so I removed some to make it 
symmetrical.

I don't like too much padding, e.g. NSTextView seems to be using 1.5 
times the width of a character or so, and that makes it hard for me to 
see how much stuff is indented.

But I can probably be persuaded to add two more pixels.


Kind regards Allan



From jamie at soniciq.com  Mon Oct 18 18:28:19 2004
From: jamie at soniciq.com (James Hill)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:28:19 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Leave the tabs as they were
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I thing the tabs should be as they were in the first release. Clean and 
just fine. Too many programs today end up with fancy bevels etc all 
over the place. Keep it clean and lightweight I say.

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>
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:
>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected 
>> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does 
>> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's 
>> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.  One day maybe 
>> :)
>
> You might find something to use in Camino's take:
> <CaminoSnap001.png>
>
> The selected tab bleeds into a stripe that goes across the window,
> but is still separate from the document display. This helps indicate
> "this tab is live", but doesn't war with the rendered page.
>
> --ceej
>
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From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Mon Oct 18 15:44:07 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:44:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Show Web Preview... options
Message-ID: <1glv4xg.9cn9gq1o2nis1M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi,

    "Show Web Preview" is very nice but...

    + on a computer where PHP is enabled,
    + for files that are located somewhere in the ~/Sites/ folder,
    + instead of opening them as :
        "file:///Users/jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
    + it would be nicer to open them as :
        "http://127.0.0.1/~jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"

    ...so that the PHP code could be fully seen

    Have a nice day,

-- 
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From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 14:34:56 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:34:56 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
In-Reply-To: <BD997AD1.5316%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <20041018115424.981FB120F@one.textdrive.com>
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:51:11 +0100, Chris Jenkins <chrisjenkins at mac.com> wrote:
> Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of hierarchy
> and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the gutter (I
> changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some way also
> be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as a way
> of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket over
> long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.

1. tab icons: more visually intuitive that what we have, though I am
fine with what we have.
2. connector's subbranch: I like the idea to have multiple folding
markers within the same indentation.
3. explicit folding markers: I want to be able to clear some of the
markers in the gutter by manually setting the marking. I sometimes
have too many markers together.

ip


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 18 18:44:00 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:44:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues
In-Reply-To: <5F8B9E2C-20F3-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <5F8B9E2C-20F3-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
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On 18. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Mats Persson wrote:

> When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre 
> the current line where the cursor happens to be.  Although I can't 
> swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but now 
> I do, and it is a bit irritating.

It has always been the case ;) I realize that not all like it, since 
some e.g. scroll w/o moving the caret.  It'll be improved down the 
road.


Kind regards Allan



From andrew at article7.co.uk  Mon Oct 18 13:32:23 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:32:23 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
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On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French wrote:

> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected 
> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does 
> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's 
> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.

I think the reason this seems necessary is the way that the tabs adjoin 
the document area.  You'll notice that Safari puts the tabs the other 
way up, so that they adjoin the toolbar instead.

Admittedly, TM doesn't have a toolbar, but I do wonder if the tabs 
would work the other way up anyway, adjoining the window title bar 
rather than the document area.  Sadly, no mockup is forthcoming from me 
on this!

It could be a really bad idea, of course.  I'm just wondering.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From phil at hinkty.com  Mon Oct 18 18:53:30 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:53:30 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <4173724A.5030306@je-ju.net>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>	<BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>	<4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
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On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Jeroen wrote:

> Phil Aaronson wrote:
>> Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't exist 
>> in a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a BBEdit 
>> user which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold some text 
>> in vim, say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the cursor. 
>> Undo ('u') undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to expect.
>
> You're right, I thought Vim did not put folding on the undo stack, but 
> it does indeed.

For the record, in vim, undo also undoes text selection.

> However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack, 
> simply because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.

I'm getting that impression :) Not that this is a big deal, but most 
apps I use seem to break it down along command vs. setting line, not 
content vs. representation of content. That said a command vs. setting 
undo is a little more difficult line to walk with TextMate than a lot 
of other apps.

> And word processors != text editors, there's a world of difference 
> between them.

Fair enough.

Phil



From raena at raena.net  Mon Oct 18 15:57:22 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:57:22 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
In-Reply-To: <241C2A7E-20E8-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3D599CCE-20DB-11D9-A30A-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
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On 18 Oct 2004, at 8:28 pm, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's 
> something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)
>
> Though I'm still not entirely sure how to do it.

Outline view would make the most sense to me as a user.

Jos? Campos adds:
>     Drawers, just like the project drawer would be nice, just add
> radio-buttons in the tab bar to select which drawer to open
> (Project-Command-Macros-Snippets-Clipboard history-Templates)

...that's a lot of things, and I personally wouldn't feel that the 
project area (where documents live) is an appropriate place to also 
find bundly things -- although I wouldn't find it strange to find 
templates there.

Perhaps the contextual menu could accommodate something, though? 
Currently it has 'Filter through Command,' but perhaps some oft-used 
snippets wouldn't go astray here?


From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Mon Oct 18 13:26:39 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:26:39 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
In-Reply-To: <6890597404101801246a4461b4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6890597404101801246a4461b4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5785BF8A-2109-11D9-B576-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>

I would also prefer they not be bold. The folder icon is sufficient.

On Oct 18, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Johan S?rensen wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I know I'm being anal about this, but then again I am a mac user, but
> I'm not really sure I like the bold for the folders in the
> projectdrawer. They are already plenty visually marked with the
> standard mac os folder icon, no need to bold up the text, in fact,
> this is probably the first application where I've seen this (afaik).
> I'm also not too sure about the file-texts being ~80% black, but that
> I can live with, it's just the boldness of the folders that's a little
> too much!
>
> If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by
> it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with
> a defaults write)
>
> -- johan
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From jarkko at jlaine.net  Mon Oct 18 19:53:50 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:53:50 +0300
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <AA7C4BA8-2131-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
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On 18.10.2004, at 21:15, Allan Odgaard wrote:
> Here's how it looks with the latest graphics, I think it's made a tad 
> clearer:
> <pastedGraphic1.tiff>

I think that the new tabs are definitely better than the old ones and 
this latest mockup looks even better. However, I still have to second 
Richard's opinion. The current tab doesn't stand out enough. This is 
especially the case if the background of the text file is black. One 
reason for this is probably that the background of the tab bar is of 
almost the same color as the current tab. Now all the light grays 
contrast so strongly against the black that it's very hard to 
distinguish the current tab from others.

I too like the idea of a thin bleed-in stripe between the tab bar and 
the document, as proposed a few times.

//jarkko

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From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 20:33:15 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:33:15 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
In-Reply-To: <03B97D7F-211C-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
References: <BD997AD1.5316%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<03B97D7F-211C-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Message-ID: <65858840410181333401b8cf6@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:40:18 +0200, Jan Sabbe
<jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be> wrote:
> I like the idea of the subtle grey lines, but would remove the little
> horizontal lines, and place the vertical line directly under/above the
> folding marker.
> I think it would look cleaner.
> 
> Something like:
> if a > 4 then
> |        puts "hello"
> |
> end
> 
> instead of
> - if a > 4 then
> |         puts "hello"
> |
> - end

What if the begin tag and end tag do not line up? I would prefer the
indicating line in the text area but I think that's why jEdit  does it
in the gutter.

ip


From ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com  Mon Oct 18 14:47:30 2004
From: ecurtis at rgbdesignstudio.com (Eric Curtis)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:47:30 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <A2F4C331-2114-11D9-82AB-000A95D4B654@rgbdesignstudio.com>


On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:

> Had another go at the tab thing tonight, trying to get it a little 
> more "aqua"... The result is attached.
>
>
> <mock2.png>
>
> Both Allan and myself have pretty much turned down the idea.  Whilst I 
> think they look great, they're a little too small, and the X and dot 
> don't stand out enough... I'd probably have to start again with a new 
> (slightly larger) "red ball" (this one was borrowed from OmniWeb).

Please nothing like this red icon. I REALLY like the subtle grey up 
there. This would be too much...

Keep up the good work!

Eric Curtis



From ifanpan at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 20:50:11 2004
From: ifanpan at gmail.com (Ivan Pan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 15:50:11 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <658588404101813506d1c9c5e@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 10:31:24 -0700, Juan Anorga <juananorga at gmail.com> wrote:
> I tried a couple things, too. I made a softer X and added some space
> below the tab. I tried to do a "tiger" blue, but I don't know if I'm
> 100% sold on it yet. What do you guys think?

I like the "tiger blue".

ip


From public at 43folders.com  Mon Oct 18 20:54:10 2004
From: public at 43folders.com (Merlin Mann)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:54:10 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Tip: metadata and controlled vocabulary
Message-ID: <DC6B6EA1-2147-11D9-B087-000A95A00004@43folders.com>

This is a just a little tip for folks who run their life in TextMate 
(as I have begun to).

I have a single TextMate project in which I keep and maintain all my 
todo lists, project files, reference notes, etc. I'm a bit of a 
"[Getting Things Done][1]" nerd, so I admit to spending a lot of time 
fiddling around with lists. :)

I've evolved a standard header that I use for most of my txt documents 
that is similar to this example from my "Next Actions" (aka "to-do") 
list :

     ## Next Actions

       * _file_: "next.txt"
       * _purpose_: list of next actions needed for projects
       * _meta_: todo, next actions, task


Nothing too spectacular, but the little metadata line has really 
started to come in handy; I now can do a "`Find in Project`" on all my 
files and pick up any relevant hits--even when the term is not 
expressly mentioned in a given line of text. It's a great way to bubble 
up hidden content--even when it's many layers deep in the Finder.

The other, related tip, which I've mentioned before on [my site][2] is 
to try and standardize your vocabulary for TODOs or anything else 
you'll want to locate in a pile. I try to begin all of my TODOs with a 
verb followed by a fairly detailed phrase. E.g. :

     Buy propane at Albertson's
     Google the best way to run DynDNS on a Linksys; how to retain links?
     Email John about his site updates for Friday


This becomes really useful for GREPing a list of related topics and 
even generating a new one.

TextMate has really made me want to hone my modest shell skills to 
learn what it can do, because it seems pretty limitless. I'm just 
starting to install a few commands that will concatenate related files 
and generate these kinds of searches on the fly. I'd love to hear how 
other folks are using TM and the shell for tasks outside development, 
web design, etc. There's an awful of of power under that hood.

Best,
mm

     [1]: http://davidco.com (David Allen Site: Home of GTD, etc.)
     [2]: http://43folders.com (OS X and productivity stuff)




From thebrier at gmail.com  Mon Oct 18 21:04:17 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:04:17 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Problem changing keyboard shortcuts with System
	Preferences
Message-ID: <b44dd66604101814042f89f70a@mail.gmail.com>

As the help file suggests, I've tried changing some keyboard shortcuts
with System Preferences->Keyboard & Mouse->Keyboard Shortcuts.  I'm
trying to change the following items in the Text menu:

    Reformat Paragraph
    Reformat & Justify
    Unwrap Paragraph

I can get Reformat & Justify to work but not Reformat Paragraph and
Unwrap Paragraph.

I suspect it's because both of those items change their name depending
on wether text is selected.  I.e., when text is selected they become
Reformat Selection and Unwrap Selection.

I've tried setting the same shortcut for both, e.g., Reformat
Paragraph and Reformat Selection to try to cover both menu states, but
it doesn't work and the System Preferences warns me of an error
because of the duplicate shortcut key.

Does anyone know how/if I can make that work?  Or am I just out of
luck because of the way the item changes names?

Incidentally, I've worked around it by creating a local
KeyBindings.dict, I'd just prefer to do it with the System Preferences
so I don't have to always keep my KeyBindings.dict up-to-date between
version changes.

Thanks much for any ideas!


From noel at noeljackson.com  Mon Oct 18 21:18:34 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:18:34 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] 
In-Reply-To: <DC6B6EA1-2147-11D9-B087-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
References: <DC6B6EA1-2147-11D9-B087-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
Message-ID: <450485B4-214B-11D9-A28E-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

I would REALLY like the ability to create a file from a template 
without having to create a new project. As well, I can't tell you how 
much I need external FTP/SFTP editor support! Thanks.

-Noel



From lists at allinthehead.com  Mon Oct 18 21:27:05 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:27:05 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Subversion
Message-ID: <41743529.90802@allinthehead.com>

Out of idle curiosity (and because I use subversion a lot), how far down 
the list is the proposed svn integration?

I know it's early days so I'm not nagging for it already, but I just 
wondered ;)


drew.


From msheets at whitefalls.org  Mon Oct 18 21:37:58 2004
From: msheets at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:37:58 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Subversion
In-Reply-To: <41743529.90802@allinthehead.com>
References: <41743529.90802@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <FABCA674-214D-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

> Out of idle curiosity (and because I use subversion a lot), how far 
> down the list is the proposed svn integration?

http://www.macromates.com/

See bottom right.



From lists at allinthehead.com  Mon Oct 18 21:50:28 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:50:28 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Subversion
In-Reply-To: <FABCA674-214D-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <41743529.90802@allinthehead.com>
	<FABCA674-214D-11D9-A505-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <41743AA4.1000407@allinthehead.com>

Michael Sheets wrote:
>> Out of idle curiosity (and because I use subversion a lot), how far 
>> down the list is the proposed svn integration?
> 
> 
> http://www.macromates.com/
> 
> See bottom right.

Ah, thank you.

I'd seen that note there (hence my assumption that support was on its 
way), but hadn't seen the version numbers :)

drew.


From noel at noeljackson.com  Mon Oct 18 21:56:29 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:56:29 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Request: New Files and Templates (as well as FTP)
In-Reply-To: <450485B4-214B-11D9-A28E-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <DC6B6EA1-2147-11D9-B087-000A95A00004@43folders.com>
	<450485B4-214B-11D9-A28E-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <90CEFE3E-2150-11D9-A28E-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Forgot that subject. sorry...

On Oct 18, 2004, at 5:18 PM, Noel D.Jackson wrote:

> I would REALLY like the ability to create a file from a template 
> without having to create a new project. As well, I can't tell you how 
> much I need external FTP/SFTP editor support! Thanks.
>
> -Noel
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon Oct 18 22:49:49 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:49:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Circled Question Mark
Message-ID: <03E32A0E-2158-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>

What shortcut does a circled question mark point to? I haven't 
encountered it before.. I could redefine it, but I'm just curious :-)

It shows up with the search commands

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From lists at bebop.net  Mon Oct 18 23:02:58 2004
From: lists at bebop.net (Jeff Ganyard)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 16:02:58 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] status bar bug
Message-ID: <DAB2B628-2159-11D9-85A4-000A95A6A366@bebop.net>

Hiding then showing the status bar can move the insertion cursor off 
the bottom of the displayed document.

To reproduce:
Scroll to the end of a document, put the insertion cursor at the of a 
document.
Hide Status Bar
Show Status bar

I guess it depends on where you want the status bar to 'steal its 
display space. I would think you would want to avoid moving the 
document which you currently do. That means 'stealing' from the top of 
the display (suggested new behavior and the inverse of of what Hide 
Status Bar does)). However, if the cursor is in the region to be 
stolen, you should probably push it down (current behavior).



From cryo at diku.dk  Mon Oct 18 23:13:53 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:13:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Circled Question Mark
In-Reply-To: <03E32A0E-2158-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
References: <03E32A0E-2158-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
Message-ID: <60E82789-215B-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 19. okt 2004, at 0:49, Jan Sabbe wrote:

> What shortcut does a circled question mark point to? I haven't 
> encountered it before.. I could redefine it, but I'm just curious :-)

That would be the Help button :-). Good to find use for a (at least in 
OS X, I don't know about previous versions) severely underused button.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Tue Oct 19 00:09:00 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:09:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Circled Question Mark
In-Reply-To: <60E82789-215B-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <03E32A0E-2158-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>
	<60E82789-215B-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <1447424A-2163-11D9-95B6-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>


Op 19-okt-04 om 01:13 heeft Sune Foldager het volgende geschreven:

> On 19. okt 2004, at 0:49, Jan Sabbe wrote:
>
>> What shortcut does a circled question mark point to? I haven't 
>> encountered it before.. I could redefine it, but I'm just curious :-)
>
> That would be the Help button :-). Good to find use for a (at least in 
> OS X, I don't know about previous versions) severely underused button.
>

Ah, no such button on the ibooks :-) I'll just redefine it then



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 19 00:17:40 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:17:40 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <20041018143223043730.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041018143223043730.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
Message-ID: <4A2E9414-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 18/10/2004, at 11:32 PM, Andrew Green wrote:

> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected
>> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does
>> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's
>> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
>
> I think the reason this seems necessary is the way that the tabs adjoin
> the document area.  You'll notice that Safari puts the tabs the other
> way up, so that they adjoin the toolbar instead.

Yes, but it's a flawed analogy for "tabs" and their function.  You only 
think it works well in Safari because

a) Apple did it
b) You're used to it
c) You're probably an above-average user you translated Safari's tab 
analogy back to what you know about tabs.

Sorry, but I don't see the logic in upside-down tabs unless they're at 
the bottom of a document.

Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 19 00:19:42 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:19:42 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <927D6A30-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 19/10/2004, at 3:31 AM, Juan Anorga wrote:

> I tried a couple things, too. I made a softer X and added some space
> below the tab. I tried to do a "tiger" blue, but I don't know if I'm
> 100% sold on it yet. What do you guys think?

Juan,

I really like this... will talk with Allan about it today.

Justin



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 18 13:35:25 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:35:25 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>

On Oct 16, 2004, at 14:30, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> Yes, however with the help of your suggestion and a bit of own brain 
>> activity - a rare but appreciated event - I created a work around for 
>> my system that works by using a custom shell variable that contains 
>> the path to the Sites directory.
>>
>> echo $TM_SITES_DIRECTORY
>> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites
>
> Ah, yes -- I think that's really the only "general" solution, seeing 
> how there is no way we can extract the ?logical? project directory 
> from the existing variables.

(With an embarrassed face)
Hmm, was a bit too cocky there thinking I understood this all. Which I 
didn't of course.

Now having spent too much of the weekend trying to decipher the 
incomprehensible 'english' of the man files, online tutorials etc etc. 
I am still stuck and confused.

I am trying to create my own shell variable that is embedded in a new 
file when it's created like this:

Creating a new file "/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php" should 
embed the variable TM_PROJ_FILEPATH which should be 
"/projectName/index.php" into the newly created file.

So I am trying this inside a text doc in TM with no success. What's 
wrong ??

	TM_PROJ_FILEPATH=`$TM_FILEPATH | sed 
"s|^$TM_SITES_DIRECTORY\(.*\)\$|\1|"`
	echo $TM_PROJ_FILEPATH
/bin/sh: line 1: 
/Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php: Permission 
denied

( I have tried the above and any possible variation I could think of 
with no success)


The template file command is:
[ -f "$TM_NEW_FILE" ] || TM_DATE=`date +%Y-%m-%d` TM_YEAR=`date +%Y` 
TM_USERNAME=`niutil -readprop / /users/\$USER realname` perl -pe 
's/\$\{([^}]*)\}/$ENV{$1}/g' &lt;index.php &gt;"$TM_NEW_FILE"

and in that command I would like to add the new variable value 
TM_PROJ_FILEPATH.


>> In the template I use ${TM_FILEPATH} and when I create a new template 
>> TM_FILEPATH takes the value of the currently selected Tab in the Tab 
>> bar.
> You should use TM_NEW_FILE instead :)

Yeah, I told you I was embarrassed. : )


>> Do you have any recommendations about good resources for learning 
>> that stuff, books or online ? How did you grasp it all ?
> <SNIP>
> Personally I don't mind unix questions sent to this list, since 
> TextMate is so tied to shell stuff.

Be careful with what you don' t mind. Someone might take you up on it. 
: )



Attn: Andre.  Thanks for those links and recommendations.


Perhaps I could suggest that you guys who know and understand this 
stuff could create a ShellScriptCorner on the wiki where you could 
translate the incomprehensible stuff into examples and ENGLISH for us 
non-geek's. Because the writers of man files and online UNIX guides 
sure as hell hasn't.

Apologies, but I *HATE IT* when I can't work something out myself. AND 
the only reason that I can't do it is that the people who have created 
the problem assumed that I - or anyone else - knows as much as they do, 
and therefore see logic when there is none.




Kind regards,

Mats



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 00:47:07 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:47:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <67298680-2168-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 15:35, Mats Persson wrote:

> So I am trying this inside a text doc in TM with no success. What's 
> wrong ??
>
> 	TM_PROJ_FILEPATH=`$TM_FILEPATH | sed 
> "s|^$TM_SITES_DIRECTORY\(.*\)\$|\1|"`
> 	echo $TM_PROJ_FILEPATH
> /bin/sh: line 1: 
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php: Permission 
> denied

You need to put 'echo' before '$TM_FILEPATH'. So it should be:
    TM_PROJ_FILEPATH=`echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed 
"s|^$TM_SITES_DIRECTORY\(.*\)\$|\1|"`
    echo $TM_PROJ_FILEPATH

Stuff in `...` is executed as a command. $TM_FILEPATH expands to the 
file path, so doing `$TM_FILEPATH` alone would try to execute the file. 
Doing `echo $TM_FILEPATH` instead will echo (print) it. Of course we 
add `echo $TM_FILEPATH |?sed ...` to run sed on the result, to replace 
the path prefix. The | char means take output from the command on the 
left side and use as input for the command on the right side.

Not sure how much shell stuff you know!?!

> Perhaps I could suggest that you guys who know and understand this 
> stuff could create a ShellScriptCorner on the wiki where you could 
> translate the incomprehensible stuff into examples and ENGLISH for us 
> non-geek's. Because the writers of man files and online UNIX guides 
> sure as hell hasn't.

It's a good idea, though personally I'm probably better at answering 
concrete questions than writing general tutorials/documentation.


Kind regards Allan



From cryo at diku.dk  Tue Oct 19 00:48:52 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 02:48:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <A5B0324C-2168-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 18. okt 2004, at 15:35, Mats Persson wrote:
> So I am trying this inside a text doc in TM with no success. What's 
> wrong ??
>
> 	TM_PROJ_FILEPATH=`$TM_FILEPATH | sed 
> "s|^$TM_SITES_DIRECTORY\(.*\)\$|\1|"`
> 	echo $TM_PROJ_FILEPATH
> /bin/sh: line 1: 
> /Volumes/WorkDisk/Users/mats/Sites/projectName/index.php: Permission 
> denied

You want: TM_PROJ_FILEPATH=`echo $TM_FILEPATH | sed 
"s|^$TM_SITES_DIRECTORY\(.*\)\$|\1|"`
Instead I think.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From brent.bourgoine at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 01:19:52 2004
From: brent.bourgoine at gmail.com (Brent Bourgoine)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:19:52 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
In-Reply-To: <4173724A.5030306@je-ju.net>
References: <9C509140-2049-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<4172A0BA.50001@je-ju.net>
	<BD7C78C4-2063-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<4172D137.5090509@je-ju.net>
	<421A2087-2099-11D9-9315-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>
	<4173724A.5030306@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <31a2592c04101818197f337789@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 09:35:38 +0200, Jeroen <jeroen at je-ju.net> wrote:
> However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack, simply
> because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.

I think what matters here (and what causes confusion) is the
definition of "Undo".

Does "Undo" mean "Undo my last action", or "Undo the last change I
made to the text"?

Personally, I think the former is more intuitive, but it's not a huge
issue for me either way.

-b3

-- 
Brent Bourgoine
brent.bourgoine at gmail.com


From cryo at diku.dk  Tue Oct 19 01:45:36 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:45:36 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Find & Replace problems in b8
Message-ID: <92F712E0-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

A few Find&Replace problems:

1. If you Replace and Find without a prior Find, it will just insert 
the replace text at the carret. This could be a feature, but I think it 
would be better if it just did a Find in that case instead.

2. When a window is outof focus, selection highlighting is dimmed. This 
makes it _very_ hard to see where Find has found a particular word 
since the Find window is the active one during F&R.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From cryo at diku.dk  Tue Oct 19 01:47:21 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 03:47:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change of 'select line' hotkey...
Message-ID: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

I don't know if TM now sucks less for germans but when I press 
alt-shift-L to select the current line, I get a fl ligature character 
instead :-p.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From chris at cjack.com  Tue Oct 19 03:00:42 2004
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:00:42 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <67298680-2168-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<67298680-2168-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <107D0F62-217B-11D9-A6A8-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>


On Oct 18, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>
>> Perhaps I could suggest that you guys who know and understand this 
>> stuff could create a ShellScriptCorner on the wiki where you could 
>> translate the incomprehensible stuff into examples and ENGLISH for us 
>> non-geek's. Because the writers of man files and online UNIX guides 
>> sure as hell hasn't.
>
> It's a good idea, though personally I'm probably better at answering 
> concrete questions than writing general tutorials/documentation.

On Oct 18, 2004, at 5:47 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:


Perhaps I could suggest that you guys who know and understand this 
stuff could create a ShellScriptCorner on the wiki where you could 
translate the incomprehensible stuff into examples and ENGLISH for us 
non-geek's. Because the writers of man files and online UNIX guides 
sure as hell hasn't.

It's a good idea, though personally I'm probably better at answering 
concrete questions than writing general tutorials/documentation.

My recommendation would be to?buy a copy of the Ruby Pickaxe 
<http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/titles/ruby/> and write all of your 
shell scripts that will?be executed inline in TextMate?thusly:

ruby <<END
#...place ruby code here...
puts "$TM_FILEPATH" # for example
END

This might be easier if one could directly specify the interpreter to 
be used (like /usr/bin/ruby instead of sh) for a given 
script/scriptlet, in the manner of Xcode's shell script build phases.

Chris



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Tue Oct 19 04:13:00 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:13:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
Message-ID: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi All,

    I'm trying to create a new command to submit current file to W3C
html validator. This one does not work :
    open http://validator.w3.org/check/$TM_FILEPATH

    Of cours I could install the validator directly in MacOS X as
<http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html> but the
first way seemed easier.

    Any idea?

    Have a nice day,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From justin.french at indent.com.au  Tue Oct 19 04:39:25 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:39:25 +1000
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 19/10/2004, at 2:13 PM, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     Hi All,
>
>     I'm trying to create a new command to submit current file to W3C
> html validator. This one does not work :
>     open http://validator.w3.org/check/$TM_FILEPATH
>
>     Of cours I could install the validator directly in MacOS X as
> <http://developer.apple.com/internet/opensource/validator.html> but the
> first way seemed easier.
>
>     Any idea?

I don't think you can do this.  The W3's validator either needs a 
publicly available URL, or it needs a file to be uploaded.  The file 
upload is done over POST (not GET, which is the URL), so for TM to send 
a file to the validator over POST, it would need to pretend to be a 
user uploading a file with a POST form...

I know TM can't do this, but perhaps it can interact with a library 
that can, but it certainly won't be easy at all.

Justin



From thebrier at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 04:43:23 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 00:43:23 -0400
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>

As Justin said, you need to be able to upload the local file via an
HTTP POST.  You can use 'curl' to do this.  The following seems to
work.  It calls curl, collects the results in a temporary file, and
then opens that file.

    curl -o /tmp/`id -u`/results.html -F
uploaded_file=@$TM_FILEPATH\;type=text/html
http://validator.w3.org/check && open /tmp/`id -u`/results.html


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Tue Oct 19 05:10:51 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:10:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1glw5uv.106g37u42wjnkM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Chris Brierley <thebrier at gmail.com> wrote:

> As Justin said, you need to be able to upload the local file via an
> HTTP POST.  You can use 'curl' to do this.  The following seems to
> work.  It calls curl, collects the results in a temporary file, and
> then opens that file.
> 
>     curl -o /tmp/`id -u`/results.html -F
> uploaded_file=@$TM_FILEPATH\;type=text/html
> http://validator.w3.org/check && open /tmp/`id -u`/results.html

    OK, not really understanding what all this mean, but I've just
copy-pasted it and it *works fine*. Perhaps this could be added in the
standard Commands, alongside with CSS validator and so on?

(Trying to modify the command for CSS validator does not seem to work :
    curl -o /tmp/`id -u`/results.html -F
uploaded_file=@$TM_FILEPATH\;type=text/css
http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/check && open /tmp/`id
-u`/results.html )

    Thanks a lot to both and have a nice day|night,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Tue Oct 19 05:59:37 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:59:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <b44dd666041018223331e3fcc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1glw8te.1haj27ny6ilc4M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

> 
> The CSS validator uses a different form variable and a different URL.
> This seems to work (Gmail is going to break this up into multiple
> lines ... be sure it's all one line in TextMate):
> 
> curl -o /tmp/`id -u`/results.html -F file=@$TM_FILEPATH
> http://jigsaw.w3.org/css-validator/validator && open /tmp/`id
> -u`/results.html

    OK, very nice, it works fine :)

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

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From andrew at article7.co.uk  Tue Oct 19 06:55:39 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:55:39 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <4A2E9414-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041018143223043730.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>
	<4A2E9414-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041019075539237641.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:17:40 +1000, Justin French wrote:

> Yes, but it's a flawed analogy for "tabs" and their function.

Fair enough.  FWIW, I really like Juan's "Tiger blue" approach as well.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 19 08:00:20 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:00:20 +0100
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>

Chris Brierley wrote:
> As Justin said, you need to be able to upload the local file via an
> HTTP POST.  You can use 'curl' to do this.  The following seems to
> work.  It calls curl, collects the results in a temporary file, and
> then opens that file.
> 
>     curl -o /tmp/`id -u`/results.html -F
> uploaded_file=@$TM_FILEPATH\;type=text/html
> http://validator.w3.org/check && open /tmp/`id -u`/results.html

Thanks for this, Chris. Nice job.


drew.


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Tue Oct 19 08:30:51 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:30:51 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <927D6A30-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>
	<927D6A30-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041019083051.GA30770@tara.freenix.org>

According to Justin French:
> I really like this... will talk with Allan about it today.

It is nice yes but please everyone don't forget that having things standing
out too much take the eyes from the text and that is not good as the main
purpose f TM is to write text... :-)

Eye candy is nice but not everywere.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From jamie at soniciq.com  Tue Oct 19 08:34:48 2004
From: jamie at soniciq.com (James Hill)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:34:48 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Window splitting
In-Reply-To: <20041018193015.6943C4B0@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041018193015.6943C4B0@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <BD077BDE-21A9-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>

With regards to Allans comment about the window splitting, this would  
be great as I have a couple of guys who won't move from JEdit because  
of this one feature. They are doing PHP, XHTML and CSS.

Keep up the good work, this is turning out to be a cracking little  
editor.


On 18 Oct 2004, at 20:30, textmate-request at lists.macromates.com wrote:

