From blalor at bravo5.org  Sat Aug  6 14:41:16 2005
From: blalor at bravo5.org (Brian Lalor)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 09:41:16 -0500
Subject: [TxMt Plugins] Re: Run command on Event and other stuff
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On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:55 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:

> Currently there are no hooks for these things, but it could happen  
> through a plugin. Something which is soon to debut -- are you  
> familiar with writing Objective-C? if so, I'd suggest subscribing  
> to textmate-plugins [1] (and there should soon be the required  
> notifications by means of a plugin).

Does this mean plugins will now be implemented in ObjC instead of  
Java?  Can we use Python and PyObjC?

--
Brian Lalor / blalor at bravo5.org
     Notmeflex (nŏt mē´ flěks) n. The involuntary act of hitting  
the brakes
     when you see a cop, regardless of whether you're speeding or not.




From cryo at cyanite.org  Sat Aug  6 14:56:43 2005
From: cryo at cyanite.org (Sune Foldager)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 16:56:43 +0200
Subject: [TxMt Plugins] Re: Run command on Event and other stuff
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On 06/08/2005, at 16.41, Brian Lalor wrote:
> On Aug 5, 2005, at 3:55 AM, Allan Odgaard wrote:
>> Currently there are no hooks for these things, but it could happen  
>> through a plugin. Something which is soon to debut -- are you  
>> familiar with writing Objective-C? if so, I'd suggest subscribing  
>> to textmate-plugins [1] (and there should soon be the required  
>> notifications by means of a plugin).
>
> Does this mean plugins will now be implemented in ObjC instead of  
> Java?  Can we use Python and PyObjC?

Java? You mean JavaScript, and the html view extensions?

-- Sune.



From allan at macromates.com  Sat Aug  6 15:06:24 2005
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 17:06:24 +0200
Subject: [TxMt Plugins] Re: Run command on Event and other stuff
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On 06/08/2005, at 16.41, Brian Lalor wrote:

>> Currently there are no hooks for these things, but it could happen  
>> through a plugin. Something which is soon to debut -- are you  
>> familiar with writing Objective-C? if so, I'd suggest subscribing  
>> to textmate-plugins [1] (and there should soon be the required  
>> notifications by means of a plugin).
> Does this mean plugins will now be implemented in ObjC instead of  
> Java?  Can we use Python and PyObjC?

The plugin will be a bundle (OS bundle, not tmbundle) with a  
principal class that TM loads. AFAIK OS X allows this class to be  
written in either Java or Objective-C. In practice you could make a  
plugin that has the implementation in whatever language you want, as  
long as it's possible to bridge to the obj-c runtime.



From timshadel at gmail.com  Sat Aug  6 17:50:07 2005
From: timshadel at gmail.com (Tim Shadel)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 10:50:07 -0700
Subject: [TxMt Plugins] Re: Run command on Event and other stuff
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On 8/6/05, Allan Odgaard <allan at macromates.com> wrote:
> On 06/08/2005, at 16.41, Brian Lalor wrote:
> 
> >> Currently there are no hooks for these things, but it could happen
> >> through a plugin. Something which is soon to debut -- are you
> >> familiar with writing Objective-C? if so, I'd suggest subscribing
> >> to textmate-plugins [1] (and there should soon be the required
> >> notifications by means of a plugin).
> > Does this mean plugins will now be implemented in ObjC instead of
> > Java?  Can we use Python and PyObjC?
> 
> The plugin will be a bundle (OS bundle, not tmbundle) with a
> principal class that TM loads. AFAIK OS X allows this class to be
> written in either Java or Objective-C. In practice you could make a
> plugin that has the implementation in whatever language you want, as
> long as it's possible to bridge to the obj-c runtime.

So I'll be able to write my plugin in Java?  Any pointers to docs on
how to do this or where to start?  I know Java already, so I'd rather
not try Objective-C for a small one-off project if I can avoid it
(though I'm sure I'll want to at some point...).

Thanks,

Tim


From allan at macromates.com  Sat Aug  6 18:31:09 2005
From: allan at macromates.com (Allan Odgaard)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 20:31:09 +0200
Subject: [TxMt Plugins] Re: Run command on Event and other stuff
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On 06/08/2005, at 19.50, Tim Shadel wrote:

> So I'll be able to write my plugin in Java? [...]

I think so yes -- as for doc pointers, I'd have to find that at  
developer.apple.com myself ;)




From chris at cjack.com  Sat Aug  6 19:08:37 2005
From: chris at cjack.com (Chris Thomas)
Date: Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:08:37 -0700
Subject: [TxMt Plugins] Java (was Re: Run command on Event and other stuff)
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On Aug 6, 2005, at 10:50 AM, Tim Shadel wrote:

> So I'll be able to write my plugin in Java?

I'm dubious about it, for several reasons.

The most important one in this context is probably that the Cocoa  
Java bridge is designed for applications. Even if you can somehow  
manage to instantiate the Java VM from an Objective-C plugin, you may  
take an enormous performance hit when your plugin initializes.

I think you'll have an easier time with Ruby, Perl, F-script, or  
Python, all of which are to some degree designed to embed in pre- 
existing applications, and all of which have some form of supported  
Objective-C bridge. I don't think it would be too difficult to get  
RubyCocoa, PyObjC, or F-Script working (no idea about the Perl one --  
CamelBones?).

(Another reason is that IIRC Apple has said that the Cocoa Java  
bridge is deprecated, or at least that they have no plans to update  
it in the future.)

My 2¢,
Chris