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> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Window splitting? (Allan Odgaard)
>    2. Re: Shift Left, Shift Right (jeremy*pinnix)
>    3. Re: Left Padding (Allan Odgaard)
>    4. Leave the tabs as they were (James Hill)
>    5. Show Web Preview... options ( Jos? Campos )
>    6. Re: Re: folding idea (Ivan Pan)
>    7. Re: TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues (Allan Odgaard)
>    8. Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (Andrew Green)
>    9. Re: Couple little gnats (Phil Aaronson)
>   10. Re: suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets (Raena Armitage)
>   11. Re: b7 project drawer visuals (jeremy*pinnix)
>
> From: Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:19:49 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>, Ivan Pan  
> <ifanpan at gmail.com>
> Cc: Subject: Re: [TextMate] Window splitting?
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:47, Ivan Pan wrote:
>
>> Just a suggestion. Maybe lay out a roadmap or a check list, so we
>> won't keep nagging you about something that's already in the work.
>
> I have considered that, but I fear that it may actually lead to the  
> opposite situation, also I really cannot make any estimates to when  
> what will happen -- people should consider, ?is this a common editor  
> feature?? if the answer is yes, most likely I know about it and  
> eventually plan to get around to it ;)
>
> For now there is the feature requests in the wiki -- I do read these,  
> but currently do not comment on when what is planned.
>
>> It's already a great text editor and certainly an editor that would
>> make BBEdit worry. Keep up the good work.
>
> That's another reason, don't want to give them too much insight in  
> planned features, as some stuff is sort of "new" :)
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: jeremy*pinnix <jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:22:50 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Shift Left, Shift Right
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> Option-Tab for shifting to the right
> Shift-Option-Tab for shifting to the left
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 11:05 AM, Michael Gregoire wrote:
>
>> Ok, there is one nagging problem I've been having that no one has  
>> seemed to bring up yet. What is the arrow symbol (for Shift Left and  
>> Shift Right) equivalent to on my powerbook? I've checked the Mac help  
>> and the symbol isn't even listed in it's Special Key guide. I've  
>> attached a screenshot of the help page, as you can see it's not  
>> there. I've tried every combination of keys that I can think of, but  
>> nothing works. I have to resort to choosing it from the menu.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:41740bd42504201718993!
>> <Picture 3.pdf>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> !DSPAM:41740bd42504201718993!
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>
>
>
>
>
> From: Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:23:57 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Left Padding
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 16:01, Michael Sheets wrote:
>
>>> There already is 2 pixels?!?
>> Sorry, I meant 2-3 more, not total. If the small padding is so good  
>> why is there more on the top? ;)
>
> That's a bug! ;)
>
> Well, I think I initially did 6 pixels on each of the sides, but when  
> I added gutter-stuff, I made it 2 pixels between folding-markers and  
> end of gutter (and/or line numbers etc.), so I removed some to make it  
> symmetrical.
>
> I don't like too much padding, e.g. NSTextView seems to be using 1.5  
> times the width of a character or so, and that makes it hard for me to  
> see how much stuff is indented.
>
> But I can probably be persuaded to add two more pixels.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: James Hill <jamie at soniciq.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:28:19 BST
> To: textmate at lists.macromates.com
> Subject: [TextMate] Leave the tabs as they were
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> I thing the tabs should be as they were in the first release. Clean  
> and just fine. Too many programs today end up with fancy bevels etc  
> all over the place. Keep it clean and lightweight I say.
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 19:18, textmate-request at lists.macromates.com wrote:
>
>> Send textmate mailing list submissions to
>> 	textmate at lists.macromates.com
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>>
>>    1. Re: tabs, tabs, tabs (C J Silverio)
>>
>> From: C J Silverio <ceej at spies.com>
>> Date: 18 October 2004 19:08:57 BST
>> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
>> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>>
>>
>> On Oct 18, 2004, at 6:02 AM, Justin French wrote:
>>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the  
>>> selected tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and  
>>> it does have some issues in regards to the colour of the document  
>>> (eg Ruby's black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.   
>>> One day maybe :)
>>
>> You might find something to use in Camino's take:
>> <CaminoSnap001.png>
>>
>> The selected tab bleeds into a stripe that goes across the window,
>> but is still separate from the document display. This helps indicate
>> "this tab is live", but doesn't war with the rendered page.
>>
>> --ceej
>>
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>>
>
> From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (Jos? Campos)
> Date: 18 October 2004 16:44:07 BST
> To: textmate at lists.macromates.com (TM Users)
> Subject: [TextMate] Show Web Preview... options
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
>     Hi,
>
>     "Show Web Preview" is very nice but...
>
>     + on a computer where PHP is enabled,
>     + for files that are located somewhere in the ~/Sites/ folder,
>     + instead of opening them as :
>         "file:///Users/jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
>     + it would be nicer to open them as :
>         "http://127.0.0.1/~jo/Sites/path/to/file.php"
>
>     ...so that the PHP code could be fully seen
>
>     Have a nice day,
>
> --  
>   Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ;  
> N:47?15'36">
>
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>
>
>
>
> From: Ivan Pan <ifanpan at gmail.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 15:34:56 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Re: folding idea
> Reply-To: Ivan Pan <ifanpan at gmail.com>, TM Users  
> <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 13:51:11 +0100, Chris Jenkins  
> <chrisjenkins at mac.com> wrote:
>> Here's a screenshot. The vertical lines join identical levels of  
>> hierarchy
>> and should always be paired with a set of folding markers in the  
>> gutter (I
>> changed the folding icons), perhaps the joining lines could in some  
>> way also
>> be clickable? Im not sure about this however, I principally see it as  
>> a way
>> of identifying which close bracket belongs to which opening bracket  
>> over
>> long pieces of code that cant all fit on screen at a time.
>
> 1. tab icons: more visually intuitive that what we have, though I am
> fine with what we have.
> 2. connector's subbranch: I like the idea to have multiple folding
> markers within the same indentation.
> 3. explicit folding markers: I want to be able to clear some of the
> markers in the gutter by manually setting the marking. I sometimes
> have too many markers together.
>
> ip
>
>
>
>
> From: Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:44:00 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] TM 1.0.1b7: Switching Tabs issues
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Mats Persson wrote:
>
>> When you switch between tabs (open docs) your window moves to centre  
>> the current line where the cursor happens to be.  Although I can't  
>> swear that this was not the case before, I had not noticed it, but  
>> now I do, and it is a bit irritating.
>
> It has always been the case ;) I realize that not all like it, since  
> some e.g. scroll w/o moving the caret.  It'll be improved down the  
> road.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Andrew Green <andrew at article7.co.uk>
> Date: 18 October 2004 14:32:23 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 23:02:35 +1000, Justin French wrote:
>
>> For what it's worth (Drew, et al), yes, I'd love to have the selected
>> tab bleed into the document, but Allan doesn't dig it, and it does
>> have some issues in regards to the colour of the document (eg Ruby's
>> black) which are a not exactly simple to work around.
>
> I think the reason this seems necessary is the way that the tabs adjoin
> the document area.  You'll notice that Safari puts the tabs the other
> way up, so that they adjoin the toolbar instead.
>
> Admittedly, TM doesn't have a toolbar, but I do wonder if the tabs
> would work the other way up anyway, adjoining the window title bar
> rather than the document area.  Sadly, no mockup is forthcoming from me
> on this!
>
> It could be a really bad idea, of course.  I'm just wondering.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrew.
> -- 
>                    ::
>       article seven       Andrew Green
>  automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk
>
>
>
>
> From: Phil Aaronson <phil at hinkty.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 19:53:30 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] Couple little gnats
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:35 AM, Jeroen wrote:
>
>> Phil Aaronson wrote:
>>> Sure, the output is plain text. I'm there. But TextMate doesn't  
>>> exist in a vacuum. We all use word processors. Take vim (I'm not a  
>>> BBEdit user which may be adding to my confusion here), if I fold  
>>> some text in vim, say ':.,.+5 fo' to fold the next 5 lines under the  
>>> cursor. Undo ('u') undoes the fold. Its what I've been trained to  
>>> expect.
>>
>> You're right, I thought Vim did not put folding on the undo stack,  
>> but it does indeed.
>
> For the record, in vim, undo also undoes text selection.
>
>> However, I still don't think it should be put on the undo stack,  
>> simply because it doesn't have anything to do with the text itself.
>
> I'm getting that impression :) Not that this is a big deal, but most  
> apps I use seem to break it down along command vs. setting line, not  
> content vs. representation of content. That said a command vs. setting  
> undo is a little more difficult line to walk with TextMate than a lot  
> of other apps.
>
>> And word processors != text editors, there's a world of difference  
>> between them.
>
> Fair enough.
>
> Phil
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Raena Armitage <raena at raena.net>
> Date: 18 October 2004 16:57:22 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] suggestion: Grouping the commands/snippets
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> On 18 Oct 2004, at 8:28 pm, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>> Currently there's no way to group (or drag-sort) the items. But it's  
>> something which'll be introduced real soon now! :)
>>
>> Though I'm still not entirely sure how to do it.
>
> Outline view would make the most sense to me as a user.
>
> Jos? Campos adds:
>>     Drawers, just like the project drawer would be nice, just add
>> radio-buttons in the tab bar to select which drawer to open
>> (Project-Command-Macros-Snippets-Clipboard history-Templates)
>
> ...that's a lot of things, and I personally wouldn't feel that the  
> project area (where documents live) is an appropriate place to also  
> find bundly things -- although I wouldn't find it strange to find  
> templates there.
>
> Perhaps the contextual menu could accommodate something, though?  
> Currently it has 'Filter through Command,' but perhaps some oft-used  
> snippets wouldn't go astray here?
>
>
>
>
> From: jeremy*pinnix <jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com>
> Date: 18 October 2004 14:26:39 BST
> To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
> Subject: Re: [TextMate] b7 project drawer visuals
> Reply-To: TM Users <textmate at lists.macromates.com>
>
>
> I would also prefer they not be bold. The folder icon is sufficient.
>
> On Oct 18, 2004, at 3:24 AM, Johan S?rensen wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I know I'm being anal about this, but then again I am a mac user, but
>> I'm not really sure I like the bold for the folders in the
>> projectdrawer. They are already plenty visually marked with the
>> standard mac os folder icon, no need to bold up the text, in fact,
>> this is probably the first application where I've seen this (afaik).
>> I'm also not too sure about the file-texts being ~80% black, but that
>> I can live with, it's just the boldness of the folders that's a little
>> too much!
>>
>> If you do want them to be like that, and I'm the only one bothered by
>> it, would it be possible for a way to turn them off? (preferably with
>> a defaults write)
>>
>> -- johan
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>> !DSPAM:41738104679981142865824!
>>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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From jamie at soniciq.com  Tue Oct 19 08:41:55 2004
From: jamie at soniciq.com (James Hill)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 09:41:55 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Suggestion: Jump to function/class/method
Message-ID: <BB845E5C-21AA-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>

A very handy little feature in jkEdit is the ability to jump to 
functions/classes/methods from a dropdown at the top of the page, is 
this viable? This along with the split views would keep my programmer 
(and I'm sure a lot more JEdit users) VERY happy.

Kind Regards,

Jamie



From infolists at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 08:44:19 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:44:19 +1000
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>

It's not working for me.

I get his back if I tell the command to report in a seperate window in TM:

"curl: option -F requires an extra argument!
curl: try 'curl --help' for more information
/bin/sh: line 3: http://validator.w3.org/check: No such file or directory"


bongoman


From infolists at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 08:59:43 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:59:43 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] tabs, tabs, tabs
In-Reply-To: <20041019083051.GA30770@tara.freenix.org>
References: <FAC89644-2105-11D9-B6C7-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<828d7fd304101810311c23b239@mail.gmail.com>
	<927D6A30-2164-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041019083051.GA30770@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804101901594a5986e5@mail.gmail.com>

There's also NetNewsWire's implementation of tabs. See attachment. 

I could see something like that working in TM esp. if we get a
function bar between the tabs and the text document.

bongoman
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From jeroen at je-ju.net  Tue Oct 19 09:03:07 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:03:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Suggestion: Jump to function/class/method
In-Reply-To: <BB845E5C-21AA-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>
References: <BB845E5C-21AA-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>
Message-ID: <4174D84B.3070106@je-ju.net>

James Hill wrote:
> A very handy little feature in jkEdit is the ability to jump to 
> functions/classes/methods from a dropdown at the top of the page, is 
> this viable? This along with the split views would keep my programmer 
> (and I'm sure a lot more JEdit users) VERY happy.

I second that. It makes life really alot easier (especially while the 
folding in python doesn't work 100% yet ;-P)

Jeroen.


From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 19 09:04:15 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:04:15 +0100
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>	<4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4174D88F.5000204@allinthehead.com>

bongoman wrote:
> It's not working for me.
> 
> I get his back if I tell the command to report in a seperate window in TM:
> 
> "curl: option -F requires an extra argument!
> curl: try 'curl --help' for more information
> /bin/sh: line 3: http://validator.w3.org/check: No such file or directory"

Make sure that the command is all on one line.

The document also needs to be saved for it to work, so I set my 
pre-action to save the active document. I also told it to discard the 
output, as the open command will spawn your default browser - there's 
not much useful output to TM itself.

drew.


From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 19 09:06:43 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:06:43 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Suggestion: Jump to function/class/method
In-Reply-To: <4174D84B.3070106@je-ju.net>
References: <BB845E5C-21AA-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>
	<4174D84B.3070106@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <4174D923.1050009@allinthehead.com>

Jeroen wrote:
> James Hill wrote:
> 
>> A very handy little feature in jkEdit is the ability to jump to 
>> functions/classes/methods from a dropdown at the top of the page, is 
>> this viable? This along with the split views would keep my programmer 
>> (and I'm sure a lot more JEdit users) VERY happy.
> 
> 
> I second that. It makes life really alot easier (especially while the 
> folding in python doesn't work 100% yet ;-P)

It's on the list already :)

http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/show/Feature+requests


drew.


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Tue Oct 19 09:16:42 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:16:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Speed problem when switching from tab to tab?
Message-ID: <20041019091642.GA35658@tara.freenix.org>

I'm on a 17" PB @ 1 GHz with 1 GB of RAM, running a few apps (mozilla, a
dozen iTerm, Mail.app, X, iTunes and TM).  In my current project I have 9
open files (a few hundred lines of Ruby total) and switching from file to
file take a noticable amount of time.  Am I the only one?
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Tue Oct 19 09:36:11 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 10:36:11 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Folding in text with no stop marker
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <504CEA30-21B2-11D9-91AB-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

Hi all,

I keep finding texts for which it seems impossible to define a stop 
marker for the folding.  These are block structures where the folding 
should strictly speaking stop - at the line before the one in which 
indentation returns to it's previous level.

That's clumsily expressed, but some examples include:

  - Cisco config files:

     line vty 0
         exec-timeout 0 0
         login local
         length 0
         width 134
     line vty 1 4
         exec-timeout 0 0
         password 7 1234
         login local
         length 0

- Python:

         def poll(self):
             if self.returncode == None:
                 if WaitForSingleObject(self._handle, 0) == 
WAIT_OBJECT_0:
                     self.returncode = GetExitCodeProcess(self._handle)
                     _active.remove(self)
             return self.returncode
         def doSomethingElse():
		return bah	

- Simple markup schemes such as Restructured Text, Markdown (?) etc.

Unless I've missed something (easily possible :), there doesn't seem to 
be any way of folding text of this sort.  I can't do it using regular 
expressions alone - and I imagine it will require a flag of some sort, 
or an editor variable (PreviousIndentLevel ??)  that can be defined as 
the "foldingStopMarker".

So, questions:

- Am I wrong? Does anyone know of a way to fold text of this sort?
- If not: is it possible that such functionality could be made 
available by the editor.  So that one can say "stop folding when the 
text returns to it's previous indent level".

Cheers,
-- Andre




From infolists at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 09:49:13 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:49:13 +1000
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <4174D88F.5000204@allinthehead.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174D88F.5000204@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d80410190249604b87be@mail.gmail.com>

I'm getting there....having followed those last few pointers, I'm
finding that results.html is being revealed in Finder rather than
opening in Safari, my default browser.

bongoman


From jeroen at je-ju.net  Tue Oct 19 09:51:38 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:51:38 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Folding in text with no stop marker
Message-ID: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>

There currently is no way to define foldingstopmarkers for these things.
Allan informed me that he is planning to rewrite the folding code so that 
it is possible to fold these things.

Jeroen.

PS. Please don't use reply on a message to start a new thread. It messes 
up the threading display in clients that support it.


From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Tue Oct 19 10:00:55 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:00:55 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] New tabs (b8)
Message-ID: <BD9AA468.534E%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

I think the new tabs are looking nice, the darker colour for deselected tabs
is clearer, (although I did like the blue original ones), but Im not sure
that the truncation of the width at 100 pixels is a good thing, if there is
enough space in the header bar then Id like to see the names in full,
perhaps the names could get truncated when the bar gets full up?

The new tabs would work well with a bar ala BBEdit with function list and
stuff in it, perhaps even the status bar could make its way back up to the
top? (see attached mockup).

Chris



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From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Tue Oct 19 10:00:20 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:00:20 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Speed problem when switching from tab to tab?
In-Reply-To: <20041019091642.GA35658@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041019091642.GA35658@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <AF6F1562-21B5-11D9-892B-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


On Oct 19, 2004, at 10:16, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> I'm on a 17" PB @ 1 GHz with 1 GB of RAM, running a few apps (mozilla, 
> a dozen iTerm, Mail.app, X, iTunes and TM).  In my current project I 
> have 9 open files (a few hundred lines of Ruby total) and switching 
> from file to file take a noticable amount of time.  Am I the only one?

No you're not Ollivier. I agree that this seems to have slowed down 
somewhat since 1.0 (using 1.0.1b7). But then I'm also using a 5 1/2 
years old B&W G3, so I have just accepted it. : )  (and NO, I'm not 
mad, just been very sick and unable to afford a new computer for over 3 
years )

Kind regards,

Mats



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Tue Oct 19 10:03:48 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:03:48 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Folding in text with no stop marker
In-Reply-To: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
References: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <2B88881E-21B6-11D9-91AB-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

On 19 Oct 2004, at 10:51, Jeroen wrote:

> There currently is no way to define foldingstopmarkers for these 
> things.
> Allan informed me that he is planning to rewrite the folding code so 
> that it is possible to fold these things.

Bliss!!

> PS. Please don't use reply on a message to start a new thread. It 
> messes up the threading display in clients that support it.

- not to mention the HTML archive!  Ouch.  Sorry...

-- Andre





From dameron at body-knowledge.com  Tue Oct 19 10:28:28 2004
From: dameron at body-knowledge.com (Dameron Midgette)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 06:28:28 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Suggestion: Jump to function/class/method
In-Reply-To: <BB845E5C-21AA-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>
References: <BB845E5C-21AA-11D9-8C5B-000A95BAB074@soniciq.com>
Message-ID: <9DF6713C-21B9-11D9-BA52-000A95E98636@body-knowledge.com>

Hi!
     You may have seen this already, but this
http://www.rousette.org.uk/blog/archives/2004/10/11/a-makeshift- 
navigation-pane-for-textmate/
might help a bit in the meantime?

											Cheers,

											Dameron
On Oct 19, 2004, at 04:41, James Hill wrote:

> A very handy little feature in jkEdit is the ability to jump to  
> functions/classes/methods from a dropdown at the top of the page, is  
> this viable? This along with the split views would keep my programmer  
> (and I'm sure a lot more JEdit users) VERY happy.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jamie
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Tue Oct 19 10:49:24 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:49:24 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] File path
Message-ID: <8AA49358-21BC-11D9-8E89-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>

Hello,

Is there any easy way to get the path of a file if you haven't opened 
it in a project window?

Today I had to edit two csv files in different directories with the 
same filename, copy parts between files. It got very confusing very 
quickly!

Something in the statusbar perhaps, or a tooltip when you rest over the 
window title?

Thanks,

Richard



From jimm at io.com  Tue Oct 19 11:02:52 2004
From: jimm at io.com (Jim Menard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 07:02:52 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: per-file-type commands
Message-ID: <6C23EAE4-21BE-11D9-86EF-000393760292@io.com>

It would be nice if I could specify a per-file-type command. The same 
key stroke would run different commands for different file types. For 
example, I'd like to run "rake" for Ruby files, "ant" for Java, etc.

Actually, I'd like TextMate to read my mind and figure out if I use 
make or Ant for a particular project. Hmm...that gives me an idea for a 
script: start at the current directory, looking for a makefile, 
Rakefile, or Ant build.xml file. If none is found, look in the parent 
directory. Lather. Rinse. Repeat. Execute whichever comes first. I 
already have a script that looks for makefiles this way; it shouldn't 
be too difficult to modify to look for the three kinds of files.

Here's a really wacky feature request: a way to specify an argument to 
the command each time I run it. When I'm developing, sometimes I want 
to run "make" then "make set-up-test-data" then "make test", or do 
things in a different order.

Thanks for listening.

Jim
-- 
Jim Menard, jimm at io.com, http://www.io.com/~jimm/
"Indeed, an upsettingly large part of academia right now seems to be
working on bringing Java into the 1980s... sigh." -- Avi Bryant



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 11:09:25 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:09:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] File path
In-Reply-To: <8AA49358-21BC-11D9-8E89-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
References: <8AA49358-21BC-11D9-8E89-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <560BA27C-21BF-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Richard Chamberlain wrote:

> Is there any easy way to get the path of a file if you haven't opened 
> it in a project window?

You can hover over the tab to get a tooltip, or you can hold down 
command and click the proxy icon in the window title bar.


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 19 11:10:30 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:10:30 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] File path
In-Reply-To: <8AA49358-21BC-11D9-8E89-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
References: <8AA49358-21BC-11D9-8E89-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <4174F626.9030603@allinthehead.com>

Richard Chamberlain wrote:

> Is there any easy way to get the path of a file if you haven't opened it 
> in a project window?

Richard, you can Command-click on the file name in the title bar.

drew.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 11:11:53 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:11:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Feature request: per-file-type commands
In-Reply-To: <6C23EAE4-21BE-11D9-86EF-000393760292@io.com>
References: <6C23EAE4-21BE-11D9-86EF-000393760292@io.com>
Message-ID: <AE4B1B6C-21BF-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 13:02, Jim Menard wrote:

> It would be nice if I could specify a per-file-type command. The same 
> key stroke would run different commands for different file types. For 
> example, I'd like to run "rake" for Ruby files, "ant" for Java, etc.

As of such, you can check the extension in your command by looking at 
$TM_FILEPATH

> Here's a really wacky feature request: a way to specify an argument to 
> the command each time I run it. When I'm developing, sometimes I want 
> to run "make" then "make set-up-test-data" then "make test", or do 
> things in a different order.

I think this will be possible when I introduce project-specific shell 
variables, as requested by Ivan (IIRC).


Kind regards Allan



From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Tue Oct 19 11:31:53 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 12:31:53 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] File path
In-Reply-To: <560BA27C-21BF-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <8AA49358-21BC-11D9-8E89-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
	<560BA27C-21BF-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
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On 19 Oct 2004, at 12:09, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 19. Oct 2004, at 12:49, Richard Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> Is there any easy way to get the path of a file if you haven't opened 
>> it in a project window?
>
> You can hover over the tab to get a tooltip, or you can hold down 
> command and click the proxy icon in the window title bar.

Oh yes so you can.

Thanks,

Richard



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Tue Oct 19 12:24:42 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 14:24:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] File creation
Message-ID: <4175078A.6040109@je-ju.net>

Hi,

There seems to be a small problem with registering files in projects. I 
created a new file, dragged a folder to the project pane and created a 
new 'normal' project folder. In that new folder I created a new file, 
which then also shows up in the 'finder' folder. I end up with two 
references to the same file in the project drawer and have to remove 
either one by hand.

Another small thing is that commands that are run by TextMate are not 
killed once I kill TextMate using Force Quit. Not sure whether this is a 
problem of TextMate or from how job management works on OS X.


Jeroen.


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Tue Oct 19 12:38:56 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 13:38:56 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <67298680-2168-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<67298680-2168-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <D76BAF06-21CB-11D9-A0BD-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


On Oct 19, 2004, at 01:47, Allan Odgaard wrote in reply to Mats' 
numerous questions:

> Not sure how much shell stuff you know!?!

Hmm, well not enough it seems. : )  Have written a number of 
conditional shell scripts that create back-ups of MySQL DBs; httpd.conf 
files and so on which in my world is pretty advanced.  My problem has 
more to do with understanding the logic behind it all. Sort of why do I 
do this rather than that ???  Never been good at grammar, so I am slow 
in understanding the underlying structure of the shell world, and I end 
up being confused.

Hence I did not realise that I just needed the 'echo' in there, which 
is obvious to me now.  Thanks for taking the time to point that out for 
me. Both you & Sune. Much appreciated.


>> Perhaps I could suggest that you guys who know and understand this 
>> stuff could create a ShellScriptCorner on the wiki where you could 
>> translate the incomprehensible stuff into examples and ENGLISH for us 
>> non-geek's. Because the writers of man files and online UNIX guides 
>> sure as hell hasn't.
> It's a good idea, though personally I'm probably better at answering 
> concrete questions than writing general tutorials/documentation.

I created such a page on the wiki, and will try to get the above 
problem up there as an example in the next few days.


Kind regards,

Mats



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Tue Oct 19 14:17:35 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:17:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Error message
Message-ID: <417521FF.6000404@je-ju.net>

What's this supposed to mean?

2004-10-19 16:15:12.032 TextMate[624] Another workaround for GCC

My console log is full of these messages...

Jeroen.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 14:27:30 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:27:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Error message
In-Reply-To: <417521FF.6000404@je-ju.net>
References: <417521FF.6000404@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <022A2F4A-21DB-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 16:17, Jeroen wrote:

> What's this supposed to mean?
>
> 2004-10-19 16:15:12.032 TextMate[624] Another workaround for GCC
>
> My console log is full of these messages...

Sorry about that, but gcc do at times produce broken code. Sometimes I 
spend hours investigating what the exact cause is and tailer my code to 
not trigger the problem, other times I just throw in an NSLog or 
similar, which seems to shake up the register/stack allocation enough 
to not show the problem -- this is one of the latter cases...


Kind regards Allan



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Tue Oct 19 14:28:37 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:28:37 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] XML Bundle
Message-ID: <41752495.4060503@je-ju.net>

Hi,

Does anyone happen to download the XML Bundle? The site is currently down 
and I'm interested in using it...

Jeroen.


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Tue Oct 19 14:34:27 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 15:34:27 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Feature Request: Per Project Shell Variables
Message-ID: <FAB20E95-21DB-11D9-A0BD-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


On Oct 19, 2004, at 12:11, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> Here's a really wacky feature request: a way to specify an argument 
>> to the command each time I run it. When I'm developing, sometimes I 
>> want to run "make" then "make set-up-test-data" then "make test", or 
>> do things in a different order.
>
> I think this will be possible when I introduce project-specific shell 
> variables, as requested by Ivan (IIRC).

In a very spooky coincidence I was just writing an e-mail with this 
feature request when the above appeared in my inbox. : )

So here's my take on project-specific shell variables. As a web 
developer I have a number of current projects on the go in my  ~Sites 
folder. For each project I have a number of variables that are common 
and would ideally be possible to collect and auto-enter into new files 
or Macros.

Examples:
Project Dev URL: (local desktop URL)
Project Live URL:
ClientName:
Development Version:
etc etc.

So I was thinking that we could have the following section in the 
.tmproj file, (which is a .plist file really):

<key>ProjectShellVariables</key>
<dict>
	<key>TM_PROJECT_CLIENTNAME</key>
	<string>MacroMates.</string>
	<key>TM_PROJECT_VERSION</key>
	<string>1.0</string>
	<key>TM_PROJECT_LIVEURL</key>
	<string>http://www.macromates.com/</string>
	<key> TM_PROJECT_DEVURL</key>
	<string>http://macromates.dev/</string>
</dict>


Later on there could be a GUI for this functionality as well - sort of 
a copy of Macros/Snippets/Commands window -, but to begin with we could 
open the .tmproj file in TM / Property List Editor and add/change our 
own variables.

If these variables could be accessed in Snippets, Commands and when 
creating new files as well it would be even greater.


Also if the .tmproj file could remember the toggled state of 
groups/directories inside the project drawer  when closing the project 
it would be great as well.


Kind regards,

Mats



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 14:45:12 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:45:12 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Speed problem when switching from tab to tab?
In-Reply-To: <20041019091642.GA35658@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041019091642.GA35658@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <7B82BDD3-21DD-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 11:16, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> [...] and switching from file to file take a noticable amount of time. 
>  Am I the only one?

I have noticed here that switching with the mouse using the tabs has a 
slight delay, but using the key board is near instant -- don't really 
know why...

That said, there's a lot of stuff to be optimized in TextMate, but 
currently I'm focusing on functionality and look'n'feel, then I'll get 
around to optimizing it.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 14:59:49 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:59:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Find & Replace problems in b8
In-Reply-To: <92F712E0-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <92F712E0-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <86247EDE-21DF-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 3:45, Sune Foldager wrote:

> 1. If you Replace and Find without a prior Find, it will just insert 
> the replace text at the carret. This could be a feature, but I think 
> it would be better if it just did a Find in that case instead.

The system behaves the same. It's not that easy for me to detect if a 
previous find was done, so at least it'll have to wait if it has to be 
done.

> 2. When a window is outof focus, selection highlighting is dimmed. 
> This makes it _very_ hard to see where Find has found a particular 
> word since the Find window is the active one during F&R.

I've changed it so that it's only dimmed a bit when the window is still 
main (but not key) -- though you may want to change your selection 
color.


Kind regards Allan



From juananorga at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 15:40:42 2004
From: juananorga at gmail.com (Juan Anorga)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 08:40:42 -0700
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <828d7fd3041019084023b518dd@mail.gmail.com>

> It's not working for me.
> 
> I get his back if I tell the command to report in a seperate window in TM:
> 
> "curl: option -F requires an extra argument!
> curl: try 'curl --help' for more information
> /bin/sh: line 3: http://validator.w3.org/check: No such file or directory"


This happen to me too. It was because when I pasted it in to tm it had
line breaks. Paste it into a new document and remove all the line
breaks then copy and paste it into a new command.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 15:57:56 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 17:57:56 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change of 'select line' hotkey...
In-Reply-To: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <A4BA2A7A-21E7-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 3:47, Sune Foldager wrote:

> I don't know if TM now sucks less for germans but when I press 
> alt-shift-L to select the current line, I get a fl ligature character 
> instead :-p.

Probably because you do not use the _default_ key bindings? ;)


Kind regards Allan



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 16:13:35 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:13:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Custom Shell Variables question
In-Reply-To: <107D0F62-217B-11D9-A6A8-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
References: <7495B92A-1EDB-11D9-8838-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<9B5164EC-1EE2-11D9-A9D6-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<C61757AC-1F72-11D9-9CF6-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<95311C14-1F77-11D9-B293-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<913F1E16-210A-11D9-9F43-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<67298680-2168-11D9-840C-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<107D0F62-217B-11D9-A6A8-000A95A89C98@cjack.com>
Message-ID: <f888a1904101909136dc4a18b@mail.gmail.com>

> This might be easier if one could directly specify the interpreter to
> be used (like /usr/bin/ruby instead of sh) for a given
> script/scriptlet, in the manner of Xcode's shell script build phases.

Made a *quick* mock up on this, the small textarea, is insufficient
for some commands, so
how about using the editor itself to write it! Question is then,
Should the script be stored in a standalone file, or the plist like
today.

hp.
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From cryo at diku.dk  Tue Oct 19 18:47:41 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:47:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change of 'select line' hotkey...
In-Reply-To: <A4BA2A7A-21E7-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<A4BA2A7A-21E7-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <5B26F344-21FF-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 19. okt 2004, at 17:57, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 19. Oct 2004, at 3:47, Sune Foldager wrote:
>
>> I don't know if TM now sucks less for germans but when I press 
>> alt-shift-L to select the current line, I get a fl ligature character 
>> instead :-p.
>
> Probably because you do not use the _default_ key bindings? ;)

Right... that's a little bit of a problem I think, since I made a copy 
of the original into lib/app sup/TM/ ... so I have to merge them with 
each release or do the keys in the personal one just overshadow the 
other ones per key? The latter would be prefered I think... otherwise 
you might miss new hotkeys unless you keep your copy up-to-date.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From thebrier at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 20:17:40 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:17:40 -0400
Subject: [TextMate][command] W3C validator
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d80410190249604b87be@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1glw3l0.1ocbdbe16ji4e8M%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
	<DABDA68F-2188-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<b44dd666041018214317c4368b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174C994.5040401@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d804101901445824749b@mail.gmail.com>
	<4174D88F.5000204@allinthehead.com>
	<8d5544d80410190249604b87be@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b44dd66604101913171947212a@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 19:49:13 +1000, bongoman <infolists at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm finding that results.html is being revealed in Finder rather than
> opening in Safari, my default browser.

Hm.  If the open command is getting the full path to the file I don't
know why it would reveal it rather than show it.  Are you sure you
don't have any newlines or spaces in there where they shouldn't be? 
E.g. maybe it's really running 'open /tmp/`id -u`/' instead of the
full path to the file?  What happens if you double-click on
results.html in the Finder?

You can always change the open call to 'open -a Safari /tmp/`id
-u`/results.html' which forces open to use Safari ... on the other
hand it doesn't really sound like that's where your problem lies.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 19 20:28:16 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:28:16 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change of 'select line' hotkey...
In-Reply-To: <5B26F344-21FF-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<A4BA2A7A-21E7-11D9-B460-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<5B26F344-21FF-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <68182347-220D-11D9-B3A1-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 19. Oct 2004, at 20:47, Sune Foldager wrote:

> Right... that's a little bit of a problem I think, since I made a copy 
> of the original into lib/app sup/TM/ ... so I have to merge them with 
> each release

Well, it's not really like I introduce 17 new keys with each beta ;)

> or do the keys in the personal one just overshadow the other ones per 
> key? The latter would be prefered I think...

No, because then in previous versions, Germans wouldn't have been able 
to remove the option-l key binding.

When I do an in-app key editor, I'll be sure only to store the 
differences though.


Kind regards Allan



From thebrier at gmail.com  Tue Oct 19 20:39:24 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:39:24 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Folding in text with no stop marker
In-Reply-To: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
References: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <b44dd66604101913392f738b32@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 11:51:38 +0200, Jeroen <jeroen at je-ju.net> wrote:
> Allan informed me that he is planning to rewrite the folding code so that
> it is possible to fold these things.

Alright, I'm going to make one more suggestion about folding and then
shut up about it until we see what Allan comes up with when he has
time get to this (though I'd love to hear about the direction of this
development).  :)

I've noticed other editors have a folding mode based on indentation. 
Basically, all blocks of text with the same indentation become folds
(with the start being the first line outdented from the block and the
end being the last indented line).

It seems to me this would work perfectly for Python and the other
cases that Andre mentioned.  I also think it would work for most cases
of "sanely" written code, without having to specify start and stop
markers in the bundles.

Just a thought.  Thanks.


From noel at noeljackson.com  Tue Oct 19 22:02:32 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel D.Jackson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 18:02:32 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Request for Folding
In-Reply-To: <b44dd66604101913392f738b32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
	<b44dd66604101913392f738b32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9388E08C-221A-11D9-A5D9-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

A little suggestion for folding:

When there is the elipsis with a bunch of code in it, don't make it so 
easy to erase this whole chunk of code, just by deleting that elipsis. 
Perhaps when deleting that elipsis, make it beep, flash, or perhaps 
actually go into the code backwards, deleting normally. If you want to 
delete the whole chunk, you should have to do something a little more 
than hit backspace, perhaps, alt+backspace or right select with mouse 
then delete. Or maybe just a preference "Don't allow the deletion of 
folds with backspace"

Follow me?

Just a suggestion.

-Noel



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Tue Oct 19 22:12:19 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 23:12:19 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Folding in text with no stop marker
In-Reply-To: <b44dd66604101913392f738b32@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
	<b44dd66604101913392f738b32@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F1BB6016-221B-11D9-91AB-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>

On 19 Oct 2004, at 21:39, Chris Brierley wrote:

> It seems to me this would work perfectly for Python and the other
> cases that Andre mentioned.  I also think it would work for most cases
> of "sanely" written code, without having to specify start and stop
> markers in the bundles.

Agree, but I think you need both...

Certainly, if TM is to support folding for Python, then a mode that 
works on purely on indentation is essential.  (For those not familiar 
with it, indentation _is_ the block structure in Python code).

But for languages that do define block start and end 'markers', I'm 
sure people want the flexibility to be able to put those markers where 
they see fit - and not be restricted to a particular style of 
indentation.  C is a good example of a language in which people become 
attached (sometimes to the point of terminal neurosis ;), to a 
particular block style - and not always one that strictly follows the 
rules of indentation.

I think my favourite solution would be to have 'indentation-based' 
folding as a default, which could then be overridden by the definition 
of start / stop markers. (Either or both).

I'll shut up now too ..

Cheers,
-- Andre



From phil at hinkty.com  Tue Oct 19 23:18:29 2004
From: phil at hinkty.com (Phil Aaronson)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:18:29 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Folding in text with no stop marker
In-Reply-To: <F1BB6016-221B-11D9-91AB-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
References: <4174E3AA.1020300@je-ju.net>
	<b44dd66604101913392f738b32@mail.gmail.com>
	<F1BB6016-221B-11D9-91AB-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>
Message-ID: <2F99B216-2225-11D9-AABC-000D935044AC@hinkty.com>

Hi All,

I might as well toss out another wrinkle in the fold behavior (yeah 
yeah bad pun). My ideal fold would include both code block and the 
comments that precede it. Not sure if begin/end or indent can do that. 
I tried playing around with the begin/end tags and didn't get anywhere. 
But if we could, somehow, along with THAT, It would be sweet to be able 
to specify comment directives that remain outside the fold.

So if I had:

/**
* this is long winded comments.
* @fold the good stuff
* more long winded comments.
* @fold more good stuff
* @param $gaa lalala
*/
function goo($gaa = "lalala") {
	blah;
	blah;
	blah;
}

and if I specified @fold directives as "special", then that would get 
folded into one fold "block"/logical unit/thing as:

* the good stuff
* more good stuff
function goo($gaa = "lalala") ...

Thought I'd just toss that out there. And if my last suggestion that we 
should include fold commands in the undo stack is any indication ... 
I'll duck now :)

Phil

On Oct 19, 2004, at 3:12 PM, Andre Posumentov wrote:

> On 19 Oct 2004, at 21:39, Chris Brierley wrote:
>
>> It seems to me this would work perfectly for Python and the other
>> cases that Andre mentioned.  I also think it would work for most cases
>> of "sanely" written code, without having to specify start and stop
>> markers in the bundles.
>
> Agree, but I think you need both...
>
> Certainly, if TM is to support folding for Python, then a mode that 
> works on purely on indentation is essential.  (For those not familiar 
> with it, indentation _is_ the block structure in Python code).
>
> But for languages that do define block start and end 'markers', I'm 
> sure people want the flexibility to be able to put those markers where 
> they see fit - and not be restricted to a particular style of 
> indentation.  C is a good example of a language in which people become 
> attached (sometimes to the point of terminal neurosis ;), to a 
> particular block style - and not always one that strictly follows the 
> rules of indentation.
>
> I think my favourite solution would be to have 'indentation-based' 
> folding as a default, which could then be overridden by the definition 
> of start / stop markers. (Either or both).
>
> I'll shut up now too ..
>
> Cheers,
> -- Andre
>
> _______________________________________________
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 02:04:30 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 16:04:30 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity
In-Reply-To: <41739B48.60602@allinthehead.com>
References: <41739B48.60602@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <60EA2E2E-223C-11D9-BD5B-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>




On Oct 18, 2004, at 12:30 AM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> I'm not sure if this relates to my system or a particular 
> (undocumented) tweak in the latest build, but all the outstanding text 
> peculiarities have cleared up.

After reading this: http://typographi.com/000744.php

and trying lots of fonts, I got this: http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm

for which my eyes thank me.

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its worked flawlessly in TM since day one.

From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct 20 03:06:48 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:06:48 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity
In-Reply-To: <60EA2E2E-223C-11D9-BD5B-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <41739B48.60602@allinthehead.com>
	<60EA2E2E-223C-11D9-BD5B-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <150FD780-2245-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 20. okt 2004, at 4:04, Timothy Martens wrote:

> After reading this: http://typographi.com/000744.php
> and trying lots of fonts, I got this: 
> http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm
> for which my eyes thank me.

Looks great but yikes... pricy for poor students like me :-p.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From hangonsoft at free.fr  Wed Oct 20 03:28:31 2004
From: hangonsoft at free.fr (olivier hericord)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 05:28:31 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] gutter and horizontal scrolling
Message-ID: <1D8E8A9C-2248-11D9-AC15-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>

hi,

when scrolling horizontally a 'non wrapped' document the gutter scrolls 
with the text.
has it been already mentioned ?
it's quite annoying cause scrolling to the right means loosing 
bookmarks, folding and line numbers....

if it's not a bug , why such a design choice?


thanks

this text editor is becoming THE TEXT editor on macosx....way cool



From factoryjoe at factorycity.net  Wed Oct 20 03:43:27 2004
From: factoryjoe at factorycity.net (Chris Messina)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 20:43:27 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity
In-Reply-To: <150FD780-2245-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <41739B48.60602@allinthehead.com>	<60EA2E2E-223C-11D9-BD5B-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<150FD780-2245-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <4175DEDF.40105@factorycity.net>

Yeah!! Ouch. I think that ProFont 
(http://www.tobias-jung.de/seekingprofont/) works well enough for me 
(except for the italic)! But thanks for the recommendation.

Chris

Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 20. okt 2004, at 4:04, Timothy Martens wrote:
>
>> After reading this: http://typographi.com/000744.php
>> and trying lots of fonts, I got this: http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm
>> for which my eyes thank me.
>
>
> Looks great but yikes... pricy for poor students like me :-p.
>


-- 

Do the evolution. Get Firefox! 
<http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=5&t=4>




From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Wed Oct 20 06:21:26 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 01:21:26 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <60EA2E2E-223C-11D9-BD5B-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <BD9B6E16.12821%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

On 10/19/04 9:04 PM, "Timothy Martens" <timfm at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> After reading this: http://typographi.com/000744.php
> 
> and trying lots of fonts, I got this: http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm
> 
> for which my eyes thank me.

Thanks for this tip Tim.  It looks like a nice font.  I was taken back by
the steep price as well.  I did some searching and found what looks like the
same font for almost half the price: US$62.
http://www.fonts.com/findfonts/detail.asp?pid=413621

Just thought I'd point this out for other potential buyers.

Also, do you think you could post a screenshot of some Pragmata text at 14pt
without anti-aliasing again?  I'd much appreciate it.  I prefer a slightly
larger font size, but I like the crispness of non-anti-aliased fonts while
coding.

Thanks,
Simon




From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Wed Oct 20 07:14:13 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:14:13 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <BD9B6E16.12821%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

On 10/20/04 1:21 AM, "Simon Dorfman" <EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com> wrote:
> Also, do you think you could post a screenshot of some Pragmata text at 14pt
> without anti-aliasing again?  I'd much appreciate it.  I prefer a slightly
> larger font size, but I like the crispness of non-anti-aliased fonts while
> coding.

Cancel that request, I found a 16pt preview here:
http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fsd/pragmata/tt/index.html

I'm still on the fence about buying this. It's a lot of money for one
font...

Simon




From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 20 07:32:28 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:32:28 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 20/10/2004, at 5:14 PM, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> Cancel that request, I found a 16pt preview here:
> http://www.myfonts.com/fonts/fsd/pragmata/tt/index.html
>
> I'm still on the fence about buying this. It's a lot of money for one
> font...

Can't you make do with ProFont or something else?  I'd never pay that 
much for a programming-only font with so many other choices available 
for free or a few $'s, unless it did something outstanding that I could 
justify the cost with.

Personally, Pragmata doesn't entice me or offer anything new, so I'm 
not considering buying it at all.

Justin



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Wed Oct 20 07:39:49 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 09:39:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Change of 'select line' hotkey...
In-Reply-To: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <D142C8B2-2170-11D9-B91F-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <41761645.8@je-ju.net>

On another note about selecting lines, would it be possible to include a 
modifier key so that you can press e.g. CTRL and then drag the mouse to 
select whole lines at a time?
SubEthaEdit has this and it's really a timesaver.

Jeroen.


From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Wed Oct 20 07:59:29 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:59:29 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

On 10/20/04 2:32 AM, "Justin French" <justin.french at indent.com.au> wrote:
> Can't you make do with ProFont or something else?  I'd never pay that
> much for a programming-only font with so many other choices available
> for free or a few $'s, unless it did something outstanding that I could
> justify the cost with.

I'm currently using Monaco 13pt with anti-aliasing turned on.  I'm working
on a CRT 17" at 1152x864.  I've tried ProFont and numerous others.  ProFont
looks good at 9pt.  But that's too small for me.  I'm still searching for
coding font nirvana.  A largeish (14pt), crisp, non-anti-aliased, font is
what I'm looking for.

What's your font story?  What font, size, non-/anti-alias, screen type,
resolution?

Simon




From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 20 08:22:11 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:22:11 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <23D2AF56-2271-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 20/10/2004, at 5:59 PM, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> I'm currently using Monaco 13pt with anti-aliasing turned on.  I'm 
> working
> on a CRT 17" at 1152x864.  I've tried ProFont and numerous others.  
> ProFont
> looks good at 9pt.  But that's too small for me.  I'm still searching 
> for
> coding font nirvana.  A largeish (14pt), crisp, non-anti-aliased, font 
> is
> what I'm looking for.
>
> What's your font story?  What font, size, non-/anti-alias, screen type,
> resolution?

On a 17" LCD @ 1280x1024, I'm currently using:
   Annandale Mono
   11pt
   AA turned on

But that's only in TM -- when in BBEdit, I was using Monaco at 9pt with 
no AA...

I think my point is that in a few days I can get used to anything, but 
evidently I like my fonts a lot smaller than you do.

Annandale Mono looks good at 14pt with AA off, and good at 16pt with AA 
off too -- give it a try?

Justin



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct 20 08:34:56 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2004 22:34:56 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity
In-Reply-To: <150FD780-2245-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <41739B48.60602@allinthehead.com>
	<60EA2E2E-223C-11D9-BD5B-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<150FD780-2245-11D9-B1D4-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <EC3E1046-2272-11D9-B76A-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 19, 2004, at 5:06 PM, Sune Foldager wrote:

> On 20. okt 2004, at 4:04, Timothy Martens wrote:
>
>> After reading this: http://typographi.com/000744.php
>> and trying lots of fonts, I got this: 
>> http://www.fsd.it/fonts/pragma.htm
>> for which my eyes thank me.
>
> Looks great but yikes... pricy for poor students like me :-p.

It was recently half price at MyFonts.com



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Wed Oct 20 09:43:11 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:43:11 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
Message-ID: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Ive been watching a few colleagues of mine using TextMate and one of them
has switched off the smart typing as she finds it doesn't really help her,
the reason is to do with the way she works, which admittedly is slightly
inefficient, but I myself have fallen foul of this as well, here's what she
does:

She types a word and then decides it needs to be a string, so she steps the
caret back to the start of the word and types a quote, but 2 quotes get
added so she then has to delete one of them, then she moves to the end of
the word and types the closing quote, and the same thing happens. So she
switches the feature off as its "annoying". Now she could make a command to
wrap a selection in quotes (as I have done), but it would be nicer if it
could be smarter about when to insert the pair.

Perhaps the pair of characters only get added if they are surrounded by
white space, or if some customisable regex is matched?

Chris  



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From andrew at article7.co.uk  Wed Oct 20 10:06:20 2004
From: andrew at article7.co.uk (Andrew Green)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:06:20 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <20041020110620959307.GyazMail.andrew@article7.co.uk>

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 02:59:29 -0500, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> What's your font story? What font, size, non-/anti-alias, screen type,
> resolution?

Bitstream Vera Sans Mono, roman, 12pt, anti-aliased. Lovely.

Cheers,
Andrew.
-- 
                   ::
      article seven       Andrew Green
 automatic internet       andrew at article7.co.uk | www.article7.co.uk


From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 20 10:11:43 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 11:11:43 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Dragging files to Trash
Message-ID: <417639DF.9060505@allinthehead.com>

I just tried to delete a file by dragging it from the Project Drawer to 
the Trash. It didn't work.

Is that an absent feature or an unrealistic expectation?

drew.


From infolists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 11:00:46 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:00:46 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<BD9B8511.12838%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <8d5544d804102004007266736a@mail.gmail.com>

> What's your font story?  What font, size, non-/anti-alias, screen type,
> resolution?

Monaco 10pt, aliased. Keep coming back to it and it feels like home!

bongoman


From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Wed Oct 20 11:42:50 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:42:50 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Find peculiarities
Message-ID: <2BFBDB88-228D-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>

Hi,

It may just be me but Find doesn't seem to work very well at the 
moment. (b8 btw)

I've got a reasonably large file open (about 400 lines) and if I have 
no text selected I can Find no problem.

If all of the text is selected (Through Select All) then Find doesn't 
work with either 'Entire File' or 'Selected Text'.

If a small portion of text is selected then 'Entire File' appears to 
work but 'Selected Text' functions the same as Entire File, i.e. it 
ignores the selected text boundaries.

Anyone seeing the same thing?

Thanks,

Richard



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 12:02:10 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:02:10 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>

According to Justin French:
> Personally, Pragmata doesn't entice me or offer anything new, so I'm 
> not considering buying it at all.

Same here.  I'm pretty happy with Vera Mono, a free font donated by
Bitstream.  It can be found on any GNOME mirror.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 12:07:07 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:07:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041020120707.GB74637@tara.freenix.org>

According to Chris Jenkins:
> She types a word and then decides it needs to be a string, so she steps the
> caret back to the start of the word and types a quote, but 2 quotes get
> added so she then has to delete one of them, then she moves to the end of
> the word and types the closing quote, and the same thing happens. So she

I'm always getting bitten by this so count me in.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From infolists at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 12:08:35 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:08:35 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>
References: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <8d5544d8041020050859a95781@mail.gmail.com>

And don't forget the proggy fonts:
<http://www.proggyfonts.com/index.php?menu=download>

bongoman


From hangonsoft at free.fr  Wed Oct 20 12:43:52 2004
From: hangonsoft at free.fr (olivier hericord)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:43:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] save kills undo
Message-ID: <B29D1874-2295-11D9-8C2C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>

hi,

i found something quite annoying and possibly dangerous.....when 
editing a script its very usual to delete a block just to see what 
happens....but hitting the Apple-S seems to  kill the undo list 
sometime...

can't get this behavior repeated each time....


weird



From wdnx at unm.edu  Wed Oct 20 13:50:05 2004
From: wdnx at unm.edu (William Douglas Neumann)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:50:05 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410200741500.2885@egor.unm.edu>

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> Perhaps the pair of characters only get added if they are surrounded by
> white space, or if some customisable regex is matched?

That might be nice.  I also like the way, for example, iTeXMac works with 
smart pairs.  If you select some text and type the opening paren, brace, 
etc, it surrounds the selected text with the pair and moves the caret past 
the closing element (though it doesn't do it for quotes).  One of the 
other things it does that is usually nice is, when you have no text 
selected and type the opening element of a pair, it adds the closing 
element and positions the caret in the middle (like TM), but it also 
places an anchor after the closing element, so hitting tab after you re 
done filling in the contents of the pair takes you out of it.

William D. Neumann
<wdnx at unm.edu>

FWO to the Nth degree!!!
---
Dear Lord, please make me the kind of person
my dog thinks I am.


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 13:57:21 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:57:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby regexp highlighting
In-Reply-To: <30E01AAE-208E-11D9-8D0D-0003935703CA@petermcm.dircon.co.uk>
References: <30E01AAE-208E-11D9-8D0D-0003935703CA@petermcm.dircon.co.uk>
Message-ID: <F63E2A81-229F-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 18. Oct 2004, at 0:45, Peter McMaster wrote:

> Doesn't work if you have a regexp like this though:
>   %r{foo\{2,10}

Okay, I've added these two sub-patterns:
    { name = "Escaped Characters"; match = "\\."; },
    { name = "Arbitrary repetition"; match = "\\{\\d+(,\\d+)?\\}"; },

The first eats all escaped characters, so it'll now also work with:
    %r{foo\}bar}

The second eats the counted repetition construct you suggested.

There may still be a problem with { or } inside [] though.


Kind regards Allan



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 14:22:57 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:22:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] save kills undo
In-Reply-To: <B29D1874-2295-11D9-8C2C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <B29D1874-2295-11D9-8C2C-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20041020142257.GA87420@tara.freenix.org>

According to olivier hericord:
> i found something quite annoying and possibly dangerous.....when 
> editing a script its very usual to delete a block just to see what 
> happens....but hitting the Apple-S seems to  kill the undo list 
> sometime...

The very basic test I just did showed that Undo is preserved across Saves
'as it should).
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 20 14:33:07 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:33:07 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>
References: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <F5AB6428-22A4-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 20/10/2004, at 10:02 PM, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> According to Justin French:
>> Personally, Pragmata doesn't entice me or offer anything new, so I'm
>> not considering buying it at all.
>
> Same here.  I'm pretty happy with Vera Mono, a free font donated by
> Bitstream.  It can be found on any GNOME mirror.

Damn, that Vera Mono is one damn sexy font... currently experimenting 
with it at 11-12pt with AA on.

Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 20 14:36:05 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:36:05 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410200741500.2885@egor.unm.edu>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.61.0410200741500.2885@egor.unm.edu>
Message-ID: <5FB0D3D8-22A5-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 20/10/2004, at 11:50 PM, William Douglas Neumann wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Oct 2004, Chris Jenkins wrote:
>
>> Perhaps the pair of characters only get added if they are surrounded 
>> by
>> white space, or if some customisable regex is matched?
>
> That might be nice.  I also like the way, for example, iTeXMac works 
> with smart pairs.  If you select some text and type the opening paren, 
> brace, etc, it surrounds the selected text with the pair and moves the 
> caret past the closing element (though it doesn't do it for quotes).  
> One of the other things it does that is usually nice is, when you have 
> no text selected and type the opening element of a pair, it adds the 
> closing element and positions the caret in the middle (like TM), but 
> it also places an anchor after the closing element, so hitting tab 
> after you re done filling in the contents of the pair takes you out of 
> it.

That all sounds really good.  Part of the problem is that TM behaves 
differently than we expect, or are used to.  Smart typing is great most 
of the time, but it is, of course, a pain when you don't expect or want 
it to work...

Anything that can help TM better guess what our intentions are gets my 
vote.

Justin



From jeroen at os3.nl  Wed Oct 20 14:41:00 2004
From: jeroen at os3.nl (Jeroen van der Ham)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:41:00 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>

You got my vote. I'm all for the only surrounded by whitespace option.

Jeroen.



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 14:41:54 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:41:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <F5AB6428-22A4-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>
	<F5AB6428-22A4-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <20041020144154.GA88755@tara.freenix.org>

According to Justin French:
> Damn, that Vera Mono is one damn sexy font... currently experimenting 
> with it at 11-12pt with AA on.

I'm using it for all my iTerm/Terminal sessions at 12pt/AA.  I also use it
on my FreeBSD machines with xterm.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From bighands at mac.com  Wed Oct 20 14:46:43 2004
From: bighands at mac.com (James Andrews)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 15:46:43 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Selection Idea
Message-ID: <DBCD0162-22A6-11D9-8DB1-000D9352154E@mac.com>

Not sure if this has been suggested before (or even if it already lies 
hidden beneath the sleek exterior of TM and I'm just an idiot), but I 
would like to be able to shift-click or alt-click on a fold to select 
all contained text rather than expanding or collapsing the fold. This 
can then be used for drag/drop, copy/cut and paste and, most 
importantly for me, search and replace criteria, i.e. allowing me to 
use search within selection to quickly do replaces within a single 
defined function or other logical block.

A further possibility, which may be a step too far, is to use shift-alt 
click to select multiple, non-contiguous, folds though I suspect that 
this would be too confusing and not useful enough. Views?

Thanks again for a great product.

Cheers,
James



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Wed Oct 20 15:35:49 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:35:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] =?iso-8859-1?q?Can=27t_insert_pipes_on_french_keyboar?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?d_in_=DF8?=
Message-ID: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

 From the release notes :

 > Changed default key binding for ?select line? to option-shift-l. 
Hopefully TextMate now sucks less in Germany ;)

Yeah, but now it does in France !!

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/

Backdrop Folders : Open "views" of your folders at desktop levels and 
interact with them 
(http://www.lachoseinteractive.net/en/products/backdropfolders)


From justin.french at indent.com.au  Wed Oct 20 16:00:12 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 02:00:12 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 21/10/2004, at 12:41 AM, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:

> You got my vote. I'm all for the only surrounded by whitespace option.

"only surrounded by white space" doesn't work -- consider something 
like $foo[' which smart typing should match with '] automatically, yet 
neither the [ or ' are surrounded by white space.

"only FOLLOWED by white space" is a bit better, but still doesn't work

"only surrounded by white space or other smart typing pairs" is a lot 
better

... but I think in practice, it will take a lot of thinking before a 
real solution is found... no quick patch here :)

Justin



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 16:00:41 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:00:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Can't =?iso-8859-15?Q?inser?=
	=?iso-8859-15?Q?t_pipes_on_french_keyboard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>

According to Dominique Peretti:
> Subject: [TextMate] Can't insert pipes on french keyboard in ?8
> 
> Yeah, but now it does in France !!

I'm typing these ||||| on a french keyboard ||||, and from both the
internal and the external one.

Programming in Ruby, I'd be very annoyed if TM didn't work :)
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 16:07:59 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:07:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Find peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <2BFBDB88-228D-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
References: <2BFBDB88-228D-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <3663CC40-22B2-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 13:42, Richard Chamberlain wrote:

> If a small portion of text is selected then 'Entire File' appears to 
> work but 'Selected Text' functions the same as Entire File, i.e. it 
> ignores the selected text boundaries.

The ?Selected Text? is the _replace_ scope, and so does not limit what 
to be searched (but if people would find this useful, it could be 
changed, personally though, I think it'd be more trouble than good).

With regard to not finding anything, when you select all. This is 
because currently TextMate actually searches from the end of the 
current selection, to (if wrap around is enabled) the beginning of the 
selection.

The reason for this is that if you e.g. search for a single word, and 
that word is found, find next should not find the same word (if there 
is only a single instance of that word), which is why I do not search 
the selection (since what you just found ends up being selected).

But seeing how Sune wants replace to be smart and only replace if the 
selection is actually the result of a find, I could fix the above in 
the same go (i.e. only dismiss searching in the selection, if it stems 
from a previous find operation).


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 20 16:20:59 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:20:59 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>
	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>

Justin French wrote:
> On 21/10/2004, at 12:41 AM, Jeroen van der Ham wrote:
> 
>> You got my vote. I'm all for the only surrounded by whitespace option.
> 
> "only surrounded by white space" doesn't work -- consider something like 
> $foo[' which smart typing should match with '] automatically, yet 
> neither the [ or ' are surrounded by white space.
> 
> "only FOLLOWED by white space" is a bit better, but still doesn't work
> 
> "only surrounded by white space or other smart typing pairs" is a lot 
> better
> 
> ... but I think in practice, it will take a lot of thinking before a 
> real solution is found... no quick patch here :)

I don't know how this fits with other people's coding styles, but mostly 
I want smart typing when writing new stuff, and not so much going back 
editing old.

For example, if I want to go back and add an extra pair of submatch 
brackets into a regexp, I don't want smart typing coz it gets in the way.

So how about adding in the metric of end-of-line vs middle-of-line?


Unformed idea. blah.

drew.


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 16:28:59 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:28:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>
	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 18:20, Drew McLellan wrote:

> So how about adding in the metric of end-of-line vs middle-of-line?

I think ?ws or eol to the right of caret? is better.


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Wed Oct 20 16:30:49 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 17:30:49 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>
	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <417692B9.2040100@allinthehead.com>

Justin French wrote:

> ... but I think in practice, it will take a lot of thinking before a 
> real solution is found... no quick patch here :)

Thinking about this more (I spoke too soon) ...

The most important thing has to be that the smart typing is *completely* 
predictable. In order to not get in the way, I think it's more important 
for smart typing to get in the way occasionally but predictably, than 
for it to get in the way sometimes and pleasantly surprise the user 
other times.

If you know that typing '(' always gets you a ')' then you can quickly 
learn to delete the ')' if you don't need it. However, if you have to 
stop to think what's going to happen, or worse still, predict wrong and 
end up deleting something you didn't want to, then the feature has failed.

So I guess I'm saying it's better that the feature is simple and 
reliable that too clever and difficult to predict.

drew.


From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Wed Oct 20 16:30:26 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:30:26 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[TextMate]_Can't_insert_pipes_on_french_keybo?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?ard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

Humm.. are you typing your mails with TextMate ??

More seriously, on the french layout, shift-alt-l is the way to type a 
pipe.
In TextMate BETA 8, it does select a line.

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net
On 20 oct. 04, at 18:00, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> I'm typing these ||||| on a french keyboard ||||, and from both the
> internal and the external one.



From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 16:33:09 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:33:09 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>
	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>
	<259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <BA4C2E80-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 18:28, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> So how about adding in the metric of end-of-line vs middle-of-line?
> I think ?ws or eol to the right of caret? is better.

Although it doesn't fix setting the end-quotes (it does with end 
braces, since these wouldn't cause auto-insertion of anything).

With regards to quotes, I could look to the left to check if these 
weren't balanced, to see whether the quote written was an ?end quote?.


Kind regards Allan



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Wed Oct 20 16:38:04 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:38:04 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <BA4C2E80-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>	<4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>	<259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BA4C2E80-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <4176946C.4090606@je-ju.net>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> Although it doesn't fix setting the end-quotes (it does with end braces, 
> since these wouldn't cause auto-insertion of anything).
> 
> With regards to quotes, I could look to the left to check if these 
> weren't balanced, to see whether the quote written was an ?end quote?.

This sounds like the best idea.

Jeroen.


From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Wed Oct 20 17:01:35 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 18:01:35 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <20041020160042.6259B1257@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <BD9C587F.53BE%chrisjenkins@mac.com>


Yeah, that's what I figured, in fact the more I think about it, the less
simple it seems to become!

Its one of those classic software problems, in making something "smart"
there are always occasions when its not so smart. Perhaps Ill just get my
friend to adjust her typing style.




> "only surrounded by white space" doesn't work -- consider something
> like $foo[' which smart typing should match with '] automatically, yet
> neither the [ or ' are surrounded by white space.
> 
> "only FOLLOWED by white space" is a bit better, but still doesn't work
> 
> "only surrounded by white space or other smart typing pairs" is a lot
> better
> 
> ... but I think in practice, it will take a lot of thinking before a
> real solution is found... no quick patch here :)




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From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 17:07:46 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:07:46 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[TextMate]_Can't_insert_pipes_on_french_keybo?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?ard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
	<590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <909516FA-22BA-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 18:30, Dominique Peretti wrote:

> More seriously, on the french layout, shift-alt-l is the way to type a 
> pipe.
> In TextMate BETA 8, it does select a line.

So how about control-l? anyone has something on that key?

Or perhaps I should just drop having a default key for this function, 
although it's quite handy.


Kind regards Allan



From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Wed Oct 20 17:02:27 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:02:27 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] questions about snippets
In-Reply-To: <4176946C.4090606@je-ju.net>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>	<4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>	<259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BA4C2E80-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<4176946C.4090606@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <D2593FEB-22B9-11D9-8A88-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>

1) are snippets stored anywhere on the system?  Looked in the Library 
but couldn't find anything.  Was wondering if they are in XML files 
somewhere to be backed up or shared/

2) is there a way to use TM variables in snippets?  specifically, I was 
hoping to insert $TM_DATE in the snippet somwhere.


thanks, K



From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Wed Oct 20 17:13:15 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:13:15 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[TextMate]_Can't_insert_pipes_on_french_keybo?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?ard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
	<590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <548A1198-22BB-11D9-9BBA-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>


Op 20-okt-04 om 18:30 heeft Dominique Peretti het volgende geschreven:

> Humm.. are you typing your mails with TextMate ??
>
> More seriously, on the french layout, shift-alt-l is the way to type a 
> pipe.
> In TextMate BETA 8, it does select a line.
>

It does the same on Belgian keyboard layout. I only get this bug when I 
remove my TextMate preferences and application support directory 
though.
I'd say that using just option or option-shift without ctrl or command 
will always be a bad idea.. There isn't really any key that doesn't 
have two alternate characters, at least not on my ibook keyboard ..



From juananorga at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 17:20:03 2004
From: juananorga at gmail.com (Juan Anorga)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:20:03 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Selection Idea
In-Reply-To: <DBCD0162-22A6-11D9-8DB1-000D9352154E@mac.com>
References: <DBCD0162-22A6-11D9-8DB1-000D9352154E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <828d7fd30410201020380d3611@mail.gmail.com>

> I would like to be able to shift-click or alt-click on a fold to select
> all contained text rather than expanding or collapsing the fold.

I think this is a great idea.


From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Wed Oct 20 17:26:13 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:26:13 +0200
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[TextMate]_Can't_insert_pipes_on_french_keybo?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?ard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <909516FA-22BA-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
	<590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<909516FA-22BA-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <246B55EA-22BD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

> So how about control-l? anyone has something on that key?
>
> Or perhaps I should just drop having a default key for this function, 
> although it's quite handy.

Why not copy BBEdit ?

Command-L : select line
Command-J : go to line


Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Wed Oct 20 17:42:06 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:42:06 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Weird "refresh" when switching back to TextMate after a
	save.
Message-ID: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

I'm working on a big php class file (with heavy coloring syntax bundle).

I modify something.
I save the file.
I go to Safari and test.
When I switch back to TextMate, it looks like TM is refreshing 
everyhing, being unavailable for 2 or 3 seconds with the spinning 
wheel. Then it seems to move to the caret (like when one presses 
command-J).

Note that this does not happen if I don't save the file before.

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net



From juananorga at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 17:48:55 2004
From: juananorga at gmail.com (Juan Anorga)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 10:48:55 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] New from template
Message-ID: <828d7fd304102010481b3f79d6@mail.gmail.com>

I like being able to start a new document from a template when you are
working in a project, but it would be nice to have that feature when
you are not working in a project.

- Juan


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 18:13:30 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:13:30 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Weird "refresh" when switching back to TextMate after
	a save.
In-Reply-To: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <BF4ABF4A-22C3-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 19:42, Dominique Peretti wrote:

> Note that this does not happen if I don't save the file before.

It seems that sometimes TextMate will think a folder reference is 
changed significantly, and it will refresh loaded files.

This may also be why the undo stack is lost (as someone reported).

Currently though, I have no idea when and how this happens (as I 
haven't been able to reproduce it myself yet).


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 18:15:53 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:15:53 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] questions about snippets
In-Reply-To: <D2593FEB-22B9-11D9-8A88-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>	<4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>	<259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BA4C2E80-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<4176946C.4090606@je-ju.net>
	<D2593FEB-22B9-11D9-8A88-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <1467C2FA-22C4-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 19:02, kumar mcmillan wrote:

> 1) are snippets stored anywhere on the system?  Looked in the Library 
> but couldn't find anything.  Was wondering if they are in XML files 
> somewhere to be backed up or shared/

Yes, they are in:
  ~/Library/Application 
Support/TextMate/Bundles/Custom.tmbundle/Snippets/

> 2) is there a way to use TM variables in snippets?  specifically, I 
> was hoping to insert $TM_DATE in the snippet somwhere.

The TM_DATE is not among the default variables.

But in a snippet you can execute normal shell commands by embedding 
them in back-ticks (if you're running one of the betas).

So e.g. do: ?(c) `date +%Y` Your name? to get the year.


Kind regards Allan



From cryo at diku.dk  Wed Oct 20 18:27:14 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:27:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] questions about snippets
In-Reply-To: <D2593FEB-22B9-11D9-8A88-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>	<20041020144100.GA86630@je-ju.net>	<1FDA3355-22B1-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>	<4176906B.4000303@allinthehead.com>	<259F406A-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BA4C2E80-22B5-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<4176946C.4090606@je-ju.net>
	<D2593FEB-22B9-11D9-8A88-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <AA3133D8-22C5-11D9-88FA-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

Please remember to start a new email when posting a new topic, instead 
of replying to an unrelated one. It messes up threading otherwise :-(.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From tobias.luetke at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 18:28:32 2004
From: tobias.luetke at gmail.com (Tobias Luetke)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:28:32 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Text clarity (Pragmata font, semi-OT)
In-Reply-To: <20041020144154.GA88755@tara.freenix.org>
References: <BD9B7A75.1282C%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<322933AF-226A-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041020120209.GA74637@tara.freenix.org>
	<F5AB6428-22A4-11D9-9929-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<20041020144154.GA88755@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <9963c1bd04102011283e5e81ee@mail.gmail.com>

I must agree, Bitstream Vera Mono - Roman - 11pt AA makes an amazing
font for textmate.


On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 16:41:54 +0200, Ollivier Robert
<roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr> wrote:
> According to Justin French:
> > Damn, that Vera Mono is one damn sexy font... currently experimenting
> > with it at 11-12pt with AA on.
> 
> I'm using it for all my iTerm/Terminal sessions at 12pt/AA.  I also use it
> on my FreeBSD machines with xterm.
> 
> 
> --
> Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
> Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 


-- 
Tobi


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 18:30:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:30:40 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] How to checkout bundles on svn?
Message-ID: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

Can anyone tell me how I should checkout the svn bundles (java + xml)?

I get this error:

Expected version '2' of repository; found no version at all; is 
'/media/subversion/repos' a valid repository path?


Kind regards Allan



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Wed Oct 20 18:33:01 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:33:01 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] re: Heuristic for smart typing pairs
Message-ID: <790A34BA-22C6-11D9-8724-000A95B1276C@mac.com>

Heres another idea which Im pretty sure would satisfy my original 
comment. Currently TM inserts the closing character of the pair at the 
same point as the user types the opening character, if on the other 
hand it waits for one more key press before deciding whether to insert 
the closing part of the pair, it could perhaps make a better guess as 
to whether that is what the user wants. For example; moving the cursor 
could be construed as a cancelling operation, so the closing character 
would be omitted if the user simply pops back to add a quote character 
to the start of a word and then clicks somewhere else in the document 
(or uses the arrow keys), whereas simply continuing to type after 
pressing the opening character would be construed as a confirmation and 
the closing character inserted as it is now.

so what im saying is: wait to see what the user types next, and then 
decide whether to insert the closing part of the pair.

does that make sense?

Chris



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Wed Oct 20 18:41:14 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:41:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Weird "refresh" when switching back to TextMate after
	a save.
In-Reply-To: <BF4ABF4A-22C3-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<BF4ABF4A-22C3-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <9ED35FB8-22C7-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

I can reproduce it 100% of the time.

Open a project. (does not occur on a single file).
Pick a quite big file (several screens long).
Go around the middle of the file
Edit it.
Save.
Move to another application.
Switch back to TextMate.
-> the scroll moves and centers around the caret.

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net
On 20 oct. 04, at 20:13, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> It seems that sometimes TextMate will think a folder reference is 
> changed significantly, and it will refresh loaded files.
>
> This may also be why the undo stack is lost (as someone reported).
>
> Currently though, I have no idea when and how this happens (as I 
> haven't been able to reproduce it myself yet).



From thebrier at gmail.com  Wed Oct 20 18:46:01 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:46:01 -0400
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[TextMate]_Can't_insert_p?=
	=?ISO-8859-1?Q?ipes_on_french_keybo_ard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <246B55EA-22BD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
	<590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<909516FA-22BA-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<246B55EA-22BD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <b44dd66604102011462209fb93@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 19:26:13 +0200, Dominique Peretti
<dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com> wrote:
> 
> Command-L : select line
> Command-J : go to line

Both of these already have meaning in other Cocoa apps.  TextMate
currently matches that meaning (C-L=Goto Line, C-J=Jump to Selection).

Personally, I would prefer that TextMate continue match other Cocoa
apps than match BBEdit.


From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Wed Oct 20 20:30:17 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 21:30:17 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Find peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <3663CC40-22B2-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <2BFBDB88-228D-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
	<3663CC40-22B2-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <DACFE420-22D6-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>

Hi,

Hello,

On 20 Oct 2004, at 17:07, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 20. Oct 2004, at 13:42, Richard Chamberlain wrote:
>
>> If a small portion of text is selected then 'Entire File' appears to 
>> work but 'Selected Text' functions the same as Entire File, i.e. it 
>> ignores the selected text boundaries.
>
> The ?Selected Text? is the _replace_ scope, and so does not limit what 
> to be searched (but if people would find this useful, it could be 
> changed, personally though, I think it'd be more trouble than good).

I do find being able to search selected text useful, although now I 
understand it I could probably work around.

> With regard to not finding anything, when you select all. This is 
> because currently TextMate actually searches from the end of the 
> current selection, to (if wrap around is enabled) the beginning of the 
> selection.
>
> The reason for this is that if you e.g. search for a single word, and 
> that word is found, find next should not find the same word (if there 
> is only a single instance of that word), which is why I do not search 
> the selection (since what you just found ends up being selected).

I think that needs changing. Could you not just record the position of 
the last find and not repeat it?

The current behaviour is that if you have all the text selected then 
Find fails to do anything even though it looks like it should.

Thanks for the reply,

Richard



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 22:06:48 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:06:48 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Can't =?iso-8859-15?Q?inser?=
	=?iso-8859-15?Q?t_pipes_on_french_keyboard_in_=DF8?=
In-Reply-To: <590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <B83CB992-22AD-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<20041020160040.GA95283@tara.freenix.org>
	<590E61AA-22B5-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <20041020220648.GA27831@tara.freenix.org>

According to Dominique Peretti:
> More seriously, on the french layout, shift-alt-l is the way to type a 
> pipe.
> In TextMate BETA 8, it does select a line.

Well, the mail was not composed within TM as I do all my mail on my home
machine with mutt/xemacs thanks to ssh & screen but like I said, as an heavy
Ruby user, I'd be very annoyed if opt-shift-l didn't generate a |.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 20 22:09:52 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:09:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] How to checkout bundles on svn?
In-Reply-To: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <20041020220952.GB27831@tara.freenix.org>

According to Allan Odgaard:
> Can anyone tell me how I should checkout the svn bundles (java + xml)?

You're supposed to use an svn client but I thought svn  also offer a web
vision of the repo.

> I get this error:
> 
> Expected version '2' of repository; found no version at all; is 
> '/media/subversion/repos' a valid repository path?

You're lucky, I've tried browsing the repo with several browsers and it didn't
work.  I only succeeded with links in text mode...  

A tar bundle would be better IMO.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 20 22:34:13 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 00:34:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] How to checkout bundles on svn?
In-Reply-To: <20041020220952.GB27831@tara.freenix.org>
References: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<20041020220952.GB27831@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <2AE0A47A-22E8-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 0:09, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> I only succeeded with links in text mode...

So you were able to get the files?

Can you tell me exactly how? :)


Kind regards Allan



From waynelarsen at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 04:53:39 2004
From: waynelarsen at gmail.com (Wayne Larsen)
Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 22:53:39 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Set Mark
Message-ID: <ca8699b604102021537ca9bfe4@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

With window splitting implemented, I may consider switching from
emacs.  One thing that gets me though is that 'Set Mark' does not seem
to work properly.  I use this all the time to select a block of text
without having to hold down shift.  "setMark:" is set in my Default
Key Binding, yet I get the blip of unknown command from TextMate when
I try to use it.  This works great in TextEdit, btw.

What do other people use to select text without using the mouse?  I
could hold down shift, but then that blocks me from using my other
bindings (^p and ^n for line up and down respectively).  Is shift and
the arrow keys the only option?

Thanks,
Wayne


From heininger at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 06:44:20 2004
From: heininger at gmail.com (Mike Heininger)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:44:20 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] How to checkout bundles on svn?
In-Reply-To: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <c46ac1e04102023442c8d3070@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 20:30:40 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> Can anyone tell me how I should checkout the svn bundles (java + xml)?

Just mount them on the desktop.
command-K and enter the http url


Mike


From infolists at gmail.com  Thu Oct 21 09:29:30 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:29:30 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
Message-ID: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there

When I fired up the latest release, it seems that it has overriden my
custom PHP/HTML syntax coloring.

I had my own version in my home directory in the correct location.

All of a sudden my php pages are with a dark background (#2e2e2e) when
set to HTML(PHP) coloring.

The weird thing is I can't find a reference to this hex value in any
of the bundle files so I'm at a loss to correct it.

I thought the bundle file saved as HTML-PHP.plist set the syntax
coloring for HTML(PHP). If so, why is my local version with it's
background color of #efefef not taking effect?

Any clues appreciated...

bongoman


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 12:20:47 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:20:47 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 11:29, bongoman wrote:

> When I fired up the latest release, it seems that it has overriden my
> custom PHP/HTML syntax coloring.
>
> I had my own version in my home directory in the correct location.

If you want to override the default PHP.tmbundle/Syntaxes/PHP.plist 
then you should have a local PHP.tmbundle with a Syntaxes directory.

I.e. if your local version of PHP is in Custom.tmbundle or similar, it 
will not override the defaults, since stuff overrides on bundle name 
alone (although this may be a bit unintuitive for syntaxes, I know).

> All of a sudden my php pages are with a dark background (#2e2e2e) when
> set to HTML(PHP) coloring.

Interesting, since I'm quite sure the defaults are with a white 
background!?!


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 12:28:57 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:28:57 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Find peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <DACFE420-22D6-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
References: <2BFBDB88-228D-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
	<3663CC40-22B2-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<DACFE420-22D6-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
Message-ID: <C7BB8E35-235C-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 22:30, Richard Chamberlain wrote:

>> The reason for this is that if you e.g. search for a single word, and 
>> that word is found, find next should not find the same word (if there 
>> is only a single instance of that word), which is why I do not search 
>> the selection (since what you just found ends up being selected).
> I think that needs changing. Could you not just record the position of 
> the last find and not repeat it?

There's actually also the case where e.g. I press cmd-e, cmd-g to find 
the next occurrence of the selected text, here I do want it to beep, if 
there is no other instance (instead of finding the current selection).

But I'll figure out something! :)


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 12:35:45 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:35:45 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Set Mark
In-Reply-To: <ca8699b604102021537ca9bfe4@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ca8699b604102021537ca9bfe4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BA87D2A4-235D-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 6:53, Wayne Larsen wrote:

> [....] One thing that gets me though is that 'Set Mark' does not seem
> to work properly.

Yes, emacs-style marks is not implemented yet, but is noted as a 
request.

> What do other people use to select text without using the mouse?  I
> could hold down shift, but then that blocks me from using my other
> bindings (^p and ^n for line up and down respectively).  Is shift and
> the arrow keys the only option?

Currently yes, apart from the various select word/line/paragraph/all.

Though you can bind e.g. ^P to move up and select and likewise for ^N. 
But I don't know if that'll help much.

I don't think it'll take that long before I get around to the 
emacs-type marking, since they'll provide more flexibility in macros 
with regard to selecting up to a point, found by a search.


Kind regards Allan



From hangonsoft at free.fr  Thu Oct 21 12:43:04 2004
From: hangonsoft at free.fr (olivier hericord)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:43:04 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] no one annoyed by the disappearing gutter????
Message-ID: <C02EEE98-235E-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>

i'm part of those weird guys that 'HATE' text wrapping.....
in text mate disabling text wrapping leads the gutter to disappear when 
scrolling horizontally .... do the gutter has to be attached that way 
to the text?  i don't think so ...it should be a static bar on the left 
of the GUI..... no?   seems crazy to all of you ?


thanks

olivier



From hangonsoft at free.fr  Thu Oct 21 12:47:21 2004
From: hangonsoft at free.fr (olivier hericord)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:47:21 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] cursor centering ... is it a bug?
Message-ID: <595D376E-235F-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>

hi....switching from tab to tab in textmate leads to a recentering of 
each page on the cursor...is it a feature or a bug?

if it's a feature it would be cool to be able to switch it off on a 
user preference basis .... i find this terribly annoying cause that 
prevent me to scroll a text to see a portion of code, and then to 
switch back and forth ....

i also have this undo stack disappearing ....


very strange

keep up the good work...textmate rocks

thanks



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 12:52:34 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 14:52:34 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] no one annoyed by the disappearing gutter????
In-Reply-To: <C02EEE98-235E-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
References: <C02EEE98-235E-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
Message-ID: <14051124-2360-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 14:43, olivier hericord wrote:

> i'm part of those weird guys that 'HATE' text wrapping.....
> in text mate disabling text wrapping leads the gutter to disappear 
> when scrolling horizontally .... do the gutter has to be attached that 
> way to the text?  i don't think so ...it should be a static bar on the 
> left of the GUI..... no?   seems crazy to all of you ?

It'll be static down the road -- while I'm ?prototyping? it's easier to 
keep it as part of the text view.


Kind regards Allan



From ivar at enskede.net  Thu Oct 21 13:58:26 2004
From: ivar at enskede.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ivar_=C5sell?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:58:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] no one annoyed by the disappearing gutter????
In-Reply-To: <14051124-2360-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C02EEE98-235E-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
	<14051124-2360-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <47BA1530-2369-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@enskede.net>

Talking about wrapping....
I loved the discrete red dotted line which indicated where the current 
wrap is
Why change it to grey out the area to the right? Might just as well 
make the document horizontally unresizable if you grey it out.

I just signed up to the list so it's very likely that I've missed a 
previous discussion on this topic. Please fill me in :)

I would love to see many GUI-settings in the preferences window. That's 
one of the hardest things for me, settle with a GUI.
My heart skipped a few beats when then status bar was moved to the top 
of the window. How ugly wasn't that :)
I immediatly thought "Lucky I haven't bought it yet" but now it's back 
where it belongs, and so is my reasoning.
Proberbly would be pretty easy to make that configurable so the user 
could choose to have it wherever he/she wiches.

More suggestions on what could fit into the preferences is a checklist 
on what menus to show.
I'm one of those that don't use the Behaviour- & Navigation menu.

Would be great to just let the user choose which menus to have visible 
to make the over all apperance of the app more 'easy-navigated'.

Kind Regards
Ivar ?sell



On 2004-10-21, at 14.52, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 21. Oct 2004, at 14:43, olivier hericord wrote:
>
>> i'm part of those weird guys that 'HATE' text wrapping.....
>> in text mate disabling text wrapping leads the gutter to disappear 
>> when scrolling horizontally .... do the gutter has to be attached 
>> that way to the text?  i don't think so ...it should be a static bar 
>> on the left of the GUI..... no?   seems crazy to all of you ?
>
> It'll be static down the road -- while I'm ?prototyping? it's easier 
> to keep it as part of the text view.
>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com  Thu Oct 21 14:30:05 2004
From: jpinnix at pixelgrazer.com (jeremy*pinnix)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:30:05 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
In-Reply-To: <A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
	<A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>

I'm not using any custom HTML or PHP bundles, and my HTML(PHP) syntax 
coloring is using a dark background now as well...


On Oct 21, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 21. Oct 2004, at 11:29, bongoman wrote:
>
>> All of a sudden my php pages are with a dark background (#2e2e2e) when
>> set to HTML(PHP) coloring.
>
> Interesting, since I'm quite sure the defaults are with a white 
> background!?!
>
>
> Kind regards Allan



From gavin at refinery.com  Thu Oct 21 14:33:14 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 08:33:14 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Shifting Selections and Folded Sections
Message-ID: <2409FB32-236E-11D9-BF76-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

1) If I put the cursor at the front of a collapsed, folded section and 
press tab, I expected (and desire) it to be the equivalent of 
performing a Shift Right on the entire fold.

2) (more controversial, perhaps) if I select a few lines, starting in 
the middle of the first line, I expect/desire Shift Right and Left to 
apply to the start of the line where the selection starts, not to 
insert tabs in the middle of it.

In the following example, | marks the start and end of the selection:


class Foo
	def bar
	puts "That's gre|at it starts with an earthquake"
	puts "birds and snakes and aeroplanes"
	puts "and Lenny |Bruce is not afraid."
	end
end

This selection is because I was in the middle of the word 'great' and 
performed shift+down arrow twice.

When I Shift Right, it should do this:
class Foo
	def bar
|		puts "That's great it starts with an earthquake"
		puts "birds and snakes and aeroplanes"
		puts "and Lenny Bruce is not afraid."           |
	end
end

And not this:
class Foo
	def bar
	puts "That's gre	|at it starts with an earthquake"
		puts "birds and snakes and aeroplanes"
		puts "and Lenny |Bruce is not afraid."
	end
end

A workaround that I suppose I could get used to is to perform Select 
Line after selecting the text, before shifting...but that should happen 
automatically. (As noted in the example, the act of shifting left/right 
should not only affect the entire line, it should also select the full 
lines.)

Operating in rectangular selection/column mode is a different story, 
but doesn't change how it should (IMO) behave in this case.
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From ivar at asell.se  Thu Oct 21 14:46:14 2004
From: ivar at asell.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ivar_=C5sell?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:46:14 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
In-Reply-To: <B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
References: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
	<A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
Message-ID: <F4E98922-236F-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@asell.se>

Mine too

Also, I just tested syntax-coloring with SmartTemplate and just noticed 
that { just looks for the first matching brace and changes 
background-color for that block.

hence, this would get ugly

class One {
	/* foo */

	function something() {
		/* bar */
	}

	/* more foo */
}

/* more foo */ would be without the changed block-background since the 
first { (after 'One') would match against the function something()s' }



On 2004-10-21, at 16.30, jeremy*pinnix wrote:

> I'm not using any custom HTML or PHP bundles, and my HTML(PHP) syntax 
> coloring is using a dark background now as well...
>
>
> On Oct 21, 2004, at 7:20 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>> On 21. Oct 2004, at 11:29, bongoman wrote:
>>
>>> All of a sudden my php pages are with a dark background (#2e2e2e) 
>>> when
>>> set to HTML(PHP) coloring.
>>
>> Interesting, since I'm quite sure the defaults are with a white 
>> background!?!
>>
>>
>> Kind regards Allan
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 14:48:19 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 16:48:19 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
In-Reply-To: <B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
References: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
	<A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
Message-ID: <3F6F2DA7-2370-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 16:30, jeremy*pinnix wrote:

> I'm not using any custom HTML or PHP bundles, and my HTML(PHP) syntax 
> coloring is using a dark background now as well...

Ah, my bad! It's the Smarty.tmbundle which has its own style for HTML 
(PHP), I didn't notice that :(

 From a terminal, write (one line):
    mkdir -p ~/Library/Application\ 
Support/TextMate/Bundles/Smarty.tmbundle/Syntaxes

Then it'll be gone (alternatively remove it from the TextMate.app by 
using Show Package Contents and navigate to Contents -> SharedSupport 
-> Bundles)!


Kind regards Allan



From sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm  Thu Oct 21 14:53:53 2004
From: sunsetandlabrea at fastmail.fm (Richard Chamberlain)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 15:53:53 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Find peculiarities
In-Reply-To: <C7BB8E35-235C-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <2BFBDB88-228D-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
	<3663CC40-22B2-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<DACFE420-22D6-11D9-8ADF-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>
	<C7BB8E35-235C-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <06A3F503-2371-11D9-8DF1-000393C93FE2@fastmail.fm>


On 21 Oct 2004, at 13:28, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 20. Oct 2004, at 22:30, Richard Chamberlain wrote:
>
>>> The reason for this is that if you e.g. search for a single word, 
>>> and that word is found, find next should not find the same word (if 
>>> there is only a single instance of that word), which is why I do not 
>>> search the selection (since what you just found ends up being 
>>> selected).
>> I think that needs changing. Could you not just record the position 
>> of the last find and not repeat it?
>
> There's actually also the case where e.g. I press cmd-e, cmd-g to find 
> the next occurrence of the selected text, here I do want it to beep, 
> if there is no other instance (instead of finding the current 
> selection).
>
> But I'll figure out something! :)

Cool. Thanks,

Richard



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 15:17:59 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:17:59 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
In-Reply-To: <F4E98922-236F-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@asell.se>
References: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
	<A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
	<F4E98922-236F-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@asell.se>
Message-ID: <6493E2A3-2374-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 16:46, Ivar ?sell wrote:

> Also, I just tested syntax-coloring with SmartTemplate and just 
> noticed that { just looks for the first matching brace and changes 
> background-color for that block.
>
> hence, this would get ugly
>
> class One {
> 	/* foo */
>
> 	function something() {
> 		/* bar */
> 	}
>
> 	/* more foo */
> }

But ehm... is this smarty syntax?


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 15:26:28 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 17:26:28 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] no one annoyed by the disappearing gutter????
In-Reply-To: <47BA1530-2369-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@enskede.net>
References: <C02EEE98-235E-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
	<14051124-2360-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<47BA1530-2369-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@enskede.net>
Message-ID: <93CD5D52-2375-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 15:58, Ivar ?sell wrote:

> I just signed up to the list so it's very likely that I've missed a 
> previous discussion on this topic. Please fill me in :)

There's a list archive, the highlight was requested by several people. 
The release notes mention how to disable it, although it'll still be a 
straight line (instead of dotted), but it won't do the highlight to the 
right of it.

> I would love to see many GUI-settings in the preferences window.

And I would like to concentrate a bit on actual productivity features 
(and missing functionality) before I start to maintain dozen of GUI 
settings! ;)

> I immediatly thought "Lucky I haven't bought it yet"

Yes, the horror if you'd actually supported the development of a 
product you seem to use and care about with $39...


Kind regards Allan



From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Thu Oct 21 15:23:39 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 10:23:39 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Syntax higlighting overriden by 1.0.1?
In-Reply-To: <3F6F2DA7-2370-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <8d5544d80410210229ec55267@mail.gmail.com>
	<A383BF82-235B-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<B379FF72-236D-11D9-8736-00039398A53E@pixelgrazer.com>
	<3F6F2DA7-2370-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <2F4D9115-2375-11D9-87C3-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>


On Oct 21, 2004, at 9:48 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 21. Oct 2004, at 16:30, jeremy*pinnix wrote:
>
>> I'm not using any custom HTML or PHP bundles, and my HTML(PHP) syntax 
>> coloring is using a dark background now as well...
>
> Ah, my bad! It's the Smarty.tmbundle which has its own style for HTML 
> (PHP), I didn't notice that :(
>
> From a terminal, write (one line):
>    mkdir -p ~/Library/Application\ 
> Support/TextMate/Bundles/Smarty.tmbundle/Syntaxes
>
> Then it'll be gone (alternatively remove it from the TextMate.app by 
> using Show Package Contents and navigate to Contents -> SharedSupport 
> -> Bundles)!

from my experience, I had to actually go into the 
TextMate.app/Contents/SharedSupport/Bundles/Smarty.tmbundle/Syntaxes 
and delete the HTML-PHP.plist.
Smarty.tmbundle did not exist in ~/Library/Application Support when I 
installed 1.01

furthermore ... I had my own bundle in the ~/Library which was not 
overriding the HTML-PHP.plist which would seem to be the correct 
behavior, no?  As soon as I deleted the TextMate.app Smarty 
HTML-PHP.plist, my custom HTML-PHP.plist was activated.

I think someone mentioned this before but I am still curious:  how does 
TextMate decide which plist in a ~/Library bundle will override 
another?

k

>
>
> Kind regards Allan
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From ivar at enskede.net  Thu Oct 21 16:40:49 2004
From: ivar at enskede.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ivar_=C5sell?=)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:40:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] no one annoyed by the disappearing gutter????
In-Reply-To: <93CD5D52-2375-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <C02EEE98-235E-11D9-82E5-000A95A4FC3A@free.fr>
	<14051124-2360-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<47BA1530-2369-11D9-A360-000393D3BC4A@enskede.net>
	<93CD5D52-2375-11D9-9A24-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <F6E3740C-237F-11D9-91A9-000393D3BC4A@enskede.net>

My money doesn't grow on trees

I'm a poor student you know :)

In a few years they will be growing on trees and then I will hopefully 
support products that "aren't yet what I'm looking for but someday 
perhaps will be"  :)

I'm seriously in lack of money so I will most certainly not buy TM 
until the 30th of october or something.
Pretty logic for a customer to evaluate the product first.

No offense, I like TM and will very likely buy it. Hope the money is as 
good then.

Kind Regards
Ivar

ps. thanks for the tip about the archive! Still thou, couldn't find 
anything realted to the greyed out area. Only found something about 
setting a custom wrap column. Point me in the right direction and I 
will quiet down :)


On 2004-10-21, at 17.26, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> I immediatly thought "Lucky I haven't bought it yet"
>
> Yes, the horror if you'd actually supported the development of a 
> product you seem to use and care about with $39...
>
>
> Kind regards Allan



From factoryjoe at factorycity.net  Thu Oct 21 16:40:03 2004
From: factoryjoe at factorycity.net (Chris Messina)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 09:40:03 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] Weird "refresh" when switching back to TextMate after
	a save.
In-Reply-To: <9ED35FB8-22C7-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>	<BF4ABF4A-22C3-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<9ED35FB8-22C7-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <4177E663.4000107@factorycity.net>

In a related occurrence, since TM doesn't yet support services, I'll 
open a file from a project in TM, double-click it to open the same file 
in SubEthaEdit (the default), insert the service output, save, and 
return to TM. Upon return, TM updates the file with the change, but if I 
had scrolled down into the document, TM refreshes and returns me to the 
top of the document.

It would be nice if, on refresh, TM would remember the location that I 
was at prior to the external save.

Chris

Dominique Peretti wrote:

> I can reproduce it 100% of the time.
>
> Open a project. (does not occur on a single file).
> Pick a quite big file (several screens long).
> Go around the middle of the file
> Edit it.
> Save.
> Move to another application.
> Switch back to TextMate.
> -> the scroll moves and centers around the caret.
>
> Dominique PERETTI
> http://www.lachoseinteractive.net
> On 20 oct. 04, at 20:13, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>> It seems that sometimes TextMate will think a folder reference is 
>> changed significantly, and it will refresh loaded files.
>>
>> This may also be why the undo stack is lost (as someone reported).
>>
>> Currently though, I have no idea when and how this happens (as I 
>> haven't been able to reproduce it myself yet).
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



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<http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=5&t=4>




From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Thu Oct 21 16:56:27 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 18:56:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Weird "refresh" when switching back to TextMate after
	a save.
In-Reply-To: <4177E663.4000107@factorycity.net>
References: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>	<BF4ABF4A-22C3-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<9ED35FB8-22C7-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<4177E663.4000107@factorycity.net>
Message-ID: <26393F1C-2382-11D9-9F19-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

The weird thing is that you don't have to re-save the document in 
another application to get it "re-init". Just save within TextMate, 
move to another application, switch back and blam!
Sometimes it moves to the caret, but sometimes it moves to the top and 
looses bookmarks.
I noticed that the drawser refreshes, too.

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net

On 21 oct. 04, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote:

> In a related occurrence, since TM doesn't yet support services, I'll 
> open a file from a project in TM, double-click it to open the same 
> file in SubEthaEdit (the default), insert the service output, save, 
> and return to TM. Upon return, TM updates the file with the change, 
> but if I had scrolled down into the document, TM refreshes and returns 
> me to the top of the document.
>
> It would be nice if, on refresh, TM would remember the location that I 
> was at prior to the external save.
>
> Chris
>
> Dominique Peretti wrote:
>
>> I can reproduce it 100% of the time.
>>
>> Open a project. (does not occur on a single file).
>> Pick a quite big file (several screens long).
>> Go around the middle of the file
>> Edit it.
>> Save.
>> Move to another application.
>> Switch back to TextMate.
>> -> the scroll moves and centers around the caret.
>>
>> Dominique PERETTI
>> http://www.lachoseinteractive.net
>> On 20 oct. 04, at 20:13, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>>
>>> It seems that sometimes TextMate will think a folder reference is 
>>> changed significantly, and it will refresh loaded files.
>>>
>>> This may also be why the undo stack is lost (as someone reported).
>>>
>>> Currently though, I have no idea when and how this happens (as I 
>>> haven't been able to reproduce it myself yet).
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
>
>
> -- 
>
> Do the evolution. Get Firefox! 
> <http://spreadfirefox.com/community/?q=affiliates&id=5&t=4>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From blalor at bravo5.org  Thu Oct 21 17:04:06 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 12:04:06 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] How to checkout bundles on svn?
In-Reply-To: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <252160F8-22C6-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <3778C4CB-2383-11D9-A9F3-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 20, 2004, at 1:30 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Expected version '2' of repository; found no version at all; is 
> '/media/subversion/repos' a valid repository path?

Sorry, guys, I hosed the directory containing my subversion directory.  
It's still there, but my kernel no longer supports XFS.  *sigh*

I'll tar up one of my working copies and make that available later 
today.

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 21 17:36:43 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:36:43 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Weird "refresh" when switching back to TextMate after
	a save.
In-Reply-To: <4177E663.4000107@factorycity.net>
References: <5C47DB18-22BF-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>	<BF4ABF4A-22C3-11D9-A947-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<9ED35FB8-22C7-11D9-8E53-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<4177E663.4000107@factorycity.net>
Message-ID: <C641B7C4-2387-11D9-8098-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 21. Oct 2004, at 18:40, Chris Messina wrote:

> In a related occurrence, since TM doesn't yet support services

ehm... TM does support services!?!

> It would be nice if, on refresh, TM would remember the location that I 
> was at prior to the external save.

Noted


Kind regards Allan



From gavin at refinery.com  Fri Oct 22 01:58:04 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 19:58:04 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Cmd-Shift-Arrow for Tab switching
Message-ID: <CFDE9504-23CD-11D9-A186-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

Is there a compelling reason to use cmd-opt-arrows for tab shifting?
Safari uses Cmd-Shift-Arrow...if there's no reason to stay with the 
current setting, I request that TextMate match Safari.
--
(-, /\ \/ / /\/



From gavin at refinery.com  Fri Oct 22 02:00:30 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Thu, 21 Oct 2004 20:00:30 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Cmd-Shift-Arrow for Tab switching
In-Reply-To: <CFDE9504-23CD-11D9-A186-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
References: <CFDE9504-23CD-11D9-A186-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>
Message-ID: <26F97C15-23CE-11D9-A186-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

On Oct 21, 2004, at 7:58 PM, Gavin Kistner wrote:
> Is there a compelling reason to use cmd-opt-arrows for tab shifting?
> Safari uses Cmd-Shift-Arrow...if there's no reason to stay with the 
> current setting, I request that TextMate match Safari.

Duh. Select-to-end-of-line.
I was just USING it :p

Ignore me :)



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 10:13:46 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:13:46 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] 1.01 piping script to Safari not working
Message-ID: <0F91BA16-2413-11D9-8493-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

i'm not sure when it happenend, but it sopped working, so I plopped a 
copy of Markdown.pl in:

~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/

which is same as:

/Users/tim/Library/Application Support/TextMate/

yes?

and now I get:

Base URL: file:///Users/tim/Documents/projects/GTD/waitingOn

/bin/sh: line 1: /Users/tim/Library/Application: No such file or 
directory


  help???
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From brent.bourgoine at gmail.com  Fri Oct 22 11:27:10 2004
From: brent.bourgoine at gmail.com (Brent Bourgoine)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 07:27:10 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] 1.01 piping script to Safari not working
In-Reply-To: <0F91BA16-2413-11D9-8493-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <0F91BA16-2413-11D9-8493-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <31a2592c041022042741b77e63@mail.gmail.com>

Just a guess, but you're referencing one of those paths from within
the perl script, correct?  In general, *nix scripts don't like spaces
in paths/filenames, so most likely you just need to escape the space
in the path.

~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/
/Users/tim/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/

Alternatively, you can probably wrap the path in quotes (either type
should do, unless you've got variables embedded, in which case you'll
want to use doublequotes).

-b3

(And yes, you're corect, the ~ should expand to your full home
directory path =) )

On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:13:46 -1000, Timothy Martens <timfm at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
> i'm not sure when it happenend, but it sopped working, so I plopped a
> copy of Markdown.pl in:
> 
> ~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/
> 
> which is same as:
> 
> /Users/tim/Library/Application Support/TextMate/
> 
> yes?
> 
> and now I get:
> 
> Base URL: file:///Users/tim/Documents/projects/GTD/waitingOn
> 
> /bin/sh: line 1: /Users/tim/Library/Application: No such file or
> directory
> 
>   help???
> 
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 
> 
> 


-- 
Brent Bourgoine
brent.bourgoine at gmail.com


From james at lazyatom.com  Fri Oct 22 11:55:46 2004
From: james at lazyatom.com (James Adam)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:55:46 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements
Message-ID: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>

(copied from http://interblah.net/2004/10/22/textmate-web-preview/ )

I have posted some feedback about the Web Preview to the  
[wiki](http://wiki.macromates.com), along with a  
[screenshot](http://www.lazyatom.com/media/images/textmate-web- 
preview.jpg). I'm happy to provide my revised .nib file too.

In summary, and in order of perceived importance, the changes are:

* changed the base font size of the OakWebPreview to 14 - this way it  
matches at least my setup for Safari and Firefox, and I'm not aware of  
every having changed the defaults in those apps. Either way, ENSURE  
that the font sizes are similar, otherwise the preview is pretty much  
useless.
* move, resize, relabel and re-anchor the "Back", "Forward", and  
"Reload" buttons. The top row of controls is now Back, Forward, URL,  
Reload. This more closely-matches real browsers. The Reload could be  
placed to the left of the URL, the important point is that these  
controls go on top
* Remove the window texture - it's unnecessary, and unattractive. This  
isn't a rant against metal, I like metal, it's just *better* as aqua  
here.
* Resize the "Show Options" checkbox to "small", and place it flush  
against the bottom of the view. Then Increase the vertical size of the  
OakWebPreview accordingly.

### Feature Requests

1. Have the web preview always shown, if it has been opened. It should  
then display whatever is in the selected tab, if the file meets some  
"web previewable" criteria. If the current tab is showing an html file,  
or a php file, or a .asp file, change the web preview to it, otherwise,  
leave it displaying the last file that did match.
This will enable a lot of very useful editing, like changing the CSS  
and having the preview update automagically, as outlined next.

2. Have another option which updates the preview, after whatever delay,  
if ANY file in the project is changed. This way, I can:
     * edit an html, open the web preview
     * check the NEW "update if any file is modified" option on the web  
preview (a project-persistent option)
     * switch to the CSS (or JS, whatever) in the project. Note that  
since CSS/JS aren't "previewable", the web preview window still shows  
the html file
     * as changes are made to the file, the web preview is told to  
update, with whatever delay
     * now, the consequences of any changes I make to external files are  
updated automatically in the preview
     This feature would REALLY kick ass. You know it.

3. Keep the "Base URL" persistent within a single project. Store the  
base url within that project! This doesn't require a preference, just  
each time it's manually updated, change the entry in the .tmproj file


None of these features/fixes are very hard, nor can I think of any way  
that they negatively impair the current workings of TextMate - what are  
the chances of seeing any of them in 1.0.2?



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Fri Oct 22 14:33:35 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:33:35 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
References: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
Message-ID: <5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 22/10/2004, at 9:55 PM, James Adam wrote:

> * changed the base font size of the OakWebPreview to 14 - this way it 
> matches at least my setup for Safari and Firefox, and I'm not aware of 
> every having changed the defaults in those apps. Either way, ENSURE 
> that the font sizes are similar, otherwise the preview is pretty much 
> useless.

Firefox and Safari and pretty much every other browser ship with 16px 
-- I'm 99% certain of this.  Eventually a preference is planned for you 
to pick your own I think.  When the first betas shipped, it was set to 
12, but people complained about it not being like Safari and Firefox, 
so whatyagonnado?

Can't please everyone until there's a font size preview -- and even if 
TM were to preview things EXACTLY the way YOU prefer (14px), it's only 
previewing your Safari/Firefox set-up, not previewing my set-up, or 
some guy down the road surfing the web on his XBox.

It's a quick and handy HTML preview, not a full-on browser... and isn't 
that good enough?

Personally, I still use Safari, and don't use TM's web preview at all.


Justin





From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Fri Oct 22 14:41:33 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 09:41:33 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] PHPDoc bundle released
Message-ID: <77D16CC0-2438-11D9-87C3-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>

This is a very simple set of snippets to automate your PHP Documentor 
tags [http://www.phpdoc.org/] while writing PHP classes using TextMate.

download: http://farmdev.com/downloads/PHPDoc.tar.gz

Here are the commands:

phpdoc_c : creates a PHPDoc class block
phpdoc_d : creates a PHPDoc definition block (constant definition)
phpdoc_f : creates a PHPDoc function block
phpdoc_h : creates a PHPDoc header for the top of your script
phpdoc_v : creates a PHPDoc class variable

** There is a very nice feature in TextMate that allows you to 
reference a cursor position in a snippet by simply repeating the 
numeric variable.  What I like to do when writing functions is always 
comment the end of the function with its name so you know what the last 
trailing bracket is closing.  This is fully automated for class and 
function blocks.  As an example:

function do_something($input)
{
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
     // lots of code ...
} // END function do_something($input)

I must also say that with TextMate 1.0.1 I am sold!  Many thanks to the 
dev team and hopefully my license will help keep things moving.  And 
feel free to include this in the default package if you see fit.

---

Here is a complete example of how a script would look using these 
snippets :

<?php

/**
  * Description of document
  *
  * @author Author Name
  * @version $Id$
  * @copyright Author Name, 22 October, 2004
  * @package default
  **/

/**
  * Define DocBlock
  **/

  /**
   * undocumented class
   *
   * @package default
   * @author author
   **/
  class Some_Class
  {
     /**
      * undocumented class variable
      *
      * @access public
      * @var string
      **/
     var $some_var;

     /**
      * undocumented function
      *
      * @access public
      * @return void
      * @param string $input
      * @author author
      **/
     function do_something_cool($input)
     {
     } // END function do_something_cool($input)
  } // END class Some_Class


?>



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Fri Oct 22 15:13:29 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 17:13:29 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements -> output of a command
In-Reply-To: <5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
	<5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <EE5B1170-243C-11D9-9F19-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

I do'nt use web preview neither (who still writes static html ??) BUT I 
would if the web preview could be used as the output of a custom 
TextMate command.
One could the call a script whose output would be well designed html to 
display a complex error log, for instance.

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net

On 22 oct. 04, at 16:33, Justin French wrote:

> On 22/10/2004, at 9:55 PM, James Adam wrote:
>
>> * changed the base font size of the OakWebPreview to 14 - this way it 
>> matches at least my setup for Safari and Firefox, and I'm not aware 
>> of every having changed the defaults in those apps. Either way, 
>> ENSURE that the font sizes are similar, otherwise the preview is 
>> pretty much useless.
>
> Firefox and Safari and pretty much every other browser ship with 16px 
> -- I'm 99% certain of this.  Eventually a preference is planned for 
> you to pick your own I think.  When the first betas shipped, it was 
> set to 12, but people complained about it not being like Safari and 
> Firefox, so whatyagonnado?
>
> Can't please everyone until there's a font size preview -- and even if 
> TM were to preview things EXACTLY the way YOU prefer (14px), it's only 
> previewing your Safari/Firefox set-up, not previewing my set-up, or 
> some guy down the road surfing the web on his XBox.
>
> It's a quick and handy HTML preview, not a full-on browser... and 
> isn't that good enough?
>
> Personally, I still use Safari, and don't use TM's web preview at all.
>
>
> Justin
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Fri Oct 22 15:48:24 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 10:48:24 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements -> output of a command
In-Reply-To: <EE5B1170-243C-11D9-9F19-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
References: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
	<5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<EE5B1170-243C-11D9-9F19-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <CE839519-2441-11D9-87C3-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>


On Oct 22, 2004, at 10:13 AM, Dominique Peretti wrote:

> I do'nt use web preview neither (who still writes static html ??) BUT 
> I would if the web preview could be used as the output of a custom 
> TextMate command.
> One could the call a script whose output would be well designed html 
> to display a complex error log, for instance.

Just my opinion but why not let your command do this instead?  you 
could pipe it to safari or end in `open -a Safari /tmp/error_test.html`

While I'm at it .. I would also vote to not put too much development 
into WebPreview since Safari is only a command-tab + command-R away.... 
unless there was a feature like SubEthaEdit that did WebPreview in 
realtime as you type.


k

>
> Dominique PERETTI
> http://www.lachoseinteractive.net
>
> On 22 oct. 04, at 16:33, Justin French wrote:
>
>> On 22/10/2004, at 9:55 PM, James Adam wrote:
>>
>>> * changed the base font size of the OakWebPreview to 14 - this way 
>>> it matches at least my setup for Safari and Firefox, and I'm not 
>>> aware of every having changed the defaults in those apps. Either 
>>> way, ENSURE that the font sizes are similar, otherwise the preview 
>>> is pretty much useless.
>>
>> Firefox and Safari and pretty much every other browser ship with 16px 
>> -- I'm 99% certain of this.  Eventually a preference is planned for 
>> you to pick your own I think.  When the first betas shipped, it was 
>> set to 12, but people complained about it not being like Safari and 
>> Firefox, so whatyagonnado?
>>
>> Can't please everyone until there's a font size preview -- and even 
>> if TM were to preview things EXACTLY the way YOU prefer (14px), it's 
>> only previewing your Safari/Firefox set-up, not previewing my set-up, 
>> or some guy down the road surfing the web on his XBox.
>>
>> It's a quick and handy HTML preview, not a full-on browser... and 
>> isn't that good enough?
>>
>> Personally, I still use Safari, and don't use TM's web preview at all.
>>
>>
>> Justin
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.net  Fri Oct 22 16:18:49 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.net (Dominique PERETTI)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 18:18:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements -> output of a command
In-Reply-To: <CE839519-2441-11D9-87C3-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
	<5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<EE5B1170-243C-11D9-9F19-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>
	<CE839519-2441-11D9-87C3-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <0E4F34BD-2446-11D9-9F19-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>

>> I do'nt use web preview neither (who still writes static html ??) BUT 
>> I would if the web preview could be used as the output of a custom 
>> TextMate command.
>> One could the call a script whose output would be well designed html 
>> to display a complex error log, for instance.
>
> Just my opinion but why not let your command do this instead?  you 
> could pipe it to safari or end in `open -a Safari 
> /tmp/error_test.html`

I do such a thing currently. I'm just pro the cool factor :-)

> While I'm at it .. I would also vote to not put too much development 
> into WebPreview since Safari is only a command-tab + command-R 
> away.... unless there was a feature like SubEthaEdit that did 
> WebPreview in realtime as you type.
>

But at the same time, I agree with you. There is a lot to be done (the 
"refresh" bug drives me nuts) right now before the developers should 
take time for new features (expect maybe the function popup :-) ).



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 22:58:26 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 12:58:26 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] 1.01 piping script to Safari not working
In-Reply-To: <31a2592c041022042741b77e63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F91BA16-2413-11D9-8493-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<31a2592c041022042741b77e63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2202607-247D-11D9-AEC4-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 22, 2004, at 1:27 AM, Brent Bourgoine wrote:

> Just a guess, but you're referencing one of those paths from within
> the perl script, correct?

I don't believe so, but I'm not sure.

> In general, *nix scripts don't like spaces
> in paths/filenames, so most likely you just need to escape the space
> in the path.

Understood
>
> ~/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/
> /Users/tim/Library/Application\ Support/TextMate/
>
> Alternatively, you can probably wrap the path in quotes (either type
> should do, unless you've got variables embedded, in which case you'll
> want to use doublequotes).

Tried both escapes and quoted strings -- neither worked.

Any other ideas?

  -t

>
> -b3
>
> (And yes, you're corect, the ~ should expand to your full home
> directory path =) )
>
> On Fri, 22 Oct 2004 00:13:46 -1000, Timothy Martens 
> <timfm at hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
>> i'm not sure when it happenend, but it sopped working, so I plopped a
>> copy of Markdown.pl in:
>>
>> ~/Library/Application Support/TextMate/
>>
>> which is same as:
>>
>> /Users/tim/Library/Application Support/TextMate/
>>
>> yes?
>>
>> and now I get:
>>
>> Base URL: file:///Users/tim/Documents/projects/GTD/waitingOn
>>
>> /bin/sh: line 1: /Users/tim/Library/Application: No such file or
>> directory
>>
>>   help???
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> textmate mailing list
>> textmate at lists.macromates.com
>> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Brent Bourgoine
> brent.bourgoine at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 23:05:02 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:05:02 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] 1.01 piping script to Safari not working
In-Reply-To: <31a2592c041022042741b77e63@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0F91BA16-2413-11D9-8493-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<31a2592c041022042741b77e63@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE2D3413-247E-11D9-AEC4-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

fixed it - my bad syntax!



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct 22 23:09:04 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 13:09:04 -1000
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <4F42C778-2421-11D9-9B16-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
	<5AF2B00C-2437-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <5E808058-247F-11D9-B107-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 22, 2004, at 4:33 AM, Justin French wrote:

> On 22/10/2004, at 9:55 PM, James Adam wrote:
>
>> * changed the base font size of the OakWebPreview to 14 - this way it 
>> matches at least my setup for Safari and Firefox, and I'm not aware 
>> of every having changed the defaults in those apps. Either way, 
>> ENSURE that the font sizes are similar, otherwise the preview is 
>> pretty much useless.
>
> Firefox and Safari and pretty much every other browser ship with 16px 
> -- I'm 99% certain of this.  Eventually a preference is planned for 
> you to pick your own I think.  When the first betas shipped, it was 
> set to 12, but people complained about it not being like Safari and 
> Firefox, so whatyagonnado?

While I agree with most of Jame's suggestions for improving web preview 
(In fact I have a few of my own) I have to side with Justin here. You 
should leave the Browser default text size alone especially when 
testing design & accessibility.



From james at lazyatom.com  Fri Oct 22 23:16:35 2004
From: james at lazyatom.com (James Adam)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:16:35 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements -> output of a command
Message-ID: <6AFEAC93-2480-11D9-A11C-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>

 > unless there was a feature like SubEthaEdit that did WebPreview in
 > realtime as you type.

Umm... it does.

- James



From james at lazyatom.com  Fri Oct 22 23:46:23 2004
From: james at lazyatom.com (James Adam)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 00:46:23 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements
Message-ID: <94F13336-2484-11D9-A11C-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>

Hello all.

I'm not sure why people have seized upon this font-size issue. It is, 
as a few people have already noted, a minor point, and anyone who 
really cares can change it just like I did. What is *really* important 
are the other, functional behaviour changes I suggested:

1. Store the Base URL in the project file. Why must I retype this every 
time the Preview disappears, speaking of which:

2. Keep the preview open until *I* close it, don't make it disappear. 
If a user opened it, chances are they're doing web design, and they'll 
want to use it again. This shouldn't be hard, right?

3. Change the preview to display the contents of the current tab *if 
that tab is HTML*. Quick Hint: if you are syntax-highlighting something 
as HTML, you should sensibly be able to preview it. Likewise for PHP. 
This is a bit trickier, yes.

4. Have an option to update the view if *any* project file changes. 
This is probably on a par in implementational difficulty with the 
previous suggestion.

---

Justin says:
> Firefox and Safari and pretty much every other browser ship with 16px
> -- I'm 99% certain of this.  Eventually a preference is planned for 
> you 
> to pick your own I think.  When the first betas shipped, it was set to
> 12, but people complained about it not being like Safari and Firefox,
> so whatyagonnado?

Set it to the same value as Safari and Firefox - surely the majority of 
the mac browser share. Why would you ever set it differently? Why 
12pts? ...

> Can't please everyone until there's a font size preview -- and even if
> TM were to preview things EXACTLY the way YOU prefer (14px), it's only
> previewing your Safari/Firefox set-up, not previewing my set-up, or
> some guy down the road surfing the web on his XBox.

... if the font value was the same as the default for other browsers, 
you'd please *most* people. If that's 16pts, not 14pts, fine - i was 
just guessing as I hacked around. I could be wrong, and in this case, 
my eyes were a few pts out :)

My point is, why is TextMate deliberately different from what seems to 
be the standard here?

> It's a quick and handy HTML preview, not a full-on browser... and isn't
> that good enough?

For a preview to be useful, it needs to be somewhat accurate, 
especially if you are using it for CSS design. I don't ask for a full 
on browser (presumably by that you mean history, bookmarks?), just a 
quick pane that displays reasonably accurately what the page I'm 
hacking up will look like in most browsers.

Timothy says:
> I have to side with Justin here. You
> should leave the Browser default text size alone especially when
> testing design & accessibility.

I'm not suggesting that I'd want to change it as part of my design 
process. Just that it be set to a better default value.

I'll repeat - I don't understand why the OakWebPreview sets it's 
default to 12pts if the two most popular browsers are different. I'd 
love to hear a justification. A preference to change it at some point 
would be great, but clearly isn't high-priority, nor do I feel it 
should be. Just set the default sensibly - doesn't that better fit the 
TextMate philosophy of "no preferences"?

Someone wondered if anyone codes static HTML pages any more. Surely the 
answer is YES! Pretty much everyone does. Most design takes place using 
placeholder content - a static page - which is the broken up and fed to 
the appropriate dynamic parts of Rails, Smarty or whatever. If there 
are people designing html using only fragments and relying on dynamic 
systems to put them all together without even once just checking that 
the html jigsaw pieces they are carving fit together nicely, well kudos 
to you :) I must be old school, but I design the whole page first (with 
forethought, of course), and then separate the components into 
different files/functions.

Kumar said:
> I would also vote to not put too much development
> into WebPreview since Safari is only a command-tab + command-R away....
> unless there was a feature like SubEthaEdit that did WebPreview in
> realtime as you type.

The Web Preview *does* auto-update, like SubEthaEdit, unless I am 
imagining things, and that is what makes it most useful. Why hit the 
keyboard at all if you don't have to.

---

I've suggested some simple aesthetic changes, and some simple 
behavioural changes that AFAIK won't take more than a few hours 
consideration, but will surely improve the usefulness of the Web 
Preview feature for those of us that do feel it is handy. The font-size 
note is tiny compared to these other 'ideas'.

Does anyone else think Web Preview is useful? If you don't use it... 
you've not lost anything. If you do, you've gained a lot.

I hope I've made my case more effectively here, thanks for reading guys.

- James



From phiporiphic at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 01:05:54 2004
From: phiporiphic at gmail.com (John Blitch)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 21:05:54 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Thoughts on doubleclick selection
Message-ID: <6ac1a5aa04102218057282b0c7@mail.gmail.com>

Hello!

I have to get this out of my system: this is possibly my favorite new
mac app. Amazing work!

Anyway, these are my thoughts about how TextMate should respond to
double-clicks on text, based on my preferences and the way other mac
applications like BBedit or TextEdit perform.

When I double click on whitespace, I like for the selection to stop at
the beginning/end of the line, or the nearest adjacent non-whitespace
character, whichcever comes first:

[     ]word word

Textmate selects the white space until the beginning/end of the line,
or the nearest adjacent word, whichever comes first:

[     word] word

When I double click on a word, and then shift click to the right or
left of the selected word, I like the selection to expand to include
the word or whitespace I shift-clicked on:

     [word] --> [     word]

Textmate, interestingly, does this when I click to the right of a
selected word, but when I click to the left of one, the selection is
changed to the characters between where I clicked and the beginning of
the old selection:

     word [word] --> [word ]word

I'd say it's praise that this is my biggest gripe after switching to
TextMate a little less than 24 hours ago. Yeay textmate!

John


From gavin at refinery.com  Sat Oct 23 01:48:21 2004
From: gavin at refinery.com (Gavin Kistner)
Date: Fri, 22 Oct 2004 19:48:21 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Ruby Syntax :: arguments in single-line methods
Message-ID: <9EC918E0-2495-11D9-845E-000A959CF5AC@refinery.com>

def self.extend_object( obj ); self.setup_for( obj ); end

In the above, TextMate (v1.0.1) is treating everything from the first 
paren to the last paren as the argument list. Should account for the 
above, as well as:

def foo( bar=")" ); puts( 'yay' ); end;
--
(-, /\ \/ / /\/



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Sat Oct 23 02:03:23 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 04:03:23 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Thoughts on doubleclick selection
In-Reply-To: <6ac1a5aa04102218057282b0c7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6ac1a5aa04102218057282b0c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B8738E54-2497-11D9-8C54-0003930EC15C@lachoseinteractive.com>

I just want to say that I 100% agree with that !

On 23 oct. 04, at 03:05, John Blitch wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I have to get this out of my system: this is possibly my favorite new
> mac app. Amazing work!
>
> Anyway, these are my thoughts about how TextMate should respond to
> double-clicks on text, based on my preferences and the way other mac
> applications like BBedit or TextEdit perform.
>
> When I double click on whitespace, I like for the selection to stop at
> the beginning/end of the line, or the nearest adjacent non-whitespace
> character, whichcever comes first:
>
> [     ]word word
>
> Textmate selects the white space until the beginning/end of the line,
> or the nearest adjacent word, whichever comes first:
>
> [     word] word
>
> When I double click on a word, and then shift click to the right or
> left of the selected word, I like the selection to expand to include
> the word or whitespace I shift-clicked on:
>
>      [word] --> [     word]
>
> Textmate, interestingly, does this when I click to the right of a
> selected word, but when I click to the left of one, the selection is
> changed to the characters between where I clicked and the beginning of
> the old selection:
>
>      word [word] --> [word ]word
>
> I'd say it's praise that this is my biggest gripe after switching to
> TextMate a little less than 24 hours ago. Yeay textmate!
>
> John
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Sat Oct 23 02:05:27 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 12:05:27 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Web Preview Enhancements
In-Reply-To: <94F13336-2484-11D9-A11C-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
References: <94F13336-2484-11D9-A11C-000A9567799A@lazyatom.com>
Message-ID: <02693E88-2498-11D9-943A-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 23/10/2004, at 9:46 AM, James Adam wrote:

> Hello all.
>
> I'm not sure why people have seized upon this font-size issue. It is, 
> as a few people have already noted, a minor point, and anyone who 
> really cares can change it just like I did. What is *really* important 
> are the other, functional behaviour changes I suggested:

no need to repeat them -- we can see further up the thread :)

I just commented on the point which I knew the background of (in 
discussions with Allan), and which I had an opinion on.

Justin



From infolists at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 05:20:33 2004
From: infolists at gmail.com (bongoman)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 15:20:33 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Versiontracker?
Message-ID: <8d5544d804102222202f15cf2c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm wondering if there is a reason TextMate is not listed on versiontracker.com?

Just curious....

bongoman


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 23 06:16:28 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 08:16:28 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Treat files with... where is info stored?
Message-ID: <1gm3nqs.1wad35mlxcx9sM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi All,

    In the project drawer, a right-click on a file icon opens a dialog
where one can find : 
    Treat Files with ".xxx" Extension as Text
    Where does TM store this infos afterwards? Did not find anything in
"Application Support" nor in "Preferences"

    The point is to have TM consider files with a variable extension as
text, like the ones I have to deal with : the extension is a 8-digit
number representing the date the document was edited (*.20041023 for
instance)

    Thanks,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From mummer at whitefalls.org  Sat Oct 23 07:09:46 2004
From: mummer at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 02:09:46 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Versiontracker?
In-Reply-To: <8d5544d804102222202f15cf2c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8d5544d804102222202f15cf2c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <85842CC8-24C2-11D9-A377-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

> I'm wondering if there is a reason TextMate is not listed on 
> versiontracker.com?

Don't know about Version Tracker, I sent in the listing on MacUpdate 
after they ignored it for over 24 hours. :/



From allan at ghostgum.com  Sat Oct 23 12:14:46 2004
From: allan at ghostgum.com (allan at ghostgum.com)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:14:46 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] VersionTracker responds
Message-ID: <20F10C32-24ED-11D9-98F3-000A95EB3F88@ghostgum.com>

Emailed VersionTracker earlier today and just got this reply:

>
> On Oct 23, 2004, at 2:06 AM, Allan Moult wrote:
>
>> How come you haven't got TextMate listed?
>
> Good pointer - just got it. Thanks for keeping us on the ball, and 
> have a great weekend!
> --
> Michael Kincaid - Mac Content Editor
> VersionTracker: http://versiontracker.com

Looking forward to the feedback.

Allan [the other one]



From nis.sarup at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 21:13:29 2004
From: nis.sarup at gmail.com (Nis Sarup)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:13:29 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] htmlentitizing text
Message-ID: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>

Howdy textmaters. (that does sound kinda naughty, doesn't it?)

As I live in Denmark I commonly use the special danish characters ???,
and has tried to make a command to the php htmlentities(9 command on
the selected text:

php -r "echo htmlentities('$TM_SELECTED_TEXT', ENT_QUOTES);"

But, alas, as in the terminal ??? gets mangled into
\303\246\303\270\303\245 before being entitized.
<, &, ", '  and other "normal" special chars gets converted just fine.
Is there a workaround for the brutal mangling of the innocent danish characters?

I know there is already a "Convert to entities" command, but it
converts every character, not just the special ones. And its a bit of
a chore to select every instance of a special character and running a
command on it.

Any thoughts? Anyone?

Nis "Have-a-nice-day" Sarup.

--
BTW: I have 5 Gmail invites. Write me at nis.sarup at gmail.com if you
are in desperate need of a new and fancy email.


From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 23 22:57:25 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 00:57:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] htmlentitizing text
In-Reply-To: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 23. Oct 2004, at 23:13, Nis Sarup wrote:

> But, alas, as in the terminal ??? gets mangled into
> \303\246\303\270\303\245 before being entitized.
> <, &, ", '  and other "normal" special chars gets converted just fine.
> Is there a workaround for the brutal mangling of the innocent danish 
> characters?

TextMate "exports" all text as utf-8. So ?, ?, and ? would be "mangled" 
as such (I've been wanting to put that in the manual! ;) ).

If you only work with latin-1 characters, you could make the command 
like this (two lines):

TM_LATIN_1=`echo $TM_SELECTED_TEXT | iconv -f utf-8 -t iso-8859-1`
php -r "echo htmlentities('$TM_LATIN_1', ENT_QUOTES);"

For me that turns: ?blegr?d og r?d gr?d med fl?de er godt!
Into: &AElig;blegr&oslash;d og r&oslash;d gr&oslash;d med fl&oslash;de 
er godt!

There's also a php version of iconv, but I do not think it's in the 
version shipped by Apple.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 23 23:01:42 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:01:42 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Treat files with... where is info stored?
In-Reply-To: <1gm3r8i.13k5x171t4rxwfM%jose.campos+spam@galacsys.com>
References: <1gm3r8i.13k5x171t4rxwfM%jose.campos+spam@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <8130AB49-2547-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 23. Oct 2004, at 9:23, Jos? Campos wrote:

>> [...] the extension is a 8-digit number representing the date the 
>> document was edited (*.20041023 for instance)
>     and added : <string>[0-9]+</string>
>     But it does not seem to ork

One of the few places I decided not to use a regex or shell command ;)

Would it be possible for you to add an extra .txt to the file names?

I _could_ make the file extensions regular expressions, but I would 
prefer a user workaround, since the rest of OS X does use fixed text 
extensions more or less exclusively (if we ignore the legacy stuff with 
four characters creator/type codes).


Kind regards Allan



From nis.sarup at gmail.com  Sat Oct 23 23:12:03 2004
From: nis.sarup at gmail.com (Nis Sarup)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 01:12:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] htmlentitizing text
In-Reply-To: <E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <4df8d4da04102316125a37fa08@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Allan.
That works wonderfully :)


From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sun Oct 24 04:05:35 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 06:05:35 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Treat files with... where is info stored?
In-Reply-To: <8130AB49-2547-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1gm5cax.g81aismie6liM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> Would it be possible for you to add an extra .txt to the file names?

    Of course, it's possible, that's what I do currently, but as I'm a
bit lazy, I was wondering if....
> 
> I _could_ make the file extensions regular expressions, but I would 
> prefer a user workaround, since the rest of OS X does use fixed text 
> extensions more or less exclusively (if we ignore the legacy stuff with
> four characters creator/type codes).

    OK that good reasons. I could perhaps dowload these files (which are
log files that come from my website hoster) in a folder associated with
"Folder Actions Setup".

    Thanks. Have a nice day,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From erichsu at math.sfsu.edu  Sun Oct 24 06:42:59 2004
From: erichsu at math.sfsu.edu (Eric Hsu)
Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2004 23:42:59 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] cool tip & bug
In-Reply-To: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>

1. I think the program rocks.

2. I was writing some HTML and I had the need to have a command that 
jumped to the *inside* of the next tag. I couldn't figure out how to 
do this in TM (or any other editor), playing with snippets and Perl 
shell command ideas until I realized I could record a macro that did:

find <(.*?)> as regular expression
hit left arrow (to go to start of found selection), hit right arrow 
(to skip over the <)
find [^>]* to select all characters up to the >.

It works just great.

3. In some corner of my head I feel like snippets, macros and 
commands should really all be one type of automation entity. I'm not 
sure how to do that, but it's a little confusing to have so much 
power distributed across three different kinds of triggers...

4. Actual interface bug (in my opinion). If you start a selection, 
say in the middle of the screen, and drag up past the window top, TM 
should select everything up through the first character of the 
document. Instead, it only selects up to the first line stopping at 
the original column.

- Eric
-- 
Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics
San Francisco State University
erichsu at math.sfsu.edu
http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu


From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 24 13:40:25 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 15:40:25 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Unification of snippets,
	macros & commands (was: cool tip & bug)
In-Reply-To: <p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
Message-ID: <429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 24. Oct 2004, at 8:42, Eric Hsu wrote:

> 3. In some corner of my head I feel like snippets, macros and commands 
> should really all be one type of automation entity. I'm not sure how 
> to do that, but it's a little confusing to have so much power 
> distributed across three different kinds of triggers...

I've been thinking about this myself. I also want templates, drag 
commands, and upcoming "project drawer commands" to be rolled into this 
unification.

In a way, a snippet could be viewed as a normal command, but with 'cat' 
as the interpreter instead of 'bash' (with output set to 'insert as 
snippet').

In a similar way, a macro could also just have another interpreter 
(e.g. 'AppleScript' in the future).

Templates (and drag commands) already are basically just commands, and 
moving them into this unification allows the former to also utilize the 
snippet features (i.e. to have placeholders in the templates).

With regard to the actual trigger, the snippet trigger is basically 
just a multi-stroke hotkey -- I'd like to change this to be a regular 
expression instead (but with slightly changed semantics, in that it'll 
always do non-greedy matching) and introduce some special codes for the 
various modifier keys, then this would be a superset of both hotkeys 
and snippet triggers, but allow so much more customizability, e.g. a 
trigger could be: "\n}" and the command could do a shift-left (i.e. the 
requested de-indent pattern).

There should be an option whether to leave the trigger in the text or 
not (before executing the command).

The downside is that there may be a little more work required, i.e. 
currently the '\t' after the snippet trigger is implicit, and the 'cat' 
interpreter is also implicit.

I'd be interested in hearing peoples thoughts on the issue!


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 24 14:00:52 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:00:52 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] htmlentitizing text
In-Reply-To: <E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1DBFDF82-25C5-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 24. Oct 2004, at 0:57, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> TextMate "exports" all text as utf-8. So ?, ?, and ? would be 
> "mangled" as such (I've been wanting to put that in the manual! ;) ).
>
> If you only work with latin-1 characters, you could make the command 
> like this (two lines):

I just read the PHP manual for htmlentities, and it turns out that the 
encoding can be given as a third argument, so instead let the command 
be:
    php -r "echo htmlentities('$TM_SELECTED_TEXT', ENT_QUOTES, 'UTF-8');"

Then it'll work for all characters.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 24 14:14:27 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:14:27 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] htmlentitizing text
In-Reply-To: <1DBFDF82-25C5-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<1DBFDF82-25C5-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <039E56D4-25C7-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 24. Oct 2004, at 16:00, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> If you only work with latin-1 characters, you could make the command 
>> like this (two lines):
> I just read the PHP manual for htmlentities [...]

I knew I couldn't leave this one alone... the command I gave has a 
problem if the selected text has an apostrophe due to quoting, here's a 
command that should work:

    php -r 'echo htmlentities(stripslashes($_ENV["TM_SELECTED_TEXT"]), 
ENT_QUOTES, "UTF-8");'

Not sure why you want the ENT_QUOTES option?


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 24 22:27:08 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:27:08 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
Message-ID: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

So after a few days of (hopefully) well deserved vacation, I'm back to 
TM development, and I'm currently adding support for printing.

But printing plain text from a plain text editor is really alien to me 
;) so I was curious, what options do people expect to see?

I.e. should it always be soft wrapped? Should the font be changeable in 
the printing dialog, or just use the document font? Should it have the 
option to print with/without line numbers? Another tab-size? How about 
syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a quartz 
filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)? etc. etc.

If you do use/desire printing, let me know which ?options? you use 
(let's try not to mention all the things printing _could_ have) and 
what stuff you actually do print (as plain text), especially the latter 
will help me better understand the target audience for this feature!


Kind regards Allan



From profprof at mac.com  Sun Oct 24 21:50:13 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:50:13 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] multiple folding structures for latex
Message-ID: <4319767.1098654613937.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

Hello,

I am trying to improve the syntaxe for the Latex bundle. However, I am not familiar with plist. 

In addition to structures of the type 

\begin{..}

\end{...}

I would like to add a folding of the \section, \chapter, \subsection structure. 

For this, I thought of adding in a snipped a line at the end of these structures which would be considered as a comment by Latex:

\section{This is a section}


%\end-section{This is a section}

\section{A new section}
....

I have tried to modified the current Latex.plist to :

         <key>foldingStartMarker</key>
           <string>(\\begin\{.*\}|\\(((sub)*section)|(chapter)|(paragraph)|(part))(\*?)\{.*\})</string>
           <key>foldingStopMarker</key>
           <string>(\\end\{.*\}|%\\end-(((sub)*section)|(chapter)|(paragraph)|(part))(\*?)\{.*\})</string>

However, this does not work very well as if there is any substructure in a \section of the type (\end{equation}, for example), the folding occurs from \section to \end{equation}.

Anybody could tell me how to correct that??

I thank you in advance!


    Normand Mousseau
    



From joost at greenskin.net  Sun Oct 24 22:16:49 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:16:49 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Click on tab character cursos
Message-ID: <417C29D1.50007@greenskin.net>

Little thingie: A click on a tab (\t) character should place the cursor 
after the tab, not before it.

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar


From profprof at mac.com  Mon Oct 25 00:12:58 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 20:12:58 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <16295010.1098663178778.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

 
>So after a few days of (hopefully) well deserved vacation, I'm back to 
>TM development, and I'm currently adding support for printing.

Great!


>I.e. should it always be soft wrapped? Should the font be changeable in 
>the printing dialog, or just use the document font? Should it have the 
>option to print with/without line numbers? Another tab-size? How about 
>syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a quartz 
>filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)? etc. etc.

I would love if it could something in the a2ps style, i.e.:

(1) soft wrapped text
(2) keep syntax-highlight when printing
(3) allow toprint with line numbers


Thanks in advance,

Normand Mousseau




From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 00:14:07 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 02:14:07 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] multiple folding structures for latex
In-Reply-To: <4319767.1098654613937.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
References: <4319767.1098654613937.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C982BAA7-261A-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 24. Oct 2004, at 23:50, profprof at mac.com wrote:

> However, this does not work very well as if there is any substructure 
> in a \section of the type (\end{equation}, for example), the folding 
> occurs from \section to \end{equation}.

Currently TM only uses the indentation to match begin/end patterns, so 
having nesting with same indentation level is currently not possible -- 
a limitation I hope to lift in the future.


Kind regards Allan



From profprof at mac.com  Sun Oct 24 21:31:22 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 17:31:22 -0400
Subject: [TextMate] multiple folding structures for latex
Message-ID: <16758848.1098653482793.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>


I am trying to improve the syntaxe for the Latex bundle. However, I am not familiar with plist. 

In addition to structures of the type 

\begin{..}

\end{...}

I would like to add a folding of the \section, \chapter, \subsection structure. 

For this, I thought of adding in a snipped a line at the end of these structures which would be considered as a comment by Latex:

\section{This is a section}


%\end-section{This is a section}

\section{A new section}
....

I have tried to modified the current Latex.plist to :

         <key>foldingStartMarker</key>
           <string>(\\begin\{.*\}|\\(((sub)*section)|(chapter)|(paragraph)|(part))(\*?)\{.*\})</string>
           <key>foldingStopMarker</key>
           <string>(\\end\{.*\}|%\\end-(((sub)*section)|(chapter)|(paragraph)|(part))(\*?)\{.*\})</string>

However, this does not work very well as if there is any substructure in a \section of the type (\end{equation}, for example), the folding occurs from \section to \end{equation}.

Anybody could tell me how to correct that??

I thank you in advance!


    Normand Mousseau
    




From wdnx at unm.edu  Mon Oct 25 00:19:56 2004
From: wdnx at unm.edu (William D.Neumann)
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2004 18:19:56 -0600
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <99B683F8-261B-11D9-B186-003065F3078C@unm.edu>

On Oct 24, 2004, at 4:27 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> I.e. should it always be soft wrapped?

I prefer this, but you could make it a user-settable option.

> Should the font be changeable in the printing dialog, or just use the 
> document font?

I would be happy with the document font.  It's one less option to worry 
about.

> Should it have the option to print with/without line numbers?

Yes.

> Another tab-size?

Again, go with the current document setting

> How about syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a 
> quartz filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)? etc. etc.

I would be more than happy to just have the ability to route the plain 
text file through something like a2ps or enscript and have TM return 
the resulting pdf for printing or saving to disk.  Others may want 
more, but I'm easy to please.

William D. Neumann

"You've got Rita Marlowe in the palm of your hand."
"Palm of my hand?  You haven't seen Rita Marlowe..."

		-- Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Mon Oct 25 03:55:41 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 05:55:41 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1gm761g.ttf9augcu43sM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> So after a few days of (hopefully) well deserved vacation, I'm back to
> TM development, and I'm currently adding support for printing.
    Great!
> 
> But printing plain text from a plain text editor is really alien to me
> ;) so I was curious, what options do people expect to see?

    Something like BBEdit print options?
> 
> I.e. should it always be soft wrapped? Should the font be changeable in
> the printing dialog, or just use the document font? Should it have the
> option to print with/without line numbers? Another tab-size? How about
> syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a quartz 
> filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)? etc. etc.

    All these parameters should be available in the print dialog box, or
(let's dream :) in the Preference dialog box
> 
> If you do use/desire printing, let me know which "options" you use 
> (let's try not to mention all the things printing _could_ have) and 
> what stuff you actually do print (as plain text), especially the latter
> will help me better understand the target audience for this feature!

    If the text is wrapped, and if the last paragraph could not be
completely printed on the current page, it could automaticaly be printed
on the top of next page (sounds like "orphan lines" no?).
    Add option to set manual page break in the document (perhaps this
does already exists?) and a print preview (or at least see page break as
grey line in the document window) 
    Insert header in every page of the document with file path, date
last saved, insert page footer with page number and total number of page
of the document etc...

    Bonne journ?e,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From justin.french at indent.com.au  Mon Oct 25 04:48:41 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:48:41 +1000
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <1gm761g.ttf9augcu43sM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1gm761g.ttf9augcu43sM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <248B7FB4-2641-11D9-A724-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 25/10/2004, at 1:55 PM, Jos? Campos wrote:

>> But printing plain text from a plain text editor is really alien to me
>> ;) so I was curious, what options do people expect to see?
>
>     Something like BBEdit print options?

Allan doesn't own BBEdit, and it's best that he doesn't really see how 
other's do it... best off coming up with own solution -- safer, 
cleaner, and more chance of innovation.

>> I.e. should it always be soft wrapped? Should the font be changeable 
>> in
>> the printing dialog, or just use the document font? Should it have the
>> option to print with/without line numbers? Another tab-size? How about
>> syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a quartz
>> filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)? etc. etc.
>
>     All these parameters should be available in the print dialog box, 
> or
> (let's dream :) in the Preference dialog box

They should be in the print dialogue, and be "remembered" between 
prints.  In addition,  I like the idea that I could have a couple of 
different sets of print dialogues preset and available as pull-down 
menu, much like the printer defaults and saved settings in OS X, and 
the PDF export options of programs like InDesign.

>     Add option to set manual page break in the document (perhaps this
> does already exists?) and a print preview (or at least see page break 
> as
> grey line in the document window)

Too much... it's not a word processor :)  I think an option in the 
print dialogue which makes bookmarks (those stars) act like forced page 
breaks would be plenty.


>     Insert header in every page of the document with file path, date
> last saved, insert page footer with page number and total number of 
> page
> of the document etc...

And if this header was customisable with TM_* variables (and some new 
vars), etc etc, that would be great.


Justin


From jmchappell at mac.com  Mon Oct 25 08:21:44 2004
From: jmchappell at mac.com (Jackie Chappell)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 09:21:44 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Re: Printing options?
Message-ID: <E7CC9B8C-265E-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>

>> Insert header in every page of the document with file path, date
>> last saved, insert page footer with page number and total number of
>> page of the document etc...
>
> And if this header was customisable with TM_* variables (and some new
> vars), etc etc, that would be great.

I second this idea, and I also think that print options should be 
relatively simple: use the document font and tabs, and allow a choice 
of printing with syntax highlighting on or off (or just use the 
greyscale Quartz filter). There should also be an option to print to 
PDF, as in the standard MacOS X Print dialog.

Would it also be possible to print from the web preview? I often write 
short notes for others in Markdown, so that I can send them a 
marginally more pretty version to them as hard copy or PDF, but keep a 
simple text file for myself. It would be nice to be able to print it 
from the rendered web preview, without having to render it as a 
separate HTML file, open that in a browser and print from there.

Jackie

--
Jackie Chappell
jmchappell at mac.com



From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Mon Oct 25 11:03:22 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 12:03:22 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <7C676254-2675-11D9-9DDA-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>

On Oct 24, 2004, at 23:27, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> I'm back to TM development, and I'm currently adding support for 
> printing. what options do people expect to see?

Great !!

> I.e. should it always be soft wrapped?

Yes, by default, with an option to turn off (for those who would like 
that. Why they would escapes me)


> Should the font be changeable in the printing dialog, or just use the 
> document font?

Same as document as default, and with an option to change IF (!!!) it's 
quick and easy for you to add it.  Not important for me.


> Should it have the option to print with/without line numbers?

YES !!   Definitely with line numbers as default and with options to 
change.


> Another tab-size?

No, not unless it's easy for you to incorporate this feature.


> How about syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a 
> quartz filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)?

Hmm. I'm split on this one. Used to print out all my code for reviewing 
while travelling on the Tube in the past, and then colour syntax was 
useful. Very useful !!  These days I can't afford to print in colour, 
so I print on a B&W laser printer.  Since printing mono, I am printing 
without syntax colouring since certain colours at 11px Monaco on 2 
pages/page printing at 300dpi looks like crap.

So to summarise:  Default = Without syntax colouring:  Option 1:  with 
colour syntax colouring,   Option 2: with grayscale syntax colouring.

(Why have all three versions ??  Well, then you could print a grayscale 
version even though you have colour printer. Saves on ink )


>  etc. etc.

Page Margins:  This is very important to me.  The default in Apple's 
TextEdit app is 1 inch margins and no way to change this. (WTF !!! 
Stupid crap)
Whatever you do, please make sure that the page margins can go down to 
1 cm so that I can make good use of the page. Being a bit stingy when 
it comes to printing on paper : )  IF this is impossible, please let us 
know.


Print Dialog:  I assume that you would implement Apple's default Print 
dialog box, so that we have the options to preview, save as PDF etc.  
How much control do you have over the default print sheet ??  Can you 
easily add the extra option in there as checkboxes, or do you have to 
use the pop-up menu for implementing the TM options as a separate sheet 
??


Code Foldings:  It would be great if we could have an option on how the 
printing handled the code foldings:  The default option would be to 
un-fold folded code for printing ( but NOT in the current code view, 
only in the printed output ), but it would be good too if we could have 
foldings in there as well as a way to 'hide' large chunks of code that 
we are not interested in. If you see what I'm saying.


I also support Justin's ideas:  Print presets, bookmarks = page breaks 
& customisable headers with TM_Vars.



Off Topic for Allan::   I suggested a version of Project Shell 
variables ( see  Feature Request: Per Project Shell Variables ) which 
received no replies. Any comments on this ??  Just curious : )



Kind regards,

Mats




From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Mon Oct 25 13:22:03 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:03 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing test
Message-ID: <20041025132203.GA69150@tara.freenix.org>

I just tried the new Print... option.  I know syntax highlight is not on
and that it is using the document font but it seems that the text is too
big for a 12pt font.  Marging are too high too.

Nice job.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be  Mon Oct 25 13:22:58 2004
From: jan.sabbe at student.kuleuven.ac.be (Jan Sabbe)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:22:58 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <FCAF03C9-2688-11D9-80DA-000393BFA514@student.kuleuven.ac.be>


Op 25-okt-04 om 00:27 heeft Allan Odgaard het volgende geschreven:

> So after a few days of (hopefully) well deserved vacation, I'm back to 
> TM development, and I'm currently adding support for printing.
>
> But printing plain text from a plain text editor is really alien to me 
> ;) so I was curious, what options do people expect to see?
>
> I.e. should it always be soft wrapped? Should the font be changeable 
> in the printing dialog, or just use the document font? Should it have 
> the option to print with/without line numbers? Another tab-size? How 
> about syntax-highlight, should that be turned into b/w (there's a 
> quartz filter to turn it into grey-scale by default)? etc. etc.
>
> If you do use/desire printing, let me know which ?options? you use 
> (let's try not to mention all the things printing _could_ have) and 
> what stuff you actually do print (as plain text), especially the 
> latter will help me better understand the target audience for this 
> feature!
>
>

Well, if you start implementing stylesheets for syntaxes, maybe you 
could add a print stylesheet for every syntax. There you can set nice 
syntax hilighting colors. (so it doesn't use a black background or 
something :))

Other than that, I would just print it like you see it. If I enabled 
line numbers, print the line numbers, otherwise don't. If I set tab 
size to 3 spaces, use 3 spaces for printing.. I would keep the number 
of print-options to a minimum. Otherwise it's a PITA to find and set 
all the options. (I don't want a KDE nightmare on my mac :-))

Also, it would be nice to keep a folding on the same page. It isn't 
always possible for big foldings, but it would be nice if the following 
is avoided as much as possible:

def goodmorning(name)

--- page end ---

	puts "Goodmorning #{name}! How are you today?"
end



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 15:15:54 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:15:54 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
References: <BD9BF1BF.5387%chrisjenkins@mac.com>
Message-ID: <C39852BA-2698-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 20. Oct 2004, at 11:43, Chris Jenkins wrote:

> I've been watching a few colleagues of mine using TextMate and one of 
> them has switched off the smart typing [...] She types a word and then 
> decides it needs to be a string [...] So she switches the feature off 
> as its "annoying".

If you can make her use the latest beta, it would be cool to hear if 
the problem is fixed with the new rules -- even if it's no benefit for 
her (i.e. she doesn't use the new "wrap selection" or the general 
auto-insertion), alone the fact that it no longer clashes with her 
style would be a nice improvement!

Of course other people are also welcome with their input! Just remember 
to give it at least five minutes before you deem it a success/failure! 
;)


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 15:20:48 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:20:48 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <1gm7tdb.xb6lwf1lyptngM%jose.campos+spam@galacsys.com>
References: <1gm7tdb.xb6lwf1lyptngM%jose.campos+spam@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <73123BA0-2699-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 14:02, Jos? Campos wrote:

>     I've just tried the print option in v.1.0.2?1 : *very nice!* 
> (apart from the vertical bar of the final "d"'s that are missing ;-)

Can you send me the resulting PDF (and also the text file and tell me 
which font you used)?

>     Could wrapping be improved so that the wrapping of a line that
> begins with tab(s) be done at the position of the tab instead of the
> left side of the page?

Yes, this sounds like a good idea (as an option).


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 15:19:13 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:19:13 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing test
In-Reply-To: <20041025132203.GA69150@tara.freenix.org>
References: <20041025132203.GA69150@tara.freenix.org>
Message-ID: <3A801201-2699-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 15:22, Ollivier Robert wrote:

> [...] it seems that the text is too big for a 12pt font.

ehm... so you're saying that I'm actually printing with a 14pt font 
when you select a 12pt font? ;)

> Marging are too high too.

These are currently determined by the system, but since Mats also 
brought this up, I'll look into overriding it.

And to all, thanks for your feedback regarding printing, it will see 
some incremental improvements over the next beta versions!


Kind regards Allan



From raena at raena.net  Mon Oct 25 16:52:18 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 03:52:18 +1100
Subject: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external editing support?
Message-ID: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

All I want for Christmas is world peace, an end to hunger, and for 
TextMate to either support (s)ftp or be supportive of the external 
editor thing.  As in this:
http://www.merzwaren.com/external_editor.html

I'd become so reliant on Transmit's ability to open a text file in 
BBEdit, where I could just sit 'save' and have it upload automatically, 
that having to do it by hand again is really getting up my nose.

For the moment, can anyone recommend a way to get around this lack of 
support?  I still have BBEdit, of course, but I'd rather be using 
TextMate.  I'm not so good with shell scripting so I wouldn't know the 
first place to start where that's concerned.

Can anyone help?

Regards,
Raena



From andre at alpdesignworks.com  Mon Oct 25 16:09:00 2004
From: andre at alpdesignworks.com (Andre Posumentov)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:09:00 +0100
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <2EA3350E-26A0-11D9-BB92-000393912B32@alpdesignworks.com>


On 24 Oct 2004, at 23:27, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> So after a few days of (hopefully) well deserved vacation, I'm back to 
> TM development, and I'm currently adding support for printing.

Definitely well deserved!

> But printing plain text from a plain text editor is really alien to me 
> ;) so I was curious, what options do people expect to see?

These would be top of my list (in rough order of importance):

- The ability to select different fonts for display and print  (Nice to 
reduce the size of long printouts)

- Line numbers

- Some flexibility in defining headers / footers (File / path name, 
modification date / page number / total pages)

- A switch to right-justify soft-wrapped lines

- The ability to switch syntax highlighting on or off when printing, or 
perhaps the ability to select a different form of highlighting.  
(Highlighting can look pretty awful on paper - depending on the font.  
Printouts are often clearest with just the class / method / function 
declarations in bold - for easy reference).

- Some form of control over orphans / widows (agree with the comments 
from Jos? and Justin)

Cheers  all,
-- Andre



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 15:30:28 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 17:30:28 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Printing options?
In-Reply-To: <7C676254-2675-11D9-9DDA-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <D7323AD4-260B-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<7C676254-2675-11D9-9DDA-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CCF3DCB9-269A-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 13:03, Mats Persson wrote:

> Page Margins:  [...] IF this is impossible, please let us know.

I'll look into it! ;)

> How much control do you have over the default print sheet ??  Can you 
> easily add the extra option in there as checkboxes, or do you have to 
> use the pop-up menu for implementing the TM options as a separate 
> sheet ??

I can add auxiliary views, so it's no problem to add options to the 
standard dialog.

> Off Topic for Allan::   I suggested a version of Project Shell 
> variables ( see  Feature Request: Per Project Shell Variables ) which 
> received no replies. Any comments on this ??  Just curious : )

Yes, there will be project variables. Probably I'll do this for the 
next beta, and I'll do the GUI as well (I feel the GUI-side of TextMate 
is lacking seriously behind, so probably I should work a bit on the GUI 
before I add more "hidden" options ;) ).

Long term I would like to ditch project files (.tmproj) and have the 
project drawer be more like a regular Finder window, and a project is 
just a "snapshot" (bookmark/favorite) of the current project drawer 
contents (with filters, mixed sources etc.) -- and probably at the top 
(folder) level there'll be virtual folders for networks (ftp/sftp), 
saved projects (i.e. snapshots) etc.

TextMate will then by default just show the user home directory (~) in 
a collapsed state in the project drawer, when opening a new window.

But I'm not settled 100% on how to handle this -- I'm mentioning it 
only to send a signal that project files should be deprecated in the 
future, so I don't want to start to rely too much on these (unless it 
turns out that they really are unavoidable).


Kind regards Allan



From ben at benprotas.com  Mon Oct 25 18:05:13 2004
From: ben at benprotas.com (Ben Protas)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:05:13 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Beta 2 - Custom Bundles no longer Load
Message-ID: <6B21BEFA-26B0-11D9-ADFA-000A95ACEB2C@benprotas.com>

I just installed the latest beta, and now all the Syntax highlighting 
options I had set for PHP are gone (I can't stand the white background, 
and prefer the darker ones).

Anyway, the bundle is still in my home directory (~Library/Application 
Support/TextMate/Bundles), but does not show up in Syntax Highlight 
As...I removed it from that directory, and reinstalled it, but no 
luck...Any ideas????

Ben



From erichsu at math.sfsu.edu  Mon Oct 25 20:38:33 2004
From: erichsu at math.sfsu.edu (Eric Hsu)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 13:38:33 -0700
Subject: [TextMate] smart typing in 1.0.2b1
Message-ID: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>

It's great to see such weekly improvement of this product!

Smart typing is almost incredibly cool. I like the 'no doubling if 
there's text in front' and the 'surround selection with braces' is 
awesome... I was about to try to write a macro or command to simulate 
this.

Issue 1. Documents with syntax highlighting disabled don't have smart 
typing turned on, regardless of setting. I assume this is a little 
bug and not intended behavior.

Issue 2.  If I'm typing in the middle of the ()'s, I still have to 
right-arrow over the last ) to get to the rest of the typing.  Am I 
supposed to be able to Tab out of the braces somehow?  Otherwise, 
it's not really saving me a keystroke since -> and ) are about 
equally hard for me to hit.

Alpha under OS9 had an interesting implementation of this, where they 
used bullets like &bull; to mark tab stops; then when you hit Tab, 
you knew you were jumping to the next bullet...

- Eric
-- 
Eric Hsu, Assistant Professor of Mathematics
San Francisco State University
erichsu at math.sfsu.edu
http://math.sfsu.edu/hsu


From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 20:43:26 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:43:26 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] Beta 2 - Custom Bundles no longer Load
In-Reply-To: <6B21BEFA-26B0-11D9-ADFA-000A95ACEB2C@benprotas.com>
References: <6B21BEFA-26B0-11D9-ADFA-000A95ACEB2C@benprotas.com>
Message-ID: <8554DAD8-26C6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 20:05, Ben Protas wrote:

> I just installed the latest beta, and now all the Syntax highlighting 
> options I had set for PHP are gone (I can't stand the white 
> background, and prefer the darker ones).
>
> Anyway, the bundle is still in my home directory (~Library/Application 
> Support/TextMate/Bundles),

Which bundle did you store the plist under? It _must_ be a local PHP 
bundle (or you should give your syntax file another value for the name 
key).


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 20:51:50 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:51:50 +0200
Subject: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external editing
	support?
In-Reply-To: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
Message-ID: <B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 18:52, Raena Armitage wrote:

> All I want for Christmas is world peace, an end to hunger, and for 
> TextMate to either support (s)ftp or be supportive of the external 
> editor thing.  As in this:

I've played a bit with native (s)ftp support, so it won't take long -- 
though it won't be rolled into the main branch before I re-write the 
current project drawer, and I'm still not entirely settled on how to 
best handle this one.

> http://www.merzwaren.com/external_editor.html

I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines 
of code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten 
about me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...

Apple Events (especially catching the 'odoc' event) are not exactly 
nice from Cocoa applications, and it seems Transmit only supports a 
hardcoded list of editors, so I can't even test TextMate with their 
program (and a 'file' can have several "representations" when sent as 
an apple event, so testing is rather crucial).

> For the moment, can anyone recommend a way to get around this lack of 
> support?

I hear that Interarchy has the ability to mount an (s)ftp disk, similar 
to the Finder, but with write-support.

So hopefully that can serve until I get ftp done!


Kind regards Allan



From ben at benprotas.com  Mon Oct 25 20:57:40 2004
From: ben at benprotas.com (Ben Protas)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 15:57:40 -0500
Subject: [TextMate] Beta 2 - Custom Bundles no longer Load
In-Reply-To: <8554DAD8-26C6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <6B21BEFA-26B0-11D9-ADFA-000A95ACEB2C@benprotas.com>
	<8554DAD8-26C6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <821C822C-26C8-11D9-ADFA-000A95ACEB2C@benprotas.com>



On Oct 25, 2004, at 3:43 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 25. Oct 2004, at 20:05, Ben Protas wrote:
>
>> I just installed the latest beta, and now all the Syntax highlighting 
>> options I had set for PHP are gone (I can't stand the white 
>> background, and prefer the darker ones).
>>
>> Anyway, the bundle is still in my home directory 
>> (~Library/Application Support/TextMate/Bundles),
>
> Which bundle did you store the plist under? It _must_ be a local PHP 
> bundle (or you should give your syntax file another value for the name 
> key).
>


It was one that I had downloaded from the wiki...it had it's own name.

For some reason, re-downloading and double-clicking the bundle brought 
it back, although I'm still confused as to why it disappeared in the 
first place.



Thanks for the help,
Ben



From jluster at jluster.org  Mon Oct 25 21:32:03 2004
From: jluster at jluster.org (Jonas M Luster)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 14:32:03 -0700
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>

Allan Odgaard wrote:

> I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines of 
> code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten about 
> me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...

Hmm, I sent it to allan at macromates.com. Strange. It's actually a bit 
more, if you don't have AE receivers setup, yet. But you're right, 
unless Transmit adds TextMate as an editor, it's pretty much moot.

> Apple Events (especially catching the 'odoc' event) are not exactly nice 
> from Cocoa applications, and it seems Transmit only supports a hardcoded 
> list of editors, so I can't even test TextMate with their program (and a 
> 'file' can have several "representations" when sent as an apple event, 
> so testing is rather crucial).

Agreed. Contacting Adriaan Tijselling, whose ecto supports odoc, as 
well, might be another idea.

> I hear that Interarchy has the ability to mount an (s)ftp disk, similar 
> to the Finder, but with write-support.

Unfortunately, WebDAV sucks executable bits, otherwise that's another 
way to go.

jonas

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From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 22:25:32 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:25:32 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: smart typing in 1.0.2b1
In-Reply-To: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
References: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
Message-ID: <C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 22:38, Eric Hsu wrote:

> Issue 1. Documents with syntax highlighting disabled don't have smart 
> typing turned on, regardless of setting. I assume this is a little bug 
> and not intended behavior.

The problem is that there are no defined pairs. For example HTML has < 
and > as pairs but not ' and ' etc.

So IMHO pairs really need to be explicitly stated. But I'll consider 
adding a way to set the default pairs.

> Issue 2.  If I'm typing in the middle of the ()'s, I still have to 
> right-arrow over the last ) to get to the rest of the typing.  Am I 
> supposed to be able to Tab out of the braces somehow?

Currently there is no such "accelerator" -- what I do is have 
cmd-return do "move to end of line and return" and cmd-shift-return do 
"move to end of line, insert ;, and return". That way, most of the time 
I won't even have to skip over the auto-inserted closers.

> Otherwise, it's not really saving me a keystroke since -> and ) are 
> about equally hard for me to hit.

hehe... on a Danish keymap something like } is at option-shift-9, so 
definitely easier with right-arrow ;)

> Alpha under OS9 had an interesting implementation of this, where they 
> used bullets like &bull; to mark tab stops; then when you hit Tab, you 
> knew you were jumping to the next bullet...

Sounds useful -- I'm definitely open for inserting tab stops, since I 
can then probably combine smart typing and snippets, and snippets need 
visual placeholders as well... but this is currently not on top of my 
list though.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Mon Oct 25 22:40:00 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:40:00 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
Message-ID: <CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 25. Oct 2004, at 23:32, Jonas M Luster wrote:

>> I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines 
>> of code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten 
>> about me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...
> Hmm, I sent it to allan at macromates.com. Strange.

Yes, that's weird -- TextDrive have had a bit of downtime the last 
couple of days, but not more than at most an hour at a time AFAIK, 
maybe the SMTP just caught TextDrive at that time, and will resend!?!

But I'd be glad if you'd resend the code, probably to allan at simplit.com 
then ;)  Mainly I got stuck extracting the alias from the apple event 
and converting it to something useful -- but I'm not sure if the file 
is always an alias, or can also be an FSRef or a plain text string/URL. 
There seems to be quite a few types for files defined for apple events.

Also, I didn't look into actually sending back events to the sender, 
there seems to be no cocoa support for this, so I'd have to dig into 
Carbon documentation, which means, any sample code would be much 
appreciated, as I'd save me time (and probably frustrations, given my 
history with legacy Apple APIs ;) ).

> It's actually a bit more, if you don't have AE receivers setup, yet.

Setting up an AE receiver for odoc doesn't really help, because 
NSApplication won't pass on the event, to the best of my attempts at 
least -- but I can peek at the current apple event in one of the 
application delegate methods to open files, this seems to be the 
solution -- it's still a bit weird, cause it seems to depend a bit on 
from whom the event is sent, how NSApplication treats it (i.e. I can 
have the event received by a custom handler if I send it from Script 
Editor, although never the first event ("naturally")).

> But you're right, unless Transmit adds TextMate as an editor, it's 
> pretty much moot.

I also downloaded Interachy (sp?) and at least they allow the user to 
add other editors to the list. Probably some of the other ftp clients 
for the Mac does that as well.

Kind regards Allan



From jluster at jluster.org  Mon Oct 25 23:07:53 2004
From: jluster at jluster.org (Jonas M Luster)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 16:07:53 -0700
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
	<CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <417D8749.8050501@jluster.org>

Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Yes, that's weird -- TextDrive have had a bit of downtime the last 
> couple of days, but not more than at most an hour at a time AFAIK, maybe 
> the SMTP just caught TextDrive at that time, and will resend!?!

I'm kicking the email server as we speak. It seems to be an issue on my 
end. The code is at home, will send tonight. In the meantime, did you 
look at Fugu? The source is at http://rsug.itd.umich.edu/software/fugu/ 
and it does support External Editors. Might be worth a shot.

> then ;)  Mainly I got stuck extracting the alias from the apple event 
> and converting it to something useful -- but I'm not sure if the file is 
> always an alias, or can also be an FSRef or a plain text string/URL. 
> There seems to be quite a few types for files defined for apple events.

If I read the docs correctly, it's an alias. I need to dig deeper into 
the Fugu code, I guess.

> appreciated, as I'd save me time (and probably frustrations, given my 
> history with legacy Apple APIs ;) ).

I'll see what I have on that part.


> I also downloaded Interachy (sp?) and at least they allow the user to 
> add other editors to the list. Probably some of the other ftp clients 
> for the Mac does that as well.

Well, Fugu is source, so I can hack it :)

jonas

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From lists at allinthehead.com  Mon Oct 25 23:16:22 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 00:16:22 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: smart typing in 1.0.2b1
In-Reply-To: <C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
	<C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <417D8946.7070106@allinthehead.com>

Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Currently there is no such "accelerator" -- what I do is have cmd-return 
> do "move to end of line and return" and cmd-shift-return do "move to end 
> of line, insert ;, and return". That way, most of the time I won't even 
> have to skip over the auto-inserted closers.

Allan, is this something that should work now, or does it need some 
configuration?

I like the sound of cmd-shift-return :)


drew.


From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 26 00:06:18 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 02:06:18 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: smart typing in 1.0.2b1
In-Reply-To: <417D8946.7070106@allinthehead.com>
References: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
	<C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D8946.7070106@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <DC34160A-26E2-11D9-B609-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 26. Oct 2004, at 1:16, Drew McLellan wrote:

>> Currently there is no such "accelerator" -- what I do is have 
>> cmd-return do "move to end of line and return" and cmd-shift-return 
>> do "move to end of line, insert ;, and return". That way, most of the 
>> time I won't even have to skip over the auto-inserted closers.
> Allan, is this something that should work now, or does it need some 
> configuration?

It needs "configuration" in the form of recording it as macros:

  ? option-cmd-m (start macro recording)
  ? cmd-left (move to end of line)
  ? type ; and return
  ? option-cmd-m (stop macro recording)
  ? ctrl-cmd-m (save scratch macro, give it a name and the key 
equivalent cmd-shift-return)

Similar for the version which doesn't add ; at the end of the line.


Kind regards Allan



From rich at infoether.com  Tue Oct 26 01:19:44 2004
From: rich at infoether.com (Richard Kilmer)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:19:44 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Trying to use key bindings...
In-Reply-To: <3735E0D2-26D5-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <BDA31E70.1594B%rich@infoether.com>

On my US keyboard the [ ]  characters do have their own keys, and if you
shift them they are { } (braces).

-rich


On 10/25/04 6:28 PM, "Allan Odgaard" <allan at macromates.com> wrote:

> On 25. Oct 2004, at 23:55, Richard Kilmer wrote:
> 
>> I followed the procedure to copy the KeyBindings.dict file to:
>> 
>> ~Library/Application Support/TextMate/KeyBindings.dict
>> 
>> I want to map shift right/left to xcode-style/command + ] and command
>> + [
>> 
>>     "@[" = "shiftLeft:";
>>     "@]" = "shiftRight:";
>> 
>> But it does not seem to work!
>> 
>> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Are you using a US-keymap? i.e. does the [ and ] have their own keys,
> or are they e.g. on option-8, option-9 (as with some european keymaps).
> 
> Kind regards Allan
> 
> P.S. This is really a mailing list type of question! ;)
> 
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
> 
> 




From jvargas at whywire.net  Tue Oct 26 02:17:46 2004
From: jvargas at whywire.net (Jaime Vargas)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:17:46 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Syntax Highlighting regex question
Message-ID: <39E2F272-26F5-11D9-9ADD-000393C447AE@whywire.net>

I am  making a syntax module for the Rebol language and I am having 
trouble getting some keywords to match properly. This expression works:

match = "(action!|any-block!|any-function!|)"

but it is not ideal for I needed it to work with word boundaries. When 
I include word boundaries in the regex, the rule is never matched.

match = "\\<(action!|any-block!|any-function!|)\\>"

I think this is a problem with the exclamation point "!". I have tried 
using it with these escape sequences: \!, \\!, \041 \\041; with no luck 
so far.

I had the same problem with keywords having the question mark "?" in 
them, ie:

match = "\\<(about|abs|absolute|action?|add|alert|type?)\\>"

Ideas would be most welcome. Is there a limitation in the regex engine?

Thanks, Jaime



From thebrier at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 02:26:46 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:26:46 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Trying to use key bindings...
In-Reply-To: <BDA31E70.1594B%rich@infoether.com>
References: <3735E0D2-26D5-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BDA31E70.1594B%rich@infoether.com>
Message-ID: <b44dd66604102519261426b357@mail.gmail.com>

I can second Richard on this one.  I have a US keyboard where [ and ]
are on their own keys, but when I change by KeyBindings.dict to have:

    "@[" = "shiftLeft:";
    "@]" = "shiftRight:";

... TextMate doesn't pick it up.


From mummer at whitefalls.org  Tue Oct 26 03:05:32 2004
From: mummer at whitefalls.org (Michael Sheets)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 22:05:32 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Re: smart typing in 1.0.2b1
In-Reply-To: <C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
	<C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <E66D658E-26FB-11D9-8BCC-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>

> The problem is that there are no defined pairs. For example HTML has < 
> and > as pairs but not ' and ' etc.
>
> So IMHO pairs really need to be explicitly stated. But I'll consider 
> adding a way to set the default pairs.

I'd make a set of basic pairs for when you just want to type some basic 
text out. () [] '' "" etc



From mchamber at macromedia.com  Tue Oct 26 04:54:44 2004
From: mchamber at macromedia.com (Mike Chambers)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:54:44 -0700
Subject: [TxMt] Project Side Panel looses state
In-Reply-To: <E66D658E-26FB-11D9-8BCC-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
References: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
	<C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<E66D658E-26FB-11D9-8BCC-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
Message-ID: <27B5E238-270B-11D9-9CC9-000A95BC99E4@macromedia.com>

Has anyone run into this issue:

You have a project open, with multiple files and folders. You switch to 
another program, and when you switch back to TextMate, the all of the 
panels in the project panel are closed.

I run into this all of the time, and it drives me crazy.

I am using launchbar to switch between apps, but I don't know if that 
has anything to do with it.

mike



From kjell at station11.net  Tue Oct 26 04:55:02 2004
From: kjell at station11.net (Kjell Olsen)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:55:02 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>


I love the idea of Daniel Von Fanges TextMate Log Script[1], but my 
unfamiliarity with both ruby and textmate is giving me a headache.   I 
hope I can use you guys as a sounding board and this doesn't bug you 
too much.

[1]:  http://www.braino.org/blog/archives/001440.php

I can't make the date function work within the command - If I execute 
my script outside of textmate it works beautifully, but from within 
textmate I get:

<code>
date: illegal time format
usage: date [-nu] [-r seconds] [+format]
        date [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]hh]mm[.ss]
</code>

When I run the same script with the textmate variables replaced by 
normal strings I get:

<code>* [23:19:54 ] @test -> just a test action</code>

Do the ticks ` in the date function mean that I'm using bash's date 
program?  The error thrown in the command matches the error from the 
command line, but why doesn't it happen when the script is executed by 
ruby?

Why won't this work?  All the help I can get would be very much 
apreciated.  I'm using v1.02b1, and here's what the command looks like 
in it's entirety:

<code>
/usr/bin/env ruby <<END
task_text = "$TM_CURRENT_LINE"
task_text.gsub!("* ","* [#{`date \"+%H:%M:%S\"`}] ")
task_text.gsub!("\n","")

from = "$TM_CURRENT_FILE"

File.open("/Users/kjell/Documents/planner/complete",'a'){|archive_file|
    archive_file.puts task_text
    #archive_file.puts "      in #{from} #{`date \"+%H:%M %Y%m%d %a\"`}"
    archive_file.puts
}
END
</code>



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Tue Oct 26 05:59:54 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 07:59:54 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Activate internet protocols by command-click
Message-ID: <1gm9722.13hehvkjez2tgM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi All,

    In some (many?) applications, one can activate internet protocols by
command-clicking on a portion of text that looks like an internet
address. For instance in MacSOUP, a command-click on :
    www.macromates.com
will launch <http://www.macromates.com/> in my prefered browser. 

    Other text editor can do so. Is that feature system-dependant? Could
it be easily implemented in TM?

    Have a nice day,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From raena at raena.net  Tue Oct 26 07:17:20 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 18:17:20 +1100
Subject: [TxMt] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external editing	 support?
In-Reply-To: <CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
	<CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <1329F668-271F-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

On 26 Oct 2004, at 9:40 am, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>> But you're right, unless Transmit adds TextMate as an editor, it's 
>> pretty much moot.
>
> I also downloaded Interachy (sp?) and at least they allow the user to 
> add other editors to the list. Probably some of the other ftp clients 
> for the Mac does that as well.

Yeah, I'd be happy to switch to Interarchy if it meant I could use the 
external editor thing.  It did in fact download and open the file in 
TextMate, which is still nice.  I've also been toying with its Auto 
Upload thing.

Thanks for the hints, guys!



From lists at allinthehead.com  Tue Oct 26 08:56:42 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:56:42 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Smart typing in comments
Message-ID: <417E114A.9060201@allinthehead.com>

It would be useful if smart typing wasn't active when writing code 
comments. The reason being you're more likely to be writing natural 
language sentences than code.

for example:

<?php
     // Don't forget the elephants!
     $elephants = true;
?>

with smart typing comes out like this:

<?php
     // Don't forget the elephants!'
     $elephants = true;
?>


What do other's think?

drew.


From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Tue Oct 26 09:04:28 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:04:28 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Project Side Panel looses state
In-Reply-To: <27B5E238-270B-11D9-9CC9-000A95BC99E4@macromedia.com>
References: <p06110411bda3118b2d11@[68.27.109.203]>
	<C898F700-26D4-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<E66D658E-26FB-11D9-8BCC-000A27B3F03E@whitefalls.org>
	<27B5E238-270B-11D9-9CC9-000A95BC99E4@macromedia.com>
Message-ID: <0A8F977B-272E-11D9-89C3-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>

Mike,

This is likely to be the "refresh bug" I complained about a couple of  
days ago.
http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/000919.html

It was introduced in 1.01?2.
According to Allan, it has now been identified and will be fixed soon.

Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net

(OFF TOPIC : Mike, you'll be interested in this  
:http://wiki.macromates.com/textmate/show/ 
Compile+your+actionscript+project+from+TextMate )
;-)


On 26 oct. 04, at 06:54, Mike Chambers wrote:

> Has anyone run into this issue:
>
> You have a project open, with multiple files and folders. You switch  
> to another program, and when you switch back to TextMate, the all of  
> the panels in the project panel are closed.
>
> I run into this all of the time, and it drives me crazy.
>
> I am using launchbar to switch between apps, but I don't know if that  
> has anything to do with it.
>
> mike
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Tue Oct 26 09:10:41 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 10:10:41 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Trying to use key bindings...
In-Reply-To: <20041026022710.387BC44D@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <BDA3D321.5467%chrisjenkins@mac.com>


Yes, I tried this also as these keys are the same as BBEdit and its one of
those habits I just cant shake...

Be nice to be able to change it.


On 26/10/04 3:27 am, "textmate-request at lists.macromates.com"
<textmate-request at lists.macromates.com> wrote:

> I can second Richard on this one.  I have a US keyboard where [ and ]
> are on their own keys, but when I change by KeyBindings.dict to have:
> 
>     "@[" = "shiftLeft:";
>     "@]" = "shiftRight:";
> 
> ... TextMate doesn't pick it up.




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From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 26 09:19:31 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:19:31 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] Smart typing in comments
In-Reply-To: <417E114A.9060201@allinthehead.com>
References: <417E114A.9060201@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <24F97320-2730-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:56 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:

> It would be useful if smart typing wasn't active when writing code 
> comments.

agreed



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 26 09:28:45 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:28:45 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
Message-ID: <6F34A120-2731-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>

With Daniel's help, I'm using the script like:

in the command window:

/usr/local/bin/ruby ~/Library/Application\  
Support/Textmate/completedTask.rb  $TM_FILEPATH

the ruby script:

#!/usr/local/bin/ruby

task_text = $stdin.read
task_text.gsub!("\\[ \\] ","[X] ")

from = File.basename(ARGV[0],".txt")

File.open("/Users/tim/Documents/projects/GTD/Inbox/ 
done.txt",'a'){|archive_file|
    archive_file.puts
    archive_file.puts task_text
    archive_file.puts "      in #{from} #{`date \"+%H:%M %Y%m%d %a\"`}"
}

I mapped it to a key and it moves the selected text/line to "done.txt"  
Except the task_text.gsub!("\\[ \\] ","[X] ")
stuff doesn't seem to be working.

Any ruby mentors out there? We really want to learn  :)

  -t


On Oct 25, 2004, at 6:55 PM, Kjell Olsen wrote:

>
> I love the idea of Daniel Von Fanges TextMate Log Script[1], but my  
> unfamiliarity with both ruby and textmate is giving me a headache.   I  
> hope I can use you guys as a sounding board and this doesn't bug you  
> too much.
>
> [1]:  http://www.braino.org/blog/archives/001440.php
>
> I can't make the date function work within the command - If I execute  
> my script outside of textmate it works beautifully, but from within  
> textmate I get:
>
> <code>
> date: illegal time format
> usage: date [-nu] [-r seconds] [+format]
>        date [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]hh]mm[.ss]
> </code>
>
> When I run the same script with the textmate variables replaced by  
> normal strings I get:
>
> <code>* [23:19:54 ] @test -> just a test action</code>
>
> Do the ticks ` in the date function mean that I'm using bash's date  
> program?  The error thrown in the command matches the error from the  
> command line, but why doesn't it happen when the script is executed by  
> ruby?
>
> Why won't this work?  All the help I can get would be very much  
> apreciated.  I'm using v1.02b1, and here's what the command looks like  
> in it's entirety:
>
> <code>
> /usr/bin/env ruby <<END
> task_text = "$TM_CURRENT_LINE"
> task_text.gsub!("* ","* [#{`date \"+%H:%M:%S\"`}] ")
> task_text.gsub!("\n","")
>
> from = "$TM_CURRENT_FILE"
>
> File.open("/Users/kjell/Documents/planner/complete",'a'){|archive_file|
>    archive_file.puts task_text
>    #archive_file.puts "      in #{from} #{`date \"+%H:%M %Y%m%d %a\"`}"
>    archive_file.puts
> }
> END
> </code>
>
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From ivar at enskede.net  Tue Oct 26 11:08:21 2004
From: ivar at enskede.net (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Ivar_=C5sell?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:08:21 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Smart typing in comments
In-Reply-To: <24F97320-2730-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <417E114A.9060201@allinthehead.com>
	<24F97320-2730-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <58F7CBE4-273F-11D9-B1C0-000393D3BC4A@enskede.net>

agreed

On 2004-10-26, at 11.19, Timothy Martens wrote:

>
> On Oct 25, 2004, at 10:56 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:
>
>> It would be useful if smart typing wasn't active when writing code 
>> comments.
>
> agreed
>
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> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
>



From nika at kassube.de  Tue Oct 26 11:10:50 2004
From: nika at kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:10:50 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <6F34A120-2731-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<6F34A120-2731-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <B21FDECE-273F-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>


Am 26.10.2004 um 11:28 schrieb Timothy Martens:

> I mapped it to a key and it moves the selected text/line to "done.txt" 
> Except the task_text.gsub!("\\[ \\] ","[X] ")
> stuff doesn't seem to be working.

In Ruby 1.8 this should be

task_text.gsub(/\[\s*?\]/, '[X]')

The left argument is a RegEx object, not a string.



From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Tue Oct 26 11:49:47 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:49:47 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Heuristic for smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <20041025204405.B90E0727@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <BDA3F86B.5476%chrisjenkins@mac.com>


Allan,

I will do that, Ive asked her this morning, she's working on some other
stuff at the moment but I'll let you know as soon as possible. For myself
its a huge improvement, definitely works for me, I had made a few commands
that would wrap the current selection with quotes etc, but this is much
better, TextMate seems more and more to able to read my mind!

Nice one.

Chris


On 25/10/04 9:44 pm, "textmate-request at lists.macromates.com"
<textmate-request at lists.macromates.com> wrote:

> If you can make her use the latest beta, it would be cool to hear if
> the problem is fixed with the new rules -- even if it's no benefit for
> her (i.e. she doesn't use the new "wrap selection" or the general
> auto-insertion), alone the fact that it no longer clashes with her
> style would be a nice improvement!
> 
> Of course other people are also welcome with their input! Just remember
> to give it at least five minutes before you deem it a success/failure!
> ;)




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From jmchappell at mac.com  Tue Oct 26 11:57:31 2004
From: jmchappell at mac.com (Jackie Chappell)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 12:57:31 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>

On Mon, 25 Oct 2004 23:55:02 -0500 Kjell Olsen wrote:

> I can't make the date function work within the command - If I execute
> my script outside of textmate it works beautifully, but from within
> textmate I get:
>
> <code>
> date: illegal time format
> usage: date [-nu] [-r seconds] [+format]
>         date [[[[[cc]yy]mm]dd]hh]mm[.ss]
> </code>

Timothy Martens' solution of using an external script which is then 
called with a command works well, or -- if you'd prefer to keep it all 
within TextMate, you could try something like:

ruby <<END
task_text = "$TM_SELECTED_TEXT"
task_text.gsub!("\[ \] ","[X] ")
print ""

from = File.basename("$TM_FILEPATH",".txt")
comp_time = Time.now
datestamp = comp_time.strftime("%d/%m/%Y at %H:%M")

File.open("/Users/me/completed.txt",'a'){|archive_file|
    archive_file.puts
    archive_file.puts "#{task_text} => in #{from} on #{datestamp}"
}
END

I ran into a similar problem, which I suspect in my case was down to 
escaping the quotes in the format string wrongly. The double quotes to 
form the Ruby string make this tricky. I decided to side-step the issue 
slightly long-windedly by using Ruby's 'date' methods. Note also that 
this code works on selected text: I have Standard in = selected text 
and Standard out = Replace selected text. The selected task then gets 
deleted from the original file and pasted in to the completed.txt file 
with a checkbox ([X]).

I also put the date stamp on the same line as the text to make it 
easier to grep for; when someone chases me about something I've done, I 
can double-check when I did it ;-)

I'm a Ruby-newbie too, so I'm sure more experienced coders could make 
it more efficient.

Jackie

--
Jackie Chappell
jmchappell at mac.com



From jev at mac.com  Tue Oct 26 13:27:03 2004
From: jev at mac.com (Jaime Vargas)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 09:27:03 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Problems with regex
Message-ID: <B9943456-2752-11D9-9ADD-000393C447AE@mac.com>

I am  making a syntax module for the Rebol language and I am having 
trouble getting some keywords to match properly. This expression works:

match = "(action!|any-block!|any-function!|)"

but it is not ideal for I needed it to work with word boundaries. When 
I include word boundaries in the regex, the rule is never matched.

match = "\\<(action!|any-block!|any-function!|)\\>"

I think this is a problem with the exclamation point "!". I have tried 
using it with these escape sequences: \!, \\!, \041 \\041; with no luck 
so far.

I had the same problem with keywords having the question mark "?" in 
them, ie:

match = "\\<(about|abs|absolute|action?|add|alert|type?)\\>"

Ideas would be most welcome. Is there a limitation in the regex engine?

Thanks, Jaime



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 26 13:44:56 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:44:56 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Smart typing in comments
In-Reply-To: <417E114A.9060201@allinthehead.com>
References: <417E114A.9060201@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <38CD8AE8-2755-11D9-8384-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 26. Oct 2004, at 10:56, Drew McLellan wrote:

> It would be useful if smart typing wasn't active when writing code 
> comments.

Yes, per element toggling of options (including spell checking and 
smart typing) is planned, but it's not before the current syntax system 
gets upgraded.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 26 13:50:00 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:50:00 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Syntax Highlighting regex question
In-Reply-To: <39E2F272-26F5-11D9-9ADD-000393C447AE@whywire.net>
References: <39E2F272-26F5-11D9-9ADD-000393C447AE@whywire.net>
Message-ID: <EE0C88E8-2755-11D9-8384-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 26. Oct 2004, at 4:17, Jaime Vargas wrote:

> match = "\\<(action!|any-block!|any-function!|)\\>"
>
> I think this is a problem with the exclamation point "!". I have tried 
> using it with these escape sequences: \!, \\!, \041 \\041; with no 
> luck so far.

The problem is that the exclamation point is not a word character, so 
there is no word boundary after the character, i.e. the pattern should 
be:
    match = "\\<(action!|any-block!|any-function!)"

If you want to guard against word-characters _after_ the exclamation 
point, you could do:
    match = "\\<(action!|any-block!|any-function!)(?!\w)"

But I think only the word-begin-boundary really matters in your case.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 26 14:05:17 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:05:17 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Trying to use key bindings...
In-Reply-To: <b44dd66604102519261426b357@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3735E0D2-26D5-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BDA31E70.1594B%rich@infoether.com>
	<b44dd66604102519261426b357@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <10C233BF-2758-11D9-8384-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 26. Oct 2004, at 4:26, Chris Brierley wrote:

> I can second Richard on this one.  I have a US keyboard where [ and ]
> are on their own keys, but when I change by KeyBindings.dict to have:
>
>     "@[" = "shiftLeft:";
>     "@]" = "shiftRight:";
>
> ... TextMate doesn't pick it up.

I tried it myself, and I think there's a system bug at play here.

Initially the keys beep for me, but if I open _any_ menu, w/o choosing 
anything, close it again, and then try the keys, they do work.

I'll look into a work-around in the coming days -- most likely placing 
the keys as menu shortcuts will solve it (so I'll just make these the 
default keys, but keep the tab-versions in the key bindings).


Kind regards Allan



From thebrier at gmail.com  Tue Oct 26 15:51:44 2004
From: thebrier at gmail.com (Chris Brierley)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:51:44 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Trying to use key bindings...
In-Reply-To: <10C233BF-2758-11D9-8384-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3735E0D2-26D5-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<BDA31E70.1594B%rich@infoether.com>
	<b44dd66604102519261426b357@mail.gmail.com>
	<10C233BF-2758-11D9-8384-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <b44dd66604102608516f02d906@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:05:17 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> 
> Initially the keys beep for me, but if I open _any_ menu, w/o choosing
> anything, close it again, and then try the keys, they do work.

Weird, I can't get that to work.  I start TextMate, click on any menu,
click on it again to close it without choosing something ... and @[
and @] still beep at me without doing anything.

Just a data point in case it matters for your fix.  Thanks for your info.


From chris at m-audio.com  Tue Oct 26 18:40:51 2004
From: chris at m-audio.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 11:40:51 -0700
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing support?
In-Reply-To: <B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <8F81882D-277E-11D9-8820-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>

As long as you're playing with the 'odoc' AppleEvent, please consider  
(as previously mentioned in  
<http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/000547.html>)  
supporting the?keyAEPosition parameter as detailed here:

<http://www.codingmonkeys.de/techpubs/externaleditor/ 
pbxexternaleditor.html>

This is a blocker for anyone trying to use TextMate as?external editor  
for either Xcode?or CodeWarrior.

Thanks,
Chris

On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:51 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

>
> I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines  
> of code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten  
> about me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...
>
> Apple Events (especially catching the 'odoc' event) are not exactly  
> nice from Cocoa applications, and it seems Transmit only supports a  
> hardcoded list of editors, so I can't even test TextMate with their  
> program (and a 'file' can have several "representations" when sent as  
> an apple event, so testing is rather crucial).
As long as you're playing with the 'odoc' AppleEvent, please consider  
(as previously mentioned in  
<http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/000547.html>)  
supporting the?keyAEPosition parameter as detailed here:

<http://www.codingmonkeys.de/techpubs/externaleditor/ 
pbxexternaleditor.html>

This is a blocker for anyone trying to use TextMate as?external editor  
for either Xcode?or CodeWarrior.

Thanks,
Chris

On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:51 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:


I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines  
of code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten  
about me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...

Apple Events (especially catching the 'odoc' event) are not exactly  
nice from Cocoa applications, and it seems Transmit only supports a  
hardcoded list of editors, so I can't even test TextMate with their  
program (and a 'file' can have several "representations" when sent as  
an apple event, so testing is rather crucial).




From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Tue Oct 26 20:01:06 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 15:01:06 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing support?
In-Reply-To: <8F81882D-277E-11D9-8820-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<8F81882D-277E-11D9-8820-000A95A89C98@m-audio.com>
Message-ID: <C5BBC97E-2789-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>

it's not exactly a "workaround" to editing remote files on a server,  
but our dev team here is setup with rsync which is much much easier.

In TextMate, I just have a command (tied to a Key) that saves all files  
in my project and syncs my ~/Sites directory with the dev server's  
~/public_html
It runs a script that looks like this:

#!/bin/sh

rsync -auv --delete ~/Sites kumar at dev:~/public_html

and voila, only modified files are uploaded.  The other developers on  
our team do this in Emacs on Linux but TextMate has the Key command  
option which is nice.  The rsync method is more useful to me than  
command-J'ing files from Transmit into BBEdit or SubEtha.

While I'm at it... here is my vote for making Subversion/CVS  
integration a higher priority than sftp!  It is a little trickier to do  
cvs/svn commands in TextMate currently.

k

On Oct 26, 2004, at 1:40 PM, Chris Thomas wrote:

> As long as you're playing with the 'odoc' AppleEvent, please consider  
> (as previously mentioned in  
> <http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/ 
> 000547.html>) supporting the?keyAEPosition parameter as detailed here:
>
> <http://www.codingmonkeys.de/techpubs/externaleditor/ 
> pbxexternaleditor.html>
>
> This is a blocker for anyone trying to use TextMate as?external editor  
> for either Xcode?or CodeWarrior.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:51 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>>
>> I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines  
>> of code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten  
>> about me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...
>>
>> Apple Events (especially catching the 'odoc' event) are not exactly  
>> nice from Cocoa applications, and it seems Transmit only supports a  
>> hardcoded list of editors, so I can't even test TextMate with their  
>> program (and a 'file' can have several "representations" when sent as  
>> an apple event, so testing is rather crucial).
> As long as you're playing with the 'odoc' AppleEvent, please consider  
> (as previously mentioned in  
> <http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/ 
> 000547.html>) supporting the?keyAEPosition parameter as detailed here:
>
> <http://www.codingmonkeys.de/techpubs/externaleditor/ 
> pbxexternaleditor.html>
>
> This is a blocker for anyone trying to use TextMate as?external editor  
> for either Xcode?or CodeWarrior.
>
> Thanks,
> Chris
>
> On Oct 25, 2004, at 1:51 PM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>
>
> I've also played shortly with this, I was actually awaiting six lines  
> of code that Jonas mentioned on his blog, but it seems he's forgotten  
> about me, so I should probably continue my own work instead...
>
> Apple Events (especially catching the 'odoc' event) are not exactly  
> nice from Cocoa applications, and it seems Transmit only supports a  
> hardcoded list of editors, so I can't even test TextMate with their  
> program (and a 'file' can have several "representations" when sent as  
> an apple event, so testing is rather crucial).
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate



From kjell at station11.net  Tue Oct 26 21:38:22 2004
From: kjell at station11.net (Kjell Olsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 16:38:22 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
Message-ID: <5C693DD4-2797-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>

Ok, thanks everyone who helped - I got it working.  I touched up the 
ruby script, now it adds in the date and the from file on the same 
line.  Here it is:

ruby <<END
from = File.basename("$TM_FILEPATH","")
time_now = Time.now
time = time_now.strftime("%H:%M:%S")

task = "$TM_CURRENT_LINE"
task.gsub!("^. ","* [#{time}] ")
task += " {#{ from}}"

File.open("$TM_PROJECT_DIRECTORY/complete",'a'){|file|
    file.puts task
    file.puts
}
END

I have standard input set to none, because I instead use 
$TM_CURRENT_LINE to get the line that I want.  But because this doesn't 
delete the line that has been completed, I recorded a macro which 
executes this command and then completely deletes the line that the 
cursor is on (control-shift-left arrow, shift-left arrow) and this 
works great.

I still have some work to do on it though: I want to have the completed 
files separated by day and month automatically and eventually want to 
ruby out reports of time spent on certain actions.  Also I'm going to 
try and figure out how to have the list reverse chronologically, with 
the most recent completed items at the top.  Should be a fun ruby 
exercise!  Thanks for all your help - and if you know how to do either 
of my two things, feel free to give me some more.



From allan at macromates.com  Tue Oct 26 21:56:19 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:56:19 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: copy/paste between documents bug
In-Reply-To: <C168F9E7-2795-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <C168F9E7-2795-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <DE3DE984-2799-11D9-8D77-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 26. Oct 2004, at 23:26, kumar mcmillan wrote:

> when copying and pasting text from one document to another document in 
> a project, the pasted text gets shifted to the right one column.

Disable ?Indented Paste? from the Behavior menu.

It tries to match the indent level of where you paste -- some 
improvements could probably be made though (I think it fails to 
properly treat spaces and tabs transparently).

> also... if you select several lines of text (like the require 
> statement + comments above), then choose Text > Move Selection > 
> Column Right, TextMate only moves the first line, not all lines of the 
> selection.  The same thing happens for Text > Move Selection > Column 
> Left.

Yes, move column left/right only makes real sense for either selecting 
sub-lines (e.g. words) or doing a columnar selection.


Kind regards Allan



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 26 23:10:58 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:10:58 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <B21FDECE-273F-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<6F34A120-2731-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B21FDECE-273F-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>
Message-ID: <4BA4480F-27A4-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 26, 2004, at 1:10 AM, Nils Kassube wrote:

> In Ruby 1.8 this should be
>
> task_text.gsub(/\[\s*?\]/, '[X]')

So this would replace "space[space]space" with "space[X]space"

It's still not working. I simply get the same (empty brackets) i the 
archive file?

  -t



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Tue Oct 26 23:17:50 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:17:50 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
	<376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
Message-ID: <41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 26, 2004, at 1:57 AM, Jackie Chappell wrote:

> ruby <<END
> task_text = "$TM_SELECTED_TEXT"
> task_text.gsub!("\[ \] ","[X] ")
> print ""
>
> from = File.basename("$TM_FILEPATH",".txt")
> comp_time = Time.now
> datestamp = comp_time.strftime("%d/%m/%Y at %H:%M")
>
> File.open("/Users/me/completed.txt",'a'){|archive_file|
>    archive_file.puts
>    archive_file.puts "#{task_text} => in #{from} on #{datestamp}"
> }
> END


/bin/sh: line 1: ruby: command not found

why? do I need the full path in line 1?

  -t



From ML at Top-House.DK  Wed Oct 27 00:50:19 2004
From: ML at Top-House.DK (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 02:50:19 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: OT: Help files and Manuals
In-Reply-To: <22CC5576-2777-11D9-AAFE-000A95D79490@iggsoftware.com>
References: <22CC5576-2777-11D9-AAFE-000A95D79490@iggsoftware.com>
Message-ID: <2CB17E7A-27B2-11D9-8D77-00039351BBEE@Top-House.DK>

On 26. Oct 2004, at 19:47, Ian G. Gillespie wrote:

> Does anyone know of a good program that one can use to create a help 
> file and a PDF manual without maintaining two sets of documents?

LaTeX does really nice PDF and with tex4ht I think the HTML result is 
also reasonable good.

Another option is DocBook, though the PDF is not very nice when using 
the freeware converters available.

Basically you just want to settle on some generic markup language that 
allows you to convert it to whatever format you desire.

Which markup language is best suited probably depends mostly of what 
type of documentation you're writing, i.e. is it heavily interlinked, 
using all sorts of "typegraphic" features, footnotes, images etc.


Kind regards Allan
-- 
    http://macromates.com/          :::  TextMate, OS X text editor
    http://macromates.com/sigpipe/  :::  Personal weblog about 
programming



From profprof at mac.com  Wed Oct 27 01:35:47 2004
From: profprof at mac.com (profprof at mac.com)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 21:35:47 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: OT: Help files and Manuals
In-Reply-To: <2CB17E7A-27B2-11D9-8D77-00039351BBEE@Top-House.DK>
References: <22CC5576-2777-11D9-AAFE-000A95D79490@iggsoftware.com>
	<2CB17E7A-27B2-11D9-8D77-00039351BBEE@Top-House.DK>
Message-ID: <8358854.1098840947085.JavaMail.profprof@mac.com>

 
On Tuesday, October 26, 2004, at 08:50PM, Allan Odgaard <ML at Top-House.DK> wrote:

>On 26. Oct 2004, at 19:47, Ian G. Gillespie wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know of a good program that one can use to create a help 
>> file and a PDF manual without maintaining two sets of documents?
>
>LaTeX does really nice PDF and with tex4ht I think the HTML result is 
>also reasonable good.
>

I also like hyperlatex  ( http://hyperlatex.sourceforge.net/ ). This is what I use for my class manual. If you want to see what it looks like. Select "notes" in html or pdf here : http://www.phys.umontreal.ca/~mousseau/cours.html

Normand Mousseau


From kjell at station11.net  Wed Oct 27 01:51:04 2004
From: kjell at station11.net (Kjell Olsen)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 20:51:04 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
	<376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
	<41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>

Probably... Go into terminal and do _whereis ruby_ and put what it 
gives you instead of just ruby.  Unless you installed ruby yourself It 
should be in /usr/bin - that's where it comes with panther.  What 
operating system do you have?

You could also put /usr/bin into your path:  add the lines:

PATH="$PATH:/usr/bin"
export PATH

to the .bashrc file within your home directory.  Add it if it doesn't 
exist.

On Oct 26, 2004, at 6:17 PM, Timothy Martens wrote:

> /bin/sh: line 1: ruby: command not found
>
> why? do I need the full path in line 1?



From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct 27 04:28:59 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel Jackson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:28:59 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
	<CE13B37A-26D6-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <B91241B3-27D0-11D9-B157-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

Yummy FTP allows you to pick an external editor....
http://www.macupdate.com/info.php/id/15998

By the way, Yummy FTP is actually quite nice!

-Noel



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 27 08:38:35 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 10:38:35 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: OT: Help files and Manuals
In-Reply-To: <2CB17E7A-27B2-11D9-8D77-00039351BBEE@Top-House.DK>
References: <22CC5576-2777-11D9-AAFE-000A95D79490@iggsoftware.com>
	<2CB17E7A-27B2-11D9-8D77-00039351BBEE@Top-House.DK>
Message-ID: <20041027083835.GA96219@tara.freenix.org>

According to Allan Odgaard:
> Another option is DocBook, though the PDF is not very nice when using 
> the freeware converters available.

Agreed :(  I originally settled on DocBook as it is a rich DTD but I'm very
disappointed by the output.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From nika at kassube.de  Wed Oct 27 09:42:42 2004
From: nika at kassube.de (Nils Kassube)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 11:42:42 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <4BA4480F-27A4-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<6F34A120-2731-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B21FDECE-273F-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>
	<4BA4480F-27A4-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <8C9737E6-27FC-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>


Am 27.10.2004 um 01:10 schrieb Timothy Martens:

> So this would replace "space[space]space" with "space[X]space"
> It's still not working. I simply get the same (empty brackets) i the 
> archive file?

irb(main):001:0> task_text = ' [ ] do it'
=> " [ ] do it"
irb(main):002:0> task_text.gsub(/\[\s*?\]/, '[X]')
=> " [X] do it"

Nils-Kassubes-Computer% ruby -v
ruby 1.8.2 (2004-07-29) [powerpc-darwin7.5.0]

What's the output of "ruby -v" on your Mac? 



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct 27 09:50:09 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:50:09 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <8C9737E6-27FC-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>
References: <20041023120010.6E9FD1110@one.textdrive.com>
	<p06110415bda0fcc137e9@[207.81.133.145]>
	<429426F0-25C2-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<31F9FF2C-270B-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<6F34A120-2731-11D9-A1EF-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<B21FDECE-273F-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>
	<4BA4480F-27A4-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<8C9737E6-27FC-11D9-9A0B-000A95D44530@kassube.de>
Message-ID: <96C1E49C-27FD-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 26, 2004, at 11:42 PM, Nils Kassube wrote:

>
> What's the output of "ruby -v" on your Mac?

ruby 1.8.1 (2004-03-15) [powerpc-darwin]



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct 27 09:53:22 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Tue, 26 Oct 2004 23:53:22 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
	<376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
	<41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
Message-ID: <0A232531-27FE-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 26, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Kjell Olsen wrote:

> Probably... Go into terminal and do _whereis ruby_ and put what it 
> gives you instead of just ruby.  Unless you installed ruby yourself It 
> should be in /usr/bin - that's where it comes with panther.  What 
> operating system do you have?

I installed ruby 1.81 before installing rails. i'm pretty sure it's in:
/usr/local/bin/ruby

"whereis ruby" returns nothing

"whereis [ruby]" returns nothing

I'm on Panther 10.3.5



From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Wed Oct 27 10:04:19 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 00:04:19 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
	<376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
	<41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
Message-ID: <917DA6AC-27FF-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 26, 2004, at 3:51 PM, Kjell Olsen wrote:

> You could also put /usr/bin into your path:  add the lines:
>
> PATH="$PATH:/usr/bin"
> export PATH
>
> to the .bashrc file within your home directory.  Add it if it doesn't 
> exist.

I don't have a .bashrc file in home, but I do have .bash_profile which 
contains:

export PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/mysql/bin:/usr/local/php/bin

is .bashrc something different/necessary?

  -



From chrisj at tribalddb.co.uk  Wed Oct 27 12:34:42 2004
From: chrisj at tribalddb.co.uk (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:34:42 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Heuristic for smart typing pairs
Message-ID: <BDA55472.54AA%chrisj@tribalddb.co.uk>

Allan,

Thought you would like to know that my colleague at work is very happy with
the new auto-insert features in 1.02b1, I have even seen her use the
wrap-selection-in-quotes feature.

Well done.

Chris


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From chrisjenkins at mac.com  Wed Oct 27 12:35:03 2004
From: chrisjenkins at mac.com (Chris Jenkins)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:35:03 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Heuristic for smart typing pairs
Message-ID: <BDA55487.54AC%chrisjenkins@mac.com>

Allan,

Thought you would like to know that my colleague at work is very happy with
the new auto-insert features in 1.02b1, I have even seen her use the
wrap-selection-in-quotes feature.

Well done.

Chris



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From jmchappell at mac.com  Wed Oct 27 12:44:21 2004
From: jmchappell at mac.com (Jackie Chappell)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 13:44:21 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <20041027120013.4CC8AAF5@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041027120013.4CC8AAF5@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <EC8E2D7F-2815-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>

On Tue, 26 Oct 2004 13:17:50 -1000 Timothy Martens wrote:

> /bin/sh: line 1: ruby: command not found
>
> why? do I need the full path in line 1?

Hmm. I don't use the full path for Ruby but it works for me. Also  
whereis ruby returns nothing for me, but I also have Ruby 1.8.1 in  
/usr/local/bin.

my $PATH is:

PATH="/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/teTeX/bin/powerpc-apple-darwin-current: 
/usr/local/mysql/bin:$PATH"

export PATH

in .bashrc, but you can also put it in .bash_profile (I 'source'  
.bashrc in .bash_profile). I found that if I put the default $PATH  
first, the shell would find the Panther version of Ruby (in /usr/bin)  
first before my 1.8.1 version in /usr/local/bin, but YMMV.

I think this must be a path issue. Does the command work if you specify  
the full path instead of just ruby?

Jackie
--
Jackie Chappell
jmchappell at mac.com



From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Wed Oct 27 12:48:56 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 14:48:56 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <0A232531-27FE-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
	<376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
	<41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<0A232531-27FE-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <20041027124855.GA18158@tara.freenix.org>

According to Timothy Martens:
> "whereis ruby" returns nothing
> 
> "whereis [ruby]" returns nothing

Forget whereis(1), it is not really doing the right way.

For bash users, use ? type <command> ?.  In zsh, one can use ruby<ESC> ? to
find the path for a given command (provided it is in the PATH). type is
also supported in zsh of course. csh/tcsh has the same key binding as zsh
too. which(1) is also a csh/tcsh builtin. 
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 27 14:09:42 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 16:09:42 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: Help With Ruby Command
In-Reply-To: <917DA6AC-27FF-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <20041026111143.1B2D844D@one.textdrive.com>
	<376955B8-2746-11D9-B7B2-000D93C0FE0E@mac.com>
	<41ACAE41-27A5-11D9-9786-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<A933DE1E-27BA-11D9-B43D-0003930D67D6@station11.net>
	<917DA6AC-27FF-11D9-BBAD-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <D92DB012-2821-11D9-A7E1-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 27. Oct 2004, at 12:04, Timothy Martens wrote:

>> to the .bashrc file within your home directory.  Add it if it doesn't 
>> exist.
> I don't have a .bashrc file in home, but I do have .bash_profile which 
> contains:
>
> export 
> PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/bin:/usr/local/mysql/bin:/usr/local/php/bin

Currently TextMate starts bash as a non-interactive non-login shell. So 
the only file sourced will be the one mentioned in the BASH_ENV 
variable (which no-one probably have setup).

I'll add '--login' in next beta, that should make it read the 
.bash_profile, and hopefully people will have less problems with paths.


Kind regards Allan



From noel at noeljackson.com  Wed Oct 27 19:57:31 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel Jackson)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 15:57:31 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
Message-ID: <6FFD01CE-2852-11D9-B157-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

I'm sure if you talked to the developer of transmit, he'd add TextMate 
for you in a heartbeat.

-Noel

On Oct 25, 2004, at 5:32 PM, Jonas M Luster wrote:

> But you're right, unless Transmit adds TextMate as an editor, it's 
> pretty much moot.
>

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From allan at macromates.com  Wed Oct 27 21:00:39 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 23:00:39 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <6FFD01CE-2852-11D9-B157-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
	<6FFD01CE-2852-11D9-B157-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
Message-ID: <41FA7AE5-285B-11D9-A7E1-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 27. Oct 2004, at 21:57, Noel Jackson wrote:

> I'm sure if you talked to the developer of transmit, he'd add TextMate 
> for you in a heartbeat.

I actually wrote them last week to learn if their list of "good" 
editors were kept in a plist or similar -- but they haven't replied 
yet.

Kind regards Allan



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Thu Oct 28 00:52:34 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:52:34 +1000
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing	support?
In-Reply-To: <41FA7AE5-285B-11D9-A7E1-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <3B241BEF-26A6-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>
	<B18F3334-26C7-11D9-A783-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<417D70D3.4070001@jluster.org>
	<6FFD01CE-2852-11D9-B157-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>
	<41FA7AE5-285B-11D9-A7E1-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <A785910E-287B-11D9-B6B5-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>


On 28/10/2004, at 7:00 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> On 27. Oct 2004, at 21:57, Noel Jackson wrote:
>
>> I'm sure if you talked to the developer of transmit, he'd add 
>> TextMate for you in a heartbeat.
>
> I actually wrote them last week to learn if their list of "good" 
> editors were kept in a plist or similar -- but they haven't replied 
> yet.

Panic replied to me on the same topic a while back...

---
All of the text editors in Transmit's pop-up are special -- they all 
support a special suite of AppleEvents, so that when you choose "Save" 
in the text editor, it automatically launches Transmit and uploads the 
file to the right location.

As more text editors support this, we'll add them.

In the meantime, of course any text editor works with Transmit -- but 
they won't launch from _within_ Transmit.
---

So, support what they need supported, then let them know so they can 
add it, I guess.

Justin



From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Thu Oct 28 03:35:50 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Wed, 27 Oct 2004 22:35:50 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing support?
In-Reply-To: <A785910E-287B-11D9-B6B5-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <BDA5D346.12D57%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

On 10/27/04 7:52 PM, "Justin French" <justin.french at indent.com.au> wrote:
> All of the text editors in Transmit's pop-up are special -- they all
> support a special suite of AppleEvents, so that when you choose "Save"
> in the text editor, it automatically launches Transmit and uploads the
> file to the right location.

This sounds similar to Interarchy's "Edit with..." feature.  This is a
perfect opportunity for me to ask for that again.  :-D  Pretty please with
sugar on top.  Here are the details for that again:

------ Forwarded Message
From: Peter N Lewis <peter at stairways.com.au>
Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:06:08 +0800
To: Simon Dorfman <Simon at SimonDorfman.com>
Subject: Re: Edit with...   TextMate

>I want to ask the developer of a new text editor (TextMate macromates.com)
>to support your "Edit with..." feature.  What does he need to know to make
>it jive with Interarchy?

The details are at:

http://www.merzwaren.com/external_editor.html

and Bare Bones' original specification is at:
http://www.barebones.com/support/developer/odbsuite.html

If they drop me a line when it is implemented we'll be happy to add
TexMate to our list of possible editors.

Enjoy,
    Peter.

--
<http://www.stairways.com/>  <http://download.stairways.com/>



------ End of Forwarded Message




From jarkko at jlaine.net  Thu Oct 28 09:12:28 2004
From: jarkko at jlaine.net (Jarkko Laine)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:12:28 +0300
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing support?
In-Reply-To: <BDA5D346.12D57%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BDA5D346.12D57%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <7DA362B0-28C1-11D9-B602-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>


On 28.10.2004, at 06:35, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> On 10/27/04 7:52 PM, "Justin French" <justin.french at indent.com.au> 
> wrote:
>> All of the text editors in Transmit's pop-up are special -- they all
>> support a special suite of AppleEvents, so that when you choose "Save"
>> in the text editor, it automatically launches Transmit and uploads the
>> file to the right location.
>

I tested out YummyFTP (that someone mentioned on this list) and it 
looks really slick. I just selected TextMate as the external editor and 
opening and saving directly from/to sftp server works fine, without any 
API or AppleEvents compliance from the TextMate side.

If you need that functionality right now, go ahead and test it (it's in 
Versiontracker), it's definitely worth a try. Unfortunately the free 
(fully functional) demo only works for seven days so the buying 
decision has to be made quite fast.

//jarkko

--
Jarkko Laine
http://jlaine.net



From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct 28 09:44:33 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 10:44:33 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
Message-ID: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>

I just make a rectangular selection of a column about 20 lines long, and 
copied it to the clipboard.

Pasting this further down the document failed to create the extra space 
needed for the code being pasted, and effectively 'merged' the pasted 
code with the existing code following the insertion point.

Hard to explain. Will screen shot the steps if necessary.


drew.


From cryo at diku.dk  Thu Oct 28 10:44:44 2004
From: cryo at diku.dk (Sune Foldager)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 12:44:44 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
In-Reply-To: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>
References: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>

On 28. okt 2004, at 11:44, Drew McLellan wrote:

> I just make a rectangular selection of a column about 20 lines long, 
> and copied it to the clipboard.
>
> Pasting this further down the document failed to create the extra 
> space needed for the code being pasted, and effectively 'merged' the 
> pasted code with the existing code following the insertion point.
>
> Hard to explain. Will screen shot the steps if necessary.

I think I know what you mean... pasting columnar selections, will paste 
it back the same way producing the merge you are talking about. This is 
on purpose and by design however. If you really need the extra space 
you will need to press enter a bit yourself beforehand. I suppose it 
could be useful in some circumstances with a paste that forced TM to 
ignore that it is in columnar mode.

-- 
Sune.
"Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn"
http://cyanite.org  --  Content follows ;-).



From john at arrival5.com  Thu Oct 28 15:27:21 2004
From: john at arrival5.com (John Peele [*] Arrival 5 Design)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 11:27:21 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
Message-ID: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>

here is the issue i am having...

1.  i scroll to a place deep within a long document to do some editing, 
say a css file
2.  i then switch to another document to apply some other edits, i 
switch documents by clicking on their tab
3.  when i return to the first document, the css file in this case, the 
caret has returned to the top of the document and i have to scroll 
again to find the place that i was editing...

is there anyone else having this issue?

thanks for a great product none-the-less!!


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From roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr  Thu Oct 28 15:31:55 2004
From: roberto+textmate at keltia.freenix.fr (Ollivier Robert)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:31:55 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
In-Reply-To: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
References: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
Message-ID: <20041028153155.GA57162@tara.freenix.org>

According to John Peele [*] Arrival 5 Design:
> is there anyone else having this issue?

Agreed, it bits me all the time.
-- 
Ollivier ROBERT -=- FreeBSD: The Power to Serve! -=- roberto at keltia.freenix.fr
Darwin snuadh.freenix.org Kernel Version 7.5.0: Wed May 12 16:58:24 PDT 2004


From raena at raena.net  Thu Oct 28 16:57:42 2004
From: raena at raena.net (Raena Armitage)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 03:57:42 +1100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing support?
In-Reply-To: <BDA5D346.12D57%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BDA5D346.12D57%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <7B8BE4B0-2902-11D9-BA00-000A957EC92C@raena.net>

On 28 Oct 2004, at 2:35 pm, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> :-D  Pretty please with
> sugar on top.  Here are the details for that again:

Extra double pretty please? :D



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com  Thu Oct 28 17:13:41 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.com (Dominique Peretti)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:13:41 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
In-Reply-To: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
References: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
Message-ID: <B714AEF2-2904-11D9-871C-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.com>


This is likely to be the "refresh bug" I complained about a couple of 
days ago.
http://one.textdrive.com/pipermail/textmate/2004-October/000919.html

It was introduced in 1.01?2.
According to Allan, it has now been identified and will be fixed soon.

This is a critical issue.
A friend of mine, who bought TextMate too, stopped using it because the 
bug drove him nuts.
As for me, I switched back to 1.0.1?1. I can't wait until it's fixed !


Dominique PERETTI
http://www.lachoseinteractive.net
On 28 oct. 04, at 17:27, John Peele [*] Arrival 5 Design wrote:

> here is the issue i am having...
>
> 1.  i scroll to a place deep within a long document to do some 
> editing, say a css file
> 2.  i then switch to another document to apply some other edits, i 
> switch documents by clicking on their tab
> 3.  when i return to the first document, the css file in this case, 
> the caret has returned to the top of the document and i have to scroll 
> again to find the place that i was editing...
>
> is there anyone else having this issue?
>
> thanks for a great product none-the-less!!
>
>
> <image.jpg>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> www.arrival5.com ????web
> 336,577,8014 ????????mobile ???
> 336,992,3751 ????????home office
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct 28 18:52:05 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:52:05 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
In-Reply-To: <612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
References: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>
	<612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
Message-ID: <41813FD5.3010905@allinthehead.com>

Sune Foldager wrote:
> On 28. okt 2004, at 11:44, Drew McLellan wrote:
> 
>> I just make a rectangular selection of a column about 20 lines long, 
>> and copied it to the clipboard.
>>
>> Pasting this further down the document failed to create the extra 
>> space needed for the code being pasted, and effectively 'merged' the 
>> pasted code with the existing code following the insertion point.
>>
>> Hard to explain. Will screen shot the steps if necessary.
> 
> I think I know what you mean... pasting columnar selections, will paste 
> it back the same way producing the merge you are talking about. This is 
> on purpose and by design however. If you really need the extra space you 
> will need to press enter a bit yourself beforehand. I suppose it could 
> be useful in some circumstances with a paste that forced TM to ignore 
> that it is in columnar mode.

I see - "broken by design"  :)

I can see how this special paste mode could be very useful, but I don't 
think it should be the default. Everyone is familiar with how paste 
works - the code is placed at the insertion point, displacing everything 
that comes after it.

This cool merge paste trick should be some kind of "special paste".

I like it though!

drew.


From EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com  Thu Oct 28 19:51:34 2004
From: EmailLists at SimonDorfman.com (Simon Dorfman)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 14:51:34 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Add 'twiddle characters' support to Cocoa apps
Message-ID: <BDA6B7F6.12DD0%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>

Allan,
I thought this article might be of interest to you:
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041026211641708

Simon




From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 28 20:45:23 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:45:23 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
In-Reply-To: <41813FD5.3010905@allinthehead.com>
References: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>
	<612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>
	<41813FD5.3010905@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <4A197CFB-2922-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 28. Oct 2004, at 20:52, Drew McLellan wrote:

> I can see how this special paste mode could be very useful, but I 
> don't think it should be the default.

It's what I want 90% of the time. The reason for making it default is 
that you can easily work around it by first inserting empty lines -- 
it's not likewise possible to "obtain" the column-paste by workarounds.

I did at one time consider adding a qualifier to make a "regular 
paste", but cmd-v is already too overloaded with the clipboard history.


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Thu Oct 28 21:12:29 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 22:12:29 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
In-Reply-To: <4A197CFB-2922-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>	<612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41813FD5.3010905@allinthehead.com>
	<4A197CFB-2922-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <418160BD.7070509@allinthehead.com>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On 28. Oct 2004, at 20:52, Drew McLellan wrote:
> 
>> I can see how this special paste mode could be very useful, but I 
>> don't think it should be the default.
> 
> 
> It's what I want 90% of the time. The reason for making it default is 
> that you can easily work around it by first inserting empty lines -- 
> it's not likewise possible to "obtain" the column-paste by workarounds.
> 
> I did at one time consider adding a qualifier to make a "regular paste", 
> but cmd-v is already too overloaded with the clipboard history.

But do you not see how it's confusing that paste works differently 
depending on how the selection was made before the copy?

That's a whole two steps away.

drew.


From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Thu Oct 28 21:58:35 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 16:58:35 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
In-Reply-To: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
References: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
Message-ID: <8447E7CC-292C-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>

as a workaround for the time being, what I do is always remember to 
"click" in the center of the document that I am looking at before I 
switch to another tab.  this way it will hold your place.  definitely a 
bug though.

k

On Oct 28, 2004, at 10:27 AM, John Peele [*] Arrival 5 Design wrote:

> here is the issue i am having...
>
> 1.  i scroll to a place deep within a long document to do some 
> editing, say a css file
> 2.  i then switch to another document to apply some other edits, i 
> switch documents by clicking on their tab
> 3.  when i return to the first document, the css file in this case, 
> the caret has returned to the top of the document and i have to scroll 
> again to find the place that i was editing...
>
> is there anyone else having this issue?
>
> thanks for a great product none-the-less!!
>
>
> <image.jpg>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> www.arrival5.com ????web
> 336,577,8014 ????????mobile ???
> 336,992,3751 ????????home office
>
> _______________________________________________
> textmate mailing list
> textmate at lists.macromates.com
> http://lists.macromates.com/mailman/listinfo/textmate
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From kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com  Thu Oct 28 22:02:50 2004
From: kmcmillan at leapfrogonline.com (kumar mcmillan)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 17:02:50 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Add 'twiddle characters' support to Cocoa apps
In-Reply-To: <BDA6B7F6.12DD0%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
References: <BDA6B7F6.12DD0%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
Message-ID: <1C08116A-292D-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>


On Oct 28, 2004, at 2:51 PM, Simon Dorfman wrote:

> Allan,
> I thought this article might be of interest to you:
> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041026211641708

not to go OT but I have to say, in my opinion, this is another useless 
BBEdit feature.  TextMate can learn from their mistakes :)

k



From noel at noeljackson.com  Thu Oct 28 23:34:00 2004
From: noel at noeljackson.com (Noel Jackson)
Date: Thu, 28 Oct 2004 19:34:00 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] workarounds for lack of (s)ftp/external
	editing support?
In-Reply-To: <7DA362B0-28C1-11D9-B602-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
References: <BDA5D346.12D57%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<7DA362B0-28C1-11D9-B602-000393C43A9E@jlaine.net>
Message-ID: <D877A968-2939-11D9-9FDD-000D936CC9AA@noeljackson.com>

indeed it does. how in the hell did I miss that??? blasphemy I say. 
perhaps the other FTP clients could learn from this?


On Oct 28, 2004, at 5:12 AM, Jarkko Laine wrote:

> I tested out YummyFTP (that someone mentioned on this list) and it 
> looks really slick. I just selected TextMate as the external editor 
> and opening and saving directly from/to sftp server works fine, 
> without any API or AppleEvents compliance from the TextMate side.
>
> If you need that functionality right now, go ahead and test it (it's 
> in Versiontracker), it's definitely worth a try. Unfortunately the 
> free (fully functional) demo only works for seven days so the buying 
> decision has to be made quite fast.

----------------------
noel at noeljackson.com
http://noeljackson.com
http://relevantly.com
----------------------



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 28 23:52:28 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:52:28 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
In-Reply-To: <418160BD.7070509@allinthehead.com>
References: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>	<612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41813FD5.3010905@allinthehead.com>
	<4A197CFB-2922-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<418160BD.7070509@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <6CA5F99C-293C-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 28. Oct 2004, at 23:12, Drew McLellan wrote:

> But do you not see how it's confusing that paste works differently 
> depending on how the selection was made before the copy?

Well, you did seem to know that the paste was different because you'd 
done a different type of copy!?! so as of such, it wasn't confusing to 
you, you just didn't know how to disable an unwanted feature.

Generally I try to make the default behavior the one that is what I 
think is used the most, and in this case this is "insert as columns", 
and I need more than one example to change my mind ;)

Additionally there is the thing about having a rather easy workaround 
for the default behavior (insert empty lines before pasting), which 
does not require one to learn a new qualifier, which would be the case, 
if the default was "insert as stream" and the opposite was needed.


Kind regards Allan



From allan at macromates.com  Thu Oct 28 23:59:25 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:59:25 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Add 'twiddle characters' support to Cocoa apps
In-Reply-To: <1C08116A-292D-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <BDA6B7F6.12DD0%EmailLists@SimonDorfman.com>
	<1C08116A-292D-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <6596CE6C-293D-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 29. Oct 2004, at 0:02, kumar mcmillan wrote:

>> I thought this article might be of interest to you:
>> http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=20041026211641708
> not to go OT but I have to say, in my opinion, this is another useless 
> BBEdit feature.  TextMate can learn from their mistakes :)

Actually, I use transpose all the time in just about any Cocoa 
applications, it didn't happen to me before I got a Mac, so I'm halfway 
blaming Apple's keyboard ;) but I do seem to output a lot of letters in 
the wrong order, it even happened once in this sentence -- and I then 
just go back between these and press control-t (and that's also a 
default binding in TextMate, though it doesn't do the 
moveBackward-thing, which wouldn't be an advantage with my usage 
pattern).

Oh, and if you're at the begin/end of line in TextMate, and press 
control-t, it'll swap the two lines.

If you have multiple lines selected, it will reverse the order of these 
on control-t (strange as it may sound, something I have actually used 
on several occasions ;) ).


Kind regards Allan



From lists at allinthehead.com  Fri Oct 29 00:11:34 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:11:34 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Rectangular selections paste badly
In-Reply-To: <6CA5F99C-293C-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4180BF81.1010902@allinthehead.com>	<612ED206-28CE-11D9-A9E9-000393D4B5C8@diku.dk>	<41813FD5.3010905@allinthehead.com>	<4A197CFB-2922-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>	<418160BD.7070509@allinthehead.com>
	<6CA5F99C-293C-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <41818AB6.8090303@allinthehead.com>

Allan Odgaard wrote:
> On 28. Oct 2004, at 23:12, Drew McLellan wrote:
> 
>> But do you not see how it's confusing that paste works differently 
>> depending on how the selection was made before the copy?
> 
> 
> Well, you did seem to know that the paste was different because you'd 
> done a different type of copy!?! so as of such, it wasn't confusing to 
> you, you just didn't know how to disable an unwanted feature.
> 
> Generally I try to make the default behavior the one that is what I 
> think is used the most, and in this case this is "insert as columns", 
> and I need more than one example to change my mind ;)
> 
> Additionally there is the thing about having a rather easy workaround 
> for the default behavior (insert empty lines before pasting), which does 
> not require one to learn a new qualifier, which would be the case, if 
> the default was "insert as stream" and the opposite was needed.

I only knew it was different because it screwed up my file. I honestly 
thought it was a bug it broke so bad. Not because the feature is bad (I 
really like the feature now I understand it) but because it's replacing 
the default behavior.

The 'rather easy workaround' took me 4 or 5 attempts before I'd inserted 
enough spaces. It's a productivity killer.

If this really *has* to be the default, *please* include a shortcut to 
the correct pasting behavior too.


drew.


From woodtrail at jetemail.net  Fri Oct 29 05:06:12 2004
From: woodtrail at jetemail.net (Travis P)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:06:12 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Java syntax coloring not currently available
Message-ID: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>


I'm trying out 1.0.1.  Hard to believe with that list of languages that 
Java isn't present.  I found the link to Brian Lalor's bundle for it on 
the wiki, but the link is currently dead.

-Travis



From woodtrail at jetemail.net  Fri Oct 29 05:29:24 2004
From: woodtrail at jetemail.net (Travis P)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:29:24 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Tab Always Indent and indent-region
Message-ID: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>


Two marvelously useful features that I use heavily for programming all 
kinds of language in Emacs and XEmacs are:
  - Tab Always Indent: when this option is on, hitting the TAB key 
always just indents the current line
  - indent-region: re-indent the selection

I see you already have editing over sftp in your todo for 1.1.

TextMate looks like a good start and might find a nice niche.  It's a 
bit rough around the edges at the moment.  And I find it hard to work 
without the two indent features I mention above.  Maybe I should add 
them to the Feature requests page?

-Travis



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Fri Oct 29 05:39:35 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:39:35 +1000
Subject: [TxMt] Java syntax coloring not currently available
In-Reply-To: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
References: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
Message-ID: <EAE1E521-296C-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 29/10/2004, at 3:06 PM, Travis P wrote:

> I'm trying out 1.0.1.  Hard to believe with that list of languages 
> that Java isn't present.  I found the link to Brian Lalor's bundle for 
> it on the wiki, but the link is currently dead.

TextMate has one developer.  That's why the community (myself included) 
has pitched in a developed some language files to help the community 
get what they need.  1.0 launched with just HTML, PHP, Ruby and CSS, 
and the community pitched in with everything else you see in 1.0.1.

I'm sure many more will be added as the community pitches in and helps 
out.  You could help out too :)

Justin



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Fri Oct 29 05:43:39 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 15:43:39 +1000
Subject: [TxMt] Tab Always Indent and indent-region
In-Reply-To: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
References: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
Message-ID: <7C10C40A-296D-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 29/10/2004, at 3:29 PM, Travis P wrote:

>
> Two marvelously useful features that I use heavily for programming all 
> kinds of language in Emacs and XEmacs are:
>  - Tab Always Indent: when this option is on, hitting the TAB key 
> always just indents the current line
>  - indent-region: re-indent the selection

I'm not entirely sure what each of these feature are (can you get more 
specific?), but I *think* that both issue might be solved with TM's 
column selection tool.

I can select the first char of every line in a block, hit "tab" and it 
will indent all selected lines by one tab.

> TextMate looks like a good start and might find a nice niche.  It's a 
> bit rough around the edges at the moment.  And I find it hard to work 
> without the two indent features I mention above.  Maybe I should add 
> them to the Feature requests page?

Rather than "a bit rough around the edges", how about you get 
specific... Allan and the rest of us who help out can't possibly read 
your mind :)  It's still in it's infancy, but Allan has worked really 
hard to implement all sane feature requests.

Justin



From woodtrail at jetemail.net  Fri Oct 29 05:53:14 2004
From: woodtrail at jetemail.net (Travis P)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:53:14 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Java syntax coloring not currently available
In-Reply-To: <EAE1E521-296C-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
	<EAE1E521-296C-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <D32559D1-296E-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>


On Oct 29, 2004, at 12:39 AM, Justin French wrote:

> On 29/10/2004, at 3:06 PM, Travis P wrote:
>
>> I'm trying out 1.0.1.  Hard to believe with that list of languages 
>> that Java isn't present.  I found the link to Brian Lalor's bundle 
>> for it on the wiki, but the link is currently dead.
>
> TextMate has one developer.  That's why the community (myself 
> included) has pitched in a developed some language files to help the 
> community get what they need.  1.0 launched with just HTML, PHP, Ruby 
> and CSS, and the community pitched in with everything else you see in 
> 1.0.1.
>
> I'm sure many more will be added as the community pitches in and helps 
> out.  You could help out too :)

Thanks for the context.  I'm not sure how much I want to invest at this 
point.  Feeling the water about now.

-Travis



From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 29 05:55:10 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:55:10 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
In-Reply-To: <8447E7CC-292C-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
References: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
	<8447E7CC-292C-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
Message-ID: <17E5A0F2-296F-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 28. Oct 2004, at 23:58, kumar mcmillan wrote:

> as a workaround for the time being, what I do is always remember to 
> "click" in the center of the document that I am looking at before I 
> switch to another tab.  this way it will hold your place.  definitely 
> a bug though.

A bug is when something behaves differently than _I_ intended it to 
behave! ;)

That said, I've changed the behavior to use the first visual line 
instead of centering the caret -- I'll do a beta build tomorrow, I hope 
to have the refresh bug fixed and external ftp client support also.


Kind regards Allan



From woodtrail at jetemail.net  Fri Oct 29 06:21:18 2004
From: woodtrail at jetemail.net (Travis P)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 01:21:18 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Tab Always Indent and indent-region
In-Reply-To: <7C10C40A-296D-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
References: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
	<7C10C40A-296D-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
Message-ID: <BE5B2A89-2972-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>


On Oct 29, 2004, at 12:43 AM, Justin French wrote:

> On 29/10/2004, at 3:29 PM, Travis P wrote:
>
>>
>> Two marvelously useful features that I use heavily for programming 
>> all kinds of language in Emacs and XEmacs are:
>>  - Tab Always Indent: when this option is on, hitting the TAB key 
>> always just indents the current line
>>  - indent-region: re-indent the selection
>
> I'm not entirely sure what each of these feature are (can you get more 
> specific?), but I *think* that both issue might be solved with TM's 
> column selection tool.
>
> I can select the first char of every line in a block, hit "tab" and it 
> will indent all selected lines by one tab.

Yep, that's not it.  I make do with a similar mode in SubEthaEdit 
sometimes, but it's inconvenient and requires a human to do a lot of 
work that the computer can do quite well.

I'm talking about a syntax-aware indentation.  It will change the 
indentation only if the line is not already properly indented (properly 
is language syntax dependent naturally).  If the line is not properly 
indented, it will be indented as appropriate with whitespace.

With the "Tab Always Indent" option, pressing tab anywhere on a line 
causes that line to be syntax-aware re-indented (which might not do 
anything if the line is already indented correctly).

"indent-region" just performs the operation on a selection.  It is like 
going to the first line, pressing tab (assuming Tab Always Indent), 
next line, pressing tab, next line, pressing tab, for each line of the 
selection.

XCode has these features too (I'm looking at version 1.1):
   Tab Always Indent:  Indentation Preference panel: "Syntax-aware 
indents"  and "Tab indents: Always"
   indent-region:  ", make a selection and choose Format" menu -> 
"Re-indent"

This feature has the nifty side-effect that it really helps finding 
unbalanced parens/braces/etc or other mistakes (forgetting to put 
braces around multiple statement if/else/while/for-statement bodies in 
languages where such braces are optional if the desired body is a 
single statement: C/C++/Java) because all of a sudden the indentation 
will be off unexpectedly.

>> TextMate looks like a good start and might find a nice niche.  It's a 
>> bit rough around the edges at the moment.  And I find it hard to work 
>> without the two indent features I mention above.  Maybe I should add 
>> them to the Feature requests page?
>
> Rather than "a bit rough around the edges", how about you get 
> specific... Allan and the rest of us who help out can't possibly read 
> your mind :)  It's still in it's infancy, but Allan has worked really 
> hard to implement all sane feature requests.

I was looking at the mailing list archives are referring to stuff that 
other people have gotten specific about.  I think I got really specific 
just above about the syntax-aware indentation. :-)   I'll be specific 
about other things as I get a chance to exercise the program.

Some other things that do come to my immediate attention:

  Web preview:  I wish there were a "Home"/Snapback button to bring me 
back to the page being edited. "Reload" in SubEthaEdit actually reloads 
(snapback) the page being edited (unlike a browser).  If you check a 
link or two and hit "Reload", TextMate reloads the page you navigated 
to (like a browser would).  Hitting Return in the "Base URL:" text 
field does not reload the base page (as it would in a browser).  The 
"Base URL:" text field can be edited (like a URL field in a browser), 
though the edits have no effect (unlike a browser).  That's confusing 
behavior.

Some language coloring/styling is problematic.  In particular, when 
looking at HTML or some code, some things are italicized.  In my 
preferred font of non-anti-aliased Monoco 10, italicized text is 
largely unreadable.  I like the colors, but not the style changes.

-Travis



From jeroen at je-ju.net  Fri Oct 29 08:41:48 2004
From: jeroen at je-ju.net (Jeroen)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:41:48 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Tab Always Indent and indent-region
In-Reply-To: <BE5B2A89-2972-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
References: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>	<7C10C40A-296D-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<BE5B2A89-2972-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
Message-ID: <4182024C.1060508@je-ju.net>

Travis P wrote:
> I'm talking about a syntax-aware indentation.  It will change the 
> indentation only if the line is not already properly indented (properly 
> is language syntax dependent naturally).  If the line is not properly 
> indented, it will be indented as appropriate with whitespace.
> 
> With the "Tab Always Indent" option, pressing tab anywhere on a line 
> causes that line to be syntax-aware re-indented (which might not do 
> anything if the line is already indented correctly).

This sounds like it would require a whole lot of coding to get this done 
properly. And it's only of use to you if it's done properly, otherwise 
you'll turn it off after two uses and never look at it again.

Also, this is something that would only work in languages where the 
indentation is defined by brackets or something. And then only for people 
with the same coding style.

Perhaps I'm a bit biased, because I mostly code in python where it simply 
is not possible to have syntax-aware indentation. (Because the indentation 
*is* syntax).

> XCode has these features too (I'm looking at version 1.1):
>   Tab Always Indent:  Indentation Preference panel: "Syntax-aware 
> indents"  and "Tab indents: Always"
>   indent-region:  ", make a selection and choose Format" menu -> 
> "Re-indent"

> 
> This feature has the nifty side-effect that it really helps finding 
> unbalanced parens/braces/etc or other mistakes (forgetting to put braces 
> around multiple statement if/else/while/for-statement bodies in 
> languages where such braces are optional if the desired body is a single 
> statement: C/C++/Java) because all of a sudden the indentation will be 
> off unexpectedly.

There already is a feature for this: when you move over a parens/brace/etc, 
the matching one lights up briefly.

> Some language coloring/styling is problematic.  In particular, when 
> looking at HTML or some code, some things are italicized.  In my 
> preferred font of non-anti-aliased Monoco 10, italicized text is largely 
> unreadable.  I like the colors, but not the style changes.

As stated before: these are almost all user contributed. If you don't like 
the way it looks, get your hands dirty and edit the syntax file...

And before you ask: A syntax highlighting configuration editor/preferences 
window is already on the list of requested features ;-)

Jeroen.


From mats at imediatec.co.uk  Fri Oct 29 09:08:05 2004
From: mats at imediatec.co.uk (Mats Persson)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:08:05 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
Message-ID: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>


This is another minor/major feature request for Allan : )

The order of the open files windows tabs - in top of project window - 
has confused me for a while, as the open files have not followed an 
immediately identifiable method/structure. Having created a simple test 
project with files named a1,a2, b1, b2 etc etc. I have finally worked 
it out.

Newly opened files will always be added immediately behind the 
currently selected tab, and not in an alphabetical order nor in a order 
of opened status which I had kind of assumed it would do just like 
Safari tabs do.

Therefore, could it be possible to implement this as an options 
preference:
1. follow alphabetical order
2. order of open status (last opened is last in order)

IF this could be fixed I would be very grateful, as working with 10+ 
files open means I have to look through the tab bar for where my opened 
files has been located.

What's the general view on this ?  Apologies if this has been discussed 
earlier without me noticing it.

Kind regards,

Mats



From lists at allinthehead.com  Fri Oct 29 09:23:51 2004
From: lists at allinthehead.com (Drew McLellan)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 10:23:51 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
In-Reply-To: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
References: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
Message-ID: <41820C27.2030602@allinthehead.com>

Mats Persson wrote:

> Newly opened files will always be added immediately behind the currently 
> selected tab, and not in an alphabetical order nor in a order of opened 
> status which I had kind of assumed it would do just like Safari tabs do.
<snip>
> What's the general view on this ?  Apologies if this has been discussed 
> earlier without me noticing it.

This has caught me out too. My presumption was that it was somehow 
remembering where the file was when I last had it open.

In almost all cases, opening a new file has caused me to become a little 
disorientated and start closing any files I don't need anymore, just to 
get my bearings.

At least it's good for the housekeeping ;)

I'm all for options, and I think the option I'd personally choose is to 
have new tabs open at the end of the list.

drew.


From nis.sarup at gmail.com  Fri Oct 29 09:50:11 2004
From: nis.sarup at gmail.com (Nis Sarup)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 11:50:11 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Re: [TextMate] htmlentitizing text
In-Reply-To: <039E56D4-25C7-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <4df8d4da0410231413448f73c2@mail.gmail.com>
	<E835FE72-2546-11D9-9D22-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<1DBFDF82-25C5-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<039E56D4-25C7-11D9-A9F3-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <4df8d4da041029025048a9205@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 24 Oct 2004 16:14:27 +0200, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
>     php -r 'echo htmlentities(stripslashes($_ENV["TM_SELECTED_TEXT"]),
> ENT_QUOTES, "UTF-8");'
> 

The above code didnt work for me. For some reason my $_ENV array was
empty, and the only site on the net with an answer to that, wanted me
to register to get  it.
So I messed around with the other variables and found that $_SERVER
also holds the TM_SELECTED_TEXT variable. So this works for me, quotes
and all:

php -r 'echo htmlentities(stripslashes($_SERVER["TM_SELECTED_TEXT"]),
ENT_QUOTES, "UTF-8");'

>
> Not sure why you want the ENT_QUOTES option?
> 

Well, Im not exactly sure either. I have just always used that option
and have never had any problems with it. It might not be strictly
necesarry, but whats the hurt?

Oh, and by the way, I just pay for Textmate. It really is worth the
money. Even after the first of November.


From timfm at hawaii.rr.com  Fri Oct 29 10:13:22 2004
From: timfm at hawaii.rr.com (Timothy Martens)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 00:13:22 -1000
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
In-Reply-To: <41820C27.2030602@allinthehead.com>
References: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<41820C27.2030602@allinthehead.com>
Message-ID: <29D15238-2993-11D9-B3C1-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>


On Oct 28, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Drew McLellan wrote:
> In almost all cases, opening a new file has caused me to become a 
> little disorientated and start closing any files I don't need anymore, 
> just to get my bearings.

I've been experiencing this exact behavior as well.

> I'm all for options, and I think the option I'd personally choose is 
> to have new tabs open at the end of the list.

me too. append to end please.



From blalor at bravo5.org  Fri Oct 29 10:52:40 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 05:52:40 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Java syntax coloring not currently available
In-Reply-To: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
References: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
Message-ID: <A795BEF6-2998-11D9-88C0-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 29, 2004, at 12:06 AM, Travis P wrote:

> I'm trying out 1.0.1.  Hard to believe with that list of languages 
> that Java isn't present.  I found the link to Brian Lalor's bundle for 
> it on the wiki, but the link is currently dead.

First, I thought I lost my XFS filesystem when I upgraded kernels.  
Then I managed to go back, tar up my subversion repository, and then I 
nuked the partition.  Guess where I left the tarball? *sigh*

I'll post a link to the bundle later this morning.

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From woodtrail at jetemail.net  Fri Oct 29 13:34:35 2004
From: woodtrail at jetemail.net (Travis P)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 08:34:35 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Tab Always Indent and indent-region
In-Reply-To: <4182024C.1060508@je-ju.net>
References: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>	<7C10C40A-296D-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<BE5B2A89-2972-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
	<4182024C.1060508@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <45FA43A4-29AF-11D9-A10D-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>


On Oct 29, 2004, at 3:41 AM, Jeroen wrote:

> Travis P wrote:
>> I'm talking about a syntax-aware indentation.  It will change the 
>> indentation only if the line is not already properly indented 
>> (properly is language syntax dependent naturally).  If the line is 
>> not properly indented, it will be indented as appropriate with 
>> whitespace.
>> With the "Tab Always Indent" option, pressing tab anywhere on a line 
>> causes that line to be syntax-aware re-indented (which might not do 
>> anything if the line is already indented correctly).
>
> This sounds like it would require a whole lot of coding to get this 
> done properly. And it's only of use to you if it's done properly, 
> otherwise you'll turn it off after two uses and never look at it 
> again.

I'm afraid I don't know how much code it is.  It would involve some 
code, yes.  If might not be that much though.  Looks to me like it 
might actually involve not much at all.  Playing with XCode, it does 
not appear to be language customized for the most part.  It just counts 
(){}[]-depth and then indents a level of tab-size x depth.

For example in XCode, it properly indents this "Java":
public class test {
   hey there() {
     iffy ( smash !@
            grab ) {
       do it
     }
   }
}

There is no Java keyword "iffy".  There no Java operator !@.  But it 
all works anyway for this style.
However, if one prefers

   if ( ... )
   {
     statements;
   }

rather than

   if ( ... ) {
     statements;
   }

Then XCode does need to recognize the "if" syntax as taking a block of 
statements or else the { }'s themselves are incorrectly placed.  But 
I'm not sure why.  XCode appears to be following some exceptional rule 
to intentionally misplace them in that instance.  For languages like 
C/C++/Java, it does need to know about commands for which it needs to 
indent the first statement if that first statement is on the following 
line and is not {}'ed, as if/for/while statements don't require the 
{}'es unless one is supplying a block of multiple statements.

There are a few exceptions that are language specific.  HTML <pre> 
sections, LaTeX verbatim, Perl/Shell here-files all should not have any 
auto-indentation done on them.  Also, the indentation-code would have 
to be careful of (){}[] in strings and regular expressions where they 
shouldn't affect the indentation.

> Also, this is something that would only work in languages where the 
> indentation is defined by brackets or something. And then only for 
> people with the same coding style.
>
> Perhaps I'm a bit biased, because I mostly code in python where it 
> simply is not possible to have syntax-aware indentation. (Because the 
> indentation *is* syntax).

It works well Perl, Tcl, Java, C, C++.  I use it for all 5 of those 
languages extensively.  I believe it also works for shell scripts 
(bash/ksh/csh), though I try to keep such scripts short enough that its 
not an issue for me.

I'm only very minimally familiar with Python.  Sounds Python is more 
the exception, so if that is your primary language then yes, maybe you 
wouldn't find this useful.  The five languages I mentioned are not rare 
birds though. :-)

>> XCode has these features too (I'm looking at version 1.1):
>>   Tab Always Indent:  Indentation Preference panel: "Syntax-aware 
>> indents"  and "Tab indents: Always"
>>   indent-region:  ", make a selection and choose Format" menu -> 
>> "Re-indent"
>
>> This feature has the nifty side-effect that it really helps finding 
>> unbalanced parens/braces/etc or other mistakes (forgetting to put 
>> braces around multiple statement if/else/while/for-statement bodies 
>> in languages where such braces are optional if the desired body is a 
>> single statement: C/C++/Java) because all of a sudden the indentation 
>> will be off unexpectedly.
>
> There already is a feature for this: when you move over a 
> parens/brace/etc, the matching one lights up briefly.

I use that too.  The highlighted-matching doesn't help the other 
exceptional case I mention (bodies that are mistakenly not bracketed) 
and doesn't work particularly well for large grouped things like whole 
functions and whole C++/Java classes/namespaces.

Based on your earlier comment about Python, maybe this does not apply 
to you.

-Travis



From wdnx at unm.edu  Fri Oct 29 13:58:15 2004
From: wdnx at unm.edu (William Douglas Neumann)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [TxMt] Tab Always Indent and indent-region
In-Reply-To: <4182024C.1060508@je-ju.net>
References: <7E804878-296B-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
	<7C10C40A-296D-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>
	<BE5B2A89-2972-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
	<4182024C.1060508@je-ju.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.61.0410290736300.3990@egor.unm.edu>

On Fri, 29 Oct 2004, Jeroen wrote:

> This sounds like it would require a whole lot of coding to get this done 
> properly. And it's only of use to you if it's done properly, otherwise you'll 
> turn it off after two uses and never look at it again.

I'm not sure how much code it would take to implement quality code 
wrapping, a la Vim.  However, I think the current wrapping situation could 
be made a lot better by the inclusion of un-indent cues (which I believe 
is on Allan's to do list).

> Also, this is something that would only work in languages where the 
> indentation is defined by brackets or something. And then only for people 
> with the same coding style.

Well, I'd assume that it would be customizable, just as the syntax files 
are for folk with different tastes in colors.

> Perhaps I'm a bit biased, because I mostly code in python where it simply is 
> not possible to have syntax-aware indentation. (Because the indentation *is* 
> syntax).

Hmmmm... it would seem that the Vim folk disagree with you there, as they 
have a Python indentation package in their standard distribution (though 
I'm not sure what it does, as I'm not a Python guy).

> There already is a feature for this: when you move over a parens/brace/etc, 
> the matching one lights up briefly.

Although this could be improved as well.  Right now, the hilighting only 
occurs when you move forward over the closing member of the pair (unless 
I'm missing a menu option somewhere), instead of either direction over 
either opening or closing members.  BTW:  Consider this a feature request, 
if it's not already an option, and a plea for guidance otherwise.

William D. Neumann
<wdnx at unm.edu>

FWO to the Nth degree!!!
---
Dear Lord, please make me the kind of person
my dog thinks I am.


From blalor at bravo5.org  Fri Oct 29 18:21:10 2004
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 13:21:10 -0500
Subject: [TxMt] Java syntax coloring not currently available
In-Reply-To: <A795BEF6-2998-11D9-88C0-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
References: <4098272E-2968-11D9-B8AB-003065F9DAF8@jetemail.net>
	<A795BEF6-2998-11D9-88C0-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>
Message-ID: <4ED34278-29D7-11D9-88C0-000A95E9CD22@bravo5.org>

On Oct 29, 2004, at 5:52 AM, Brian Lalor wrote:

> I'll post a link to the bundle later this morning.

http://telly.bravo5.org/~blalor/Java.tmbundle.tgz

-- 
    __   ____
   / /  / __/ Brian Lalor
  / _ \/__ \  blalor at bravo5.org
/_.__/____/  http://bravo5.org/


From allan at macromates.com  Fri Oct 29 20:32:10 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 22:32:10 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
In-Reply-To: <29D15238-2993-11D9-B3C1-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
References: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<41820C27.2030602@allinthehead.com>
	<29D15238-2993-11D9-B3C1-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
Message-ID: <9C2CC81A-29E9-11D9-A75E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 29. Oct 2004, at 12:13, Timothy Martens wrote:

>> I'm all for options, and I think the option I'd personally choose is 
>> to have new tabs open at the end of the list.
> me too. append to end please.

The rationale behind the current behavior is 1) if you open a new file, 
you can use cmd-option-left to get back to the previous file and 2) if 
your tab-bar overflows, it's still possible to get tabs opened in the 
visible portion of the tab-bar.

With regard to #1 then there's IMHO a further problem with opening a 
file and closing it again, since it doesn't go back to the previously 
open file. I've thought about changing the close-semantics (so that it 
always selects the tab to the left of the one it closes, instead of the 
one to the right) -- but I'm not sure I really like this.

I do have a neat solution planned for #2, but #1 becomes a problem if I 
change the current behavior. I've seen the request for LIFO behavior of 
tabs at the wiki (which seems to support the desire to keep #1), but I 
need a concrete explanation of exactly how this LIFO behavior should 
act, since only the goal is clear to me, not how to actually obtain it.

Comments (I've already noted two votes for changing it and/or an option 
;) )?


Kind regards Allan



From john at arrival5.com  Sat Oct 30 03:46:50 2004
From: john at arrival5.com (John Peele [*] Arrival 5 Design)
Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 23:46:50 -0400
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
In-Reply-To: <17E5A0F2-296F-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
	<8447E7CC-292C-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
	<17E5A0F2-296F-11D9-822D-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <549DA1A6-2A26-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>

does this *feature* :)  have any effect on the undo history?

here is my scenario...  same css document as before, when i save the 
document and then switch to safari to preview the changes and then 
switch back to textmate, i no longer have any undo's available for that 
particular document.

any ideas?


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On Oct 29, 2004, at 1:55 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

On 28. Oct 2004, at 23:58, kumar mcmillan wrote:

> as a workaround for the time being, what I do is always remember to 
> "click" in the center of the document that I am looking at before I 
> switch to another tab.  this way it will hold your place.  definitely 
> a bug though.

A bug is when something behaves differently than _I_ intended it to 
behave! ;)

That said, I've changed the behavior to use the first visual line 
instead of centering the caret -- I'll do a beta build tomorrow, I hope 
to have the refresh bug fixed and external ftp client support also.


Kind regards Allan

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From allan at macromates.com  Sat Oct 30 06:28:40 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 08:28:40 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] remembering caret position in long documents
In-Reply-To: <549DA1A6-2A26-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
References: <DCB532FA-28F5-11D9-A631-000393467B62@arrival5.com>
	<8447E7CC-292C-11D9-8C21-000A9584EC8C@leapfrogonline.com>
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Message-ID: <F07906B7-2A3C-11D9-A75E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 30. Oct 2004, at 5:46, John Peele [*] Arrival 5 Design wrote:

> does this *feature* :)  have any effect on the undo history?

Centering the caret when switching tabs was intended behavior, dropping 
meta-data on some re-activations was a bug -- both things have been 
?fixed? in beta 2, which is available in 30 minutes.

Unfortunately it doesn't contain the much requested support for 
external ftp programs, this should make it to beta 3 though...


Kind regards Allan



From dperetti at lachoseinteractive.net  Sat Oct 30 07:51:50 2004
From: dperetti at lachoseinteractive.net (Dominique PERETTI)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:51:50 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
In-Reply-To: <9C2CC81A-29E9-11D9-A75E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
References: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<41820C27.2030602@allinthehead.com>
	<29D15238-2993-11D9-B3C1-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<9C2CC81A-29E9-11D9-A75E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
Message-ID: <8EFD721F-2A48-11D9-966D-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>

I have no problem with the way new tabs are created. I think it makes 
sense to open them next to the currently edited tab :
1) you can immediately switch back to the previous file with the 
keyboard shortcut.
2) when you open a file it's likely to be closely related to the file 
you were editing before.



From jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com  Sat Oct 30 13:37:02 2004
From: jose.campos+tm at galacsys.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Campos?=)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:37:02 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] [TextMate] smart typing pairs
Message-ID: <1gmh6zd.vz85mjj8ml1iM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>

    Hi All(an),

    Yet another smart release, v1.0.2?2 is really great, print options
match exactly what we need :)

> Added a default set of smart typing pairs, these are: ({[""""]}).

    Would you please add "?  ?"? i.e. something like
        "&laquo;&nbsp;(caret here)&nbsp;&raquo;"

    Have a nice week-end,

-- 
  Jo                                         <W:00?04'37" ; N:47?15'36">

1....'....12.....'....24.....'....36.....'....48.....'....60.....'....72


From joost at greenskin.net  Sat Oct 30 13:42:24 2004
From: joost at greenskin.net (Joost Schuttelaar)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 15:42:24 +0200
Subject: [TxMt] file/rename
Message-ID: <41839A40.1050704@greenskin.net>

It would be sweet to have a way to rename the currently opened file in 
the File menu: "Rename".

-- 

Joost Schuttelaar



From cforde at telus.net  Sat Oct 30 16:49:15 2004
From: cforde at telus.net (Carl Forde)
Date: Sat, 30 Oct 2004 09:49:15 -0700
Subject: [TxMt] quote matching
In-Reply-To: <20041030075219.560AB10EC@one.textdrive.com>
References: <20041030075219.560AB10EC@one.textdrive.com>
Message-ID: <4183C60B.6090803@telus.net>


> Date: Fri, 29 Oct 2004 07:58:15 -0600 (MDT)
> From: William Douglas Neumann <wdnx at unm.edu>

>>There already is a feature for this: when you move over a parens/brace/etc, 
>>the matching one lights up briefly.
> 
> Although this could be improved as well.  Right now, the hilighting only 
> occurs when you move forward over the closing member of the pair (unless 
> I'm missing a menu option somewhere), instead of either direction over 
> either opening or closing members.  BTW:  Consider this a feature request, 
> if it's not already an option, and a plea for guidance otherwise.

This feature is too "subtle" for me. I have great difficulty finding 
the matched character. I like the way S-E-E does it: a double click on 
a paren/brace/bracket selects the contents of the pair. This is very 
clear and potentially very useful if you want to relocate the text.

I *reallyyyy* like putting paired characters around selected text. 
That has become one of my favourite features. It makes writing nested 
conditionals very easy. No more counting pairs. Selecting text between 
pairs would be a nice counterpart. Hmmm, would also be useful for 
single and double quotes too....

Have fun,
Carl



From justin.french at indent.com.au  Sun Oct 31 00:43:31 2004
From: justin.french at indent.com.au (Justin French)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 11:43:31 +1100
Subject: [TxMt] quote matching
In-Reply-To: <4183C60B.6090803@telus.net>
References: <20041030075219.560AB10EC@one.textdrive.com>
	<4183C60B.6090803@telus.net>
Message-ID: <E35208F1-2AD5-11D9-91F1-000A9579CE3A@indent.com.au>

On 31/10/2004, at 3:49 AM, Carl Forde wrote:

>> There already is a feature for this: when you move over a 
>> parens/brace/etc, the matching one lights up briefly.
>> Although this could be improved as well.  Right now, the hilighting 
>> only occurs when you move forward over the closing member of the pair 
>> (unless I'm missing a menu option somewhere), instead of either 
>> direction over either opening or closing members.  BTW:  Consider 
>> this a feature request, if it's not already an option, and a plea for 
>> guidance otherwise.
>
> This feature is too "subtle" for me. I have great difficulty finding 
> the matched character. I like the way S-E-E does it: a double click on 
> a paren/brace/bracket selects the contents of the pair. This is very 
> clear and potentially very useful if you want to relocate the text.

Second this vote -- double-clicking braces to highlight the contents is 
a great feature, and sorely missed so far in TM.  Of course, the 
foldings actually alleviate  the problem, but old habbits die hard!

Justin



From hpeikemo at gmail.com  Sun Oct 31 07:22:10 2004
From: hpeikemo at gmail.com (Hans Petter Eikemo)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 08:22:10 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
In-Reply-To: <8EFD721F-2A48-11D9-966D-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>
References: <0B88E110-298A-11D9-9C38-0050E4D07838@imediatec.co.uk>
	<41820C27.2030602@allinthehead.com>
	<29D15238-2993-11D9-B3C1-000A95C0A620@hawaii.rr.com>
	<9C2CC81A-29E9-11D9-A75E-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>
	<8EFD721F-2A48-11D9-966D-000A95C3BD1A@lachoseinteractive.net>
Message-ID: <f888a190410310022d75f171@mail.gmail.com>

I like the current behavior as well. 

hp.


From wdnx at unm.edu  Sun Oct 31 17:57:35 2004
From: wdnx at unm.edu (William D.Neumann)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:57:35 -0700
Subject: [TxMt] quote matching
In-Reply-To: <4183C60B.6090803@telus.net>
References: <20041030075219.560AB10EC@one.textdrive.com>
	<4183C60B.6090803@telus.net>
Message-ID: <592563E0-2B66-11D9-8625-003065F3078C@unm.edu>

On Oct 30, 2004, at 10:49 AM, Carl Forde wrote:

> This feature is too "subtle" for me. I have great difficulty finding 
> the matched character. I like the way S-E-E does it: a double click on 
> a paren/brace/bracket selects the contents of the pair. This is very 
> clear and potentially very useful if you want to relocate the text.

Yeah, that's nice.  Also useful is iTeXMac's behavior with braces.  
Double clicking on something between two braces selects the braces and 
everything in between.

William D. Neumann

"You've got Rita Marlowe in the palm of your hand."
"Palm of my hand?  You haven't seen Rita Marlowe..."

		-- Will Success Spoil Rock Hunter?
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From jamesandrews at mac.com  Sun Oct 31 18:00:34 2004
From: jamesandrews at mac.com (James Andrews)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 10:00:34 -0800
Subject: [TxMt] Order of open files window tabs question ??
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Message-ID: <C374B24C-2B66-11D9-96BD-000D9352154E@mac.com>

Me too.

On 31 Oct 2004, at 00:22, Hans Petter Eikemo wrote:

> I like the current behavior as well.
>
> hp.
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From allan at macromates.com  Sun Oct 31 21:07:48 2004
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sun, 31 Oct 2004 22:07:48 +0100
Subject: [TxMt] Re: smart typing pairs
In-Reply-To: <1gmh6zd.vz85mjj8ml1iM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
References: <1gmh6zd.vz85mjj8ml1iM%jose.campos+tm@galacsys.com>
Message-ID: <EAEBA888-2B80-11D9-A979-00039351BBEE@macromates.com>

On 30. Oct 2004, at 15:37, Jos? Campos wrote:

>> Added a default set of smart typing pairs, these are: ({[""""]}).
>
>     Would you please add "?  ?"? i.e. something like
>         "&laquo;&nbsp;(caret here)&nbsp;&raquo;"

Maybe I'm doing it wrong, but I'm almost certain that we use them in 
reverse here in Denmark, e.g. someone said: ?something...?.

If you need them badly, the default set of pairs is read from the 
preferences under the OakTextViewDefaultSmartTypingPairs key. But I'm 
having a preferences window planned for beta 4 or beta 5.


Kind regards Allan